Are the Flyers allowed to sign Tomas Hyka?
(By the way, it's pronounced hee-kuh, not high-kuh.)
PHILADELPHIA -- Tomas Hyka was never cut by the Philadelphia Flyers. After a bit of a mix-up and a "hey bro, come back!" call from Paul Holmgren while he was on his way to Gatineau, Quebec to join his junior club, he's back with the Flyers in camp, and was on the ice for tonight's preseason game against the Toronto Maple Leafs.
He scored a goal, and it was awesome. He's been damn impressive over the last two weeks, and as a young kid without a contract, it's kind of a no brainer that the Flyers should grab his rights before somebody else does.
In fact, before inviting him to camp, the Flyers were actually interested in drafting Hyka. Anthony SanFilippo has the full story over on his blog, and it really is a hilariously fascinating read. Highly recommended. In a nutshell, the Flyers took a chance by letting him go in the late rounds of this years draft, hoping he would fall and be available this summer. Here's a snippet of Ant's story:
Hyka has done nothing but impress the Flyers with his skating ability and his skill, but has really been a surprise with his puck possession skills for such a small player.
[...]
The Flyers wanted to give him a look in a game situation before deciding if they want to offer him an entry level contract, which, according to a team source, is something the Flyers are seriously considering.
After his play in Wednesday's preseason game (his goal celebration alone was enough to want to keep him around a little longer), more attention is being paid to Hyka than ever before. Unfortunately, the fact that he wasn't drafted might mean that the Flyers can't sign him to a contract right now. Nor can any other NHL team. We'll explain below.
Hyka played last season in the Czech Extraliga, and at the 2011 NHL Draft in June, he was passed on by every single NHL club including the Flyers. So he went undrafted, and a few days after the NHL Draft, he was selected by Gatineau in the CHL Import Draft.
But by letting him go through the draft, the Flyers appear to have made a vital mistake. He's not a free agent right now, and obviously, to sign a player to a contract when you don't hold the rights to that player, he has to be a free agent. Rules governing "Draft Related Unrestricted Free Agents" are outlined in Section 10.1 (d) of the CBA:
Any Player not eligible for claim in any future Entry Draft pursuant to this Agreement and not on a Club's Reserve List shall be an Unrestricted Free Agent.
That does not apply to Hyka, as he is eligible for claim in the Entry Draft next year. This is outlined in Section 8.4 of the CBA, and we're not going to quote that one. Trust us on it. Or look it up yourself. Moving on...
Further, any Player eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, but who was unclaimed, shall be an Unrestricted Free Agent subject to the provisions of Section 8.9(b).
Alright, so Hyka is a UFA depending on what's said in Section 8.9. Let's look there now.
Section 8.9 of the CBA outlines "Eligibility for Play in the League," and according to it, it doesn't look like Hyka is eligible. We'll take even smaller baby steps here because this shit is complicated.
8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he:
And now, the provisions that make a player eligible. Let's run through them one at a time.
(a) had been claimed in the last Entry Draft, or was ineligible for claim under Section 8.4;
Hyka was not claimed in the draft, nor was he ineligible for claim. 30 teams passed on him in the draft. That part doesn't apply to him. Let's keep going...
or (b) had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:
These next few parts are the ones that apply here, since Hyka was eligible and went unclaimed...
(i) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was age 20 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an [Standard Player Contract] which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the next NHL Season
Hyka didn't play in North America last season. Doesn't apply. Next...
(ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between theconclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL tryout form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing andregistering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall bethe commencement of the NHL Season).
Same thing. Didn't play in North America. So far, Hyka is ineligible to play in the NHL. Next...
(iii) had played hockey outside of North America in the prior season
Alright, here we go...
and was age 22 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and the commencement of the next NHL Season.
Hyka wasn't age 22 or older at the Draft in June. He was 18. And he's still 18.
That's the end of the section, minus a part where it defines "the prior season" as "a full season prior to the last Entry Draft." So, the entirety of last season.
Hyka played in Europe -- outside of North America -- for all of last year, and according to this part of the CBA, he's ineligible to play in the NHL this season. If he was drafted, this would obviously be a different story. But because he played in Europe last year, was passed over in the draft and isn't 22 years old, it doesn't appear to us as though an NHL team can sign him to a contract. We can't find any other section in the CBA that would counter this notion.
Until somebody can dig up that section -- I've searched for about an hour tonight and can't find it, and several of our commenters have done digging as well on this tonight -- we're going with the assumption that Hyka simply goes back into the draft next year, where the Flyers or any other team can take him.
For now, he's not Flyers property and he's not an unrestricted free agent, so the Flyers can't make him their property. And that sucks, because that was one hell of a goal celebration.
Note: This story has been edited since its original publication to include further clarification.
Tons of credit to our CBA Expert DragonGirl0583 for being a whiz on this stuff and leading the charge in trying to figure this out tonight. You rock.
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No, Travis.
It’s pronounced NOO-ka. Or, Nookie if you prefer.
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That’s not what he told us after the game.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 21, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you completely miss the joke from the game thread?
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 21, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently. :)
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 21, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you like me to explain it or would you like to discover for yourself?
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 21, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t they have the Phantoms sign him to an AHL contract and then next year he’s eligible to be signed without having to enter the draft right?
by ryanitus on Sep 22, 2011 12:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
AHL contracts are not governed by the NHL CBA, but rather by the AHL CBA. I checked the AHL CBA, and no such eligibility requirement is listed. However, signing an AHL contract might be forbidden based on the fact that a) he’s under contract to a junior team and b) the wording of both the CHL transfer agreement and the IIHF transfer agreement are not public. So it’s difficult to know whether that is possible, due to lack of documentation.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I see so it would be a possibility that he could sign with them.
by ryanitus on Sep 23, 2011 1:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now if he’s eligible to go into the draft again next year and let’s say doesn’t get taken or say he decides to forego that eligibility dies he become an UFA? Meaning he’d have played in NA this season and therefore eligible to sign an NHL conteact
by ryanitus on Sep 23, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
1) For clarity’s sake, I can’t confirm or deny AHL eligibility. But I do strongly lean toward deny.
2) Should he fall through the draft again, he’d qualify as having played in NA and slip into 8.9.b.ii
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 23, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So the main part is that since he isnt 22 he can not sign? Tyler Hostetter signed a contract at 18 years old.
I was talking with another guy from another board who knows the CBA pretty well land he claimed we could. Ill try confirming.
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Hostetter played 3 games in 2010-11, and was born January 31, 2011. So he could easily fall under (b)(ii) above.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure about this but he is Chezck and the NHL has no agreement with them on underage or undrafted players right? I think the rules are different not sure because of where he is from
But even that wouldn’t prevent him from not meeting the requirements of 8.9(b).
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, thanks for the props Travis. If we haven’t missed a loophole that allows him to be signed, I owe a big stick tap to The Dark for knowing the CBA well enough for us to double-check each other as we went through it.
Just in case people are confused about why we started with eligibility requirements, I want to add in a reference to where Section 8.9 is invoked.
Free Agency is covered in Article 10, and one type of Unrestricted Free Agent is a “Draft-related UFA”; i.e. someone who wasn’t claimed in the draft but can sign a contract afterward. That’s section 10.1(d).
(d) Draft Related Unrestricted Free Agents.So the first possibility requires Hyka to be not eligible for a future draft. That’s defined in Section 8.4:
(i) Any Player not eligible for claim in any future Entry Draft pursuant to this Agreement and not on a Club’s Reserve List shall be an Unrestricted Free Agent. Further, any Player eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, but who was unclaimed, shall be an Unrestricted Free Agent subject to the provisions of Section 8.9(b).
(ii) Each Player referred to in subsection (d)(i) above shall, during the period of his Free Agency in accordance with Section 8.9(b), if applicable, be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with such Player, without penalt y or restriction subject to the provisions of Art icle 9 of this Agreement, if applicable, and without being subject to any Right of First Refusal, Draft Choice Compensation or any other compensation or equalization obligation of any kind.
8.4 Eligibility for Claim.i is out, since he’s not the property of any NHL club, ii can’t be true since he hasn’t been eligible for two drafts let alone claimed twice, iii doesn’t work because he hasn’t played in the league before, iv doesn’t apply because he’s not 21, and v isn’t true since he’s not 22. So he’s definitely eligible for future drafts.
(a) All Players age 18 or older are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft,
except:
(i) a Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;
(ii) a Player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;
(iii) a Player who previously played in the League and became a Free Agent pursuant to this Agreement;
(iv) a Player age 21 or older who: (A) has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and (B) played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19, or 20 and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d); and
(v) a Player age 22 or older who has not been selected in a previous Entry Draft and shall be eligible to enter the League as an Unrestricted Free Agent pursuant to Article 10.1(d).
The remainder of 10.1(d) says that the play can be a free agent subject to the provisions of 8.9(b). Since Travis walked through each step of 8.9(b) in the post, we know that he doesn’t fit into any of those provisions, and so under the terms of Articles 8 and 10, he’s not eligible to sign as a draft-related UFA. Note the strategically placed “if applicable” statement in 10.1(d).(ii).
I don’t know of any other CBA section that contains a loophole that allows them to circumvent the eligibility requirements. If someone else can find one, please bring it to the discussion.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:12 AM EDT reply actions
Thanks. I edited the story to include some of this because I think it makes it all much clearer.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking there may be a loophole we don’t know about. It could be Homer thought he should return him to juniors because he couldn’t be signed, but called him back after the Flyers did some legal investigation that led them to think that he can be signed. Otherwise Homer is just wasting his time, and Hyka’s. There is no loophole that Homer won’t exploit.
But personally if he’s allowed in camp ad he’s able to tryout for the team than why wouldn’t he be able to transfer that to an NHL contract? Just doesn’t seem to make sense he can sign to compete in an NHL camp but in the end he’s done it for nothing because he can’t play in the NHL at all.
by ryanitus on Sep 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Players are invited to camp for many reasons. An invite doesn’t mean they are eligible for an NHL job alone.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Questions, now howcome he can sign an NHL tryout contract but not an NHL contract with a team, I mean it just seems if he’s not eligible to play he shouldn’t be allowed at any teams camps either.
by ryanitus on Sep 23, 2011 1:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also he’s here competing in the preseason he has now played in an official NHL preseason game in north America so if you wanted to get technical that’s what I’d say.
by ryanitus on Sep 23, 2011 1:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That stuff really isn’t important in the grand scheme of things. You don’t get paid for the preseason and it’s not that restrictive, so since he’s in the CHL system he can participate but he’s not a free agent so he’s literally not on the market.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 23, 2011 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
What DG said, but further, the rule is where he played last year. His playing a preseason game in North America this year is irrelevant for determining whether he was a free agent 3 months ago or not.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 23, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
At NHL HQ
Bettman: Hello, who’s this
Snider: This is the contract expediter for Comcast’s game contract
Bettman: Snider, is that you?
Snider: Well, yes, but I’m not acting in my role as Flyers owner. I am acting on behalf of Comcast in its role as NHL game broadcaster
Bettman: (puzzled) Um, OK. What do you want, Ed?
Snider: Well, as contract expediter, I want to point out page 338, Paragraph 32-Q of the 10 year contract we signed with the NHL.
Bettman: (flipping pages) Well, that’s an obscure page, Ed. I have no idea what’s there.
Snider: (stentorian voice): “Comcast or its agents may ask for accommodation when necessary in order to broadcast its games, including temporary waivers of other agreements, including those involving collective bargaining.”
Bettman: And, so?
Snider: Comcast has determined that in order to effectively broadcast the games, more players will have to be available to play during the games we broadcast. Especially those near our corporate headquarters, or involving teams near the headquarters.
Bettman: Say what?
Snider: I am invoking clause 32-Q. The Flyers need, uh, Comcast needs the Flyers to have 66 players available under contract in order to, uh, effectively broadcast the games in HD.
Bettman: Impossible! That’s against the CBA!
Snider: Really. Well, according to clause 32-Z, inability of the NHL to accommodate Comcast will allow Comcast to withhold payments from the NHL indefinitely.
Bettman: Are you trying to blackmail us again Ed?
Snider: No, of course not. All business.
Bettman: As I suggested. Well, 66 is out of the question.
Snider: 60
Bettman: 52
Snider: 55
Bettman: 55 it is. The Flyers can have 55 players under contract. But no more!
Snider: Comcast appreciates doing business with you Gary!
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by Bud in TN on Sep 22, 2011 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Wow. Rec’d.
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 22, 2011 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha, well it's true that we don't know the terms of that broadcast contract....
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
So if he plays in the juniors this season as no one but the CHL’s property…can we sign him BEFORE the draft? Or does he have to survive the draft and be undrafted for the 8.blahblahblahiviii249.384bAiv to apply?
Yeah, there’s dates involved, like a window of opportunity in which to sign them. We’d just have to put some kind of a priority on drafting him, maybe take him a round earlier than other teams rank him if we have a pick available.
Sadly, Mathers is Canadian so if he had fallen out of the draft there’d be no question that he’d be eligible to be a draft-related UFA if he impressed in camp.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Last year, the Sharks signed undrafted 18-year-old J.P. Anderson to an ELC off a training camp invite (http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=4094211), so I don’t see why Flyers would be prohibited from signing Hyka under the same circumstances.
He played in North America the prior year, so he was eligible under 8.9(b)(ii). Hyka played in Europe and isn’t old enough to 8.9(b)(iii). That’s why we’re trying so hard to figure it out. We signed Tyler Hostetter 2 years ago under 8.9(b)(ii) as well, so we’ve used that section previously ourselves.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Counting when they were in the organization (i.e. unsigned draft pick time counts), or only counting once they were under contract?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
This is totally off topic for this thread, but whatever; I believe the answers would be: organizational property – Bartulis; under contract – Bartulis, on roster – Coburn.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Coburn
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by Cillo stache on Sep 22, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
zherdev had an equally awesome goal out of the box just like hyka did here. and lavy never used him unless the flyers were desperate for goals. i miss you z :(
by mincxubusc66 on Sep 22, 2011 2:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What’s with the guy showing the Whalers hat after the goal?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 9:20 AM EDT reply actions
Alright I found a good example. How did the Flyers sign Sergei Bobrovsky then. At the time of the draft Bob was 21 years old and had played in the KHL. Maybe its just early, but both cases seem similar.
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From Section 8.10:
As used in this Article
[…]
and “age 22” means a Player reaching his twenty-second birthday by December 31 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft.
Bob turned 22 on September 20, 2010, meaning he was considered to be 22 years old.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
So the Flyers gave this undrafted, unsignable guy a platform on which every other NHL team can better see him for next year’s draft. And the assumption is that the front office didn’t know about this contract issue. Or hat they did and wanted to get a closer look anyway and were maybe hoping he’d score breakaway goals like that in practice when nobody else was watching?
by flyersfaninchicago on Sep 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
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