Video: Jody Shelley's suspension worthy hit on Darryl Boyce
by Travis Hughes on Sep 21, 2011 9:20 PM EDT
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It took two Philadelphia Flyers preseason games for them to find their way onto the radar of the NHL's new disciplinarian, Brendan Shanahan. Welcome to the job, buddy.
As you can see in the video above, Jody Shelley's cheap shot on Leafs forward Darryl Boyce is 120 percent suspension worthy. It's just absolutely disgusting and something we don't want to see in hockey anymore. Shelley's mother would probably agree with that assessment, too. The puck is gone, Boyce has his face to the boards, and Shelley decides to throw an elbow right into his upper back. It's impossible to defend something like that.
He was given a five minute major for fighting Jay Rosehill after the play, a five minute major for boarding and a game misconduct. There's no doubt there will be a review, and there certainly shouldn't be any doubt about a suspension either.
With a new guy sitting in the discipline chair at the NHL offices in New York, this is when we'll get to see whether or not the Wheel of Justice stop spinning.
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I know he is supposed to be a great guy and well liked in the locker room but damn there was no sense in that. I bet Shanahan lays into him with at least a 10 gamer…and it is well deserved.
Thats my rant, bet it don't make a dent
If he doesn’t throw the elbow in there and just finishes his check there would be not issue right? I am not saying it wasn’t dirty or trying to minimalize what he did just trying to figure out what is leagal.
That’s still a suspendable hit. It’s a late board.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 21, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
On a guy that doesn’t have the puck, and his face is to the glass?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 21, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No I see that one as being a bad hit. My problem that I have is that when someone (and I am not saying this particular hit was in this catagory) goes into the boards and turns before impact which is what I see all the time and it gets called constatly. At the speed these guys are playing it is diffucult to stop once you are going. When a player turns at the last minute to draw or make a penalty where it shouldn’t be. I personally think its stupid because they are taking a chance of injury but I see it all the time. Like I said I am not using this hit as an example I am just saying that I see it and it gets called so now it blurs the line.
by Mattx on Sep 21, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you are complaining about something that didn’t happen here? That’s fine, but that isn’t a relevant.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
yea hahaha I am just tired of seeing what I described I think it is cheap and the player that does it should get the penalty not the player that makes the hit.
Yeah, it’s a complaint I hear a lot. The problem is that I don’t see that happening enough to be angry at those who do it. I also am not convinced that players turn toward the boards to draw a penalty as opposed to turning towards the boards for protection.
But really, my objection is probably mostly based on my hatred of blaming the victim, any victim, of a dangerous act.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I know where you are comming from. I just see it like this: If you turn your back weather to protect or to drawl a penalty it should not matter. The player comming at you on said hit has no idea what you are going to do and should not be at fault. We see a lot of hits in slow motion and forget that its in slow motion. These guys are soooo fast its rediculous and they can’t be expected to know the what the other guy is going to do before he does it. Just my personal opinoin.
I also think for the most part whats making it a dangerous act is the person who is turning to face the boards. If he was hit shoulder to shoulder it wouldn’t be dangerous.
And I think whats making it a dangerous act is the person driving another’s face into the boards.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think your instinct would be to turn away from the thing that’s about to crush you into the boards, not toward it. I doubt they’re trying for the penalty when that happens. Just my opinion.
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instincts or not how can someone pull up at the last minute and not hit that person. Even if they are not trying to drawl a penalty why should the person get one. The guy turns at the last minute again I am not speaking of last nights hit.
Are we talking about this hit, or any hit where the guy turns at the last minute?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It wouldn’t apply to this hit, since Shanny was very clear that neither this hit or the PL3 hit had the player turn at the last minute, in both cases the player had their numbers showing for a long time.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
*couldn’t, is what I meant to say
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s where I was going with that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No, we started with talking about this hit.
You said if there was no elbow, it was fine. Geoff says it was boarding and a late hit.
You said it was just finishing a check. Geoff pointed out that the puck was gone and Boyce was facing the glass.
You said “I see that one as being a bad hit” and then launched into blaming the guy who got hit for turning at the last second. Geoff responds that that didn’t happen in this case.
You admit that but then complain anyway that guys turn at the last second trying to draw the penalty. I reply that I think it is instinct to turn away attempting to protect yourself from the hit.
You dismiss that and say whether it was instinct or not, why should the guy hitting get a penalty.
So we were talking about this particular hit, but you keep moving the goalposts after every single response.
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just to awnser this post
If you go by the time line and read the posts it VERY clearly states that I agree that this hit was illeagal. Then we moved on to a discussion about hits in general at least Geoff and I did. You came in on a conversation that had already been progressing so if you go by the time line from start to finish you will see what I am talking about.
I was responding to these comments you made:
My problem that I have is that when someone goes into the boards and turns before impact which is what I see all the time and it gets called constatly.
When a player turns at the last minute to draw or make a penalty where it shouldn’t be.
I am just tired of seeing what I described I think it is cheap and the player that does it should get the penalty not the player that makes the hit.I think it’s instinct to turn away from the hit and therefore into the boards, not trying to draw a penalty. You want to blame the guy who got hit, and I think that’s ludicrous.
But anyway, you’ve now moved the goalposts and are questioning why the player making the hit should be penalized, regardless of whether the playing being hit turned due to instinct or being “cheap.” And I’ll answer with the rule book:
41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.It’s subjective, granted, it even says it right there in the rule book. The position of the player being hit (“opponent”) is part of it. Basically, don’t be stupid and put yourself in an unusually dangerous position. But the force of the hit is the key element, that’s what the first paragraph there is about. So that is why the guy delivering the check gets a penalty. You can check someone into the boards, but there is an acceptable limit to how hard you do it. Shelley lined the guy up as he crossed the blue line. Even took a couple extra strides for speed as he’s passing the circles. If that’s not “thrown violently into the boards”, I don’t know what is. In this case, Boyce facing into the boards only made it worse.
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.
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I think it’s instinct to turn away from the hit and therefore into the boards, not trying to draw a penalty
You think its instinct has it ever happened too you or are you just going off of what you “think” you would do. I can tell you for fact by playing the game for 25 years that your instinct is to brace yourself not turn face first into the boards. If your instincts are telling you to put yourself in a more vulnarable positiion than I would start questioning them.
However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule
That is what the rule states in the last couple of sentences.
But the force of the hit is the key element, that’s what the first paragraph there is about.
So than this is your opinion on what the key element is because there is no key element. No where in the rule does it say one section is more “key” than the other.
I realize you have a crush on Geoff. But to chime in on everything I say is quite funny.
I can tell you for fact by playing the game for 25 years that your instinct is to brace yourself not turn face first into the boards.
I agree, you want to brace yourself, and probably protect your head. And I agree, face first into the boards isn’t a good idea. But I don’t think (I admit it, think, I don’t know) you’d turn to face the guy who is about to cream you either. I think the most protected stance would be sideways, with your shoulder to take the hit, but I’m not sure. But screw it, we’re talking semantics now, the point I was trying to make is you’re going to react and try to protect yourself, not react and try to draw a penalty. You said yourself that it happens so fast that the person making the hit can’t avoid it if the other guy turns into the boards, so I also have to believe it happens so fast the guy being hit isn’t thinking “gee, I can draw a penalty here if I make myself really vulnerable.”
So than this is your opinion on what the key element is because there is no key element. No where in the rule does it say one section is more "key" than the other.Bad choice of words on my part. You asked why they get penalized for making these hits, and I gave you the rule. It’s force/viloence of the hit, but the positioning of the players is also taken into consideration. That’s what it says. That’s the explanation you wanted for why guys get called for boarding penalties. Because it’s in the rule book, and the description fits the situation of what happened with Shelley’s hit on Boyce.
I realize you have a crush on Geoff. But to chime in on everything I say is quite funny.Seriously? Are we going to get childish now? I’m trying to have a conversation about rules and penalties and you head for this shit. Fantastic. I chimed in because I disagreed with something that had been said. I’ve also been known to chime in when I agree with something that has been said. It has nothing to do with you. But you’re so vain, you probably think all my comments are about you. (Sorry, that song was playing at the grocery store.)
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I admit the last paragraph was harsh I appologize. You were right in the beging of your sentences at the top. The nataural instinct is to absorb the hit sideways take it shoulder to shoulder. One thing you have to keep in mind is that these guys have been coached on what to do. If a coach thinks he can get a pp by his player turning he will tell them to do it. I am just trying to tell you it is not Instincts or normal or anything to turn your back to absorb a hit. If you think about it, it makes sense why on earth would you ever want to turn face first into the glass. You are more vaulnarable that way than any other way you could possibly turn. I would rather turn my back to the glass than my face towards it. With your face towards the glass you are expossing your Back, Ribs, Head, and Face. This is what I am trying to explain to you. I agree Shelley’s hit was dirty that was not what I was discussing later on when Geoff and I were posting. I was just giving examples and why a player would do it. I have played the game a long time there are many tricks to the trade you pick up on the way.
Right, I gotcha. Facing the glass is not smart. What got me into this whole thing was your comment that seemed to suggest that guys turn into the glass on purpose to draw the penalty, so the guy making the hit should not be penalized. And I just don’t agree with that. That’s where I was trying to go with the instinct thing and then, taking a different angle, the rulebook quote. I’m just not doing a very good job with it, it would appear. :-p
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The only reason I can see someone trying to turn face towards the boards is by protecting the puck. Either way though I just don’t see the oppossing player being able to change direction in a split second when he decides to turn face into the boards.
Anyway, what would your suggestion be for that player who is going to hit the player that turns his face into the boards. What is he in your opinion to do, what would you like to see that player do instead of checking him. Remember the speed and that the other player is turning not leaving any time for the other player to react much.
I think sometimes I get frustated because SOMETIMES people come off very dismissive when I post something. People come off sometimes as all knowing and I probably do to. Sometimes I say things because of my experiences that I have had playing the game for many years. You can learn a lot and be extremely knowledgable about the game by watching it but there are somethings that you learn by playing the game also.
bq.I think it’s instinct to turn away from the hit and therefore into the boards, not trying to draw a penalty
You think its instinct has it ever happened too you or are you just going off of what you "think" you would do. I can tell you for fact by playing the game for 25 years that your instinct is to brace yourself not turn face first into the boards. If your instincts are telling you to put yourself in a more vulnarable positiion than I would start questioning them.
bq.However, there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoid placing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule
That is what the rule states in the last couple of sentences.
bq.But the force of the hit is the key element, that’s what the first paragraph there is about.
So than this is your opinion on what the key element is because there is no key element. No where in the rule does it say one section is more "key" than the other
I realize you have a crush on Geoff. But to chime in on everything I say is quite funny.
Not to be an ass, but preview button. It took me a while to get blockquotes to cooperate. They’re very funny.
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And yes you can not have the puck and still get hit. There is an acceptable amount of time where someone moves the puck and still gets hit you are finishing your check. That has been taught since as far back as I can remember.
Yes, I’m aware of that. And while it’s probably true that the hit was within the acceptable time limit, the hit was on a defenseless player. It’s the definition of boarding, could easily be charging, and is absolutely something that needs to be removed from the game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
If he doesn't play ten games during the regular season...
…can we send him down to juniors? Forever?
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this is why he should be released NOW
he adds literally nothing to the team besides the unnecessary fighting ability
This article Is a little over dramatic, the motion of the hit was clean his elbows were low so I dont know what whoever wrote this was watching. That being said it was from behind and late and he should have gotten a game and maybe one more. But to imply that he was watching him the whole way into that end and trying to hurt him is ludacris, unless youve played at a high level you have no idea how little time you have to make a decisions and the guys job is literally to hit and fight and to see his own fans damning him for it is sad.
by Raha1 on Sep 21, 2011 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You can see him eye him up and go in for the hit when Shelley hits the hash marks.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 21, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So you’ve played at this level? He’s definitely thinking hit the whole way, but as has been discussed again and again, if you’re looking at the guys numbers you have to be able to control yourself and not hit, especially if he’ gotten rid of the puck.
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by JerseyDriver on Sep 21, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
to see his own fans damning him for it is sad
I daresay he doesn’t actually have many fans on this site. I sure as hell don’t count myself as a fan of Girlyname.
It was NOT a clean hit. It’s that simple. Shelley was looking for a way to pick a fight so he could prove his ‘worth’ to the team, so he made a dirty hit and then fought. Oh, BTW, he LOST that fight (close, but I score it a loss). And it was so obviously deliberate – the motive is there, the opportunity, and the evidence. In court, they’d call that a slam-dunk conviction.
Now, with Sestito making peanuts and Rinaldo only marginally more, we can have both of them if we just ship Shelley off to play for Lokomotiv (I hear they need players).
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by MaximumTalbot on Sep 22, 2011 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
to see his own fans damning him for it is sad
So you’re saying we should cheer for our players when they do something dangerous and stupid and blindly defend them? We can only seek punishment and for the player to take responsibility when it is someone on another team? Isn’t that a touch hypocritical? A double-standard, if you will? Not to mention he puts our team at a disadvantage while he’s off the ice for the major penalty. He’s not doing us any favors here. I’d rather have guys help put points on the scoreboard than “help” us by doing things like this.
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I dont know what whoever wrote this was watching
Two things:
1) The author’s name is at the top
2) He included the video, you can see exactly what he was watching
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by hintzy64 on Sep 22, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it bad form for me to mention at this point that players come off the cap while they’re suspended for discipline? Well, assuming he gets suspended and that it carries into the regular season.
I don’t know what Shanny will do, but this was just stupid. It was totally unnecessary, and yet to me it looks like he lined him up intentionally.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 21, 2011 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
Here's me when Shelley is in the lineup for game one of the regular season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc&NR=1
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Any chance the NHL can just throw him out of the NHL and void his contract? Because that would be great.
All kidding aside, this is the kind of crap that should not be happening in games, especially, pre season games. I hope the NHL suspends him and then the Flyers cut him or do whatever makes the most cap sense.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Would be nice if the Flyers did something about it themselves, but doubt that will happen. Great new sig btw
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by JerseyDriver on Sep 21, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The DGB chart says 5 games.
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I actually feel bad for Shelley – sure, he made a dumb decision and never should’ve done that. But the guy’s desperate to save his NHL career at this point and is doing whatever he can to show the coaches he belongs on the team. Ironically, his lack of discipline might have the opposite effect. Who thought that Shelley would end up being the undisciplined thug and Rinaldo would end up being the guy with a decent head on his shoulders?
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by TNBrando on Sep 21, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
He still counts against the cap, and the Flyers still have to pay the money, it just goes to an NHLPA fund.
I like where your head’s at, though.
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He actually comes off the cap. 50.10.(c.):
(c.) For Players that are suspended, either by a Club or by the League, the Player Salary and Bonuses that are not paid to such Players shall not count against a Club’s Upper Limit or against the Players’ Share for the duration of the suspension, but the Club must have Payroll Room for such Player’s Player Salary and Bonuses in order for such Player to be able to return to Play for the Club.If you hit up CapGeek’s archive page, you can see Shelley & Briere’s actual cap cost was reduced by their suspensions.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Did we think otherwise early last year, or am I remembering wrong?
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned it for certain in December of 2010, and numerous times since. I think I may have said it even earlier than that.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
110% Unncessary
We don’t need that type of reputation and Shelley is proving to be more trouble than he’s worth. Dumb, dumb hit and at this point I’m hoping he’s gone by the time the season starts…
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So, assuming Shelley gets a suspension at this point in the preseason. Does he make the team? If so, who do we want to take his spot?
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As a Flyers fan, you’re hoping that Rosehill clocks Shelley good in that fight.
The whole time I was thinking “come on man, give him a good one on the chin!”
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