Thursday Morning Fly By: I Like How Much Bryz Reminds Me of Boosh
by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 6:01 AM EDT
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Recaps on back-to-back mornings! [BSH] [Daily News] [Inquirer] [Philly Sports Daily] [Flyers Faithful] [delcotimes.com]
- Big shoutout to DragonGirl for doing the work to allow Travis to educate us all on why Tomas Hyka probably cannot be signed by the Flyers: [BSH]
- Speaking of Hyka, Anthony SanFilippo spoke to a Flyers official anonymously who gave some excellent, some hilarious, and some infuriating comments regarding everyone's new favorite undrafted invite: [In The Room]
- Ilya Bryzgalov heard some boos last night: [CSNPhilly]
- Sean Couturier signed an entry-level deal for a remarkably cheap $1.375 million including bonuses: [CSNPhilly] [Frequent Flyers] [Philly Sports Daily] [NHL Hot Stove]
- Ed Barkowitz wrote: "The Flyers could opt to send [Couturier] to the Phantoms, but they would be wasting the first year of his deal since he could not be recalled to the parent club until Drummondville's season is over in the spring." Glad to see such a big paper get such an important fact wrong: [Daily News]
- Season preview: [Puck Daddy]
- Comparing the changes of this past off-season to those made in 1984: [NHL Hot Stove]
- Remembering Glen Metropolit: [Flyers Faithful]
- And Dave Schultz, even though CSNPhilly spelled his name wrong in the headline and URL: [CSNPhilly]
- Frank Seravalli on video discussing those fighting to make the cut: [Frequent Flyers]
- The Islanders named Mark Streit their captain: [Lighthouse Hockey] [Puck Daddy]
- R.J. Umberger signed a five year, $23 million extension with the Blue Jackets: [The Cannon] [Puck Daddy]
- No, seriously: Chris Osgood was not clutch. His story makes a great narrative - the guy was well worth respect and appreciation - but he was not clutch: [Brodeur is a Fraud]
- If you like immature things, hockey, and sexual imagery in video games, this clip from NHL 12 is just for you: [Deadspin]
- Brent Severyn - former Avalanche enforcer - wrote a column about his life in the NHL: [SI.com]
- A really good look - both positive and negative - at Tomas Vokoun and the Washington Capitals: [Hockey Prospectus]
- Ugh, as if the story couldn't get sadder, Lokomotiv's Captain was secretly donating to a children's charity: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Have an idea for how to analyze the best way a team could be constructed under the salary cap in terms of Fenwick and goaltending? Please share: [Driving Play]
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Is it good to compare a 9 year, 51 million contract guy to someone on a 2 year, under one million contract? I mean… couldn’t we just keep Boosh? And the money? And an unrestricted contract that will choke the life out of our team and ruin everything?!
Oh no I’m panicking again…
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
I think Geoff meant the way they look. They wear exactly the same pads and have the same number. The only easy way to tell the difference is by the helmet and stick (Boosh used a Swagger).
Mourning Gagne forever.
I noticed it to actually… the pads and the helmet look similar to Boosh’s old fighter pilot helmet from a distance. They really do look similar.
But, uh… Boosh wore #33… Bryz wears #30.
Right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
the number really is inconsequential here. The similarity is in their playstyles
But hey, maybe I’m just killing jokes this morning
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
gonna have to try a lot more harder than that…
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot harder*
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot more harder to achieve what result? Nuclear meltdown? The Inquisition? 2012 Apocalypse?
I was just pointing out that you killing jokes this morning would not be the first time you’ve done so :)
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Nobody expects the Inquisition.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Sep 22, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I thought the similarity was in how quick the fans were to blame him for some of the bad luck goals, like that one that was a last second deflection.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Sadly, I haven’t seen either preseason game, so I didn’t know that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Ugh – was still hoping Umberger might become a Flyer again, but the extension Umberger signs probably nixes that happening anytime in the next five years. He may be just a Blue Jacket, but he’s a filthy-rich Blue Jacket now.
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
Well, they already took a long contract with Carter…maybe trade Bryz in a few years when Bob becomes the stud of the league.
you mean right now? After seeing their last two games, it is supremely obvious that Bobrovsky is our stud goalie
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That or we just start calling the blue jackets “Flyers Central.”
What with Flyers West becoming even more Flyers-like this offseason.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
by 02h32m01s on Sep 22, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
on the bright side, regardless of how the Flyers spend the money, they are seemingly a competitive team for almost every single year. If they fail to win the Cup this year, it will shut up the “we need a multi-million dollar goaltender to be the best team” and if we win, well winning is pretty damned cool
I’m not seeing negatives here, everything is coming up ThrillHo
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
I’m hoping he solidified his spot on the waiver wire after that hit last night.
Often wrong, but never in doubt.
by A Flyers Phamily on Sep 22, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea between what Shelley showed last night and Rinaldo or even Sestito the night before, I would tell Jody to start apartment hunting in Glens Falls.
by hebrew hammer on Sep 22, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
It was very bad.Do we have a counter until his contract expires?
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
maybe we can get Shelley to fake a season-ending injury and put him on LTIR. That way, the Flyers can keep Shelley’s locker room presence and get some wiggle room with his cap hit off the books for the year. Everybody hits woo hoo!
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by btowl1818 on Sep 22, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s not on the NY Giants. Not sure how well that would work.
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
by Mike B on D on Sep 22, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that he saw his numbers on the back for a good 30 feet and still decided to hit him from behind is absurd. why is he wasting a spot? would much rather have someone like Rinaldo out there or Sestito although I think Rinaldo will be the one to take his spot. such a waste of space.
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Don’t tell these guys the preseason is meaningless, especially after Claude Giroux made sure to get the puck from referee Kelly Sutherland so Hyka would have a souvenir.
This is awesome. There really isn’t a single bad thing you can say about Giroux. You see older guys doing that for kids, but rarely do you see somebody Giroux’s age having the presence of mind to make sure a kid gets that once in a lifetime trophy.
So long as that doesn’t convince FO that Giroux needs to be captain now.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Sep 22, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see why people booed Bryz
First goal he had a shot at, but Meszaros and Giroux basically let the guy walk right in and shoot from point-blank range on a pretty shooter-friendly angle. You give an NHL player that wide open of a shot from that close, and there’s a good chance it’s going in. Second goal was a knuckle-ball that got deflected, can’t to blame Bryz on that one either. Third goal was a ridiculously lucky double-deflection. Nobody makes that save because it is un-saveable, there was no chance.
So basically he didn’t let in any “bad” goals, he had a defensive breakdown and some bad luck. And this is coming from someone who would’ve rather had Bobrovsky be the starter and never have gotten Bryzgalov.
Plus, it’s preseason, chill brah.
Bullies, Phightins, and Vickerbockers
I don’t think Bryzgalov’s performance was boo-worthy, but don’t you find it just a little bit funny that our newly acquired savior let in three goals when our former goalie of the future, now pine-riding commando, got a shutout the night before?
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Oh i definitely acknowledge the hilarity of the situation, and I will probably still feel that what we had in Bobrovsky as a starter was good enough to make us a Cup-contender, especially given the huge contract we gave Bryz, but obviously there’s no way you can call Bryz a failure because he had bad luck in his first preseason game, on a new team, in a new conference, etc, etc.
Shit happens, i’m gonna wait a while before I start crucifying Bryz/Holmgren/Snider
#TeamBob
Bullies, Phightins, and Vickerbockers
people boo bryz because as knowledgeable about the game as hockey as they are, they are nothing more than subjective simpletons who can’t analyze situations objectively
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. The people who will never get over the Richards/Carter trades enough to be excited about the new dynamic of the team are the same people who will jump all over Bryz for every goal he allows all year. Bryz ranks probably between the 6th-10th best goalies in the league, he’s not perfect though, and the whiny people who expect him to get a shutout every game are going to annoy us all year. Tis the nature of our fair city/
Bullies, Phightins, and Vickerbockers
I think people need to realize the crowd typically boo’s any time the away team scores in every city. Also, Philadelphia has never had any problem booing goalies. I wouldn’t associate any of these boo’s to Richards/Carter trades or really anything else as they are the norm here, Bryz will be no different.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
there’s definitely different boos. You have the generic disgust boo, and then the disdainful boo, where things get personal. I prefer the second boo, it’s much more intimate
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha obviously, but both have existed pre Bryz, these are not Bryz specific boo’s. You know me though, I’m all about intimacy.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
Well yeah but my point is that, regardless of the context of booing, there are going to be a lot of idiots who bitch every time Bryz lets in a goal because they don’t realize that he’s human and some goals aren’t gonna be his fault, which is irrational and annoying.
Bullies, Phightins, and Vickerbockers
So you mean it’s the exact same thing it has always been?
I mean I get the complaint, I have it too, but I’ve had it for a while now since it’s always happened with every goaltender that I’ve been alive to watch. If anything, at least now I can justify the bitching because they overspent the market on this one and paid a huge premium on only a small difference of wins (even though that’s probably not their thought process).
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
OT
Don, you’re a beer guy, ever had Breckenridge Vanilla Porter? Or where I might find it?
I'm kind of a dick.
No I have not, though I do have a Breck Brewery shirt that my future in laws got me. By you, your best bet is Shangy’s, they’ll order anything. Also, Spinnerstown might be able to order it for you (John and Hal are pretty reasonable guys). But Shangy’s definitely should at least order it for you, I’d call there first.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
Actually I just checked their site, and they list their distributors. Stockertown Beverage has it apparently, or at least carries it. That’s about 20 minutes from you.
And if you want substitute suggestions, let me know.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
Wait a minute, Bryz is human? I thought Homer assured us he was gonna be an Ivan Drago-like machine, bred specifically for the task of goaltending. I feel duped…
Sarauj, Latvija!
in due time. I wouldn’t be surprised if when winter comes around, you don’t see a mock montage featuring bryz around philadelphia…
pretty cool idea actually
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
But the worst case would be if we found out that in Russia, his family pronounced his name “Broozgaloff”. Then we would have a new “Raul” problem in terms of interpretation.
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
Michael Leighton, if I ever watch him play again, will get the disdainful boo. I treasure that day
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Fortune City is a mean ol bitch.
Nicotine, Valium, Vicodin, Marijuana, Ecstasy and Alcohol
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Here’s something refreshing: The Flyers have 2(!) candidates to win the Calder Trophy this year!
(Spoiler Alert: Sean Couturier is ranked #10 and Brayden Schenn is #4. Colorado’s Gabriel Landeskog is #1.)
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions
Bear in mind that if either wins it we likely have to pay a bonus that counts against the cap/cap overage.
Bonus’ start the year against the cap and don’t go away till they can’t be met.
Thus if they win the Calder it doesn’t hurt us at all because we were paying for a Calder bonus all year anyway.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
how was everyone’s day so far?
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Giving up isn't an option
Long and slow, and Thursdays are my Fridays and I have a lot to do tomorrow, so just waiting for the day to be done.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
agreed, plus its a block day so this class feels extra slow.
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Giving up isn't an option
by Cillo stache on Sep 22, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with long and slow. I have no interest in working today. I have much more interest in going home and drinking and/or gaming. But I will probably do neither, since I have 3 weeks of school work to catch up on due to being forced to switch classes yesterday…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
So things are working out? You were able to switch things around? Good to hear that. Hearing about what was going on I found it worrisome.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Yeah, I called and e-mailed enough times yesterday that they got the drop/add put through. Took a while for it to propagate through the system, but I can get to all the materials for the new class now. I’ve got 3 lectures (~2 hours each) to watch and two homework assignments to do to get caught up, but at least I’m back on track for graduation.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
by hintzy64 on Sep 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d because thats awesome.
Just keep telling yourself that six hours of catchup is way better than multiple years of minimum wage slave-jobs.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Have an Oktoberfest beer for me. I always look forward to when they are available in the fall.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
On Umberger's extension
According to capgeek, Umberger did NOT get much of a raise from a “salary” perspective. His salary was $4.5 in 2010-11. It goes up to $5M in 2011-12, but then back down to $4.5 for the next four years.
Relatively speaking, that’s a fairly team-friendly contract at his age, even if the Flyers could not afford it per se.
As I’ve posted, I have serious doubts about Columbus’ new ownership structure. But maybe they will start not being quite-so-terrible. Alternatively, maybe they’ll take some more of the Flyers contracts! (unless Snider is going to make that phone call to Bettman. ;-)).
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
On Couturier, from his point of view
“Wowee, I’m 18 years old, I can’t legally even drink yet in the US and I make over a million a year! Should I buy a Porsche or a Tesla? I could buy my mom a house! Mancave, here we come!”
FYI, for some reason, he doesn’t show up on capgeek yet. Is it not “official”?
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
They’ll get it up there when they have the info from Seravalli, I’m sure. But even though I emailed them, they didn’t delet Lehtivuori yet.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So what if he can’t drink in the US yet? He’s going back to Drummondville, and he can drink there…
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap! All this time spent w/ the Hyka discussion this morning, I just realized I still haven’t come up with a name for my fantasy hockey team yet.
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The Drexel Demon’s
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I was trying to come up with a funny play on the CBA, but I was hoping to come up with something more interesting that “The Loopholes” or “The Contradictions”. I planned to figure it out today but I’m running out of time
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Seattle (Sub)(Paragraph) Seals
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Me neither. Feeling very uncreative
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 22, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Off all subjects; but Alexandre Giroux is on the Blue Jackets now?
Did Carter demand to be on a team with at least 1 Giroux?
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
If he did, he certainly got the short end of the stick and ended up with the one who is more or less a career AHL guy.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Check this out:
Puck Daddy is reporting a potentially leaked Winter Classic logo. If this is it, got to say, I love it. Along with it comes a very official looking promotional trailer for the Winter Classic in Philly this year.
When I was at the “Meet the Flyers” taping in Voorhees on Sunday, Peter Luukko joked about how the 2012 Winter Classic has been one of the worst kept secrets and if this logo is in fact the official one chosen by the league, it is amazing how all this information keeps getting leaked.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 22, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap, a puck is ringing the bell! That’s so cool.
Let's go eat...a triceratops. /velociraptor'd
by LeepinLizardz on Sep 22, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm…. It seems Don’s favorite, St. Cloud St, is a bit lacking in integrity.
http://www.westerncollegehockeyblog.com/2011/9/21/2439876/western-michigan-st-cloud-to-join-nchc
Tonight’s game just got a little less exciting for me…
@NHLFlyersThat’s the first time I’ve seen that confirmed, at least.
Michael Leighton will start in net tonight for the #Flyers… See the entire line up right here: bit.ly/qdgTJp
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Was just coming to share the same thing. What do you think, more or less goals against than Bryz? :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I also can’t find anything saying this game is televised
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Update: The game notes on the website say that there will be a stream on the Flyers website.
Philadelphiaflyers.com will feature a video webcast of the three other non-televised preseason games – tonight’s, tomorrow at Detroit and Oct. 1 at New Jersey. Additionally, all seven preseason games will be aired on the radio on 610 WIP.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
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