Tomas Hyka can't be signed, will return to juniors and enter 2012 Draft
by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:02 AM EDT
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Tomas Hyka will be sent to back to his junior club in Gatineau today after the Philadelphia Flyers learned that they cannot sign him to an entry-level contract, despite saying they were interested in doing so less than 24 hours ago.
As we outlined last night, the CBA prevents NHL clubs from signing undrafted European players who are under 22 years of age. He'll re-enter the NHL Entry Draft in 2012, where the Flyers or any other team can take him. If by some chance he were to be overlooked in the draft again next year, he could be signed as a free agent in the summer because he'll have played the 2011-12 season in North America.
We reached out to Barry Hanrahan and the Flyers late last night for comment on our story. We haven't heard back from the assistant GM, but he did go ahead and tell Tim Panaccio of CSN this morning that Hyka can't be signed, confirming our report. So there's that.
This was a brutal mistake by the Flyers. We're not going along with the assumption that they knew this was the case all along, either. A team source told Anthony SanFillippo of the Delco Times yesterday that they were looking to sign Hyka, and now all of the sudden they can't? Until we're led to believe otherwise, what other conclusion can we draw but that the Flyers didn't know this wrinkle in the CBA?
In the grand scheme of things, missing out on an undrafted 18 year old isn't the end of the world. But what makes it absolutely infuriating (besides the fact that they didn't understand the details of the CBA again) is that the Flyers knew Hyka was on the board in the seventh round of the 2011 draft, they thought about drafting him, and then decided to take big goon Derek Mathers instead.
In SanFilippo's story yesterday, the Flyers source he quoted made a comparison between Hyka and Claude Giroux. Whether that's fair or not, the comparison was made by somebody in the organization. And they chose a pair of fists over that. How does this make any sense?
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Well what do you know?
Homer’s math still sucks.
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 22, 2011 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I shutter to think how good your team would actually be if management wasn’t incompetent.
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I guess I can stop work on compiling a list of all undrafted current NHL players to search for precedent…. (yes, I was really just doing that).
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
If not for you and The Dark in the game thread last night, I guarantee the Flyers would be trying to sign Hyka right now and he’d still be in camp. It’s literally unbelievable.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Somebody from the NHL would have told them eventually. Do we honestly believe that it was our story that made people notice? Because in my research i found references to it in other places; like an article on Hockey’s Future from 2006 that blatantly stated that that clause would change the way European players were drafted.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly believe it, yep. I don’t think they had a clue. Nobody in the press box had a clue last night either.
They told ASF yesterday that they wanted to sign Hyka. They passed on him in the draft because they liked Mathers and thought they could get Hyka this summer anyway.
Why else would he have been here in the first place? It doesn’t make sense that they would put him in an NHL preseason game and give 29 other teams a chance to look at him at that level for him just to go back into the draft.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, at least you guys get some credit for my hard work, right?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
So now we end up bent over and drafting him in the 3rd round so we don’t “miss him again” instead of taking him this year in the 7th?
If he plays well in the Q I don’t see him dropping to a 7th rounder.
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I’m less concerned about Hyka specifically and more concerned about the repeated mistakes the FO seems to make with certain things.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
by DLJr on Sep 22, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, me too. I don’t even really care about Hyka. It’s about reading comprehension at this point.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s stuff like this and then also their inability to predict the market/timing with signings/trades. Those seem to be the two negative themes with this FO. There are also positives, but let’s just stick to the negatives because I’m in a shitty mood anyway.
You sir are a gentleman of four outs!
If it was just the draft it would be forgivable… the whole “we’ll pick him up at training camp, we are on the clock to make a decision in the next 2 minutes”
Missing it until now is bad though.
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Not really. CSN hasn’t mentioned us once.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re (we’re?) getting some on Twitter; although some people are having to dance around a little bit and avoid admitting that they didn’t understand this yesterday.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, awesome blog folks are giving us credit. CSN’s just acting as the spokesman for the team, basically.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Every time it turns out DG knows the CBA better than people who’s actual job it is that they get actually paid for to know, I want to smash my head against the wall a little bit.
by ohnickels on Sep 22, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
She should be the Flyers official NHL CBA person.
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re not kidding.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
They just need to hire a competent contracts person, which DG is anyway. It’s inexcusable, if the Flyers really were unaware of this, that things like this should happen.
Travis, do you know who’s job description this falls under; is it Hanrahan? If so, fire him or get him some help. Mistakes like these are embarrassing to any business.
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I’m almost positive it’s Hanrahan. I reached out to Hanrahan for comment last night, the PR guy got back to me this morning and said that he forwarded my request over. Then, three hours later, Hanrahan tells Panotch the Flyers can’t sign Hyka and he’s going back to juniors.
Unbelievable.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
As the initial part of the new “Hanrahan Must Go!” campaign, you should do an in-depth piece on him. If he’s giving Homer such blatantly bad advice it cannot be allowed to go unpunished.
I think it’s one thing to have a mostly fact-based discussion proving that they didn’t read the CBA correctly, but actually going after a team employee would likely get Travis’ credentials revoked.
For me, the real issue is that I’ve put in the hours to understand the document to the best of my ability, unpaid and on my own time, but the people who are paid to understand it haven’t put in the same amount of effort.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I would love to interview Hanrahan, though.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You might even get that someday, but I was objecting to the active “Hanrahan must go!” campaign part that he suggested. I doubt you’d get the interview if it was known that you were going to throw him under the bus.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. And I wouldn’t just try to throw him under the bus. I think there are a ton of legit questions to ask the guy.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Travis has wanted to interview him for awhile, but since I’ve jumped up and down on his head a few times in the past, I don’t see it happening.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean to suggest that Travis should spearhead such an undertaking. If need be I can be chair myself. But we need to know more about this man and his part in the management of this club, be it good or poor. As Travis says, there are a ton of legit questions. Hanrahan needs to answer them. This to me sounds like a lack of due diligence; I’ve fired people for such behavior.
I’m not a CBA expert, nor a journalist, nor a lawyer, nor a statistician. I’m just a simple businessman. I just like to think I recognize a red flag when I see one and ask a pertinent question when I do. What did Hanrahan misunderstand, and when did he misunderstand it?
You did ask, sorry I never came back around to that thread to answer it for you. I started dropping hints a couple days ago that I didn’t think it was possible, but I missed your question that day.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, no need to apologize. I still hold you in very high esteem. As I recall it was a more general musing about how and why is this kid here in the first place and made it a question for you thinking I was more likely to get a specific response about him. But as Geoff alluded to below, if the Flyers hadn’t “uncut” him very little of this would come to our attention.
Is it said that the “positive” in this statement might be “They’ve put the same time in (paid) and they are just less compitent than you.”
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It’s one thing if they don’t get the really crazy and out-there stuff, but this was only a couple of paragraphs. To me, it’s more like the snafu with Talbot’s original contract. If they’ve really put in a lot of hours, those things are fairly basic.
I don’t want to be conceited, I’m not a lawyer and I’m not smarter or more competent than anybody else. I’m just stubborn and willing to put in the effort to understand.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m lazy and only willing to put in the effort to play Devil’s Advocate in hopes you reach solid, well proven conclusions.
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The Talbot contract really pisses me off because that’s something I understand upon my first reading.
It’s not like this where it takes two people going back and forth. That was completely simple.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But I don’t think this one is all that hard, compared to some things. We’re not talking about waiver rules or anything. This is “Okay, we want to sign him, so we’ve gotta check 8.9b. i? Doesn’t fit. ii? Maybe, since he’s in NA now. iii? Not old enough. iv? Clarification, okay let’s double check (ii), oh, no it definitely can’t happen.” Not quite rocket science.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Right. It’s pretty simple to understand “player who played in Europe last year and isn’t under 22 years old can’t be signed.”
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. Yeah…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The back and forth in this case just “can we find a loophole somewhere else?”. I don’t think there was anybody who didn’t understand that signing him was prevented by the black and white wording of 8.9b; it was just a search for something elsewhere that might override it.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And there’s no excuse for those who get paid to do this not to put in that same effort (at the very least).
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And from reading the actual release info it sounds more like they did that but didn’t bother to look into his History.
It sounded very much like “Well we pulled him up from NA Juniors so just assumed he must be NHL eligible because we didn’t invite him to camp from Checklandovakia.”
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A simple check of hockeydb is too much for them.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not even a joke.
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She should be the Flyers official NHL CBA person.
You know, I think I was the first person to post this circa summer 2010. I of course was mostly joking (note, at the time, I added in TheDark and myself as her assistants/valets).
Unbelievably, this is now not a joke. At all. And while DG is terrific, it really says more about the Flyers’ management style than anything else. Hire from within. Don’t ask questions. (Hmmm…sounds corporate. Wonder why?)
Last year, I also posted that Homer’s best skill was his ability to “assemble talent”. If he had the skills now in this area when he was in management in the 1990s, he would have been awesome. On the other hand, I’ve also posted that Homer treats the cap more as a “hurdle to be overcome” rather than a “constraint to be considered in planning” (thus, my comedy post about Bettman and Snider’s phone call). The skill he has is offset by his view of the cap. Note that Stevie Y does not have this downside.
In isolation this is completely no big deal. In the big context, this is not good at all, especially thinking about 2014 and beyond.
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And really… (not to harp on it or be conspiracy theory) Working for Snider The Objectivist is it surprising that the Clubs management treats a Salary Cap as a hurdle?
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Working for Snider The Objectivist is it surprising that the Clubs management treats a Salary Cap as a hurdle?
Wow. That’s scary insightful.
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
Agreed, that’s far too accurate for my liking.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe you were the first person to say it, and if not, you were the first one to campaign for it even if it was done jokingly.
But I wish my job had a more positive spin most of the time; instead of telling you that they can’t do something, I’d much rather see them pull of a coup and be explaining how they pulled it off.
Welcome back, btw.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the whole hurdle mindset is the “problem”
If you see the cap as a problem then you are going to see it work against you.
If you see the cap as a playing field instead, it is much more likely for you to “play the game” and pull off something amazing.
Something I think is insanely overlooked is how good our scouting department is:
We have an incredibly high amount of early picks that aren’t busts, done an insane job of finding undrafted college athletes, and then there’s Bob… Who I think deserves his own category.
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Right. Isn’t that one of the general lessons of Moneyball? Find an undiscovered or misunderstood angle and exploit the (usually temporary) inefficiencies.
by flyersfaninchicago on Sep 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I will let you know after I go see it tomorrow. :-)
(but yes, the overall is discover where others are making errors and take advantage of figureing something new and unique out first. IE never settle for “common knowledge” or “old boys club” mentality)
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We are thinking in parallel again…hive mentality
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
FYI, the credit for Bob goes to Neil Little. Most of the Flyers organization had never seen him play, even on video.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Little is part of the scouting team, so still props to that team.
It seems as an entire organization we SCOUT insanely well. What with almost no draft picks and subpar prospects the ones we do draft are better than those around them and the ones we find outside of the draft are darn good finds.
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Right. Just wanted to give Neil Little credit.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, that was a miraculous diamond in the rough find. I remember you doing some scouting last preseason and then seeing a youtube video or two people found of him going post to post….
But I don’t think anyone was thinking “Here is our new starter!” going into camp… not at all.
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Yeah, definitely not.
When I went to Rookie Camp, I wanted to make it worth it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a lot of Goalie scouting, I remember it…
Wasn’t there a second Goalie in rookie camp you were high on as well last year?
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I’m guessing it was either Riopel or DeSerres; during prospect camp that year I think it was Riopel.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was Riopel. DeSerres was already let go by camp.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, remember, according to the team (after the season ended) he wasn’t really a starter. FO’d
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by JerseyDriver on Sep 22, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yesssss. About time.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
face, meet desk
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This one?
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Oh come on, I know it's here somewhere...
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I can’t believe I missed this obvious cue for it. Good catch.
No, it will be the team with the pick right AFTER ours, right after we pass him up for another goon…
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by Henry al-Sirat on Sep 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what kills me. We have Shelley who barely gets ice time during the season, and none at all in the playoffs.What is it going to take for the FO to realize that enforcers are nt the way to go anymore? People who fight? Sure, there are times when you need that. But how many contract spots are filled with guys who are only in the league because they skate too well to be a boxer?
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by Mike B on D on Sep 22, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
"We misunderstood somewhere there when we were talking to the league," assistant general manager Barry Hanrahan said. "He came up into the system as a Canadian junior hockey player – which he is.
"We can’t sign him because of [Section] 8.9 in the CBA. He played in Europe last year. It’s not where you are currently playing, it’s where you played the previous year.
"We were speaking with the league on whether he was a draft-related unrestricted free agent. Had he played in North America last year, he would have been unrestricted."
Via Panotch, unfortunately…
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by Henry al-Sirat on Sep 22, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
That almost sounds like they looked him up in some sort of NHL database and it didn’t give all the pertinent information.
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And that middle comment makes it sound exactly like they didn’t read the CBA, which seems pretty plain and simple as DG pointed out above. And last night. And every other time the FO doesn’t read it before acting.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Sep 22, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
What was Hanrahan’s job before his current position? Was he brought up through the Flyers or an outside hire? It is pretty poor to show you misunderstood something in the CBA—that which you should have complete knowledge of in order to facilitate these transactions.
Regardless, they should have just drafted him. Did they honestly think some goon wouldn’t be available after the draft, either? The organization really needs some new thinking caps, because the ones these guys use are either badly outdated or just completely broken.
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by Mitchell Green on Sep 22, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes, his career path is eerily similar to my own. I hope that if I ever get the privilege of being in his seat one day I can provide the utmost in contractual/legal competency. Although I guess we still don’t know whether this was his miscalculation or someone else in the FO? The quotes above to seem to indict him.
At least we showed 29 other teams that he should be drafted next year.
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This is so infuriating. How can people who’s job this is, be this incompetant. Reminds me an old movie quote:
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You guys are taking this pretty well. Our blog probably would have crashed.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
I bet you Burke is making an entire manilla folder marked “Details on Hyka, Screw the Flyers.”
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Obviously.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that the kid you wanted?
Yesh.
Well I’m taking him.
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
by Ubiquitous on Sep 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have the Flyer’s 3rd round pick next year from the Versteeg deal. This needs to happen.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be funny (even as a Flyers fan).
Especailly if Burke got up on the Podium and Flipped off Holmgren yelling “Thats for JVR and Schenn!”
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Point of order – 3rd round picks aren’t made at the podium.
Burke would announce it from his table and Holmgren would leap across the floor to swing wildly at Burke
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Clrkaitken is technically correct.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You know this makes me want to see it even more, right?
"I repeat we have normality." She turned her microphone off — then turned it back on, with a slight smile and continued: "Anything you still can’t cope with is therefore your own problem."
by Mike B on D on Sep 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
2012 Draft
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
I don’t doubt he’d do it.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, there might have been more revolt if we were informed of this out of the blue by the MSM like the rest of the fanbase. It softens the blow a little that I’ve spent the last couple of days dropping hints of “I’m not sure if we can sign him”. Last night we just launched the full-on investigation.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
True enough.
We had something like 900 comments when we failed to qualify a terrible player.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We had some crankiness when we let some of our unsigned draft picks walk back in June, too. Not 900 comments worth, though, so you’ve got us there.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The outrage resulting from the highly controversial Brett Lebda signing was hilarious as well.
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To make up for lost time, the Sabres signed six seasons worth of front-loaded cap skirting contracts in one week.
We’re a little volatile that way.
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you taking umbrage with my choice of adverb?!!
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re conditioned for this, I guess.
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Y U NO have comprehensive understanding of the CBA?
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by Plea From A Cat Named Felix on Sep 22, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
OH MY GOD
I googled Tomas Hyka, this is what I got. Scrambled to stop myself from bursting into laughter in a 700 student lecture class
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1687124/
Bullies, Phightins, and Vickerbockers
hahahahaha
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by Travis Hughes on Sep 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Props to the scouting department for finding him here. Justifies the cost of all those in-room hotel videos. Can you imagine the report? “Soft hands. Nice moves. A little small. Quick, but he can work on that.”
by flyersfaninchicago on Sep 22, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Gives that one nickname someone used last night a completely different light as well
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Sep 22, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of me thinks that the NHL probably wouldn’t have realized that he wasn’t a free agent either. Should have keep your mouth shut!
If the NHL didn’t notice (not likely), I’m fairly confident Gatineau would have thrown a fit. They own him if he’s not eligible to play in the NHL, and since he’s looked good, I doubt they’d let him be taken away from them illegally. Ultimately, even if we’d signed him the contract could have been nullified at any point in the future.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I have to think he was being sarcastic, but I appreciate you constantly reminding people that the QMJHL clubs have rights.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I know I’ve sounded like a broken record all week.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’m being sincere. Most people forget/don’t know these guys are owned by their Juniors clubs, who have a lot of power.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It was something I didn’t know until you told me, DG.
(and that being a Flyers fan with little to 0 prospects under 20 I never even thought to look into.)
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I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 1:00 PM EDT reply actions
Did you see DannyMcG’s imdb link? Takes it to a whole new level.
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And the fact that we nicknamed him Nookie.
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by Chemistry66 on Sep 22, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn, someone beat me to the joke by 5 minutes
G, the second coming of Foppa.
by JerseyDriver on Sep 22, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there good reason to believe the Flyers are unique or unusual in having this problem? Are all the other teams adequately staffed with competent and hard-working attorneys aware of all CBA and salary cap details and potential pitfalls therein? Didn’t Tallon do something remarkably boneheaded in Chicago that was related to the cap? What about the league? How much might slip past them?
Maybe the most important position isn’t goalie or GM or leading scorer or coach but lead counsel.
by flyersfaninchicago on Sep 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions
These are good questions to ask.
I’ll simply say that Dale Tallon’s mistake was failing to send out qualifying offers, something David Poile did as well.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t believe we are unique, but we’re certainly worse than some other teams.
The fact that I call attention to their mistakes certainly doesn’t help matters, because you guys are not only aware of the fact that they made a mistake, but also of how simple it would have been to avoid it.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Right. Without you, it would have simply been a “Flyers send Hyka back to Juniors, obscure rule prevents them from signing him.”
And everybody moves on. But that’s why we love you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Sep 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you’re the unique one. Do you need an agent? A bodyguard?
by flyersfaninchicago on Sep 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, I may be a rare breed, but I’m certainly not one of a kind on SBNation. Quisp practically ran a clinic over on JftC during Kovygate. I’m glad you guys appreciate me, though, that’s more important than anything else.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So you and your peers are the legal/contractual equivalent of hackers who are the best hire for institutions to handle their security.
by flyersfaninchicago on Sep 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
OOOH, I like this analogy!
FYI, this IS what happened in baseball! The SABR folks took over the analysis in many teams
/Brad Pitt is a poor choice for Billy Beane, fyi
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/Eric T is licking his chops right now
Hunter Pence will not guarantee a WS, but, then, neither does Carlos Beltran.
I spent days fascinated by what Quisp had to say on the CBA that week.
But then our summer last year was “boring” in comparison, wasn’t it?
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My interest mostly stemmed from his getting banned from ILWT for trolling.
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I remember the good old days when the Devils signed Kovi to a massive contract and announced it, only to have the NHL say “slow your roll” and that the deal was against the spirit of the CBA and to try again. That was fun.
Then the Flyers did it themselves with Talbot and it wasn’t as funny. Then they traded away their two best players to create cap space for someone they didn’t really and still don’t really need. Then, just to top it all off they literally just announced to the world that their entire Front Office couldn’t compete on “Are you smarter than a 5th grader.” Oh, and they still haven’t won a cup since the mid 70’s, so there’s that.
Good times.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Thanks, Debbie Downer.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
Blame the Flyers. I just pointed out the things they excel at. Not my fault they excel at redefining the word “incompetent”.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
FM and Me discussion over at TGP. Probably going to lose this one
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
man’s got talent
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
you know we luv u.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
to EREX, no one loves you CCB, ’cept yo mama.
God this day needs to end soon.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
i am very lost
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Just my day being very slow CCB, and muttering ramblings while I wait for 3:45 to be here.
My son was born in Ottawa (Go Senators!) to a Father (Go Flyers!) and a Mother (Go Canucks!) who's families root for two different hockey teams (Go Habs!)(Go Bruins!) Little Maxwell is going to have such a confusing life.
this isn’t your best work. In the words of NHL 12…you were on the ice for a goal against
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
and yet, i still have hope for a good season
I eat sentimentality for breakfast, but stats stop me dead in my tracks
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Sep 22, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
And you know what, so do I. I think a lot of that is because I am excited to see a team that is so different and a team that is young and fresh.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I was excited until they signed the goaltender. Now I feel like you EREX21. I am tired of stupid mistakes by our FO, and being on this site makes them more glaring and obvious.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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Weird
They bend rules all the time. The only good that can come from this is that people will stop thinking Ed Snyder has some kind of magical pull in the NHL. They treat the Flyers like everyone else or worse to avoid being seen as him having a pull.
My next thought is, next year does a team draft him, or do they let the Flyers take him since they showed the interest.
But really, still not giving up hope the Flyers find a way to sign him. It is the NHL after all.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
As I said above though, the rule itself is black and white on paper. No way does his team in the QMJHL let him get ripped away because they decide to let the Flyers bend that rule.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Sep 22, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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