Bob

by OrangeNblacK on Jan 11, 2012 12:48 PM EST

I know that Bob had a great first half to last season and that he slumped mightilly after that. I also know that he's had an entire off season to work on his conditioning and to get ready for the long haul of an NHL full season. I also know that he had 56 appearances last year and is on pace for only 32 this year---hopefully keeping him fresh for longer. What else do I know? I know that Semyon Varlamov was traded from Washington to Colorado for a first and a second---and the first will most likely be a lottery pick. Why is this relevent? Because as good as Bob played last year, he's playing better this year. What does that mean for Bryz, Bob and the future of the Flyers?

The numbers:

Player	GP	W	L	O	P%	GAA	ESS%	SHS%	SV%
Bob 10-11	54	28	13	8	0.65	2.59	0.923	0.868	0.915
Bob 11-12	16	9	3	1	0.73	2.45	0.927	0.904	0.918
Varlamov 10-11	27	11	9	5	0.54	2.23	0.93	0.892	0.924

Bob and Varlamov are both 23 from Russia and they are widley regarded as the 1 (Semyon) and 2 (Bob) goalies in their year. If Varlamov was traded for a first and second, where does that put Bob's value? Comparing last years Bob to last years Varlamov, Semyon was far and away the better goalie. Bob won more (P% was .11 better) but also gave up almost .4 goals more per game had a ESS% .07 less than Varlamov. Since then, Bob has bounced back and has started off better than expected. He's winning more (.08 P% increase---now .19 better than Varlamov of last year), giving up fewer goals (.14 G/g decrease, now just .22 worst than Varlamov's last season), increased his ESS% (By only .04, but he cut the .07 gap from Varlamov to Bob10-11 in half), greatly improved his PKS% (.36 increase from last year, .12 better than Varlamov's last season, and has seen his overall S% increase from .915 to .918.

This post is not attempting to say "trade Bob", it's asking the question of 'What is Bob's trade value." If Bob can keep up his solid play for the rest of the year, he's worth no less than an early 2nd pick. If he improves as the year goes on, his value could be even more. What would it cost to give up Bob?

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the only way i trade bob is to a basement team

columbus would be the logical answer sinc ethey have the goalie issues. anaheim has hiller carolina has ward calgary has kippy…what i would love to see is we trade bob to columbus we get the lottery pick one of nail mikail or murray then have bob hate columbus and come back here when his contract is up….

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by reaper1221 on Jan 11, 2012 4:17 PM EST reply actions

This would be awesome. But Scott Howson would be fired immediately.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions

well he should have been fired already soooo…..

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by reaper1221 on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions

Considering Varlys history of injuries and the fact that he never really proved much of anything i think bob could bring in something similar to what Washington got from Colorado. Bobs potential alone would bring in a first rounder even a lottery pick.

by FLYERS_ALL_DAY on Jan 11, 2012 6:40 PM EST reply actions

Colorado was widely panned for that trade, and JS Giguere is outplaying his so far this year.

In otherwords, the Varlamov trade is the exception, not the rule.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions

Lottery pick?

What is a lottery pick? I have not heard of them before.

by midwestflyers on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions

its a top three pick for the 3 worst teams and a few more that is chosen at random

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by reaper1221 on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions

So is it how they got JVR, because they were the worst team in the east when an eastern conference team won the cup, causing Chicago to get the first pick with Kane because they were the worst team in the west?

by midwestflyers on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions

Yeah, it’s how they got JVR. The reason the Flyers picked 2nd and not 1st is because they lost the lottery, not because of any East/West designation.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions

Ok got it. Thanks for the help

by midwestflyers on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions

we should trade bryz and his crappy contract

and roll with bob. he’s much more consistent and this is only his second year, so he’s got a much higher ceiling. i love bob

by mt6112a on Jan 12, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions

if you know of any teams that want him and he wants to go to plz plz plz let me know, ill hire a private investigator to find out where holmgren lives and what his personal phone number is so we can relay this information. then you will be voted person of the next decade

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by reaper1221 on Jan 12, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions

hahahaha

there's got to be some GM dumb enough to take that contract. maybe a team like the panthers with a real low salary cap hit that's looking to just make the salary floor next season?

by mt6112a on Jan 12, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions

A team like the Panthers have a low team salary cap because they can’t afford to pay players $26.5 million over four years to backup Jakub Markstrom.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 13, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions

also

he doesn’t have a no-trade clause, does he? if not, it wouldn’t matter much where he wants to go. After all, the universe is pretty humangas. I’m sure he can find somewhere he likes

by mt6112a on Jan 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions

Bryz got a NMC

by Anders Jensen on Jan 13, 2012 6:13 AM EST up reply actions

ay carumba…. could we hijack the situation and say look, you’re going to be a backup if you stay here, or we can move you and be a starter?

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by goldomatic on Jan 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions

they could..but whos gonna take him unless he plays better and then why move him if he plays to his potential

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by reaper1221 on Jan 14, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions

I would move him even if he plays to his potential. Geoff proved that unless Bob’s play dips dramatically having an elite goaltender over Bob/Boosh doesn’t make much of a difference – definitely not a 4 million dollar difference (you could get a reliable second pairing defenseman in that)

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions

ok so say bob starts playing tim thomas numbers like .930 and a 1.97gaa every season till hes a ufa…..do we try to get out of bryz contract or do we still move bob?

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by reaper1221 on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions