Matt Walker gone again, Erik Gustafsson called up to Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Jan 11, 2012 2:10 PM EST
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Matt Walker cleared waivers over the weekend, and now, he's back where he belongs.
He's a member of the Adirondack Phantoms yet again, and you know what? With the Phantoms, Walker is a huge piece. They've had a lot of struggles down there since Paul Holmgren rode in on horseback and pillaged the entire village, taking away a number of contributing pieces, especially on defense. But getting Walker back, and hopefully getting the injured Oskars Bartulis back at some point (there's no timetable for him yet) will help a great deal.
They have a solid team this year and could be dangerous in the playoffs, and that's good for the entire organization.
But let's not pretend that's more important here (sorry, AHL friends). We've talked about how awful Andreas Lilja has been on the blueline for the Flyers since returning from his injury, and the hope is that Erik Gustafsson returning to the lineup will help in that regard.
You can't imagine that the Flyers are calling up Gus to have him sit in the press box, and we'll have to assume that responsibility falls on Lilja. I suppose it could also fall on rookie Marc-Andre Bourdon, but he's been generally very solid alongside Matt Carle. With as poorly as Lilja has played lately, he deserves to sit, and he likely will.
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Matt Walker cleared waivers over the weekend, and now, he’s back where he belongs.
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What a great name for the Flyers’ fifth line of Shelley, Walker and Betts
by tinmansstory on Jan 11, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t that Travis behind the microphone there at the end?
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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
According to this article from the Latvian press, the previously undisclosed injury that Bartulis suffered was a wrist injury which occurred during practice. It required a minor surgery, and Oskars is recuperating and hopes to be able to rejoin the Phantoms sometime later this month.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Another point of interest. Bartulis notes in the article that 2 other NHL teams have expressed interest in him. So, even if he’s healthy, putting him back through re-entry waivers may result in him getting snatched up by another team.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Bourdon better not see the press box. The kid is really finding his game and even though he isn’t perfect his mistakes have been made as part of his learning curve. I can accept it. Lilja is just basically done, unlike O’Donnell who used his experience and wits to overcome his diminished skills, Lilja seems to be lost. I was really expecting different, not more but different. The FO has to see he is just not getting it done, right?
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This is normally the part where I ask to hear my three favorite words.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
You guessed correctly!
This could have gone the other way if the dude could use his head and experience instead of what isn’t left of his skills
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Oooh, sorry. The answer is “Geoff was right”. “Geoff was right”.
Moving on.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny how often guesses based on Corsi and Corsi Rel QoC prove to be more accurate than guesses based on career games played or ring count.
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by Eric T. on Jan 11, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You guys were apparently correct with your predictions. I really thought he would fill the role odonnell left.
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by MJDII on Jan 11, 2012 4:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I really thought he would fill the role odonnell left.
That’s the thing: he is filling that role.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
But Odonnell wasn’t making those kind of mistakes and looking that bad doing it. Odonnell was a savvy vet compared to Lilja so far. And trust me I have been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But his decision making is horrible.
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For what it’s worth, Lilja wasn’t horrible before his injury. He wasn’t any better than the rookies, but he was fine. I’m still holding out hope that after a little rest he’ll return to fine.
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And now would be the time to give it to him if Gustaffason is ready to go. I know we have nothing to barter but they need to make a legit defenseman move for no other reason then Kimmo is going to be baked by March.
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A) What Eric said. Lilja was playing well before his injury. Or, better than the rookies at least.
B) No matter how Lilja looks compared to O`Donnell, the role and the results are the same:
Lilja: 6th in TOI, 6th in CorsiRelQoC, 6th in G+A1/60, 6th in CorsiRel, 6th in OZ%, 4th in OZFin%
SOD: 6th in TOI, 6th in CorsiRelQoC, 6th in G+A1/60, 6th in CorsiRel, 6th in OZ%, 5th in OZFin%
And if you cared about the numbers that give rise to those rankings, both Lilja and SOD are far and away last in competition, CorsiRel, and TOI.
Same role, same results. Your eyes tell you Lilja is worse, yet he’s almost a clone of SOD (only difference being SOD stayed healthy).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t remember odonnell making as bad as decisions. Basic shit like turnovers and not knowing the appropriate timing on reversing the puck and when to step up at the blue line.
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The memory is the first to go when you get old, M. That’s why we have numbers :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is where I get testy. Those numbers don’t actually state mishaps and bad decisions. I just don’t see the correlation. Just because a goaltender doesn’t move the play along why should the skaters suffer bad defensive zone face off percentages. O’donnell wasn’t this bad IMO.
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I just don’t see the correlation.
Here are his teammates’ Corsi’s with and without him last year:
Bartulis: with 39.4%, without 51.6%
Coburn: with 41.9%, without 50.3%
Versteeg: with 47.1%, without 48.3%
Betts: with 38.2%, without 42.2%
Carcillo: with 49.3%, without 42.5%
Nodl: with 45.8%, without 50.6%
Carter: with 46.5%, without 53.1%
Richards: with: 47.0%, without 50.5%
Hartnell: with 45.0%, without 50.9%
Pronger: with 38.3%, without 50.8%
van Riemsdyk: with 48.0%, without 50.8%
Leino: with 44.9%, without 51.2%
Carle: with 45.3%, without 50.8%
Syvret: with 50.0%, without 61.8%
Gustafsson: with 50.0%, without 55.2%
Giroux: with 48.1%, without 55.2%
Powe: with 43.1%, without 46.7%
Meszaros: with 47.5%, without 53.0%
Timonen: with 40.0%, without 50.4%
Shelley: with 38.9%, without 44.2%
Wellwood: with 44.4%, without 51.1%
Briere: with 45.8%, without 50.6%
Zherdev: with 52.0%, without 57.4%
The numbers say that he faced weak competition, and those weak opponents tended to carry the play when he was on the ice. It’s possible that this is because his teammates played poorly whenever he was on the ice and that he was blameless. But man, that would be one hell of an unlucky coincidence if all of those players got so much worse whenever O’Donnell stepped on the ice. I think it’s a much safer bet that O’Donnell just wasn’t very good.
Those numbers don’t actually state mishaps and bad decisions.
This is true. They don’t say whether the problem was a mishap, a bad decision, slow skating, poor positioning, or just general ineptitude. What they do say is that O’Donnell was doing something really really wrong.
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by Eric T. on Jan 11, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I should point out that he had a negative Corsi Rel each of the prior three years as well. So it’s not just the ‘10-11 Flyers who all played worse whenever O’Donnell was on the ice; the ’09-10 Kings did too, and the ’08-09 Kings, and the ’07-08 Ducks.
Man, that guy is unlucky.
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We always use these numbers to point out who is doing poorly. I have never seen them show someone who is doing well.
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I have never seen them show someone who is doing well.
Really?
How about this? Or this? Or this?
I think your memory fails you again.
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So now Pronger sucks?
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Huh? No, thanks for bringing him up. He’s another one who we’ve written about how the numbers point him out as someone who’s great.
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Carle was an all star without Pronger, right??
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Carle is an All-Star with Pronger and without, yes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
But the first article was showing how Pronger was bringing down Carle.
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Carle did very slightly better without Pronger than with him — 50.4% and 50.9% are pretty similar Corsi’s. The results aren’t compelling enough to say that Pronger was dragging Carle down (and I don’t think that’s what Geoff was trying to say in that article); they merely say that Pronger certainly wasn’t carrying Carle.
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they merely say that Pronger certainly wasn’t carrying Carle
…which needed to be said because everyone was hating on Carle then and the biggest claim by the haters was that he was no good without Pronger. So Geoff used the stats to study the validity of that very claim and found that it was not true. Shocker.
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Or for an extreme example, how about Zherdev? The stats guys were always much higher on him than the rest of the world.
And Zherdev isn’t just outperforming his peers this year; he’s been doing it his whole career. Over the last four years, he’s 17th league-wide among players with 200+ games in Balanced Corsi and 18th in Balanced Corsi Rel. What an enigma.
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I’m confused as hell now. It’s not that you start in the defensive zone that makes you suck it’s who got you there?
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Hm. You do indeed sound confused.
Starting in the defensive zone doesn’t mean you suck. It means your coach puts you in tough situations, which provides some context for your results — we shouldn’t expect you to do quite as well if you’re facing tough situations as if you’re getting easy ones.
Zone starts and competition are context. Corsi and points are results.
I’m happy to explain it again, but I walked through it in pretty good detail in this article. Take a look and let me know if you’re still confused about how/when/why we use the context stats and the results stats.
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So what makes you suck, ending your shift in your own zone, right? If you are starting your shift in the d zone you are trusted by the coach so you are good.
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If you are starting your shift in the d zone you are trusted by the coach so you are good.
As I say in the article that I linked you to, I rarely come to a conclusion about a player just based on his usage.
If he were getting the absolute toughest shifts, it would probably be safe to say he’s a strong defender who his coach seeks to put in defensive spots. But his more moderate usage could mean he’s a good defender, it could mean he’s a mediocre defender who’s even worse on offense, or it could just mean he’s a mediocre defender on a team of terrible defenders. All I really know is that when I look at his results, I’ll need to keep in mind that he was taking on tougher-than-average situations.
So what makes you suck, ending your shift in your own zone, right?
As I say in the article I linked you to, the number one question about a player’s results is whether the team controlled the play when he was on the ice.
Controlling the play is often measured by Corsi, which compares how many shot attempts each team got; since shot attempts come from puck possession in the offensive zone, this correlates closely with zone time and puck possession.
And as I say in the article I linked you to, I might sometimes use zone finishes as a double-check on Corsi, but most of the time Corsi is fine. Zone finishes are a secondary consideration.
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Bending without breaking doesn’t count for much I guess. Wouldn’t a team playing a defensive trap and not pressuring the puck in their offensive zone and doing a lot of backing up have a bad corsi?
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Bending without breaking doesn’t count for much I guess.
This gets us back to shot quality, the argument that a team might permit more shots but keep them to less dangerous locations. Many people have tried to find evidence for this, but nobody has ever been able to.
Wouldn’t a team playing a defensive trap and not pressuring the puck in their offensive zone and doing a lot of backing up have a bad corsi?
Not unless they played the system poorly. Letting the opponent go from their defensive zone to the neutral zone easily doesn’t affect your Corsi; it’s how easily they get to your offensive zone that matters. And a good trap is just as effective as a good forecheck at keeping the puck from getting into your zone.
Or more empirically: last year, Tampa had the third best Fenwick (which is like Corsi) when the score was close (removing score effects). New Jersey was sixth.
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Is there something meaningful in the fact that Carcillo was considerably better with him than without and is the only player listed for whom that is true?
These numbers don’t necessarily change the narrative that O’Donnell was better in the first half of the season. It’s just that he was less bad then, rather than good.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 11, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha, when I posted it, I said to myself “how long until I get a Carcillo comment?” Though I was expecting more of a sarcastic “so that’s why Chicago took both of them.”
There could be something meaningful in it, but I think it’s more likely related to the team’s efforts not to put the third pairing out together with the fourth line. I’d guess that when Carcillo got a lot more ice time with O’Donnell when he was on Richards’ line than when he was on Shelley’s.
Of course, it could also just be random luck. The WOWY samples aren’t all that large, and it’s not surprising that one out of 30 guys came up positive even when the tendency is strongly negative.
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When SOD was on the ice, he slowed down Carcillo so he wasn’t able to do anything stupid.
/Making up conclusions from stats as if this was an academic article
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Those numbers don’t actually state mishaps and bad decisions.
No, they don’t. What they do state is:
- How much he played
- How good were those he played against
- How much offense did he contribute
- How much more time his team spent in the offensive zone with him on the ice
- How did his coach deploy him
- How often did he leave the ice with his team getting an offensive zone faceoff
So O`Donnell played the least minutes, against the worst players of the other team, contributed the least on offense, because his team couldn’t get the puck out of the defensive zone, and couldn’t give his team an offensive zone faceoff to start again.
It’s not “mishaps and bad decisions”, it’s “inability to keep control of the puck and push play forwards”.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
And the team was so successful for the first two thirds of the season when SOD was filling in for Pronger but stunk the last third when he ran out of gas.
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You don’t see the correlation of O`Donnell making 95.6% of his teammates worse when they have to play with him to O`Donnell playing poorly, but you do see a correlation between the Flyers getting worse when ODonnell making the Flyers suck in the last third of the season when he had to play more, and that’s supposed to support your argument?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
He was cooked in the last third. HE SUCKED. They over used him. And they needed him because there was still no Pronger rescuing the team. I am merely stating that when he had gas in the tank for most of the season he appeared to me as a worthy NHL defenseman. Apparently not by your numbers. That is why its confusing the team was in first place for the better part of the year until they and SOD ran out of gas. It would be interesting to show everyone on the teams numbers the way you show SOD. I am sure there are ten others that brought down their teammates as well.
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That is why its confusing the team was in first place for the better part of the year until they and SOD ran out of gas.
One possibility is that the #6 defenseman getting tired dragged the whole team down. Another possibility is that the HOF #1 defenseman getting hurt is what dragged them down.
We have direct evidence that the team got dramatically worse immediately upon the known date of Pronger’s injury, that it happened earlier in the season when he was out previously, and even that it happened again this year.
Doesn’t that seem like a more likely explanation than putative fatigue in the #6 defenseman, who was also by far the worst defenseman in the first half of the year?
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It would be interesting to show everyone on the teams numbers the way you show SOD.
Yes, and that’s why I did that. Here’s the article about the defensemen, and here’s one about the forwards.
This is basically what Corsi Rel measures, by the way — how much better (or worse) the team was with that player on the ice than off it. The only players with worse Corsi Rel than O’Donnell last year were Shelley and Betts — and we tend to let Betts off the hook because he started in his own end more than anyone else in the league and had to play with Shelley.
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Oh, what happened to the old days when you looked at points and +\- to tell you all you needed to know.
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Someone decided just because you were on the ice for a goal, you weren’t good, and just because the other team scored when you were on the ice you weren’t bad, and started trying to find a different way to measure your value.
We had this discussion last night with a guy who started posting here lately, and someone brought up the fact that the year Gretzky scored 130 pts he was a 25 (or so). That should tell you all you need to know about +/ and why it could be misleading.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no idea what that strike thru was about, wasn’t there while I was typing.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
Your not aloud to say anything bad about Gretzky. Hockey gods.
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Actually just went thru and checked, and it’s not that drastic, but he did have two seasons where he scored 130+ pts and was only +15. So the point still stands.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
See that says to me Gretzky didn’t play much defense, not a shocker. And that was the era of no defense anyway.
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Right you are, but you would figure guys scoring that many goals he would have to be a huge + and not so much.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
No not really, it says you were on the ice for a lot more goals against then you should have been. It’s not a misleading stat really. It’s very simple. You helped give up a goal or helped in adding a goal.
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But you may or may not have, that’s the point. If you chip the puck in, two guys battle down low and come away with the puck and score it, how do you deserve a + ? On the other hand, you hop over the boards as the play is entering the neutral, a guy goes down the far boards and shoots for a goal, how do you deserve a – ?
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not about deserving its just a fact you were on the ice and in the end are you on the positive end. How is it fair your Corsi sucks cause you jump over he boards as the other teams hits your defensive zone and gets 3 shots as you are merely getting to your assignment.?
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Balances out because over a year there are a TON more shots than goals.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
One instance where “a TON more” is not hyperbole.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Haha, isn’t the number per team usually around 2,000? Diddn’t think of that.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Back of the envelope math:
Usually it’s around 4,800 shots – for and against – per year.
Add in blocked shots and missed shots (for Corsi), you’re up to ~8,800 to ~9,200 Corsi events per year. Compare to ~500 goals per year.
Average player is on the ice for ~18 minutes a game, assume Corsi events and goals happen exactly as frequently, and you get a player with 2,700 Corsi events per year and 150 goals per year, and you’re at 1.275 tons more.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
And that’s also why a lot of the stats guys wish they had data for that time period, because as you say he didn’t play D alot, so the numbers would reflect that. Corsi and whatnot.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Are 18 points and 15th on the team in +/- something to write home about?
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In 40 games it is probably on the better side of average. everyone can’t average a point per game.
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Those are O’Donnell’s numbers from last year. He played in 81 games.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
It’s average. Is 66 points and 13th in +/- any better in the end?
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Yes, 66 points is quite a lot better than 18. Now you’re just pulling stuff out of your orifices. Eric got you, just admit it. Even if you use points and +/- instead of shiny, new, advanced stats, O’Donnell still sucked.
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Listen Beemer boy. Having 66 points is better but only being in the middle of the team in +\- is not. That’s what I’m getting at
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by MJDII on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
M, your positions just aren’t consistent.
Above, you argued that you don’t like Corsi because players are being credited and blamed for events they may have had no part in. Now you are saying you prefer +/-, for which this is even more true (both because it relies heavily on the success or failure of the goaltender and because there are far fewer goals than shots, so random successes and failures by other players are much less likely to even out in +/-.)
I suspect that deep down, the only reason you trust +/- and distrust Corsi is because +/- has been around longer and you’re used to it. But that doesn’t make it better — and if it were better, the people who spend so much time looking for the best ways to assess talent wouldn’t argue so uniformly and vehemently against it.
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I also like it because it’s simpler and I am lazy. I guess my stats phobia is the definitive nature of the analysis. Bad corsi he sucks. I am exaggerating a little of course.
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by MJDII on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As opposed to bad +/-, he sucks?
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Well, it’s not definitive. No one stat is definitive since you need context. It’s why we never just post Corsi alone, but add in relative to teammates, zone starts, quality of competition, and others.
You aren’t doing that with plus/minus though, so your critique of Corsi, like Eric said, is illogical.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I also like it because it’s simpler and I am lazy.
Unless I’ve greatly misunderstood something, Corsi is just +/- based on shots instead of goals. So it is exactly as easy to calculate. This is a bad excuse.
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To all 3 of you....
I don’t make definitive assumptions on any stats. Which may be short sighted on my part. I make them on what I see and the current situations. What I meant by the definitive thing was without seeing Lilja play for this team, with how it was constructed on paper in September, based on advanced stats I got a whole days worth of ass whooping that he was a waste and sucked. Now apparently after watching him play for half of the season he has not dazzled, you guys were right. It could have been different and there is no way of telling before he played that anyone knew for sure he was going to struggle. Stats pointed to the possibility, but no one ever knows for sure.
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I make them on what I see and the current situations.
But how much of Lilja did you see in his 52 games with Anaheim last year? Were you really relying on the eye test in saying you thought he’d be good, or were you relying on “hell, he’s been around a long time, he’s won a Cup, he must be OK.”?
Yeah, nobody ever knows for sure how someone will do, but I don’t understand the rationale at all behind trusting the eye test over stats on a guy you haven’t seen play.
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by Eric T. on Jan 12, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anaheim stunk last year and their defense is a mess. Thats just it, I only mean watching him here, with our team.
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That’s Eric’s whole point:
I don’t understand the rationale at all behind trusting the eye test over stats on a guy you haven’t seen play.
You dismiss stats for the eye test, but you never saw him.
Instead of using the information obtained from people who actually watched the game (NHL scorers) you dismissed the analysis of those stats in favor of your prejudices toward veterans.
We were talking about Lilja, you were talking about old guys who won a Stanley Cup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I dismissed the stats because as a optimistic fan I think to myself, hey maybe coming to a contender like in his days with Detroit the guy might really turn his shit around. You can never gauge human nature. And the old guy with a ring thing is my belief that experience like that is really immeasurable on how it rubs off on other players and motivates a guy to put all he’s got on the line. Teams like to have a guy around like him for no other reason then when shit gets tough they can look at him and he can say I have been there and it can happen.
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You asked if 66 points and 13th in +/- is better than 18 points and 15th in +/- and the answer is obviously yes.
But aside from that, you said 18 points was “probably average” for 40 games. Yet that total was actually for 81 games. And then you STILL said it was average. They can’t both be average. So you’re just bullshitting at this point.
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Wait are you calling bullshit on me? I actually had no idea of who he was originally talking about or which season we talking about. At first I was thinking Lilja so I figured he meant at the midway point.
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Which is how we all know you are biased. You assumed he meant Lilja at the halfway point, so you answered average.
Upon being told it was O`Donnell for a full season worth, you still think it’s average.
Hintzy is saying they can’t both be average since you are doubling the timeframe and keeping the same point level.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
The +/- was more of my position not the stats and it averages out over the whole season. And being 15th out of 30 on the team was average. Still in the positive which a lot of guys were not so not the worst.
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- Corsi is plus/minus, using shots instead of goals. Same thing.
- Would you say a guy’s bad luck averages out over 100 shifts on the ice? Wouldn’t you rather use 100 games with 20 shifts each? Of course you would. Put another way: Would you draft a guy based on seeing him play 5 games, or would you feel more comfortable drafting a guy after seeing him play 50 games? The whole point of using Corsi is that there are more events, which means things average out quicker. You think luck averages out over the course of a season, but how many times do you chalk up seasons as “career year” or “off year”? You know it’s not true that those things average out over a season, so why are you opposed to something that is better at smoothing out those outliers?
- What hockey team do you know that has 30 players on it? NHL rosters are maxed at 23, with two of them being goalies. 15th out of 18 skaters is not even close to average.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
There were 30 players who suited up for the Flyers last year over the course of the year.
And the only reason you can give a guy an off year is if things outside of hockey or freak injury issues take place. For all we knew Lilja has been going through a nasty divorce and had a bad year.
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Let’s move this from the abstract to the concrete.
15 guys played at least 60 games, and O’Donnell was 13th among that group.
That’s not average.
Had Pronger (7 in 50 games) and Zherdev (5 in 56) played 82, they would probably have finished ahead of O’Donnell’s +8 as well.
Basically, the only regulars he beat were Betts, Powe, and Shelley.
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15 guys played at least 60 games, and O’Donnell was 13th among that group.
That’s not average.
Well technically it could be the average, but those 14th and 15th players would have to be ridiculous outliers…
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I actually had no idea of who he was originally talking about or which season we talking about. At first I was thinking Lilja so I figured he meant at the midway point.
I just want to point out as politely as possible that it wasn’t my fault you didn’t know what I was talking about.
The thread went:
- You said you thought we were being too harsh on O’Donnell and that you wanted to see his numbers compared to the rest of the team.
- I said he was worse than everyone but Shelley and Betts in Corsi.
- You said what happened to the days of points and +/-
- I said his points and +/- weren’t so great either
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Absolutely not your fault Eric. That thread took more turns then Passyunk Avenue.
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You guys missed an opportunity to compromise here (of course, that would prevent arguing, which might have been the goal).
I agree that SOD was awful in the last half. If that was true, it’s possible that his Corsi dropped through the floor in the last few months. What would be interesting here is to compare Corsis from the beginning of the year to the last half of the year.
If M is right, then the Corsi would be higher in the beginning, before he was cooked. That would mean that he was just old and they overused him early, as opposed to Lilja, who just stinks at any time
/suppressing instinct to again rant about how I thought the Lilja signing was stupid from the start
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Sean O`Donnell Games 1-41:
45.2 Shot%, 44.7% Fenwick, 45.1% Corsi
Sean O`Donnell Games 41-82:
47.0 Shot%, 46.5% Fenwick, 46.5% Corsi
M is wrong. Again.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
You do realize you switched those links, meaning that he WAS worse in the second half, right?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Balls. No, I didn’t. Egg on face. That’s what I get for being cocky. But that’s why you always cite? Maybe? Yeah. I’ll go with that.
It’s worth pointing out, however, that the team was drastically worse in the second half than the first half, too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
I went to sleep. So I wasn’t totally wrong again.
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by MJDII on Jan 12, 2012 7:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lilja and Gustafsson
Wonder what it would take to get Hal Gill out of Montreal… he can still clear the crease and would instantly upgrade the PK.
and out Tug of War team in Avalon next summer. Dude’s a redwood on skates.
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blasphemy...
curse yourself for mentioning Gll… that hit he had on Lindros… I hope gil would spontaneously combust if he were to be a flyer…
I love how Lindros was a malcontent for questioning a group of “medical professionals” that okayed him to play while he was vomiting on the bench and sent him back to his hotel room with a collapsed lung. What a whiner!
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Yeah, we never want the Flyers to sign anyone once hated
/Why is the number 68 sticking in my mind?
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Ulf Samuelsson.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Apropos of nothing else
A girl just waled into Drexel’s library wearing a black Capitals jersey with this logo on the front:
Ah, ye olde pre-Ovie alternate!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
...
Ovie did wear that jersey briefly when he first joined the Caps, but I’m sure most of the bandwagon fans don’t know anything other than the current “Rock the Red” theme.
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Yeah, it was their home alternate from 2002-2007, so it predates him but he wore it for two seasons.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
...
I should have used this pic instead. A very young looking Ovechkin, and some surfer guy in a Flyers jersey on the right.
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ah
i also go to drexel, i’m sure i’ll see it around
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by coheedandtbs on Jan 11, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
OT but rediculous
“They said how I was a screw that didn’t fit their screwdriver. I was put on the third-line with AHL players. Wasn’t used on power plays. There’s no reason to get into all of it. But they had lost a lot of draft picks and they could trade me for some draft picks. So I was gone.”
- Florida’s Kris Versteeg on his time with the Toronto Maple Leafs.
we paid a 1st round pick for a guy toronto didnt even fucking want!!!?? jesus christ burke has a way of fleecing people
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You haven’t looked at Versteeg’s numbers this year, have you?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 11, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
“Didn’t want” doesn’t mean “isn’t good”
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i understand that
however, something you dont want i normally percieved cheaper than something you do want…for example you have a vette, you got it on a whim and decided that insetad ur turning ur life green and decide on having hoindas and priuses and all the other boring cars..no i want a vette, so i see you arent using it..instead of buying a new one i say to u listen you arent using the vette for what it was made so lemme buy it off you for 38 grand instead of buying a new one for 45k……why pay top dollar for a odd ball peice
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Because the Corvette owner knows that even though you lowball him, the Corvette is still worth more and someone will give him that much.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but not more than its worth and last year versteeg was not worth what homer offered
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Well no shit, things aren’t worth more than they’re worth, then they’d be worth more. You changed your argument.
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my argue ment versteeg was barely used and hence not a 1st rounder player
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Am I drunk?
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I had trouble following the whole Vette logic.
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Esp because Corvette’s kinda suck.
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you watch your ass
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Dude, my Dad had a classic one. It needed work every other fricken week.
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well that the fun of old cars….you want to just drive buy a new one you want to know your car buy a 68 stingray
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He had a ‘66. I don’t see the point of owning a car that’s not fun to drive.
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I adore my ‘69 BMW. It’s more reliable than my ’97 Jetta…
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So you like driving it, yes? Ultimately, that’s my point. The classic Vette was a gorgeous car. But the one my father had did not handle like it was on rails like some newer or better made sports cars. I mean it was a heavy piece of machinery. You could feel it pull on the road.
Of course, all cars are really different, much like snowflakes. One man’s experience is not the same as another’s.
One thing I will say is that my first car was a total piece of shit. Buick Regals sucked.
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well regals were never very good unless it was the old gs with the 455 and the goodies, that and the gnx…otherwise they were grampas car
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I now drive a Lexus RX, which is a total grandpa car, but it handles well. I did NOT want a minivan under any circumstances. This was the compromise.
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I love driving it. It wasn’t clear at all, but my example was meant to agree with you. I still own it because I love to drive it. :-)
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For me, the basic necessities of a car are to be easy to drive, reliable, have a decent sound system and be relatively safe. And NO stick under any circumstances. I don’t really like driving so I need as few distractions as possible.
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ahh well see then a vette was never ur taste to begin with…ur a eco car kinda person maybe luxo-speed..but not hot rod
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I like hot rods; I just like a smooth ride. I’d prefer to ride in one with someone else driving.
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Preferable some rich, hot guy. Maybe he plays hockey; maybe not. I don’t really care.
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i hear giroux has a nice car
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He’s a little young for me, but I wouldn’t object.
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well..he a voracek look similar and i think f2lyers8 has dibs…sorry
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I love driving stick. [shrugs]
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Nothing wrong with that; it’s just not for me. Too many idiots on the road and it’s one less thing for me to worry about.
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Also, TWSS.
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DoubleH, really, seriously, you had to dress the cat in a christmas outfit. Poor cat.
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My son did it. Plus, she looks adorbs with the pissed off look on her face.
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How did he even get it on her? I cant even get my cats to sit for 5 seconds.
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She’s an amenable cat.
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Come on there had t be Zanex involved.
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Nope. Ragdolls are great cats. They take a lot of shit. Good with kids. He lugs her around like a piece of luggage. Just some minor scratches when she really has had enough. She’s teaching him.
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I have a brother and sister domestic short hairs and they are a tumbling circus act but definitely no costumes
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god i love that style looks like all skinny looking and retro
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Sorry, gotta show off...
That’s my baby. :-)
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My wife and I bought our first BMW. Nothing humungous big just a 128 convertible for fun. But we both really enjoy it. Personally I like the CTS for total package and comfort. But we are thinking 5 series sedan now, we’ll see.
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honestly id wait…cts is gonna be getting an upgrade soon and ur gonna save alot of money on it over the 5 series
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We rarely exchange for the same car so the poor CTS is a goner.
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2 bad….ur gonna have way high maintenance bills on that 5 series
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We had an s series Jaguar. Nothing can top that fuckin mess!
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oh yeah man..stay away from jags and land rovers..pretty much most english cars
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Fucking telling me. The money we wasted. They say a boat is a whole in the water to throw your money into, well a jag is a whole in the asphalt.
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Personally, I prefer the smaller ones. 7 series isn’t a sports car anymore, it’s luxury. Even the 5 series nowadays is pushing it. (As opposed to the late 80s 535is and M5, which were fucking badass.) So I’d go for a 1 or 3, but that’s just my personal taste.
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We are keeping the 1 for the long road it purchased not leased. But she likes the car so much when the lease is up on the CTS she is looking to 3 or 5 for the sedan.
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Gotcha, makes sense. I’d love to replace my Jetta with another BMW. Doesn’t even have to be brand new. But I don’t have the leverage to win that argument with the wifey. I think I’ll even lose manual vs automatic. So I keep the Jetta running. :-p
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oh try to get an 850csi with the 12 cylinder
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ooh
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lookem up on youtube…in fact i think jeremy clarkson did a review hold on
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EyG9JRSMaI
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I saw three at the show where I took that pic I posted. And I’ve driven one once. They’re amazing.
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I personally drive an F-150 Lariat so this is all on her. I love my truck.
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I drove a stick for many years but finally relented and my current car is a 6 speed automatic. I must say that I’ve been pleasantly surprised. Automatics are way better than they used to be. Shifting is smooth and seamless, but I do miss rowing the gears at times.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Yeah, I’d miss it. I miss it when I drive my wife’s Corolla. I keep reaching for the clutch or the shifter.
The one time I’d prefer an automatic is when I’m stuck in traffic. And I’d be afraid to drive an automatic in the snow, I wouldn’t know how to control it. Engine braking is my friend.
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thats fuckin bangin man u do anything to it or go for historic
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It had a complete rotisserie restoration, but things were almost entirely replaced with stock parts. Exceptions being things like electronic ignition instead of points, upgraded safety belts, bigger cooling fan, etc. Minor stuff.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Very nice. Is that a 1600 or a 2002?
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I have always liked vintage BMWs. Growing up, the 2002 was very popular, so I always smile when I see one (although it’s quite rare these days). My favorite vintage BMW is probably the 3.0 CS.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
they really are nice..id love to take a 60s bmw and swap an 90s m3 engine in
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bah! what’s wrong with the engine it’s got!
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(and the 80s M3 engine will fit, the 90s one is probably too big)
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they said you couldnt fit a ls2 into a pontiac fiero….
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I took my driver’s exam on a 1986 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
there ya go..cept i loves the late 70’s bodystyle..even if it was slow
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Yeah, but that car was fucking FAST. I took the serpentine at 40 mph. My proctor was nervous, I think.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
My second car was a 1996 Grand Am SE.
My first? 1987 Plymouth Reliant K, baby!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
1988 Corolla FX was my first
1997 Celica convertible (still my car now)
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 11, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Haven’t you always wanted a K-car? A nice Reliant automobile.
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But not a real K-car, that’s cruel.
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
That line goes with “fur coat” and “green dress”, not “K car”.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah, but it’s still funny.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
hh gets me.
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And she's welcome to you!
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 12, 2012 3:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
My first car was a1983 Chrysler Laser. 4 Cyl Turbo HAHAHA
I got a Civic hatchback for graduation in 87.
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My second (and current) is a Subaru Impreza (baseline NA model, don’t need turbo with my lead foot).
First car? A POS Hyundai Elantra, back when Hyundai was more like Kia.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
you had a 66 stingray and didnt find it fun?!
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Fun to look at, not fun to drive.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Whoa, slow your role. That’s doubleh, not some hood rat!
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lol it was a joke i see it typed here all the type
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Vette’s are not my thing but they are classic muscle cars and the new ones are now going for high end european sports car prices.
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Maybe the new ones run nicer but the classic cars didn’t handle particularly well.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
well you had leaf spring suspension and bias ply tires……nothing like slaming through gears in a pushrod v8 sucking down a gallon a gas every 4 miles
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Hence why I love my 4-wheel independent suspension, macpherson strut, radial tire, overhead cam, inline 4, 30+ mpg (even higher if you had the 5-speed) ’69 BMW. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
what model?
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I’d still know the Corvette is a good car and still worth money, like Jeff said. Even if I wasn’t using it, chances are I wouldn’t sell it for cheap unless I had emergency circumstances.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
bu you wouldnt get top dollar for it …holmgren paid for a z06 and got a base coupe
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Again, now you’re changing your argument. You were saying someone would make you try to lowball you because you weren’t using it, and now you’ve gone to homer overpaying. Make up your mind.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
oh sorry thought i said both…….i see it sorta like bob..the more he plays the more hes worth..so if versteeg was getting 18 mins a night id have paid a 1st but if he was getting 3rd line minutes i wouldnt have
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Well Bryz has been playing a lot more than Bob, so he must be worth his contract!
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
special circumstance was he was never worth that contract and i would never have signed him to that…..so your saying we could get a 1st for bob now? or if he plays the way hes playing and we show him more often we will get that
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I’m sorry, why are people assuming the logical decision will be made with this team?
I fully expect Lijia to on the ice next game.
Its all about the []_[]
#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Jan 11, 2012 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is a good question.
I’d like to follow that up with: Why do people think Erik Gustafsson is so great?
If I could answer my own question, I’d say “people hate Mike Green, but not the Mike Green on their own team.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
You were right!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
They aren’t playing Gus I assume? I still believe that most of the day to day management of an NHL franchise doesn’t take the stats thing into consideration so I would think the team isn’t looking at Lilja as a bad player on stats. But you know Lavy et al are grinding their teeth watching him play, because a turnover is a turnover.
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I agree entirely. We know Lavy looks at scoring chances – he said as much on camera and in print – but he cares less about the individuals’ stats than the team stats. Obviously, since he has to coach the team.
Actually, M, I think this is a great analogy for our differences. You watch the game like a coach. I watch the game like a GM. Paul Holmgren needs to be the player evaluator and judge Matt Walker’s contribution to the team individually. Peter Laviolette only does that based on in-game observations. Holmgren has to think beyond the next shift, or the next game.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are right Geoff. I played the game competitively from the age of 8 through college. I coached Bantam and Midget traveling hockey for 4 years. I really have a different perspective of things. And self admittedly believe people who played the game aren’t always the right people to manage the business of a team. That said I still don’t give Holmgren that much credit or responsibility. There are people, a lot of people, telling him everything he acts on. He admittedly said he had no idea what a player Walker was, but whoever said pull the trigger on that deal should have been tarred and feathered on Pattison Avenue in Public.
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A) I remember when you argued with me saying no way Holmgren never say Walker play. He was lying.
B) The guy who said pull the trigger on that deal was Steve Yzerman. Homer was backed into a corner due to the cap.
C) I’m not giving Holmgren that much credit, I’m simply saying someone in his position – whether it be Ray Shero or Scott Howson or Dean Lombardi should view the game as an objective evaluator of individuals, while listening to your coach on how he wants the individuals to fit together.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Seeing him play and objectively knowing his game, strengths and weaknesses is what the scouts are for. And he really got bullied by Yzerman without someone on the scouting staff saying something?
ANd C, this is where you and I are in complete agreement about ex penalty record holders who got punched in the face too many times should be managing a billion dollar spots franchise.
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Did you just suggest scouts are objective? Do you understand what “objective” means?
It’s not necessarily true that Holmgren got bullied without talking to his scouts, but it’s completely plausible since the quote you are referring to said “no one” has seen Walker play, not “I haven’t”.
Regardless, Holmgren easily could have bypassed his scouting staff entirely since that move was made for purely financial reasons. He had to get rid of Gagne, Gagne said Tampa or waivers, Yzerman said Walker and a 4th or nothing, Holmgren asks Hanrahan about the cap hit and says “fuck it, we have to lose salary.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
That is exactly how I see the conversation as well, but not bullied by Yzerman. And Yzerman isn’t looking all powerful now that his 48 year old goaltender isn’t playing above the clouds.
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A) I don’t think he got bullied either. I think Yzerman took advantage of Holmgren, but I wouldn’t call it “bullied”
B) Yzerman looked great before he acquired Roloson. Yzerman looked great when he acquired Roloson. Roloson playing well was never what made Yzerman look great.
Well, I guess some people thought Roloson’s play made Yzerman look great. But they would be wrong to say Roloson’s play determines Yzerman’s greatness.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of surprised at the though process there. I agree Homer should be thinking further out, and having discussions with Lavy from time to time about specific players, or where he feels they may need to improve, but why would a coach only base his thoughts on in game observations (and watching tape, of course)? I would think the coach would want something along the lines of these stats to tell him where his players were doing well or not so well so that he could adjust accordingly.
Lavy seems to want his players to earn things, so this would help him confirm if what he is seeing is happening, if a player is just getting unlucky, maybe even see a usage pattern he doesn’t realize he’s doing. I guess I hope he would use every tool possible to evaluate and make decisions going forward.
Of course, after 24/7, I think he’s a good motivator, and more old school. There are good and bad things about this, and I believe you commented about how he makes every game out to be a huge game. That can be good, but I can see that getting old for certain players, who always give 100% but know that while beating the Pens in Dec is a great win, it’s not the biggest game of the year.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
why would a coach only base his thoughts on in game observations (and watching tape, of course)?
I like to think that Laviolette had a reason for sitting Zherdev other than his reclusiveness. I may be wrong, but that whole situation tells me Laviolette cares more about the attitude in the locker room, the example players set on the ice, the committment to the system, and things of that nature.
I’m sure he looks at individual evaluations, but I’m betting he would put priority over a player’s positioning and decision making in the offensive zone than the metrics which tell us approximately how much time he spent there.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 13, 2012 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Let me add: And I don’t have a problem with that because as a coach, his job is significantly different than a GM’s.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 13, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I can see that (especially the Z comment). I guess I just think the coach should be looking, let’s say mid-term whereas the GM should be looking long term. I get the feeling from your observations that maybe Lavy is looing too much in the short term, or game to game which may be ok, just as long as it doesn’t get too short term.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 14, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
I love how an analogy centered around cars turned this thread into Car Talk. Where are The Tappet Brothers?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
it's still about the Flyers
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 11, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
OT again
any1 ever been to Parc in Rittenhouse Square..anyone have any suggestions for what to order?
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Wow it’s weird times in the league when a pens caps game has absolutely no appeal nor any meaning. Hahahaha
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No, you didn't get the memo from the NHL? BIG rivalry. You must watch that game.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 11, 2012 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
That rivarly is so 2011.
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Actually I should have said its back to normal times in the league.
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Wow how confused must you be as a ref when you are doing a pens caps game? Who gets the favorable calls?
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I know it's late so I'll probably post this tomorrow
There’s some players who get negative attention here. Voracek comes to mind. But of all the criticized players here who don’t deserve it, it’s Matt Carle.
I propose we have a Matt Carle appreciation day. Because this guy is too fucking good to be included in every trade talk. We can’t afford to lose him, and we certainly can’t afford to think he’ll be easily replaceable. If I had things my way, he’d be here for at least five more years. Some people want to see him gone this offseason. Or the trade deadline.
I want to see some love for Matt Carle.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
If the Flyers ever get Matt Calvert, are you going to do this every time someone praises him? :P
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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haha, you think I plan on taking it out of my signature any time soon?
Maybe I should put Matt Carle in my signature…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Since I pretty much only get the opposing team feed for Flyers games on Center Ice, within 5 seconds of anyone noticing him on the ice, there will always be the addition of:
Hoby Baker Award winner — Matt Carle.
Ok, yes he won that award, it was nice, but jeebus, does every announcer have the same cheat sheet of notes. He has 8 years in the NHL and over 400 games played. Isn’t it about time they gave the “Hoby Baker Award” mention a rest? Funny enough that there are a number of other Hoby Baker winners in the nhl — Ryan Miller for example, but nobody every brings up the fact that he won the award. There’s a good chance that you won’t here about Matt Gilroy’s winning it or Jordan Leopold.
Get DirectTV, watch a Flyers game and play the “Hoby Baker award winner Matt Carle” drinking game and you are guaranteed at least one drink per game, and sometimes you’ll get 2.
Look at the trade we made for Carle. That’s the kind of trade we need at the deadline. Just a plain old fleecing.
Where IS that Holmgren anyway? That’s how I fell in love with him. I see hints of him right now, but the whole Bryzgalov deal and Lilja just blankets the positives. Maybe he can only make trades?
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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Steve Eminger, Steve Downie, and a 4th for Matt Carle and a 3rd is a fleecing?
Sorry, I disagree. The Flyers had just given up a 1st round pick for Eminger and a 3rd, and they could only afford Carle due to LTIR, which would run out when Briere returned, forcing them to waive Ossi Vaananen and Glen Metropolit.
It’s the perfect example of a trade that worked out for both teams, but the repercussions get lost after time. It was short-term gain after short-term gain that season, and it drove me crazy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 12, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Carle Love
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 12, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
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