Who Said JVR is Struggling?
James van Riemsdyk has been a disappointment according to many people so far this season. Even before we found out that he's been diagnosed with a concussion and out indefinitly, people were throwing JVR's name around in trade rumors like he was having a horrible season and they were ready to give up on him. I just don't understand it and I feel like we're going to have another Jeff Carter situation with people all over JVR for no reason. Lets take a look at his numbers over the past three regular seasons and two playoffs.
| Season | GP | ESTOI | QoC | ZS% | Crel | Con | G+A1 | G/G | P/G | PPTOI | PPG+A1 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2009-10 Regular | 78 | 11.15 | 3 | 58.8 | 8.10 | 0.59 | 1.31 | 0.19 | 0.45 | 1.42 | 2.71 |
| 2009-10 Playoffs | 21 | 10.87 | 4 | 69.2 | 26.70 | 12.88 | 0.79 | 0.14 | 0.29 | 0.68 | 0.00 |
| 2010-11 Regular | 75 | 12.79 | 2 | 52.6 | 0.50 | -0.44 | 1.56 | 0.28 | 0.53 | 1.31 | 2.44 |
| 2010-11 Playoffs | 11 | 14.87 | 1 | 63.4 | 19.70 | 7.61 | 1.83 | 0.64 | 0.64 | 3.65 | 2.99 |
| 2011-12 Regular | 37 | 11.73 | 1 | 63.0 | 2.50 | 3.04 | 1.52 | 0.30 | 0.59 | 2.86 | 2.83 |
2009-10 to 2010-11: The team didn't change much over these two years, but JVR's role did. He got more than a minute and a half of even strength minutes per game, faced second line competition opposed to third line competition and started in his own zone only 52.6% of the time, down 6.2% from 58.8%. Given the change in usage, even though his Corsi scores went down he improved his scoring (ESG+A1/60) by 19%, his goals per game by 47%, and his points per game by 17.7%. Other than his CorsiRel going down, his power play numbers were the only other negative. In slightly less time, JVR's PPG+A1 dropped, but only by 10%.
2010-11 to 2011-12: Expectations for the 22-year-old (yes, he's still only 22) were sky high, and lets check if he improved or has indeed taken a step backward. His usage has changed with his competition being upgraded from second-line to top-line but his Offensive Zone Start % has risen from 52.6% to 63.0%. With one change making his usage more difficult and the other making it easier I think that you could say the change in his usage has been neutral. Based on his performance in the playoffs last year and the perceived lack of top-end-talent, it was expected that JVR's TOI would increase from 12.79 in the 10-11 regular season, but it has gone down to 11.73 for a variety of reasons that we cannot be 100% certain about (Injuries more than likely are the main culprit). His Corsi Rel went up 2 and Corsi On went up 3.5---both of these numbers proove JVR's consistant ability to drive the play forward, which is impressive for a 22-year-old in his first season against top competition. Although his G+A1 has dropped slightly from last year (-2.5%), his PPTOI/60 has more-than-doubled to 2.86 and his production has improved by 15.6%. Taking both ES and PP scoring into the equation, his total goals-per-game has improved by 7.1% and his points-per-game has improved by 11.3%. Even when comparing JVR's 2010-11 "monster playoff" to this current season, the numbers aren't too far off with his G+A1 falling 17% and his points-per-game falling 10%.
Lastly, I'd like to take at this year's GVT. The stat "GVT" is used to attempt to quantify how many goals a player is worth more than a replacement level player. According to hockeyprospectus.com JVR's GVT is 4.3, ranking 174 of every player in hockey (880). He placed 115 of all forwards, meaning he's an above average 2nd liner. GVT is a counting stat, not a rate, so the 4.3 rating is added up for all 37 games he's played. The stat isn't perfect but it does a decent job of painting the picture of JVR's current body of work and it's impressive. A few notables ranking from 150-173: 158-B. Ryan, 4.6 in 39 games; 161- V. Lecavalaer, 4.6 in 40, 165-St. Louis 4.5 in 35; 171-H. Zetterberg 4.3 in 40. And some notables ranking below JVR in GVT: 182-C. Perry 4.1 in 39 (Last years league MVP); 183-M. Richards 4.1 in 34, 196-R. Nash 3.9 in 40, 198- Brandon "The Weasel" Dubinsky 3.8 in 39, and 199-N. Horton 3.8 in 38. Reemer is in some very good company with these numbers and its really hard to even argue.
Nothing in any of the above data even hints that JVR has slowed his development. People forget that he is still so young even though he's one of the longer tenured players on the team and the fourth longest tenured forward (Briere, Giroux, Hartnell). I cannot stress enough how badly I do NOT want to trade JVR. It doesn't make sense given the youth movement to trade a key piece to the puzzle for a defender. Losing JVR cripples our offensive depth, and it puts all kinds of unneeded pressure on our other developing young talent. I'm not going to ask if you are disappointed with JVR's season, I'm only going to ask how disappointed you are, and please don't hesitate to explain yourself.
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awesome post
Im with you plus doesnt he have a hip inj which requires surgery and he choose to play then sitting out the year?
I couldn’t agree with you more. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the way he’s been playing, other than maybe looking a little slow here and there – which isn’t even that big of a deal.
I think after the playoffs last year people came up with these insane expectations and thought he’d become (insert really awesome hockey player who compares to JVR here) over the summer.
by ForTheLoveOfBob on Jan 15, 2012 12:40 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
That post does put it into prospective some but JVR is on pace for 25 goals which is fine but not the 30 – 35 I and many would have expected and with the his cap hit going up to 4.5 million and a failure to meet those expectations makes trading him look attractive.
I guess it comes down to between Voracek and JVR are the most attractive to trade give Schenn and Cooter are should be considered untouchable and Read contract value for his production is huge 900K for the next two years. Both JVR and Jake are the same age 22 and both will have higher that entry level contracts next season. If I had to pick to today I would also prefer to trade Jake but I don’t he can yield anything exciting in return.
Voracek packaged for Luke Schenn ? I would consider that but does that help ??
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To be fair to Jake, he was packaged with a 1st round pick for Jeff Carter…that’s a pretty exciting return
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 16, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Great analysis. 100% agree. The problem is that people will keep bringing up JVR because he’s desired by other teams, and the Flyers will continue to field those offers. I think you also have to be realistic about the team. Lavvy has NEVER liked JVR. He has been in and out of the Lavvy doghouse ever since Lavvy got here. People may not recall his comments about not knowing why he was a healthy scratch last year. Sometimes I wonder if Lavvy has a communication issue.
Personally, I don’t understand why the Flyers need to make a dramatic move that could seriously upset the offiensive complexion of the team in order to bring in a d-man rental. That type of thinking bombed horribly last year with Versteeg, and to a lesser degree bombed the year they traded Upshall for Carcillo, even if that was a salary dump.
Imagine if we had kept the Steeg…
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 16, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
hed be getting 3rd line minutes ?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
We probably wouldn’t have signed Jagr if we kept Versteeg, but it would’ve made our team even more filled with young talent. That said, Jagr is awesome.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 16, 2012 8:55 PM EST up reply actions

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