Monday Morning Fly By: A Sad Farewell to Philly Sports Daily
by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Breaking down Ryan Ellis' hipcheck on Wayne Simmonds: [Puck Daddy]
- Talking to Peter Laviolette about the 24/7 experience: [CSNPhilly]
- Comparing James van Riemsdyk to other top-5 picks in the NHL: [Pension Plan Puppets]
- The Flyers' next opponent, the Minnesota Wild, are going to be without Mikko Koivu for a month. They did fine (4-0-7) without him last year, but since they've only won twice in the last forty-plus days, they probably will miss him: [Puck Daddy]
- The Phantoms beat Hamilton 5-4 Friday. Recap: [PostStar.com] Notes and Quotes: [Phantoms Forum]
- On Saturday, the Phantoms beat Manchester 5-3. Recap: [PostStar.com] Notes and Quotes: [Phantoms Forum]
- Ian Laperriere is helping the Phantoms out: [PostStar.com]
- Nick Luukko is done for the year with an abdominal injury: [BurlingtonFreePress]
- Niko Hovinen stopped 20 of 22 in a 3-2 win Friday and 40 of 45 in a 5-3 loss Saturday: [euroflyers]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 32 of 34 shots in a 3-2 win Friday: [euroflyers] and 23 of 26 in a 3-1 loss Saturday: [euroflyers]
- A pretty funny video asking Flyers fans trivia questions at the Alumni Game: [Backhand Shelf]
- PK Subban spit in the general direction of Michael Del Zotto, but nobody on either team knew about it: [Puck Daddy]
- Dan Carcillo is likely out for the year, as he will undergo ACL surgery: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Rick DiPietro is also likely out for the year, as he underwent sports hernia surgery: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Looking at how NHL teams performed in the playoffs after surpassing or failing to live up to expectations: [Hockey Prospectus]
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Lavy and HBO article
Had some weird bits:
"It’s completely gone from your mind. You don’t know where the cameras are at. And it does eventually just blend in to the wood work. Although they’re substantial and although they lied and said we wouldn’t notice them, we did.
I don’t get that – is it meant to be self-contradictory?
For instance, when Claude Giroux said on camera that day in Dallas that he thought he was healthy enough to play coming off a concussion but he "didn’t want to hurt the team," Laviolette was stunned and replied, "Are you kidding?"
What the HBO camera could not portray there was when Laviolette said "kidding" he meant that Giroux had been performing so well in practice, it was impossible for him to hurt the club. Why? Because if Giroux were that good in practice, imagine how good he would be in the game. That was good enough for Laviolette.
I thought the HBO camera got that point across pretty well…
But the ending was good:
"Not that I didn’t know," he replied. "I think it was an accurate portrayal of our team."
That means Giroux really is a badass. Great to hear.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 16, 2012 6:12 AM EST reply actions
Anyone know where to watch epis 3 and 4? Missed those two, and it makes me sad.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 16, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
They’re on Pirate Bay.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Jan 16, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Pirate Bay! Sounds like a great place to do lots of commerce!
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Haha. Yeah, I’m not necessarily recommending it, just saying they’re there. And it’s not doing commerce if it’s free.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Jan 16, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Um……free has multiple meanings. Rarely is anything in that context truly “free”.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Free to dowload. Piracy is piracy, obviously.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Jan 16, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
And the download contains…..
/again, not “free”
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I assume you mean malware.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Jan 16, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I won’t “rant” on this, but beyond the “moral/ethical/legal” issues (which I would not try to “push” on anyone) there are lots of reasons I don’t ever watch those sorts of links.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Fair enough.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Jan 16, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m actually quite interested in what those “reasons” are other than the “moral/ethical/legal” issues.
I don’t want to start a debate or anything, I’m just curious.
by PyropenguinX on Jan 16, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
IT Guy Chiming In
Legally-questionable websites and downloads are among the top sources for viruses and malware on computers. The other is porn. Torrents and online-streaming sites are among the worst offenders, actually. I’d stay away from them for that reason alone.
And no, macs and linux are not impervious either; I’ve had to fix plenty of those too. Less likely, but still plenty possible.
Mourning Hartnell's hair
Streaming sites are the ones that most people I know have had issues with. Torrents have always seemed to be the safer of the two IMO. Then again.. you have to know the source and where it’s coming from.
by PyropenguinX on Jan 16, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
My roommate claimed that she had gotten a virus yesterday from either Pandora and Gmail. We don’t have cable so I know for a fact she watches cable shows via streaming sites, which I blamed for the virus.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I read the JVR article earlier. It seems “That Guy” that people had a issue with earlier in the year here is making a scene in thier comments, lol. Although I see some people here have already addressed him there.
Making a scene in the comments? Weird, that’s so unlike him…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I saw you went to poke sticks between the bars at the monkey house …
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 16, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
I started reading the Lappy article and it’s awesome so far and I can’t wait to finish reading it. I think it’s a great idea by the Flyers to have a mentor for the AHL team and I hope Lappy stays as the mentor after his contract is up at the end of the season.
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The rumor mongers throughout the Internet are whipped up into a frenzy thinking the defense-thin Flyers are set to ship off bluechip prospects like JVR, Scooter and Schenn for blueliners. I doubt the team is thinking that way, though, and is only interested in adding to this team – not subtracting. As long as guys like Gleason and Beauchemin are being dangled for draft picks, I’d rather trade for them than a potential cap-breaking contract in the future.
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
I’m a little surprised there wasn’t any mention of it in the recap, but how did Gus look in the game on Saturday? Are we still in omg-panic-we-need-a-trade-NOW mode, or did the defense look okay? Of course, one game probably isn’t enough to tell…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
He played fine I can remember about two occasions where he misplayed the puck, but he is a good skater and seemed to be aware of where he is on the ice. I would keep looking at him in stead of Lilja.
i friggin told everyone he would suck
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
DISCLAIMER: Information written above may not be entirely factual nor provable with the use of complex statistics. But it may induce thought, humor and possibly laughter.
I believe Bud said last night that Gus is way, way better than Lilja. Actually, “Gus>>>>>>>>Lilja”, is what he said. Not that we didn’t all know that already, but Bud was stressing it that way.
I’m not surprised by that. How was the state of the defense in general against Nashville? Did turnovers cost us the game again, or was is the combined beast-like efforts of Rinne, Weber, and Suter holding our offense at bay?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Goals against were a power play goal, a weird deflection, an absolutely brutal turnover by Schenn, and an empty netter.
I think we lost because their defense stifled our top line and Rinne is quite a decent goaltender.
I heart our rookies.
"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"
by LeepinLizardz on Jan 16, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
See my post in the game summary. Flyers lost because Nashville played rope-a-dope and gave out mostly clean shots on Rinne, who is Parent-ish in being able to react to shots he can see. He is not so hot in slop, which ironically is exactly how Nashville scored.
Haven’t gone there, but I expect Corsi and Fenwick to be lopsidedly in favor of the Flyers
/I tell my students that every statistic (as well as every theory) has its flaws
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Pretty much my eyeball analysis as well. Flyers pushed the play, generated plenty of offense. The Nashville commentators were talking about Rinne being on top of his game, due to the number of shots he was gloving. They stated that you know when Rinne is playing well when his glove hand is going, and he was scooping up a lot of pucks and negating the momentum by freezing play.
Goalies at the top of their game make their own luck, and clearly Bryz is fighting things right now, but he continues to get burned by bad bounces and flukey goals.
Nothing says MLK like a white stone statue carved in China for hundreds of millions.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 16, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Apparently the fundraisers came up short (108 million of 120 million) and so had the piece carved in the China where I guess they saved on labor costs.
Was that amount for the whole memorial or just the sculpture?
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Still I guess if they are 12 million short it becomes “easy” to outsource it, though they should have just redesigned it to make it cheaper.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I agree and the project didn't go down without controversy as result.
As per the wikipedia page
Gilbert Young, an African American artist known for a work of art entitled He Ain’t Heavy, led a protest against the decision to hire Lei [sculptor] by launching the website King Is Ours, which demanded that an African American artist be used for the monument. Human-rights activist and arts advocate Ann Lau and American stone-carver Clint Button joined Young and national talk-show host Joe Madison in advancing the protest when the use of Chinese granite was discovered. Lau decried the human rights record of the Chinese government and asserted that the granite would be mined by workers forced to toil in unsafe and unfair conditions, unlike that used in the National World War II Memorial, for example. Button argued that the $10 million in federal money that has been authorized for the King project required it to be subject to an open bidding process.
Of particular concern
In September 2010, the foundation gave written promises that it would use local stonemasons to assemble the memorial. However, when construction began in October, it appeared that only Chinese laborers would be used. An investigator working for the Washington area local of the International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers was reportedly told that the Chinese workers did not know what they would be paid for their work on the memorial and that they expected to be paid when they returned home.
Woah, that last quote seems really wrong, but not beyond the scope of what people would do with government money. I deal with this kind of stuff every day and it definitely bums me out.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
My daughter, a high school senior, is on her way to perform at the Capitol rotunda today in an event for the holiday. It will be attended by the highest ranks of the state government including the governor, whose brand of politics we abhor ‘round here. My advice to her as she went out the door: "Don’t flip him off."
Since I’ve been away for more than a year now, I always forget how politically divided people are in PA. From what I’ve heard though the governor probably deserves a stiff middle finger.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Is that where the governor was trying to kill all the unions? I apologize in advance if I’m messing that up and grouping all midwest states together.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
idk about kill…he made them have the same negotiating rights as federal workers
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
The requirement to have each union be voted on every year and the prohibition on employers collecting dues for the unions both are more stringent than what federal employees have. It also completely eliminated collective bargaining for University of Wisconsin Hospitals and Clinics employees, as well as University of Wisconsin faculty, and any child care workers, and any home health care workers whose jobs are funded by Medicaid, whereas federal workers can negotiate discipline policies, hours of work, procedures for performance evaluations, safety, and procedures for layoffs. Other than that, you’re correct.
It also tied the maximum pay increase to the Consumer Price Index, which is a bad pegging tool, but that’s outside the scope of the main argument.
Bob.
im a big proponent of looking at prior elects when seeing what was done in real time…for the last 30 years people have been writing checks that they didnt plan to pay..it finally came to a head and things had to be cut…am i a big supporter of unions ..nope, argued with my dad last night about it…are unions important yes however there are some changes that unions need to make along with the rest of the country…and ive got to agree with the union dues part…i find it unbeliveable that even if a teacher decides he wants out of the union, he still has to pay dues to it
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Agreed, think there are good things, but have a good friend who just got a job in a state union, mechanic. He was basically told he should be doing 2 oil changes a day. In 8 hours. Seriously? That’s a problem.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 16, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
my point exactly..i can change the oil in a car in15 minutes, why do unions get paid 8 hours for a 30 day? they need more oversight into their actions and they need to rid themselves of bad workers, otherwise their protecting of the little guy throughout the years is heroic, they just seam lost from what they used to be
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
governers in the tri sate area have deserved middle fingers for the past 30 years…just look at my state with corzine and his million(s) dollar thievery
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
The main issue with all politicians is that they are beholden to those that voted them into office once they take possession of it. And when I say “those who voted them in,” I don’t mean the consituency. I mean, PACs and special interest groups who funded his/her campaign. Now they want to allow corporations to fund campaigns in whatever amount they deem appropriate without penalty. Our country is going down the toilet fast.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
And this is not specific to any political party or affiliation—across the board this is bad for government and elections.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
exactly…..i say maximum donation of 500$ per person…you then take an oath under the penalty of perjury you did not except anything more per person…that way any1 who breaks the rules is tossed
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
The Stephen Colbert/Jon Stewart take on Citizens United has been pretty illuminating as far as how easy it is to get money into campaigns, from what little I’ve followed it.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
colbert did his own superpack basically about nothing just to show how easy it was to get around the system in place
I saw the clip where he did the hand over with Jon Stewart. It was pretty hilarious to watch them talk about how what they were doing was technically not illegal.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Far simpler to say ‘no donations at all’ and then have public money fund campaigns. Far more fair as well.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Jan 16, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
I agree, but there’s no way they’d ever let this happen. Even as a child I didn’t understand why each candidate didn’t have a flat set of funds with which to work and why some were able to use more money than others.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I believe this is the case in England and Australia, and I’m sure multiple other nations in Europe. Also political advertising on TV is illegal in England, I’m pretty sure.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
well one thing i dont want is tax payer funded campaigns..already have enough useless tax payer funded things…like testing the effects of heroin on monkeys and shipping a single 8 cent washer by plane 8 states over
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
We end up paying for everything anyway. Might as well know up front.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Agreed. I know we aren’t really supposed to talk politics here, but I think that’s the case with a lot of government funded things.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
i think its arguing politics by side is whats frowned upon here and saying who is better…good convo on how to better things with out a side injected into the matter cant be that bad
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
I think in general it’s a bad idea to get onto the convo of politics, because it often leads to inflamed speech. This one didn’t because it’s so widespread.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
just because we do end up paying for it doesnt mean its right..shit the government bought something like 10 planes that they were told werent going to be used
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
When I say we end up paying for it, sometimes its in ways that can’t be measured. i.e. If you lose your job or healthcare due to new political regime, you’re paying in other ways knowwutimean.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
yeah i get you..just take a dabble through this gov waste repot so you can see monetarily how we are being screwed http://hoguenews.com/?p=4834
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Oh, I’m aware. Pork and other spending that gets attached to bills so they can pass is infuriating. Payola. And, again, this is not party specific. It happens everywhere.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
“The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.”
according to the waste report…thats alot of hungry mouths that could have been fed
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
This is not government waste; it is criminal activity. Link.
The owners of C&D Distributors in Lexington, South Carolina — twin sisters — exploited a flaw in an automated Defense Department purchasing system: bills for shipping to combat areas or U.S. bases that were labeled ``priority’’ were usually paid automatically, said Cynthia Stroot, a Pentagon investigator.
C&D and two of its officials were barred in December from receiving federal contracts. Today, a federal judge in Columbia, South Carolina, accepted the guilty plea of the company and one sister, Charlene Corley, to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to launder money, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin McDonald said.
Corley, 46, was fined $750,000. She faces a maximum prison sentence of 20 years on each count and will be sentenced soon, McDonald said in a telephone interview from Columbia. Stroot said her sibling died last year.
“The Pentagon spent $998,798” is less accurate than “a company stole $998,798 from the Pentagon”.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
And as someone who works in the defense industry, reputable companies within the field are usually fairly persistent about cutting costs. Where things get expensive are when cutting costs means cutting safety. It may save a million dollars to replace that fancy stainless steel widget with a cheaper aluminum widget, but what’s the cost of the soldiers’ lives that will be lost because aluminum breaks more easily?
Bob.
but what’s the cost of the soldiers’ lives that will be lost because aluminum breaks more easily?
I can’t answer that, but a life lost due to air pollution is worth $9.1M, a life lost due to lung cancer is worth $7.9M, and a life lost in a car accident is worth $6M.
Link.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
The EPA estimates life value highly because they are applying future discounts into calculations when justifying bills. If a life is worth $9.1 mil, but devalues at 7% every year, and the environmental regulation looks to save lives 30 years in the future…you get the picture.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
im not talking cost, im talking fraud and waste…like 75 federal agencies dedicate to clean water….75
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Err… that’s MY industry – care to enumerate? I am willing to wager that (incorrect) list includes federal agencies like USGS (which is scientific studies only), BLM (which usually only cares inasmuch as the water is clean for livestock), and many other peripheral agencies and departments. The ONLY federal agency mandated by law to regulate clean water is the EPA.
http://www.epa.gov/lawsregs/laws/cwa.html
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Jan 17, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Reading the BSH threads is a daily reminder of how much crap we take as fact because it aligns with our beliefs, whether it’s about hockey or politics or anything else. (Not singling out @reaper here, I do it too).
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
We’re all guilty at times – gotta remember that just reading it on the interweb don’t make it real.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Jan 17, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
for the amount of money going to defense
there shouldnt be flaws like that..not to mention they didnt even fine them the whole amount back
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
The conversation is changing now though.
There’s a big difference between “they spent a million dollars on a washer!” and “the procurement software should be more robust.”
In fact, I would guess that if a substantial fraction of the defense budget were spent stress-testing and improving procurement software, people would see that as government waste and complain that the money was supposed to be spent on defense.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
this one really gets to me though
Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines–plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.21
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Speaking as a procurement specialist, the software sucks. I’ve used three different MRP systems. None of them make procurement easy, and none of them are geared towards government or defense procurement (which have specialized rules – the FAR (Federal Acquisition Regulation) and DFARS (Defense Federal Acquisition Regulation Supplement)). The company I currently work for implemented their current procurement system two years ago, and it’s still barely functional, and requires far too much manual input.
Bob.
The system works, it’s just that there are blatant inefficiencies in it. It’s like dressing a 4th line of Shelley-Couturier-Rinaldo. It’s a hockey line, but it’s not the best line you could put together.
Or like a 15-pitch strikeout – you got the job done, but it took a lot more work than it should have.
Bob.
Does it affect your views if it turns out that spending has virtually zero impact on the outcome of the election?
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
So, as I’d have to pay to read the full article, I can’t see what used to reach that conclusion. I just wonder if the results could be affected by changes in campaign finance policy (Citizens United) and did he use a minimum threshold to measure in between candidates (differentiating between when two candidates raise a ton of money each that is not equal, and campaigns that never got started because they were weeded out)?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, what you said. It may not affect the outcome of the final election but it certainly affects who runs in the first place.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Thanks I’m interested in reading this when I get the chance.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
For what it’s worth, I worded my original question carefully — I have no idea whether the article’s conclusion that spending barely matters is overblown, just that the article makes that conclusion.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
I’m most interested in the arguments he makes to reach that conclusion. I used to read stuff like this all the time when I was in school, even though I was majoring in architecture.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 16, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Your an architect?
Awesome but why are you still living in the States? We don’t appreciate great buildings.
This should inspire a new breed of terrorist. Aesthetic arsonists. Because watching shit burn is alot more aesthetically pleasing than monstrosities like this.
O.o
Wow. That might work without the huge columns and overhang in the front, but that just doesn’t work at all. It’s incoherent architecture.
Bob.
These should
be maintained as a historical artifacts for this dark era of American architecture. Or not.
why would you want a great building when you can cram three plain structures into one.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 16, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
/s
once… the quality of the competing candidates are controlled for, the impact of campaign spending on election outcomes, regardless of incumbency status, is small
The guy who wrote that article is obviously one of those "I watch CNN" types who judges Candidate Quality with his eyes. He should use more concrete metrics like money spent since it is a great proxy for advertising time, which in turn correlates strongly to scoring electoral points. While an unsustainably high Candidate Quality can make a candidate look like a lock early on, the underlying $ numbers will cause some serious regression as the electoral season goes on.
I bet he blames the inevitable dips in the poll numbers on injuries to the captain of the campaign team.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
by Phaninsanfran on Jan 16, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny because this guy writes books that are all about things that go wildly against people’s intuition but can be demonstrated with stats.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Hence the /s in the subject line.
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it.
by Phaninsanfran on Jan 17, 2012 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I understood that. But it’s particularly funny in this case, because he sees that argument all the time.
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Looks like no thresholding was used; it’s all 633 cases where the two major party candidates for a congressional seat faced each other two or more times between 1972 and 1990.
When a candidate doubled their spending, that was worth about 1% of the vote, on average.
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Yes, but 1% of eligible voters. The money is important for gaining the party nomination, not garnering actual votes (which kinda don’t matter, when turnouts are 30% of all voters).
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 17, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
What are people’s thoughts on Pronger going into seclusion and having little or no contact with the team, per this article from Panotch:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Tim-Panaccio/On-JVR-and-Pronger/2/41331
I certainly understand that this must be a very stressful and difficult time for him, but as the Captain, should he have some contact with the team? He’s still a great leader, even if not playing, so should he show up at practices just to talk with players, or would that be a distraction?
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Depression is not uncommon for athlete’s that suffer season endiing injuries and Pronger’s case a potenially career ending one. Also this could be caused by the head trauma. Anit-social behavior is not unheard in people who have suffered blows to the head or severe concussions.
Agreed – I imagine he doesn’t feel like going anywhere where the press may hound him (and God knows, they would). Also, going to the practice rink might make him feel worse; perhaps physically due to the lights and movement, but I’m thinking emotionally worse seeing his team and knowing he can’t join them on the ice. On the other hand, it could have a positive effect in that he could still play an important role in terms of providing some veteran guidance to younger players, as well as having some friendly social interaction.
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Yeah, if I suffered some injury/ailment that meant I couldn’t play my trombone anymore (almost happened last fall…), I probably wouldn’t show up to rehearsals anymore and it’d be sad to attend concerts for a little while. And that’s just a hobby, not my life and profession.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
But what if you were the captain of the brass section?
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
They’d just trade a top prospect from the clarinet section to try to fill my spot.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
But it’s a problem if the conductor keeps trying to up the tempo on every piece
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Fellow trombonist (he said as if he had picked it up in the last three years), nice to know.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 16, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
im okay with it
1) i can understand pronger not wanting to be around the rink knowing he cant play for the foreseeable future
2) it would probably be more of a distraction than anything else. talk is cheap without action. pronger knows this team has sufficient leadership with the veterans and giroux and lavy. if the team wasnt doing well or there were lockerroom or leadership issues then i think he should step in, but this team doesnt have those problems.
honestly the best thing for him and the team is probably to just keep a low profile.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jan 16, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I agree Pronger starts hanging around and the internal rumors might start around the locker-room that Pronger might come back begin the swirl who knows. Also seeing such a strong almost immortal Hall of Famer in such a serious and potentially frail state could be unsettling to players who looked up to him. You don’t want to reveal what lies behind the curtain of retirement to pro athletes.
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This sort of situation always reminds me of a chapter from Bringing the Heat, a book on the ’92 Eagles by Mark Bowden.
The chapter describes how when a player is out for an extended period of time, he’s no longer part of practices or game plans and ends up like a ghost haunting the facilities — very little contact with his teammates (the player in question tore an ACL early in the year and had only one visitor), scarcely a part of the team at all.
Maybe things have changed in the last 20 years, or maybe it’s different in hockey, who knows. But at least for that one team, there was a strong culture of forgetting about the guys who were out — teams wanted to move past the injury so it didn’t become an excuse for losing and players didn’t want to be reminded of the dangers inherent in sport.
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That book sounds good. I liked Black Hawk Down; maybe I should check this one out.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
It’s pretty personality-driven, so it’s probably only of moderate interest to people who don’t care about the Eagles. But it’s a great read for people who have strong memories of those late-80’s, early-90’s Eagles.
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I remember those teams and loved them. The first Eagles game I attended was in 1988.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
You should read the book then.
Some of it is stuff I knew but enjoyed reading about — how Buddy made it into his team, Jerome Brown’s huge personality, etc.
But some of it I wouldn’t have known: how Seth Joyner was practically sociological, how Mike Golic’s tv gigs generated friction, how Randall Cunningham saw himself as a celebrity who transcended sport. It’s interesting stuff.
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how Seth Joyner was practically sociological
He was a sociologist? Or he was a sociopath? Did he have Antisocial Personality Disorder?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This is what happens when you try to avoid the term ‘pathological’ because you aren’t sure the definition is right, but you don’t know exactly what you’re talking about.
Let’s try again: Seth Joyner was a complete asshole.
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Awesome defense…one year #1 against the pass AND the run, as well as overall.
A Flyers fan for so long I actually saw a Flyers Goalie (Bruce Gamble) have a heart attack...DURING a game...and continue playing!
"...bouncing puck in the slot...LOOSE IN FRONT...McDuffy...bouncing PUCK...SCOOOOOOOORE!!!!" - Gene Hart
[crickets]
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Heater at work has been running for an hour. its now about 40.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 16, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
physics review packet….dying slowly inside
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by Cillo stache on Jan 16, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
physics was horrible for me last year, my teacher was not the best. she was nice and all, but we didn’t learn much. and then came finals week. have fun with that packet!
Physics is using math to write down what your brain already knows. Some of the equations suck, for sure, but I’d bet if you relax and think about it (try to imagine the scenario in your head), you’ll find you already intuitively understand a lot of the phenomena. That should hopefully help you until you get to more abstract stuff like E&M and beyond…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I like physics, just not physics midterms. The equations always get me. Equations are fine when you’re working on one type at a time, but midterms like to scatter all the ones you learned everywhere, so I end up with a jumble of equations everywhere.
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by Cillo stache on Jan 16, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
shit im like that in intermediate algebra……and i always wonder when ill use f(x) and x = [ -b ± sqrt(b^2 – 4ac) ] / 2a in my everyday life after college
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Honestly, even if you don’t directly use it, there is a good amount of stuff you learn in math classes that you might apply without realizing it.
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Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
honestly ive heard that but i can say with confidence i have not used anything beyond elementary algebra..and i doubt being a business major im going to use anything past that except for statistical analysis etc
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Key words are “without realizing it”.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 16, 2012 12:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
lol i think you mistake me for some kinda smart person….im lucky im wearing pants right now
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
no doubt others are thankful for your good fortune as well
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Technically they're not pants, so there's always there's something from the
Avery Lederhosen Pret a Porte Collection you could be wearing.
Packing and driving back up to school for my last semester of college.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’m still live from the music city, probably gonna do some more sightseeinhg today, Belle Meade Plantation. Still aggravated the boys just couldn’t put a couple more in on saturday night. But at least no one here realizes anything about the preds and doesn’t have a coment when I am wearing my Flyers hat.
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DISCLAIMER: Information written above may not be entirely factual nor provable with the use of complex statistics. But it may induce thought, humor and possibly laughter.
Theyre just not involved like we are. Maybe its a better way to be?
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-Chris Lanci 2011
Talbot 5 Nodl 0 11/7/2011
2011
so you made this up b4 january?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
lol i was waiting for it 2 come out
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
It’s not after dark yet.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
...
this question, when born of love, is an act of awareness 
such self-reflection says one thing-your fan-fu is strong
So Sean Avery was suspended for a game. A rumor was that he spit on the coach, but Bob Mackenzie says:
BTW, heard Avery’s disciplinary infraction was dress code violation — jeans and sneakers in lieu of suit. Stuff about spitting nonsensical.
and:
Would imagine Avery’s attitude (insert wisecrack here) went way south after @NYP_Brooksie report on NYR refusing to put him on re-entry.
Ironic that he uses his wardrobe to “fight back.”
What’s with all the spitting recently? Avery, Ovechkin, Subban…
"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont
Yeah, I don’t get it. I feel like I see players spit all the time during stoppages. And if you draw a straight line in that direction, it’s practically guaranteed to intersect another person eventually. So any time they spit it’s in the general direction of someone.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Cats make everything cuter
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ka-neg-gits.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 16, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Avery in jeans and sneakers? How very un-Vogue-like!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
god the doucheness just comes out of his pores
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Looks like Couture Mormon
I’m not one for the plaid but that’s some well tailored clothing.
by j reed on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Couture Mormon
the undergarments are fabulous, too
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 16, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Magical even.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I had Lucky Charms for breakfast
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by Cillo stache on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the clothing companies only provide high fashion non-sense for him if he’s playing in the NHL? Could be the real reason he wants to get back so bad.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 16, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
At least our DiPietro isn’t hurt all the time yet.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Jan 16, 2012 11:39 AM EST via Android app reply actions
rick DiPietro
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
i like the Battleship Potemkin/Untouchables nod with the baby carriage.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 16, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Fill me in because I have not followed the bloggery that closely. Why are Wild fans so up in arms about the idea that advanced stats say their team is not that good? And are these people random idiots on Twitter, or actual writers of once respectable sites.
Thanks!
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Because they were winning games. And the advanced stat people said they shouldn’t be winning games because they aren’t very good. And the Wild people were like “Clearly, we’re a very good team; look at all these games we won!”
It all happened on Twitter and Hockey Wilderness. They were pulling a modified shot quality/intangibles/Wild defensive system argument, I think.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
And if they actually do understand statistics, this would mean that the Wild would be due for a nasty regression to the mean (hello, 2-6-2 in the last 10 games?)
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Thanks!
And now the Koivu injury will give them a scapegoat that is not regression, won’t it? Goody.
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From the beginning of this losing streak, HW was proclaiming loudly and angrily “this is injuries, not regression.”
They have taken an extremely defiant tone of insistence that the statheads did not predict this, as the statheads were talking about goaltending regression, not injuries.
This overlooks the fact that a) the team is 2-9 over the last month even with Koivu in the lineup, 0-4 with Koivu and Setoguchi both in, and b) the goaltending was .936 for the first 30 games, .914 for the last 15, and Harding and Backstrom each have .918 career Sv%.
In other words, it’s pretty much exactly what was predicted. With some injuries heaped on top to turn a simple regression into a brutal 2-13 stretch.
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I’m tempted to troll them tomorrow.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I won’t initiate any such trolling.
/not gonna start trouble
//would gladly join in though if others went over
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They are just so militant about it. And by troll, I mean engage in conversation. I don’t think I’m capable of trolling.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
“Militant” seems like a good word. Here was part of a post there yesterday:
Oh, and for all you PDO, Corsi, Fenwick mumbo-jumbo followers. Thanks for the predictions. You really proved how bad this team was, and how right your stats were to everyone around here. Yep. I remember the day you all predicted the Wild would start to slide due to something that predicted none of what has actually caused them to slide. But that’s right, they don’t actually predict why or how things happen, just that they will. But then they don’t predict that, just trends.
Be proud. Must be nice to have a way to claim you were right now matter what happens.
Sheesh.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I missed the arguments. Were people predicting a goaltending regression?
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I think so. There were arguments there, ones at Copper and Blue, at Arctic Ice Hockey…I never took part in them, but they were amusing to read.
I thought they’d slow down but I didn’t see this kind of cold streak coming.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am half-tempted to dig these up and link them over there tomorrow in a friendly as possible manner. If I get banned, so what, the writer over there has already established himself as a true idiot, so it’s not like I would miss much.
For what it’s worth, if anyone on the masthead here says don’t go over there tomorrow, I won’t do it and not think twice about it.
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To compound this, let me give you one example on that page that pretty well sums up how ridiculous they are about this whole thing.
Here’s what Reynolds, expressing skepticism about the usefulness of scoring chances, says in response to Todd talking about scoring chances and the scoring chance project:
Who determines the scoring chance area? What counts as a shot? What happens if you miss one? Is there a back up plan? More than one person? Can the results be duplicated independently? Who is checking your work?
If you determine anything in the process, it is, by definition, subjective. NHL scorers are subjective. You’re telling me you aren’t? Not buying it.
Mostly because I don’t give [scoring chances] any value. I can appreciate the effort, but I don’t see the point.
And here’s the money quote:
I watch the games. I hear the coach. What he says is true. Why do I need to spend three hours of my life to prove what I just saw happen? Sounds like time I could spend with my kids, or some other valued activity. Like carving the alphabet into my forehead.
Now, here’s one part of an interview with Wild coach Mike Yeo:
Advanced statistics are very popular in baseball, and getting there in basketball. Do you used advanced statistics?
I have certain statistics I look at, and carefully. But a lot of them I don’t buy into. You can find stats for everything. I know what I value and those are the ones I look at.
Here’s Reynolds’ reaction to that:
My favorite part of the interview with Yeo? When he is asked about advanced statistics. Great answer, coach. Great answer.
Here’s the very next question in that interview:
Ok, so what do you look at?
Scoring chances, for and against, is the biggest one for me — who was involved, how did they come. I think you learn a lot about your team, your players, and the other team.
Scoring chances: useless. What the coach has to say: useful. What the coach has to say: scoring chances are useful.
…wait, what?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
BReynolds is a clotpole.
Though it must be said it is refreshing to see Yeo give scoring chances the consideration that he does.
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Well, we know Laviolette does. Wouldn’t be surprised if most coaches do.
They’re probably my favorite kind of “advanced” stat—like Yeo says, you learn a lot from them.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s Reynolds’ reaction to that:
My favorite part of the interview with Yeo? When he is asked about advanced statistics. Great answer, coach. Great answer.
Not just that, but his comment on it in his daily link dump was:
Great interview, including the wonderful news that Yeo could give a rip about “advanced” stats.
Reading someone saying “I have certain stats I look at, and carefully” and concluding that he doesn’t give a rip about advanced stats seems like confirmation bias at its finest.
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I think that was actually the quote I was looking for, yeah. Good call. And gotta love that this “wonderful news” is coming from a coach whose team is on the heels of a horrendous skid of games.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and I found a perfect spot to jump in at. Reynolds writes:
We’re still unsure what exactly [stats people] predicted as opposed to what happens qualifies as being right, but hey, whatever it takes to make them leave us alone.Anywhere I can find someone predicting to his face goaltender regression?
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Regular readers will know that I think Minnesota is much more likely to continue diving than they are to bounce back to the high shooting and save percentages they enjoyed for the first quarter of the season; bet against that regression to the mean at your peril.
Minnesota and Anaheim are comfortably ensconced in last place, but Minnesota’s high PDO, driven by high shooting percentage and even higher save percentage, makes the Wild look like geniuses while the Ducks have assembled a circular firing squad.
In terms of likely movers and shakers in the second-half standings, Minnesota is first in line for a fall…
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2011/12/19/2645307/fenwick-power-rankings
The evidence I set forth was simple – the Wild were the worst team in the league at shot generation (possession) and by a large margin. Their goaltending was outplaying their talent level by a significant margin and was the reason for their hot start. Eventually that goaltending will collapse and the Wild will revert to results befitting a team of their underlying numbers.
http://www.coppernblue.com/2011/12/22/2645655/are-the-wild-improving-at-possession
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
You left out where it started, with this article on AIH, which said:
Nothing will save the Blue Jackets’ season after this brutal start, but it’s important to keep in mind that they’re a vastly better team than Minnesota
This drew the attention of a HW writer, JSLandry, to whom the argument was made by a certain BSH writer that the Wild would not finish the year with .934 goaltending.
They did maintain .936 for 30 games, as it turns out. And the Wild fans spent 30 games saying “told you so”.
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Well they are close to jumping off a cliff now. Of course, none of the conversation is about the reasons mentioned above, but still, it’s kind of funny to see them squirm now knowing how much they believed in their team’s heart/system/forechecking, etc.
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In all fairness to them, losing Koivu for a month does suck.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh it does and that was not meant as a shot at Koivu for poking fun at Koivu at all.
Just after being seemingly on Cloud 9 over a team that sucks, Wild fans now realize the team sucks, if for completely different reasons than how they actually suck and even if they don’t realize this was predicted by everyone is kind of humorous. And how they are somehow taking their anger out at stats guys
Morons will almost never agree with rational thought. And from reading what you blockquoted below, BReynolds is absolutely that.
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And how they are somehow taking their anger out at stats guys
If it makes you feel any better, they were furious with stat guys long before the regression started, for merely having suggested that the Wild weren’t very good.
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That same argument erupted around here once due to one of those articles.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Is this what I get for not reading every thread? :’(
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The Wild argument? Or “The Flyers have an unsustainable shooting percentage due to regress and probably aren’t this good” argument?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
The Wild argument. Geoff linked to a “hey, I think the Wild are gonna regress” article, and somebody (I forget who) got all up in arms about how the Wild were really a great team and how stupid it was that the stat nerds couldn’t just acknowledge that and were making up claims that they secretly sucked.
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So remember how I said I was doing a physics review packet? Can someone help me?
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Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Entirely unrelated...
But I just noticed your picture thing.
I’ve become obsessed with the show. I’m almost done with season 3 after about a week.
by PyropenguinX on Jan 16, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks Chem! And you, of course!
if mass 1 is 2.54 kg is 30 meters away from mass two, and the force of gravity between them is 3.20×10^-12 N, what is mass two?
I think I got it, but its different than the answer key’s answer, as well as another I did similar to this one, so either I am wrong both times or the key is.
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by Cillo stache on Jan 16, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
God I hated physics… I was a CompE and completely sucked at E&M… Mechanics though was a bit easier…
Newton’s Law of Universal Gravitation?
F=[G(m1m2)]/r^2
solving for m2 would give…
(r^2*F) / (m1*G) = m2
So provided my units are correct… m2 = 16.989 kg?
by PyropenguinX on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Probably depends on what we both used for G…
Nice to see I didn’t completely screw that up
by PyropenguinX on Jan 16, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Its hard to fuckup once you have solve the original formel for m2.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 16, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you! Plugged the numbers in wrong. Mostly cause I have no idea how to split it up.
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
by Cillo stache on Jan 16, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Always try to isolate what you’re looking for first. Normally if you can get that done you can figure out what you need to do. This is when those stupid algebra things you learn come back to haunt you.
by PyropenguinX on Jan 16, 2012 7:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
As a guy there work with physics every day, doing such things become second nature. A formel like the one above, I dont even need a paper anymore to solve for im looking for
by Anders Jensen on Jan 17, 2012 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone see Bill Meltzer on Twitter mention Betts and Bartilus skating with the team?
I know it hasn’t been all that long but I’ve forgotten the specifics with the 2 of them. Who can refresh my memory? Who was it that went somewhere else and came back because he failed the physical? And what happened to the other one?
For some reason I just combine them as one person :-/
by lava96 on Jan 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Both of them were waived in the preseason.
Bartulis cleared and has been with the Phantoms, although he’s been hurt for most of the year.
Betts was claimed by Montreal, then returned to the Flyers when he failed a physical. He’s been on IR.
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You know, Eric, the Nashville scoreboard listed Betts as a “scratch” not an “injury”. I know that was in error technically as there is no roster space for him. But it is clear that it isn’t just lava96 who is confused about this, and I think for good reason.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Maybe we should change one of their names or give them nicknames.
by lava96 on Jan 16, 2012 3:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
glub
Ghana
testing this on my smartphone
ciao productivity
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Jan 16, 2012 4:05 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I drafted a reasonable, non-trolling comment for Hockey Wilderness on regression and Reynolds's confusion as to where stats people were right
Just trying to decide if the ensuing discussion with Reynolds and others there is worth my time or not.
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I am leaning towards no.
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How much popcorn did you prepare?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Depends on how committed Justin is.
At the low end, 1 bag of popcorn and 30 blog comments. At the high end. 2.5 bags and 300 comments.
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Seeing as how I am coming into this late and I am beginning to think very low of Reynolds, I do not know how committed I am, either.
I have a few links predicting the regression, Eric’s stats, and some non-trolling prose, but that’s it. This discussion has gone into so many directions that I can’t validate every stat’s person in a single comment, just prove that a goaltender regression did happen.
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Response is almost guaranteed:
- I don’t care about stats
- I actually watched every minute of every game, did you?
- The goaltending is the same; the team is playing worse in front of the goalies
All served with three helpings of dismissiveness. If you’re going in to show links that prove the point, I wouldn’t bother — it’s a point that they’ve heard plenty of times and have chosen not to listen to.
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That’s what I lean toward no. It’s just going to devolve into something like that and nothing useful will be exchanged.
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aka a drinking game?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Depends on how committed Justin is.
Do we have any stats on him to determine that?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I don’t think he has enough heart to really see it through.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 16, 2012 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t. And I begin student teaching next week, so I will largely invisible when it matters most.
/I have no idea what that last clause means other then I won’t be in many Fly Bys as I do not have a smart phone. Or a phone with internet access.
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Short answer: no.
Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I’d at least wait until game day?
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
True. I just found a perfect post statement today to respond to. I have it saved in a word document, I can wait. :)
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Oh, but make sure you can post there and don’t have a waiting period in the way.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I joined HW in May 2011 to write a condolences comment after Boogaard died.
I am also that guy who joins a blog whenever he wants to read a comments section because that allows the Z function even if there is a wait period and it is so much easier to read threads with that. So I’ve joined probably over 100 blogs while commenting on maybe 20 at the most.
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I just joined like an hour ago. No waiting period.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 16, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see this when it happens. Mainly because I’d like to see if you get any further than myself or RAL managed.
Tracking the Flyers scoring chances at Broad Street Hockey
I’m not as good or as smart as you so I doubt I will. Also, now that I know the root of why Reynolds and Zona don’t like each other, I’m not entirely convinced this is my place or that I am one to kick the HW when they are down.
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Hah, don’t insult yourself. It was like talking to a brick wall really. I wasn’t even saying one thing or the other, I was mainly suggesting someone look at the chances for the Wild and see if there is any truth to the Yeo “we keep shots to the outside and generate them in good areas” mantra. He thought the scoring chance project was a waste of time because of bias due to the recorders and was unneeded in this instance because he saw it with his own eyes, Yeo said that’s what happens and other Wild reporters agreed. Confirmation bias was nothing more than a phrase stat-heads like to throw around when people tell them to watch the game
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That conversation was linked above and I read it. You tried.
And I can’t follow his logic at all.
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Oh I shift+A’d most of the comments today. Yeah, I tried, I do like that quote from Yeo though.
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Samsies. And how Reynolds saw that as agreement with him when if you read further you’d fine that Yeo completely disagreed with Reynolds. Hilarious stuff.
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I just got your Twitter DMs, Eric. I should check my email more frequently than I do.
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Don’t worry. Eric is horrible at responding to DMs.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Jan 16, 2012 6:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
If Ladislav Scurko is cleared of the charges against him, I wonder if Homer gives him a call to play for the Phantoms on a two-way deal with a friendly cap hit. I’m guessing he wouldn’t mind getting out of the country for a while.
I thought he was just released pending a new trial?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 16, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
…the Slovakian legal system permits those arrested to ask to be released on the promise of staying clean. The charges brought against you may be worthy of keeping you in prison as the investigation exists, but those in custody can receive probation with a written, legal promise and the promise of not traveling abroad.
After being imprisoned for so long and not convicted on his charges, Scurko was finally released.
I don’t believe that there’s been any trial yet.
Maybe not, but I don’t think he’s been cleared of charges:
After spending two and a half years in prison, Scurko was released last month with a new trial pending.
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Tyler Vanderslice4 hours ago
carter who?
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Pete Wiater4 hours ago
He was that guy who did that thing one time
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Layne Z3 hours ago
you mean took a meaningless wrist shot from a horrible scoring area?
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midgepigebo5783 hours ago
old high and wide. with the way voracek is playing, i would have been happy with carter for voracek straight up. the fact that they gave us the pick for coots and cousins is amazing.
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midgepigebo5783 hours ago
and i’ve loved what ive seen from sestito too.
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Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
I think anything that encourages good sportsmanship is a good thing. I agree that it’d be the last thing I’d want to do, but then again, I’m waaaaay too competitive and I have a tendency to want to take someone’s head off when I lose.
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