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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...

  • Dave Strehle makes his SBN Philly debut with a good article on Sean Couturier: [SB Nation Philly]
  • Speaking of Couturier, Anthony SanFilippo compares him to Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and sees that there isn't much separating them for the Calder Trophy: [delcotimes.com]
  • Previewing tonight's game against the Wild: [Bill Meltzer]
  • Peter Laviolette was asked about who his number one goalie is. He responded "I hate numbers, you know that." But how long can he keep his best goalie on the bench? [Backhand Shelf] [Daily News]
  • Same basic story as the one above, but this one includes Kimmo Timonen saying Sergei Bobrovsky gives the team confidence. Who remembers all those arguments over the summer about how Bob/Boucher didn't instill confidence, but Bryzgalov would? Yup: [CSNPhilly]
  • With Mikko Koivu likely out of the All-Star Game, could Scott Hartnell replace him? [Frequent Flyers] [CSNPhilly]
  • The Flyers are happy to be home: [Inquirer]
  • Scott Hartnell for... the Selke? Seriously? [Arctic Ice Hockey]
  • The Chris Pronger contract is already proving to be a hurdle for the Flyers: [Daily News]
  • Blair Betts is skating again: [delcotimes.com]
  • Sean Couturier is scoring a lot: [NHL.com]
  • In an article on the Flyers defense struggling, it's admitted that Sergei Bobrovsky is playing really well. If the defense is only struggling with Bryzgalov in net, is it really the defense that is struggling? [The Checking Line]
  • The Phantoms have a new page devoted to their Allentown arena: [Phantoms Arena]
  • Remember Ladislav Scurko? The former Flyer accused of murdering a referee? He's out of prison awaiting a new trial: [Puck Daddy]
  • The Edmonton Oilers rely on old-fashioned statistics, ignore attrition rates, and use Capgeek to make bad decisions: [mc79hockey.com]
  • Part two of NHL Adjusted Plus/Minus focuses on even-strength offense. As if you needed more proof that Matt Carle is among the NHL's very best: [Arctic Ice Hockey]

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There is still a great deal of hockey to play. The expectations were raised just far enough for the fall to actually hurt earlier in the year. The stat folks have gotten their wet dream, they get to claim victory. We’re still unsure what exactly they predicted as opposed to what happens qualifies as being right, but hey, whatever it takes to make them leave us alone.

With 37 games to play, the Wild are now inside the bubble by just one point, and are nine points off the pace of Chicago. A once positive goal differential has dropped in the gutter, the road record has evaporated, and there are still a host of road games to get through before they get any extended time back home.

Good to know it’s still not clear whether or not awful possession numbers and unsustainable save percentages can predict things like evaporating positive goal differentials and less victories.

Wait, what?

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by Chase W on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

Like the Beatles used to belt out…Let it be.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 17, 2012 7:01 AM EST up reply actions  

This is HW’s stance, that what happened was not goalie regression (as predicted) but a series of crippling injuries (which nobody mentioned). That “the goalie hasn’t changed, the defense hasn’t changed, the coach hasn’t changed — the one thing that’s changed is the injuries to the forwards, which nobody predicted.”

Of course, if you start off asking what physical changes might have occurred to explain the losing streak, then you’re basically ruling out regression from the beginning. And it’s not entirely clear to me how the forwards are the difference between a .936 save percentage and a .914 save percentage, but whatever.

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the worst thing that could’ve happened w/ them did. The injuries were the perfect excuse out. Of course, if it wasn’t that, it would’ve been something else.

The only confusing thing to me about the whole thing is why people are getting annoyed that they won’t accept that stats have a use.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 17, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Because the whole point of having an argument is so the other person has to say you were right. Duh.

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s like the Cold War. You, the intelligence agencies, get something to fight using your higher, critical thinking brain functions as well as your cool graph gadgets.

by j reed on Jan 17, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

They’re still in the denial stage, i.e, “We are NOT fucked! We are NOT fucked!” This will persist no doubt past the trade deadline until they reach acceptance, i.e, " ….yeah, we’re fucked."

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah, I think they’ve accepted the losing part, they’re not accepting that they’re like everyone else whose luck ran out. They’re blaming forward injuries for their goaltending coming back to earth.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 17, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, so it’s the bargaining stage then.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I just laugh at the disparaging tone they keep using re: advanced stats. First it was “Ha ha! We’re sure going to ‘regress’ soon!” and now that they did its “Oh, well we’re still not even sure if these nerds were right!”

Just seems funny to me how they argue profusely against simple metrics that they don’t even seem to understand.

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by Chase W on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, Bryan’s a smart guy (or so it seems in conversations I’ve had on his site). He seems to understand the numbers, he just doesn’t seem to think they’re applicable. Splitting hairs I know, but that’s all it takes to disagree with something.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 17, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

it was more of a moist dream if anything

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This whole goalie thing is playing out exactly how I expected it to, and it makes me sick.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 17, 2012 6:58 AM EST reply actions  

Well, I couldn’t resist posting a comment to Backhand Shelf’s article since Lambert told us months ago that Bob was “mediocre”. Pissed me off then and still does today.

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by BHMB on Jan 17, 2012 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It sure is. It’s time for The F.O. and the coaches to own up to their mistake and eat a whole bunch of crow. Make Bob the #1 starting goalie and force Bryz to up his game and try to earn the #1 spot back.

And just think if this F.O. was smart we would still have Boosh and Bob in net and a whole lot of cap space (if Carter and Richards were still dealt) to go get a defensemen or two.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Richards didn’t clear any cap space (just pointing it out…it’s a pet peeve of mine).

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

True.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate to poke your pet peeve, but how’d you come to that conclusion? The way I see the math…

Richards (5.75M) for Schenn (3.11M eventually, 1.7ish this year) and Simmonds (1.75M)
Carter (5.27M) for Voracek (2.25M) and Couturier (1.375M)

Factor in that a 1-for-2 deal saves some cap room even if the salaries match (since you fill two roster spots with the same amount of money) and the Richards deal saved about 3M this year, about 1.5-2M in the future, while the Carter deal saved about 2.3M.

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

In the offseason that we signed Bryz Schenn was at 3.1 M and Simmonds was at 1.75 M. OK It cleared a bit but it just wasn’t a salary cap dump – there are a million other ways to clear 1 million dollars in cap space including getting rid of Jody Shelley/Matt Walker/Darrol Powe.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 17, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The offseason cap hit doesn’t really matter, since they can exceed the cap in the offseason. In season, Schenn was at 1.7ish.

And like I said, you’re filling two top-9 spaces. Think of it as replacing Richards and Nodl with Schenn and Simmonds and you end up with considerably more than $1M.

I doubt it was a pure salary cap dump, but your original statement was that the move didn’t clear any cap space, which I think is decidedly false. A roster of:

Hartnell-Giroux-Jagr //van Riemsdyk-Richards-Read //Talbot-Briere-Voracek //Rinaldo-Couturier-Zolnierczyk //Shelley

Pronger-Carle // Timonen-Coburn // Meszaros-Lilja // Gustafsson

Bryzgalov // Bobrovsky

would be 2M over the cap. Replace Richards with Schenn and Simmonds and you get under the cap, with an extra player on the roster.

Could they have cleared the cap space some other way? Sure. But this move clearly saved on cap space.

by Eric T. on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much. At first it seemed like Richie and Carter were traded to fit Bob that may not really have been the case. What I don’t know is if they still would have been traded even if the Flyers decided to go with Bob instead, which is what I always wanted.

Here is a question though…based on the little blurb I copied below, if there is indeed a one time contract amnesty offered as a result of the new CBA…do you use it on Pronger or Bryz?

My guess would be Pronger since he may never play again but Bryz’s contract goes for a few years past Prongers.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 17, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

All depends on the new CBA set up for LTIR. If it’s going to be favorable to keep Pronger on LTIR I say to drop Brzy.

by hbcivicsi93 on Jan 17, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, how the new CBA is structured and Pronger’s health will be the biggest factors in deciding which player to keep should such an amnesty clause be offered.

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by Chase W on Jan 17, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted at the time of the trades that I thought Carter was traded for Bryz cap room (and that trade is a blowout win right now, given that it brought Scooter AND Voracek as well as cap room). But I’ve always thought Richie was traded in part for “other” reasons we’ll never fully know; they could have fit both Richie and Bryz.

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Jan 17, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

AMEN on your first point. Bryz has to earn it back.

All along I thought they should have went with Bob from training camp as the #1, make it his job to lose, and pick up a Vokoun (small cap hit) or maybe another veteran, proven, capable backup out there (can’t remember who was available at the time) instead of showering Bryz with all of this money. Money we could use now to shore up the defense or provide flexibility to plan for the inevitable injuries.

I’m glad they let Boosh go…don’t know if I could stand another go-round with him.

In any case – the team and Bryz are stuck with one another now…they have to make it work somehow. Maybe a little pine-time will get his focus back.

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by DrummerFC on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s time for The F.O. and the coaches to own up to their mistake and eat a whole bunch of crow.

The Bryzgalov signing was not a mistake because of his play so far this year. Either it was a mistake because he can never play at a level that justifies the cost (the Don’t Overpay for Goalie argument) or it’s too early to say it’s a mistake, because the contract has run less than 10% of its length.

I would prefer if the organization maintain a balanced diet, including fowl other than crow, focus as little energy as possible on past decisions and simply acknowledge that for now #35 is doing a better job and playing time should be adjusted accordingly. Because every team has two goalies and because one goalie usually plays an entire game, the competition dynamic is unique and is something that is part of their life. If Bryzgalov’s mental state is so shaky that he can’t deal with the fact of competition that’s more reason to give Bobrovsky increased playing time, while Bryzgalov gets things sorted out in his interior universe.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 17, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. But mostly:

The Flyers can’t trade Bryzgalov. The Flyers can’t send him to the AHL (though I imagine they can put him on waivers to “gauge interest”). The Flyers can’t get rid of his cap hit unless Bryzgalov waives his NMC and pulls a Huet.

In other words: The Flyers are stuck with Bryzgalov. If it puts egg on Snider’s face to play Bob 60% of the time, buy a dozen eggs and win some fucking hockey games.

End of story.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

The Flyers can’t send him to the AHL (though I imagine they can put him on waivers to "gauge interest").

This seems to be true. The CBA says the no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan, or Waiver claim.

The way I read that, they can waive him and if a team claims him, he gets to block the move. They should do that every couple weeks until he gets the hint.

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Note: he would also get a hint if no one claims him.

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Jan 17, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

You should write it and make it really existential.

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by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL. Nice.

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by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

So rec’d.

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by Justin F. on Jan 17, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup!

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by hintzy64 on Jan 17, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Couturier’s recent goals… ummm how do you say “not too high, not too wide”…

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by edesjardins37 on Jan 17, 2012 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

“anti-Carter”

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions  

“Gagne-ish”?

A Flyers fan for so long I remember when a Flyers Goalie (Bruce Gamble) had a heart attack DURING a game...and continued playing!

"...bouncing puck in the slot...LOOSE IN FRONT...McDuffy...bouncing PUCK...SCOOOOOOOORE!!!!" - Gene Hart

by DrummerFC on Jan 17, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

“TWSS”?

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

“Hey, Columbus, thanks for the draft pick?”

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Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

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by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 10:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

“bingo-bango”?

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Cash & Tango!

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i was thinking out takes from friends season ten

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MICHAEL!

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I do not know to what you refer. But for some reason when I complete something or score a goal in NHL12 or something I find myself saying “Bingo, Bango, Cash and Tango!” in my head….dunno where it came from.

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Friends man…the subtle and dry humor in the show is fantastic

Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No. I watch friends I just don’t know the outtake you’re talking about.

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

its on the season 10 dvd set…pretty funny shit

Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll check that out.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

in fact why wait, let me youtube it for you

part 1

part 2

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MICHAEL!

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. That was some great stuff!

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

If the defense is only struggling with Bryzgalov in net, is it really the defense that is struggling?

Yes.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 17, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

But the defense isn’t struggling in front of Bobrovsky?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, the defense is indeed struggling in front of Bobs. Bobs is playing out of his mind right now, and that will subside

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 17, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

and if it doesnt and he channels his inner hasek?

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MICHAEL!

Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.

by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Eric pointed out that Couturier’s Points/60 is actually on par with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, if not exceeding it. But I’ll concede that Coots won’t be a Calder contender because his biggest contribution on the ice is in his own zone.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 17, 2012 8:04 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I brought the numbers to ASF’s attention and he ran with it, which is cool. I snuck zone starts and competition metrics into a print publication!

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Eric T is…the subversive statistician!

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

“I’ve always played center, but whatever I can do to help the team, if it’s on wing, on defense, goalie, whatever — I’ll do it,” Couturier said.

Well now that you mention it Coots…haha in all seriousness though how can you not love this kid.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 17, 2012 8:06 AM EST reply actions  

…his mother has a tattoo that says, “SON”
…he scores on 100% of the shots he doesn’t take
…he is…the “Most Interesting Rookie in the League”.

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by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That's the plan that other teams heard about!

Homer: Scooter, you’ve played very well for us
Scooter: Thanks, Mr. Holmgren!
Homer: I know you’re a regular center, but we’d like to ask you to learn a new position.
Scooter: Oh, sure, I’ve played the wing before, no problem, let Matt play center
Homer: Uh, not wing.
Scooter: Defense? I don’t have much experience there, but we’ve had some injuries there, so, sure…
Homer: Uh, not defense either…

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

From the Seravalli article:
The only thing that would make the Flyers’ deadline decisions easier is an already assured, one-time contract amnesty that could very well come as the result of the upcoming CBA negotiations, which are set to start sometime around the Jan. 26-30 All-Star break.

Well isn’t that interesting?

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 17, 2012 8:15 AM EST reply actions  

Which mean? Buy out?

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

If it is anything like the NBA’s Amnesty Clause from their new CBA it basically means that any team can waive one player and then that player would have to go through waivers. Any team under the cap can put an offer out for him. Which, in the NHL would be everyone since they have a hard cap. So essentially anyone could put an offer out for that player even if it would put you over the cap at the moment you sign them since you can still get under the cap by the time the season starts. I think the way it then works is say the Flyers amnesty Bryz and whatever team has the highest offer(which would still be at a discount from his actual contract) would then get the player and they would have to pay his salary. The Flyers would then have to pay Bryz the difference between his previous contract and his new contract but it wouldn’t count against the cap. If no one put in a claim for him then he would become a Free Agent who can negotiate with anyone he wants.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 17, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I wonder who they would have come in to replace Bryz if it did come down to this scenario?

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by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I would hope any one of the 100 goalies the Flyers have in their system.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 17, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Jakub Kovar!!!!

I heart our rookies.

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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Niko Hovinen is the front-runner, if only because he has a contract. Michael Leighton, Johan Backlund, Jakub Kovar, and Jason Bacashihua are all UFA or un-signed next year.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Niko Hovinen is also huge and a Finn. So yeah, I can support this.

I heart our rookies.

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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

A Kimmo in Goalie gear! Swoon.

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by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

"hi there!"

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

not too shabby, eh

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by Cillo stache on Jan 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

He kinda skeeves me out, actually. (But so does Carcillo.) To each her own.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

He looks like a doctor, slightly skeevy but he’s still a finnish hockey goalie….He’s got a lot going for him even if his face isn’t too great

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by Cillo stache on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

A Chara-sized Kimmo in goalie gear. Epic win.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 11:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Except for what’s probably a gigantic five hole.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

But then again, Pekka Rinne is a huge Finnish dude, and he seems to be doing just fine.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

isn’t the backup anders lindback Finnish too?

by profoundnotions on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Nope, Swedish.

Strangely, I knew that because I looked it up like a month ago. No idea why.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

We had Michael Leighton. We’re used to gigantic five holes

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Big Fucking Pelican.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

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by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

This!

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I found the tweet about Backlund from Teemu interesting. Flyers were trying to dump him in Europe since October? I kinda feel bad for the guy in that he seemed the victim of bad luck. He struck me as a hard worker, a good foot soldier.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Like the guy on the right?

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

You forgot who you’re talking to. I’ve no idea what this is.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is THE saddest thing I’ve ever read in my life.

No offense.

That, good Dutchman, is a screen cap from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon depicting two foot soldiers.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I had no idea what it was, either. I stopped watching cartoons in 1983.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I was about to protest, but the comic came out in 84 and the cartoon in 87.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The comics are so amazing!

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Someday you and I shall meet face to face. You’re gonna but me a beer and I’m gonna tell you about growing up watching the Flyers on a black & white TV that had a separate converter box for UHF stations. And no remote.

Young. Man.
/The Prisoner reference.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I had a black & white TV with the cable box that had push buttons on it so I could watch Flyers and Phillies games. Channel 2? Prism, bitches!

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

When I was a kid I used to have to watch those games in our basement on a tv that got scrambled and color inverted prism. When we played the Lightning they were white and orange and we were blue and black.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

we used to dream of having a basement.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 17, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

What’s a basement?

/Florida’d

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 5:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

well done on the double meaning there, whether intended or not.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 17, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely unintentional.

And I could definitely see the Panthers fan mocking Lightning fans with that question.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Prism. Growing up “in the country”, that wasn’t an option.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I grew up in frickin Myerstown! That ain’t no Metropolis, dude.

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by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I respect the age gap and understand why you didn’t get the reference but TMNT is pretty much the best thing ever created by anyone ever to me so it makes me sad.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never a fan, but then again, I was a little old when it came out. If it’s any consolation, my son kind of likes it now.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was way too old for TMNT, and TMNT was too old for my kids. Never watched it.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t want to nerd out on this but if you are into comics at all they aren’t too young for anyone.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll need to take your word for it.
And I wasn’t trying to call you a nerd, just ribbing you for being young. :)

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, I have absolutely no problem being called a nerd. It’s just I had to self-edit or else my comment above this would have been longer than the flyby. Haha

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I recognized them from when I was teaching kids in a summertime art program. They constantly drew TNMT characters which I forbid along with any cartoon/comic for that matter. Imaginations only. What a fucking Art Fascist I was. Point being, it was a waste of class time to do something they could just as easily do at home. It did however give me the opportunity to introduce them to the real Big 4 of the Italian Renaissance.

by j reed on Jan 17, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh man. I could never have been in that class. In fact, in spanish class in college we had to teach the entire class how to do something. My presentation was how to draw a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle….oh, yes, I did get an A+. Thanks for asking.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Bottom line is, put a drawing implement in my hand and give me a spot to draw something, 9 times out of 10 I’ll draw a TMNT.

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You wound me, sir.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 17, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I've already been chastised by DG for speculating this, so not to burst your collective balloon, but

I’ll remind everyone that the CBA expires September 15 and will do so unless something very unusual happens (like for example Don Fehr decides to retire and move to Ecuador or some other hockey-crazed area). Therefore the next CBA will not affect this summer and therefore any decisions for 2012-13 free agency will have to be based on current cap projections.

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Jan 17, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So Buffalo, it seems like you’re really having problems. Why not let us take Weber or leopold off of your hands?

"Start playing with some jam in here"

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 17, 2012 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

I remember back to the start of the season, there seemed to be a good feeling around the Sabres – New owner and all, revamped team. I don’t watch many games apart from the Flyers so I don’t really know the story. But I can see the standings, and of all the teams outside the playoff picture, they’ve got to be the most disappointed? (Along with perhaps TB, but they dont have a goaltender). Whats gone wrong, aside from Leino not playing to his contract?

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by McGonigle on Jan 17, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty good overview of the Sabres’ struggles:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=nc-cotsonika_buffalo_sabres_struggles_011611

"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont

by LVHokejs on Jan 17, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m missing the game tonight and I’ll try and find a grilled cheese in my travels. I might be on the thread, but if not, GO FLYERS!!!

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by JLS89 on Jan 17, 2012 8:44 AM EST reply actions  

...

Perhaps, Lavy could use an assistant who doesn’t ignore numbers. Anyone know if this guy is available?

"That was a lot of fun. We don't go to jail, we beat up their chicken forwards, we score ten goals, and we win. And now the Moose drinks beer." -Andre "Moose" Dupont

by LVHokejs on Jan 17, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

And he looks partial to jam.

by j reed on Jan 17, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This is probably my favorite scene in the movie :)

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

“Yes!” (the face he makes is hilarious)

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

OT - All-Star Format

Due to an increasing level of boredom, I have been pondering a change to the All-Star Game. Replace the game with a 3 v 3 tournament.

- Each Team has a goalie, two defensemen, and four forwards
- Either the captains pick teams or sticks are drawn
- Each game is ten minutes, running clock (Ice resurfaced every 4ish games)
- Create two divisional so that there are two division games and one cross over (3 games for each team – total of 9 games if my math is correct)

- Playoff crossover with division A 1 playing division B 2 and vice versa (top 2 from each division advance)

- Winner gets a corny trophy and money to a charity?

I doubt the players would play harder but you never know. I would also like to see a fan contest for team names. For example, Tim Thomas was a selection so people could submit team names like Thomas’ Tank Engines. Winners could get a jersey or something. You could even have fans vote on logos providing there is time.

I would also love a clause that says winning team returns the following year to defend their title. Injured or retired players would be replaced. I would certainly watch this over the current format.

Ralph Wiggum lost his shin guard...hack the bone, hack the bone.

by JStear on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

That’s an interesting thought. We have to be practical though, and time constraints will prevent many of those things you mention to be implemented. But I like the idea of a pick-up style playoff format. I can get behind that.

by PastaMasta on Jan 17, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah time constraints would be the main issue. Overall you are looking at twelve games at ten minutes a game so thats 120 minutes or two hours. Add in three minute intervals between games (33 minutes) and two or three ice cleanings (30 minutes) and the event is a bit longer than an nhl game. You could shave the game times to eight minutes and start games every ten minutes, that could cut half an hour. Of course you’d have to pick teams a night or two beforehand.

Ralph Wiggum lost his shin guard...hack the bone, hack the bone.

by JStear on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, as long as they keep the skills competition, I’ll be happy. I am so looking forward to that this year. Seriously, I get all excited like a little kid.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes definitely keep the skills competition. Heck you could even incorporate it so that points earned in the skills competition could be a tie-breaker in the tournament.

Ralph Wiggum lost his shin guard...hack the bone, hack the bone.

by JStear on Jan 17, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

yessssssss

/just wanted to use this picture

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Should have kept reading down…lol.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

So what everyone is saying that Corsi/Fenwick is simply just kharma?

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by MJDII on Jan 17, 2012 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

I’ll be sporting BSH’s #HartnellDown in the club level tonight.

Another tip o’ the hat, Kreider. I may buy some of the other #HD gear just because proceeds go to charity, but I already own the superioir #HD design.

Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.

- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)

by iJewJitsu on Jan 17, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Aww…shucks.

Do everything within your power to get on TV!

Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.

by KreiderDesigns on Jan 17, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

My usuals “PUNCH HIM IN THE THROAT!” and “Hey Ref, Get off your knees, you’re blowing the game!” don’t usually work.

I’ll think of something.

Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.

- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)

by iJewJitsu on Jan 17, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I wore my #Hartnelldown shirt to the most recent college game here. I got the strangest looks from everyone because more than 99% just don’t get it. And no one asked me about it either.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did the extra i come from? Maybe it’s my third i.

Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.

- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)

by iJewJitsu on Jan 17, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Serious question.

Is there any other FO as infuriating as ours? Any? I have no clue. Thx

by Hans S on Jan 17, 2012 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

Edmonton.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Toronto. Especially if you count ownership.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 17, 2012 11:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Eagles.

Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.

- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)

by iJewJitsu on Jan 17, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting story on Yahoo about Jenna Privette, the Minnesota girl who may be paralyzed from injuries sustained in a high school hockey game. Apparently, all the officials claim it was an “unaided fall” (as in, not the result of a check) but the family and others are disputing that.

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Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

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by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Club Box FAQ

I’ve been in the club levels a few times, but usually I sit with the other plebs in the regular seats.

I don’t know if my ticket had Grille access before – if so I ignored it. Worth hitting up for dinner, or should I skip it?

Because my ticket has Grille access, does that mean I can park in the Cadillac Grille parking? I usually park in Center City and take the subway.

None of this stuff really matters…I’m just glad I’m finally going to a game this year.

Now if only Lavs was not in this “help-my-number-one-goaltender-find-himself” phase and would actually start his current best goaltender…Does anyone else think that maybe Mr. Snider is, shall we say, encouraging Lavy to start Bryz? Historically, you’d expect him to start the hot hand, not the hot contract, though I don’t know if he’s historically had a guy with THIS hot a contract get outplayed by his backup before.

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- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)

by iJewJitsu on Jan 17, 2012 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Club Box seats are great. Separate bar for the box, and even better, separate bathrooms just for those in the box. Cadillac Grille is not bad. Food choices aren’t all that great, in my opinion, but if you can get a window seat overlooking the rink, that’s pretty nice.

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by LVHokejs on Jan 17, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Could Bryz be sent to the AHL? I know the waiver risk, but would it be possible?

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by Cillo stache on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

He has a No Movement Clause, so not unless he agrees.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he has a no-movement clause. If he does, he could only get sent to the AHL if he approved it, which he probably wouldn’t. If Homer would try that, I would extremely angry with him.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Bryz needs to see the guy who helped Cole Hamels get his mojo back.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Mojo?

Mojo Jojo?

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

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by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

The BABIP Fairy?

I agree, Bryz can probably use some assistance from her.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

dude’s getting so much hate for bad bounces

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

how many bad bounces can you have b4 it becomes something else…like coaching? or positioning?

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MICHAEL!

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by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It all fits, though.

The same people who voted in mid-February that Bob was going to be one of the all-time greats were saying by March that he wasn’t ready for the playoffs, and by the start of the playoffs they were arguing that Leighton couldn’t be any worse and should be the starter. In the summer they were thrilled to finally have a good goalie for the first time they could remember. And now they’ve turned on him a couple months later.

Some people just don’t understand that goalies vary over the month or even season timescale.

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But they’re OK with the volatility of goal scorers?

What’s most infuriating is that the local media helps lead the way with WIP and to a certain degree all the CSN articles and stories about how “he’s not earning his contract”.

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by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Goal scoring isn’t nearly as volatile, but no, they aren’t — don’t you remember all the gnashing of teeth about Briere’s lack of scoring earlier this year?

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I know, but it seems they accept the ups and downs of that more for whatever reason, depending on the amount of the contract, of course.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that’s only because it’s not as volatile, so the downs don’t last as long and aren’t as far down.

People were frustrated with Briere when he had 10 goals and 25 points through 35 games. The Bryzgalov equivalent would have been 4 goals and 10 points.

by Eric T. on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Brzy was very consistent in terms of SV PCT by month last season. Standard deviation of 0.01025 over 2x smaller than Bob’s 0.02086. 2009-2010 was also similar (0.01480347). And in 2008-2009 he was still under 2% STDEV. That is why I was excited to sign Brzy he was very consistent at high level over large number of starts.

Lundqvist for example was 0.00889 less than 1% in 2010-2011.

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by chrislanci on Jan 17, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting a coach to help him with his confidence couldn’t hurt.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it couldn’t, but thinking Bryz is struggling simply because he isn’t “confident” is failing to look at the problem.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I know that’s not the only issue, just as it wasn’t the only issue with Hamels. Just saying it couldn’t hurt. Heck, Bryz could be the most confident dude in the world…or not, I have no idea, because I don’t know him. I’m not trying to say he’s “soft” or anything, but his post-game interviews at least suggest a lack of confidence. That’s certainly only part of the problem, though, because it’s obvious he’s getting some bad luck right now.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO Bryz isn’t handling the bad bounces well, mentally. The flukey bounce goal goes in or the deflection and then that compounds into a bad goals that are is fault saves that he should make. He needs a thicker skin and to stop getting frustrated. The Flyers don’t need shutouts so who cares about 1 goal just stay focused and ensure you only let in 1 or 2 more.

Every game there is a goal that is flukey and goal that is the Brzy’s fault a goal that is bad defensive play and one goal that is just a great shot hat’s off the opposition nothing you could really do about. When the flukey goals stop Brzy is still at ~ 3 goals per game which isn’t good enough.

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by chrislanci on Jan 17, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen more invesitgative work in the Salem Witch Hunt Trials

It’s so obvious that they’re grasping for a story to alienate and captivate the non stats affiliated hockey fans

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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 17, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s like they’re playing a new game show called “Let’s Create a Narrative!”

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Wake up and smell the Barris people


He cornered the foil wrap market in ‘80.
That’s right kids…he makes the tin foil.

by j reed on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting a coach to help him with his confidence couldn’t hurt.

Jamie Moyer?

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Jan 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno. The shrink from San Diego that Cole Hamels went to. I don’t remember his name.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

El Guano Loco is day to day and out of tonight’s game with an upper body injury.
:(

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

With JVR out too, does this mean Mr. Shelley is back?

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

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by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Probably.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Man, stop getting me so excited for tonight’s game.

Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.

- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)

by iJewJitsu on Jan 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I just hope Bob starts.

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s not. Panotch put it on Twitter, Bryz is in.

"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"

by PraiseMartyMoose on Jan 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well that sucks.

I wonder how many “Bad Bounces” he will let in tonight?

My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.

by LegionofDoom on Jan 17, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes. Someone has to take the beating from Staubitz tonight.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

.

Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!

Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.

by reaper1221 on Jan 17, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

P. S. this can also be avoided if your pet doesn’t have claws. Save your ability to reproduce. Buy a gecko.

I heart our rookies.

"Who's more crazy? Who's more...weird?"

by LeepinLizardz on Jan 17, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

or a goldfish

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 1:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

When you realize that your head coach started all of this?

Priceless

"Start playing with some jam in here"

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 17, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s so much delicious irony in your sig.

"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn

by doubleh on Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

great quote made by a coach that i’ve grown to not like

"Start playing with some jam in here"

by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 17, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Rec’d so hard

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Jan 17, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Spending the afternoon trying to figure out where in my dorm room to stash all the boxes and bags from moving back in…fun.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 17, 2012 2:07 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

I never thought about attrition rates before until reading this MC79 article. Is there someone or some site that can break it down for forwards, defensemen and goalies? Just wondering what we can expect to get out of the “over-30’s” on the roster.

by mtitanic on Jan 17, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

I never thought of it either. It made me feel dumb, actually.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Funny, wasn’t it Timonen who said, about this time last season too, that there were communication problems with Bob and the D wasn’t comfortable with him in net?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Jan 17, 2012 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

I remember something about communication problems, but I don’t remember anything about “confidence”, “comfortable”, or anything like that.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 17, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm, I guess to me his comments implied not confident/comfortable. I don’t remember.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Jan 18, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t remember either.

Oh well.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  


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