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Revenge on Steve Staios? No, Jody Shelley shouldn't play tomorrow

Jody Shelley played hockey last night. He actually had perhaps his best game as a Flyer, too. Three hits, two shots on goal, positive shot differential, nearly 10 minutes in ice time. He remarked to Lisa Hillary of CSN that playing alongside Harry Zolnierczyk and Sean Couturier made him feel young again.

That's awesome. Shelley is a good dude, even with as much crap as we give him around here. It's nothing personal -- he just makes a lot of money to do a job that we feel isn't that important anymore.

But tomorrow night, when the Flyers host the New York Islanders, there might be room for the enforcer role. Steve Staios will come to the Wells Fargo Center, and after the understandable lack of response from the Flyers following his illegal hit on Max Talbot last week, and the frustrating lack of response from the NHL on the issue, he'll likely be in the crosshairs.

This is causing some to ask the question: Should Jody Shelley play on Thursday night?

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Alright, we'll bite.

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Preface: If Zac Rinaldo doesn't play, Shelley's automatically going to be in the lineup by default. Well, that is unless James van Riemsdyk makes a sudden return from concussion, which is highly unlikely.

But if there's a decision to be made between Shelley and Rinaldo or Shelley and whoever, Jody Shelley should absolutely not be inserted into the lineup for the desire of extra toughness. Reasons:

  • Shelley, on the fourth line likely won't match up with Staios, who plays primarily on the top defensive pairing alongside Mark Streit. You need to be on the ice at the same time as a guy if you want to exact revenge.
  • There are plenty of players who can step up to Steve Staios. Wayne Simmonds, Rinaldo, Braydon Coburn, Scott Hartnell, even Max Talbot himself. None of these guys would be afraid to make Staios answer for his dirty elbow.
  • Staios won't drop the gloves with Jody Shelley. It's the same "irrelevant" joke, right? Shelley is a tough guy. He can beat the living hell out of Steve Staios (who used to fight semi-frequently ... in 1998). But he doesn't get to fight him without Staios agreeing, and why in God's name would Staios agree to that? He'll skate away, just like Mike Rupp, and Shelley will either stand there or get suspended. There's nothing Shelley can do about this.

Jody Shelley's a good dude, but he can't really do much of anything when it comes to retribution tomorrow night. And despite his good game against Minnesota, Zac Rinaldo still contributes more than he does when it comes to the game of hockey. So if there's a choice between Shelley and Rinaldo (or any other forward or any other available forward in the organization, even), there's no question here. Put Jody Shelley in the press box.

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I like the way the Flyers have been using Shelley….once a month, then let him recharge for a month before he dumps all his energy into the next game. By the quality of his play (I use that term loosely, and in comparison to last year,) he seems to be playing better this year. Don’t have any hard stats to back that up, just the eye test.

by RogueConvict on Jan 18, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions  

Dress him, start him, and let him train wreck Staios on the first shift because I could really care less. The only thing I can seem to remember is that clown face smiling on the bench and really pisses me right off. You’re correct that wayne train and Coburn could probably handle him but Hartsy? I don’t think that’s a good idea..

by kckrebs on Jan 18, 2012 3:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Have you seen Coburn fight?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course I’ve sene him fight? I think he’s very underrated with his fists. If he faught more often he would probably beat a lot of guys up. Sorry maybe I should have said Coburn could definitely handle him, is that what you’re picking at?
But its not Coburn or Shelley, its Rinaldo or Shelley, and right now Jodizzle deserves another game. And saying that our coach can’t get him on the ice while Staios is out there at some point during the game is rather ridiculous in my opinion as well.

by kckrebs on Jan 18, 2012 8:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If they do play Shelley tomorrow, it won’t kill them. If this were the Rangers or another good team I’d be much more in favor of Rinaldo.

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by mikefive on Jan 18, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

Play Shelley if you think he can build on the last game. But Staios? Talk about irrelevant. Talbot and the rest of the Flyers are secure enough in their toughness and togetherness to focus on something that matters.

Now, if it’s a financial priority to please the fanbase with that kind of retribution, I get that. Just do it early and quickly so we can watch hockey afterwards.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

I’ve carefully considered all of your arguments and have decided that the Flyers won’t be thinking like this at all and will put Shelley in.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 18, 2012 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

Rinaldo’s a better player than Shelley and probably has more fighting majors than him this year. So if Rinaldo’s ready to go, play him.

But, to take a page from Coach Berube’s playbook, the Flyers shouldn’t target Staios at all. He’s a worthless piece of minimal cap hit anyway. Go after Tavares – early and often.

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by TNBrando on Jan 18, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

And if the Chief says so, especially about fighting, then it simply IS.

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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 19, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, that's classy

then we can go for Claude. What will that solve?

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by BobbyNystromOwnsYou on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Sit Harry Z. Play Rinaldo and Shelley! Mix it up baby.

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by MJDII on Jan 18, 2012 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Call up Sestito too and sit Schenn.

by hebrew hammer on Jan 18, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

lolz

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by archivald on Jan 18, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Shit sit Giroux he aint done shit in weeks!

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by MJDII on Jan 18, 2012 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You’re right! Hey I wonder if Toronto would be interested in trading him for Luke Schenn…

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by hintzy64 on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Better sweeten that deal, Schenn has tons TONS of upside.

by hebrew hammer on Jan 18, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Clawd Geroux SUCKS!

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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 19, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Trade Bryz and Bob bring back Boosh and Leights

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by Philly37 on Jan 18, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, Shelley looked pretty good last night, but with how the Wild played I think I would have felt comfortable and looked pretty good in that game. I agree, if Rinaldo can play then I want him playing. That smirking face does still piss me off though. A big hit or even Giroux making him look dumb/slow for a goal would be nice.

by Jaromir Lager on Jan 18, 2012 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Crazy is the new enforcer start Rinaldo tell him to go high and heavy for his 1st hit of the game.

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by chrislanci on Jan 18, 2012 4:26 PM EST reply actions  

Brings up a more interesting point.

Could/Would/Do teams pay players in a clandestine manner to make up for the lost suspension pay, if the player is doing something the coach asked him to do?

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by BannedStreetBully on Jan 18, 2012 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

yes

I know in baseball, the unwritten rule is if a pitcher hits a batter in retaliation for one of his own players getting hit, the guy who he’s protecting would pay his fine for him…by that logic, if Shelley jumps Staios and just goes to town on him…Talbot would pay Shelley’s fine

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by Down Goes Spezza on Jan 18, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I have argued in the past that Homer overpaid Shelly to cover the fines and suspensions and Talbot would therefore be off the hook.

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by chrislanci on Jan 19, 2012 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll say this

I was at the game last night and not happy to see Shelly in the line up. That being said, he played REALLY well, I was impressed with his all around game. He was physical but not stupid and handled the puck probably about as well as he can. If he continued to play the way he was I…dare I say it…not be opposed to seeing him in the lineup more regular…I really like Rinaldo, but it seems like he looks like he leaves his skates every hit and I’m surprised he doesn’t get nailed for more charging minors (or majors…).

Also, with the way the team played as a whole I wouldn’t touch a thing. Also ALSO. How long has it been since Hartnell has been in a good fight? I say if he nets a point or few early he should take him on if it gets to be the late first early second, later in the game makes little sense especially if they’re whooping ass and making the Islanders look silly (Redundant?)

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by WeDontWinTheLadyByng on Jan 18, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

Hartnell’s last fight was against Boston — about a month ago. He hasn’t fought much at all this year

by The Gang Wins the Cup on Jan 18, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

but it seems like he looks like he leaves his skates every hit and I’m surprised he doesn’t get nailed for more charging minors (or majors…)

For a second there I thought you were talking about Ovie.

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by JerseyDriver on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It has been made clear that this site believes the enforcer roll is obsolete. Then why publish articles asking why no one steps up for certain hits (referring to an article written couple of days ago)?

I personally feel it is absolutely needed but of course cant prove with numbers. I believe in the intangibles.

by Ronning on Jan 18, 2012 6:04 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

I am on the fence about this, but with the rising amount of head shots going about the league (because the suspensions are SOOO working to try and curb them), one would think that a player would want someone like that on their team. I would lean towards saying that if a team were to want an ‘enforcer’ to try to find a guy who will play on the 4th, but be VERY solid defensively and be able to PK well, but still be able to throw down.

At the same time though, I would like to see a team where it doesn’t matter what size differential or the type of player, if you see get someone a cheap shot, you stand up for your teammates.

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by WeDontWinTheLadyByng on Jan 18, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll make this simple:

You can stand up for certain hits without being an enforcer.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kind of trying to say that…But I’ve been trying to do the dishes at the same time and didn’t wanna soak a computer in soapy water

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by WeDontWinTheLadyByng on Jan 18, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you missed the point.

It’s not that there’s no need for retribution. (Mentioned above and in the article you cite that there’s plenty of need for it.) It’s that Shelley can’t be the one who retaliates. Staios won’t fight him, because there’s no point in fighting him. (Also illustrated this above, and in several other posts on the topic.)

What’s this about numbers? There wasn’t a single number mentioned in that story above, except when I was describing how strong of a game Shelley had last night.

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by Travis Hughes on Jan 18, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention that the article in question didn’t ask “how come nobody stepped up”; it answered that question, and the answer had nothing to do with enforcers and everything to do with Staios being on the bench for the rest of the game by the time people realized what had happened.

by Eric T. on Jan 18, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, it said some people are upset that nobody stepped up, and here are some reasons why that didn’t happen.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey just beat them 8-1 since the team really played like crap and it would be way more rewarding to win that way. To me the only guy who should challange Staios for me is Talbot since he was the one that got hit.

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by lcd24 on Jan 18, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You are beginning to read as defensive. the was not my intention. looking for some clarity on your stance is all. I mentioned numbers because it is easy to point to an enforcer and focus on lack of offensive output and penalty time. Those numbers typically, can win the arguement.

by Ronning on Jan 18, 2012 6:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

“Why publish articles… ?” usually conjures up a defensive response, yeah.

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by Travis Hughes on Jan 18, 2012 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There was also the fact that the question posed proved, by its very wording, that the questioner either didn’t read the article, didn’t understand the article, or misstated the purpose of the article. None of those three possibilities lend themselves to a good dialogue.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 18, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed, the wording of the original comment/question basically accused the masthead of hypocrisy and/or contradiction. So that leads to a defensive response.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that I disagree with the premise here, because I don't

But I think we’ve been milking the “Mike Rupp called Jody Shelley irrelevant” cow a bit too hard. A week before that game Zdeno freaking Chara dropped the gloves with him. One of the best defenseman in hockey was willing to, so I think automatically assuming that no one in the league is willing to just because Mike Rupp wasn’t is kind of short-sighted.

That said, I’d rather Talbot just go after him.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 18, 2012 6:41 PM EST reply actions  

It’s true that Zdeno Chara fought him. But that’s the exception and not the rule. Look at all the people who fought Jody Shelley last year. The best player in that group is Brian Boyle, who got an instigator penalty. The second best player is Mike Rupp (or maybe Deryk Engelland, if you hate Rupp so much).

Point being: Only one player has fought Shelley this year, and it was Chara. The best player to accept a challenge from Shelley before that was Mike Rupp.

It may be growing thin, and it may be sounding repetitive, but I don’t think it’s short-sighted at all. In fact, I’d say citing Zdeno Chara is short-sighted, since it ignore the pile of evidence behind the most recent fight.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If we’re splitting hairs here I’d take Chris Neil over Rupp too, but I get what you’re saying. Chara is certainly a rarity; just pointing out that it can happen, not necessarily that it will.

The fact that it was Shelley’s only fight this year is a bit discerning, yeah.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 18, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This was quite amicable :)

/shake

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that it was Shelley’s only fight this year is a bit discerning disconcerting, yeah.

FTFY.

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by mikefive on Jan 18, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

To get everyone reconcerted, remember that he’s only had 75 minutes of ice time this year. At last year’s fighting rate, that might have been two fights. So yeah, it’s low, but…just by one fight.

by Eric T. on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

And looking at his daily cap hit that means he cost the team … about a billion dollars per minute. Hence his obsolesence – not anything really to do with his ability as an enforcer, but more with the disuse of that particular role by the team. You can like (or dislike) Girlyname all you want, but the basic facts all point to his roster spot being wasted as currently utilized.

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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 19, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

No argument here on that point.

by Eric T. on Jan 19, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Samsies.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If Staios won’t answer the bell for his hit, then maybe the Flyers go after one of their guys. Dress shelly and have him pester one of their skill players all game. I could care less if we lose becuase Shelly skated against their top 2 lines and they scored a shit load.

There’s so much talk after losses about “it’s just one game”. Well, this is just one game. If it turns into a fight filled BS fest and we lose, it’s just one game. Maybe the Flyers could take a stand and say that if you run at our guys, we’re going to make you pay for it.

I know what the combacks are going to be… But, there are teams out there that somehow make other teams accountable (within the rules) for running at players.

by ThatsGoodKoolAid on Jan 18, 2012 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, “If you take a run at our guys, we’ll… give you two points! That’ll teach you to stop running our guys! Nobody wants points!”

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, “If you concuss Giroux, we’ll… take two points! That’ll teach you to not take out our star players! We’ll surely win the Cup!”

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by BannedStreetBully on Jan 18, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

See how ridiculous it is to go from “get revenge” to extremes?

Instead of saying “Just have Max challenge him to a fight like Booth did to Richards and get on with it”, KoolAid is perfectly fine with giving up two points to try and make some larger, more ridiculous point of “If you hit one of our guys, the referees deem it legal and the NHL deems it legal, we’ll lose our minds and give you two points the next time we play you.”

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think there’s a large gap between losing your mind, and keeping track of which guy is dirty.

Message sending is something I think should be reserved for playoffs, (PLAYOFFS???) but I do feel that there are times where the NHL judiciary system fails, and the players need to handle the matter themselves. It just so happens that quotes from various players and coaches support that thought.

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by BannedStreetBully on Jan 18, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

We agree. Which is why I mocked: “I could care less if we lose becuase Shelly skated against their top 2 lines and they scored a shit load.”

That’s just dumb. You can send a message without sacrificing a hockey game.

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 18, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m far more interested in wins than going after Staios and/or their skilled players to “teach them a lesson” and risk injury/suspension to our own players. I don’t give a fuck about the Islanders, I want to win. But that’s just me.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Either Rinaldo or Shelley needs to play and beat the shit out of Staios the second he hits the ice. Nothing dirty that will warrant a suspension, but a message needs to be sent that dirty hits on our players are not acceptable, and you will NOT come into our house without being punished. And if Shelley does get suspended then meh- no biggie, but that message needs to be sent. Go Flyers!

by Kanayd on Jan 18, 2012 8:27 PM EST reply actions  

Staios is worthless. I’d rather see Talbot harass Tavares all night than Shelley fight Staios.

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by TNBrando on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

If we dress Shelley, then it’s a rule that the Isles have to dress their best fighter and they have to fight at least once, right? #LifeInADonCherryWorld

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by TNBrando on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

How about Shelley and Dipietro fight in the trainer’s room and show it on the jumbotron between the 2nd and 3rd periods?

by youaretheman26 on Jan 18, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions  

Quick question about the last game

I didn’t get to focus while it was on, Gusstafason played it seems.

How did he look? I didn’t expect the Flyers to play him, but I’m very glad they did. Is he the 6th defenseman going forward?

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by Dr. Steve on Jan 18, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions  

out of curiosity…if Shelley dresses tonight, what’s to stop the Islanders from calling up Trevor Gillies and having him take on Giroux next time?

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by Down Goes Spezza on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

Same things. G would skate away, and if Gillies goes after him, you know there would be hell to pay on the ice, and depending on the severity of the incident, Shanaban justice. I think if Max is upset at the hit (which I still think was high) he can grind it out and get Staios to go if necessary. The best revenge is getting the 2 points and a big F.U. after you get them.

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by JerseyDriver on Jan 19, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

even Max Talbot himself

That’s be great. The Isles have been trying to get him to answer the bell for almost a year now, but he prefers to hide in his shell.

I find it interesting that it’s still being labeled an illegal hit despite no penalty, no suspension, and no clear evidence to the contrary. Can’t you guys just be happy taking points in 24 of 25 from us? Do you really need a pound of flesh on what may very well have been a good, hard clean check?

by afrosupreme on Jan 19, 2012 7:54 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

a good, hard clean check?

to the head

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