Regarding illegal game streams
by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2012 4:30 PM EST
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PrintFor many of us, pirated video streams are an unfortunate necessity of watching the Philadelphia Flyers play professional ice hockey, as the NHL simply doesn't allow us the ability to pay them for the product.
Maybe we don't get cable. Maybe we can't afford cable. Maybe we can't get it at all. Maybe CSN and TCN are unavailable in our area because we have satellite or something. Maybe illegal streams are our only choice.
There are a million different scenarios for a million different people, and the NHL needs to address these very legitimate problems. Watching illegal streams doesn't make you a hardened criminal -- it makes you a hockey fan with limited options. Do you think we want to watch illegal streams? Hell no. They suck. Bad quality, via less-than-reputable websites, etc.
The vast majority of us -- dare I say virtually all of us? -- would love to pay for an NHL GameCenter Live package that featuring just the Flyers, with no blackout restrictions or any of the other hold ups that prevent us from purchasing the GCL package or the NHL Center Ice package today. But we can't, because the league is still living in a pre-Internet era when it comes to those damned blackout rules.
Unfortunately, however, pirated video streams of games are still illegal, and in the spirit of our public opposition against SOPA yesterday, we need to stop allowing the facilitation of that illegal activity here on the site. That's not to say they're not still out there on the Internet or anything, and if you need them, you can certainly find them via any number of channels. We just can't allow BSH to be that channel any longer.
It puts us at risk, and if we don't want the government to come in with a heavy hand and blow up the Internet over this stuff, we need to do out part in policing our own little corner of the Internet. We'll be deleting any comments containing links to illegal streams or requests for said streams from here on out, and the offense will be treated like any other violation of the BSH Community Guidelines. Hope you understand.
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Frankly, I’m surprised you allowed it as long as you did; none of the other Philly SBN sites tolerate it.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Totally understandable
While it’s no fun to be the big bad guys stopping people from sharing that information, streams like that are part of the reason SOPA and PIPA get so much support in the private sector and on Capitol Hill. It may not be popular, but you guys are doing the right thing.
Ultimately, it seems certain entities are just begging for a reason to overreact and severely limit the internet. It’s best if we don’t give them anything to justify that.
Understandable.
Maybe allow an “in thread” warning before an official one, since not everyone may see this thread and the policy change? Or at least mention it in the game threads for at least a couple games?
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That won’t work if Vox Media is subpenaed, as they would ask for deleted posts as well.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Oh, that blows.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Deleted e-mails is how the SEC finds insider traders, and lawyers find evidence for harassment, etc. . Just saying.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Well, yeah. But I was talking more on the “Community Guidelines violation” aspect. If people don’t see the new rule as posted here, then they won’t know there’s been a policy change and could get a warning for something that’s been previously accepted. That’s why I suggested an extra warning or at least mentioning it in the game threads.
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Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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I am still banned from the cannon cause I called a guy a douche in June.
"When the Flyers win a playoff series, as they did this past year, is when you yell at me for being wrong? Because I said the Flyers won’t win a round'?
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by Mattx on Jan 19, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your ideas, I think I thought something else was being connoted (and maybe hinzy did too). You can’t nod and wink at this. The mods don’t have to be mean, but they do have to be consistent, and naming the illegal streams in the thread has to stop to be consistent (not just deleting them after someone has posted the location and everyone has gotten them and gone to them).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Nope, the consistency I agree with. Deleting them will happen as soon as can be noticed, but second offenses = actual official warning. A grace period is helpful for the first few games as some people don’t always read the entire thread closely, but it should be consistent.
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Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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By the way, Bud, I’ve been thinking about this kind of stuff the past day or so, and I’ve changed my stance on pirate websites. You were right. Sorry and thanks.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 19, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
No worries. FYI, I’ve been thinking about this stuff for a long time (like, believe it or not, more than 15 years) I don’t want to come down too hard on those for whom this is all pretty much a new thing.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Oh no, no, no. No nod and wink. They should be deleted right away. I just mean that people don’t get a temp ban on the first offense. Still delete the comment immediately and let them know, but hold off on official warnings and violations for a game or two until you know the word is out.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I won’t be in the thread tonight, but hypothetically if I was, I’d do the following for a few games: a) mention the new rules at the beginning of the thread, b) give in thread warnings to people who ask for streams until everyone knows the new policy, and c) delete any stream links immediately.
But since I can’t actually do that today, it’s nothing more than a recommendation. The other moderators can choose to modify the idea however they want.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 19, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Have fun tonight, hopefully I’m at the next game you go to.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Hopefully! I’m not sure when I’ll go to another one yet; these tickets were a surprise Christmas present from my brother. I haven’t seen anybody in like a year :(
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 19, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t seen anybody in, like, ever :p
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 19, 2012 5:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Take off the sunglasses.
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Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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I need them to protect my eye.
(true story, but too long to share on the mobile)
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 19, 2012 5:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No, it’s because I got hit in the eye with debris from fireworks.
I was at a July 4th baseball game, it was drizzling, they launched fireworks, some unspent fuel got into my eye, and apparently rocket fuel is somewhat acidic.
Bob.
Ack. That may actually be worse than stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork.
What I learned today: eye injury can be added to gastrointestinal problems and genital issues on the list of medical concerns that I shouldn’t inquire further about.
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I like your ideas here.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Showing that there was a history of enforced policy, and non-tolerance for shouting out the streams, would be a very good defense in a lawsuit .
Of course, the further that you enforce no streams (e.g. TGP bans people immediately!) the more likely posters are ticked off. Like DG, I urge the moderators to enforce consistently, but kindly.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
We’ll be doing it as follows:
- mentioning the policy at the start of the thread.
- hiding all links and requests for links
- official warnings from moderators jump into effect at the second offense
- bannings after that, just like the community guidelines outline
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Works for me.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Going to mention it in each game thread for the foreseeable future. Hoping it eventually just becomes a community policing thing like is the case with every other rule (cause yall are the best).
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
has the membership just been deputized?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 19, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
EVERYONE DRUNK WITH MASTHEAD POWER!
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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It’s a Shunning Party!!
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
so we all get a shanabanhammer?
by profoundnotions on Jan 19, 2012 7:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This move makes sense and is definitely the right call. Here’s hoping the NHL (and other media/entertainment organizations) wisen up and start offering some legal alternatives soon. It’s really the best way to fight piracy.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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David Stern disagrees. He thinks the best way to fight piracy is to increase the price of his product (NBA League Pass) even though he’ll be offering less games.
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I agree with this move.
Besides, Google is just as effective for finding pirated streams/porn.
Bleeding orange and black since birth. I really should get a doc to do some blood tests; this can't be normal.
I won’t recomend this. I’ve tried this many times before and there are alot of death traps out there.
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by darkside3744 on Jan 19, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Travis, I applaud your stance. In fact, I have been considering for the last 24 hours whether I should contact you privately to urge you to do what you have just done, for the very reason you are doing it.
For those who are concerned and annoyed by the situation (as he states above there are legitmate reasons to be ticked off by the NHL’s stance) I urge you to send e-mails to the league office. But, for those who are extremely eloquent, I also urge you to send one to the NHL general counsel. The lack of effective “redress” or options leaves the NHL in a potentially untenable position.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
References to sites without links outlawed? I suppose they’d be unless without someone asking, though.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Depending on how far people try to go when they’re on a witch hunt for sites harboring this sort of thing; telling people what site to go to can be just as bad as actually providing a link. People can argue that we’re still “enabling” the pirating sites
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 19, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, references are basically the same thing, I’d say.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 19, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. In some ways, the courts could perceive this as worse than every once in a while letting a stream slip out, because this could be looked at in a courtroom in a “conspiratorial” context.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
There needs to be a crime for conspiracy to stream to be prosecuted , not just conspiracy and a stream somewhere. As broad as the definitions seem to be, I don’t know if saying the name of a site could possibly be seen as illegal use of copyrighted material.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
What about references to non-specific streams? ex. The stream I am watching is really grainy, was there any blood drawn on that highstick? or I’ve only got the out of town stream and they are saying the puck was kicked in, what’s csn saying? I guess not mentioning that they are illegal would be the key, i could be watching GCL.
by DrunkHockeyFan on Jan 19, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ok fine, I’ll be that guy. If you are a BSH game thread regular and/or someone who is consistently dependent on illegal streams and you do not know what sites regularly host them, I’ve got nothing for you.
Also, we need to let it be known that opposition to SOPA is not a vote in favor of piracy. Piracy is bad. Do I use illegal streams sometimes because of things that are at the moment beyond my control (like my campus not carrying NBCSN on the only cable package it offers those living on campus)? Unfortunately, I have been left without a choice in that matter. But if these select games were available legally for a reasonable price, I would be more than willing to pay for it. But alas, NHL does not offer such an option and even if they did, their draconian blackout policies would still come into effect prohibiting me from watching the game.
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But if these select games were available legally for a reasonable price, I would be more than willing to pay for it. But alas, NHL does not offer such an option and even if they did, their draconian blackout policies would still come into effect prohibiting me from watching the game.
Right, Justin, and you are exactly the type of person I was thinking about who might want to write the general counsel. The courts do not look fondly on occasions when consumers are “forced” to engage in what would normally be proscribed behavior. (FYI, the fact that this type of stare decesis is blown up in SOPA is another reason to loathe that law). There has to be a way that it can be done legally (even if it costs $$).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Ok fine, I’ll be that guy. If you are a BSH game thread regular and/or someone who is consistently dependent on illegal streams and you do not know what sites regularly host them, I’ve got nothing for you. Also, we need to let it be known that opposition to SOPA is not a vote in favor of piracy. Piracy is bad. Do I use illegal streams sometimes because of things that are at the moment beyond my control (like my campus not carrying NBCSN on the only cable package it offers those living on campus)? Unfortunately, I have been left without a choice in that matter. But if these select games were available legally for a reasonable price, I would be more than willing to pay for it. But alas, NHL does not offer such an option and even if they did, their draconian blackout policies would still come into effect prohibiting me from watching the game.
Obviously, this impacts me as well – in my case it’s even worse because I live overseas.
Is there any way someone can message another on this site without having one’s e-mail being made public? (I realize the answer is probably “no”, but I’m grasping at straws here.) I have been a devoted hockey fan in general, and a Flyers fan specifically, for well over 35 years (e.g., I have clear memories of Dornhoeffer’s goal against the North Stars in the ‘73 playoffs (i.e., the one commemorated by the statue) – yes, I have been a fan since even before we won our Cups). Now, I have my usual sources for finding streams, and they usually work, but obviously not always. I’d hate to think that I couldn’t watch my very favorite professional sports team (esp. in the playoffs) just because I couldn’t locate an active stream. Streams are all I have to watch games.
Please excuse this prolonged rant – I completely understand why the policy of not announcing streams on the site has to be in place (and it definitely does need to be in place) – however, streams are the only source for games for me (and for many others on the site). Can anyone suggest a solution here? Thank you in advance.
#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)
by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 21, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
There’s no Private Messaging feature on this site, other than some users having an email or a Twitter handle in their SBN profile.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks anyway – I’ll improvise. :)
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by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 21, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
My email address is posted in my SBN profile. If people are absolutely desperate, they can shoot me an email and I’d provide them with my usual suspects (at least four, maybe five). However, that person can’t then take to the threads and post the links I gave them. It they do, then they will lose my service for anyone.
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anyone know where I can look up the hockey cards i have and what they are worth online? google isn’t really helping /noob
Gamecenter has other issues as well
I know you already get it, and it may be manageable to some degree to “self-police” on BSH, but the idea that you’d have to at all is the issue at hand, and it’s completely unmanageable at sites like Facebook, etc.
Should NHL Gamecenter Live finally address the blackout debacle, which meant that I could only watch 4 Flyers games in December!, they should also address a few other issues that will surely ire future subscribers as much as they do current ones.
Firstly, it crashes all the time! And they know it. Sometimes it’ll take 2 periods before they get it back together. In the meantime, you can’t get through to them on the phone because everyone else is calling, and even if you did, they’re “doing everything they can.” During which time of course, you’re frantically searching for the best pirated stream, continually trying to log back into Gamecenter, emailing their tech support and calling them on the phone. Some way to enjoy the NHL!?
Second, they have the rudest tech support people ever and awful policies when it comes to their screw-ups. In fact, the only thing that does work consistently over there is the monthly debit from my account! I’ve argued for compensation for the consistent crashes and other glitches countless times via email and over the phone and have gotten nothing! They flat out ignore the request online, every time, and both on the phone and online they spin the thing around to try to blame the problem on you and send you just this one liner as an explanation, “There was a temporary issue with signing into NHL.com and GameCenter Live that has been resolved.” That is, until it crashes and locks you out again 5 minutes later.
And lastly, they should offer a per game price of about $1.99. They’d rake in the money if they did this. So many people have to miss most games as life gets in the way of hockey sometimes, so the full subscription doesn’t make any sense; but these folks would almost definitely throw down $1.99 for a good quality feed than have to watch some crappy pirate feed any day!
Travis is right, it’s time for the NHL to come into the 21st century.
I think a per game price is an absolute necessity. If the AHL can do a per-game price for web streaming, surely the NHL can too. There’s no way I’m paying $6.99 for non-HD, shoddy in-arena camera work, but $4.99 for a CSNHD feed? I imagine those would go fast.
Plus, right now GCL doesn’t show any commercials during commercial breaks, only an NHL Shop image. Surely there’s a way for the NHL to convince teams ($$$) to let them sell commercials.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
I posted awhile back that doing stuff like this tempts those who really want to be legal, like me, to be illegal. It is not only stupid but bad marketing.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
For packages like GCL/CI
Why are there even blackouts for these? You are paying a fee for the ability to watch the game I would like to see GCL be exempt from blackout restrictions at least since the NHL should have the authority to show the feeds for games no matter whether or not they are televised in my area. I can understand that Cable/Satellite providers may not have that ability, but certainly the NHL should. Plus, I was under the impression that blackout restrictions only applied to games that were not already at full capacity, why then should I not have the ability to watch a feed of a game through a medium that I pay to have available? This is particularly aggravating to me in cases where due to other priorities on CSN Philly (the 76ers, cause the NBA is clearly more popular in this city than the flyers) the Flyers get bumped to TCN, which is only available in SD on FiOS (my cable provider).
I go Bananas for Wayne Simmonds.
The NFL blackout is only for games that aren’t soldout, since the NFL has a league-wide contract unlike the other three pro sports.
But the purpose of local blackouts is to protect (i.e. give money to) the network broadcasting the games. Rob Neyer answers it best when talking about how Alaska is blacked out from watching Seattle Mariners games.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
That makes sense, but what it does seems counter productive. It keeps the cable companies from having to be innovative to create better service, and takes away the possibility of incentive for the sports leagues to do the same.
I go Bananas for Wayne Simmonds.
Yup. I’m not agreeing with the policy, obviously, but that’s my understanding.
By the way, it makes sense in the NFL. It’s harsh and probably unfair, but at least it makes sense. If people in Jacksonville don’t care enough to sell out against Tennessee, why should CBS show that game in Jacksonville?
- Yes, I understand why they still should, but at least this policy has a “we don’t want fans staying home to watch the game on a network we get 1/30th of the contract from” element behind it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been to sites where the members e-mail each other the links. I dont think there should be a problem if someone asks for an email but this is not my fight cause I see all the games. I just fell bad cause I know what its like to be stuck somewhere and have the choice of stealing or not seeing your sport. Make no mistake illegal streaming is stealing it just doesn’t feel that way cause noones around to stop you.
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Center Ice
I pay for Center Ice every year and every year I am forced to see the other teams feed. I called DTV, I emailed the NHL and guess who is to blame for the constant away ice feeds?…………………… Yep, Comcast. I guess that may be the main reason why I hate Ed Snider so much. His company is screwing me.
I was also told by the NHL that this is also the reason why Flyers games are blacked out on NHL Network on DTV.
So once again, screw you Ed Snider.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
Yes, I also get DirectTV, NHL Center Ice, and also pay for the Sports package which gives me FSN games. And you’re absolutely right — it’s comcast and Snider. Even though I live in LOS ANGELES, I might see a handful of games a year with the Flyers announcers. I don’t suffer NHL network blackouts, But let’s face the facts — Comcast was built on the back of Prism.
I think the bigger question is how as consumers we’ve allowed ourselves to be snowed by our Lawmakers for years, who have granted monopolies to cable companies who provide us terrible service and little to no option or flexibility. Because I live in Los Angeles I see many more Flyers games than someone who lives in the Philly area, even though EVERY SINGLE GAME IS SOLD OUT. That is a disgraceful.
SOPA aside…
This isn’t the first time the content industry has reacted badly to a new technology. This from Jack Valenti, the head of the MPAA, in 1980 in front of Congress…
“I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.”
(Courtesy of @Germware at SCH)
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 19, 2012 6:48 PM EST reply actions
This. Note that while Travis is concerned that SOPA wipes out DMCA safe harbor, originally DMCA did not have safe harbor. All of this arguments are cyclical, and almost always they are driven by the movie industry.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I live up in Alaska and I am a diehard Flyers fan.we dont have TCN or CSN or any hockey channels up here for that matter unless you wanna pay about $200 a month for the hockey package,which is just outrageous,Sometimes the flyers play on VS channel,but now i think were done for th year with that.so it sucks because i have to stream all my games
I understand
But aren’t you basically saying that we can’t post links to streams anymore, right? I don’t have a problem with that, but thats just about all we can do, right? Well ,I guess we can’t complain when our stream goes down.
Bryz has low self esteem
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
But aren’t you basically saying that we can’t post links to streams anymore, right?
Right.
I don’t have a problem with that, but thats just about all we can do, right?
I don’t understand the question.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 19, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
ok where do we post stream then?
I pay $100 a month for DISH
$169 for NHL centre ICE.
Because I live in NYC I don’t get any ISLANDERS, NYR, NJ games ever unless they are on NBC/VS because of some greedy giant right wing cable companies that can’t decide on how many millions of dollars they want to charge. So that’s all those games I miss the Flyers play unless they are on one of the majors or I return to philly to watch.
So let’s put up a blog somewhere where we can post streams links. So I guess I won’t be watching the game tonight. That’s just great.
You have been watching the Flyers on streams for how long and you don’’t know of a web site that regularly hosts them? Seriously?
Use Google. Search past game threads. You can find your answers there.
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I’ll say this again: irc. Someone goes to freenode, sets up a channel. People simply need to share the channel name. Those that desperately need this service connect and join the channel, and if the same people who used to post the links are willing to continue to do the same in irc, everyone should be happy.
Ehh….that’s only moving the link to the streams one step further from BSH. “Oh, we won’t give you links to streams anymore, but here is a line to an irc channel where the links to the streams are.” I don’t think that’ll fly.
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um right wing?really? …..plz just dont…they are called corporatists and they dont have a wing they have money and thats it. btw hollywood(notoriously left wing) is all for sopa which is the whole problem
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Democrat Bob Casey co-sponsored the bill. Republican Michelle Bachmann opposed the bill. This really is not a right wing vs. left wing or Republicans vs. Democrats issue.
It’s people who know what they are talking about in regards to the internet vs. Hollywood/music industry/TV industry/sports leagues and people who don’t know what they are talking about in regards to the internet, to grossly over-simplify the conflict.
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I’m sorry that you a) have no legal means of watching the game and b) still have to ask where to find them if you’ve had this problem for this long.
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Not commenting on mixtery’s situation directly, but hintzy’s comment is exactly what I was saying above: stupid (and possibly “against public policy” as the legal folks like to say) to not give consumers a “legal” way to transact.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I’ve described my situation before in this thread and unfortunately had no legal means of watching a select few games, but at the very least I know at least 5 sites off the top of my head that host these sorts of streams and don’t have to beg in game threads. And if a situation were to arise where none of the sites hosted a stream, then that is usually a good indication that no streams are available for the game*.
*The only exception to this might be if you can only watch the game with StreamTorrent. I admit I did download it once and it fucked with my computer more than any of the ads on these sites ever have, so I quickly got rid of it and will never again download it.
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I’ll be that guy: I think this is disappointing. I understand why you are doing, but I disagree.
If the NHL wants to stop piracy, then they’ll have to offer alternatives. Until they do, fans need a way to watch the game, and if that includes streams, than that is what it should be.
It doesn’t affect me since I live in Lancaster and I can watch all the games, but I can’t imagine being in a situation where I can’t watch a game.
If I can paraphrase a repeat of what Justin’s been saying…..of all the value that you get from your time at BSH, links to streams is pretty low on the “uniqueness” scale. I go to google and type a couple of words that would be an obvious search term if you are looking for hockey streams or NHL streams or NHL game streams and voila. .
If BSH had the ability to ban members from streaming games in other open tabs in your web browser then it would be a different matter. All they’re saying is you’re on your own.
I don’t need BSH’s help with streams. I need their help telling me that my narratives are biased, that Syvret should be in the Hall of Fame, etc.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
that Syvret should be in the Hall of Fame
Ben! Why didn’t we think of this first??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
The BSH Hall of Fame.
DSOD would be the first inductee. Who else would be there? :-))
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Randy Jones.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
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lost like 60% of their business for being willing to bend over for SOPA… just saying…
This isn’t bending over for SOPA, though, it’s more protecting ourselves. Plus it’s easier to just get used to it now, because it could very well become SBNation policy at some point anyway.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Did you read our thing about SOPA at all yesterday? Or this post?
SOPA fucking blows, there’s no bending over for it here.
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by Travis Hughes on Jan 20, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
There is a difference between supporting SOPA and being against piracy. Not every vote against SOPA is a vote for piracy.
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*difference between opposing SOPA and being a against piracy. Obviously, those that support SOPA are against piracy.
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Here’s what it comes down to: We understand a bunch of yall use and need streams. They’re really easy to find on the Internet. Just find ‘em elsewhere, that’s all.
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I completely understand the point of this post, you guys need to protect yourself and starting now to fix the behavior is a good idea.
I do think people have a point when asking about generic references to their stream.
No links, no sites mentioned – what’s the policy on those BSH readers commenting on their stream lagging or being grainy or on being the home or away feed, etc.
As people have pointed out, there are legal ways to stream games online (one that hasn’t been mentioned yet is slingbox) but people could still be having the issues listed above with such methods and want to ask for more information from other BSH members.
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In my opinion….
a) “My stream sucks… guys what just happened? I couldn’t see it” – This would probably be okay, just don’t tell us which one it is.
b) “My stream sucks, how do I find a better one?” – Not allowed.
c) “I’m having trouble with [GCL/my Slingbox/anything else known to be legal], do any of you guys know anything about it?” – I’d guess that’s fine, it’s a legitimate question about a legal service.
I don’t think it’s on us if you generically complain about a grainy stream, as long as you don’t say what server it came from, or how you found it, etc. The problem is we can’t let you do anything to help other people find the same stream you’re watching. Travis can probably clarify that.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, “b” is an obvious one, and I completely agree with your entire comment.
I was mostly referring to your scenario “a”, and also just sharing how bad the other teams commentators are and the like.
Frankly, you get to listen to horrible commentators from legal methods all the time, including the odd game I have to catch on SiriusXM.
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- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
And in my view, it’s always legal to say “My paid-for-with-good-money-I-think-may-not-have-been-a-good-idea GCL stream stinks because Bettman is Bettman and he doesn’t let me watch what/when I want to watch and he outsources the technical aspects to freaking amateurs who are some sort of low cost providers”
/said above statement to myself numerous times
//legal unless something like SOPA is passed, anyway
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Ok I have read what I could about SOPA (which has been declared effectively dead now) but apparently I missed something. That statement would be illegal after SOPA? How so? No pirating is going on in this scenario. Color me purple. I mean, confused.
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- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Something like SOPA (emphasis added)
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Espn.com game threads
almost always have links to streams.
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by Pelti on Jan 21, 2012 5:22 PM EST via Android app reply actions
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