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Winter Classic 2012 preview: Flyers top line needs to solve Rangers defense

In two games against the New York Rangers this season, Claude Giroux has zero points. In one game against the Rangers, Jaromir Jagr has zero points. In two games, Scott Hartnell has one point ... a secondary assist on an Andrej Meszaros power play goal.

If you want to understand why the Flyers haven't been able to beat the Rangers this season, there's your answer. The most potent offensive player in the league, and his two comrades, have been completely shut down by Henrik Lundqvist and the New York defense.

And we can talk all day about the elements and the atmosphere and all that stuff, and how it'll impact the game. But really, to me, this game comes down to this battle between the Flyers' top line and the Rangers attempts to stop them.

In the two games at Madison Square Garden, John Tortorella had the home ice matchup advantage. He used it to get his top pairing of Dan Girardi and Ryan McDonagh out against the Giroux line, and they've had a ton of success in shutting them down.

At home, the Flyers need to win that matchup battle. With Marc Staal still out of the lineup, Michael Sauer down with a concussion and Steve Eminger now out for a few weeks with a shoulder injury, there are holes on the Rangers defense when you get past that top pairing. Michael Del Zotto has been really strong as the No. 3 defenseman, but overall, there's an area of weakness there that Giroux, Jagr and Hartnell can hopefully exploit.

UPDATE: There are rumors swirling that Marc Staal could play, so we'll just mention that that's a possibility and keep it at that. Obviously, that would throw a wrench into things, and who knows how he'd play if he does indeed see the ice. Also, McDonagh has the flu, but will still play, so that could impact things.

Lineups after the jump. They're based on the Pittsburgh game, and therefore totally subject to change on Peter Laviolette's whim. In goal, it'll be Sergei Bobrovsky vs. Henrik Lundqvist.

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Flyers Projected Lineup

Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
Read - Briere - Simmonds
Talbot - Couturier - Voracek
van Riemsdyk - Schenn - Zolnierczyk

Timonen - Coburn
Carle - Bourdon
Meszaros - Lilja

Injuries/Scratches: Zac Rinaldo (healthy), Jody Shelley (healthy), Erik Gustafsson (wrist), Chris Pronger (concussion)

Rangers Projected Lineup

Callahan - Richards - Hagelin
Anisimov - Stepan - Gaborik
Dubinsky - Boyle - Mitchell
Prust - Rupp - Fedotenko

McDonagh - Girardi
Del Zotto - Stralman
Bickel - Woywitka

Injuries: Wojtek Wolski (sports hernia), Steve Eminger (shoulder), Michael Sauer (concussion), Marc Staal (concussion)

It's a pretty big day, huh? Remember, it's a 3 p.m. game time. Our thread will be up at 2 p.m., and you can tune into the pregame show on CSN at that same time. The action begins on NBC a little after 3 p.m., and if you're not near a TV, you can listen on 94WIP.

Go Flyers. Big game, and that has nothing to do with it being at Citizens Bank Park.

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Let’s. Go. Flyers.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 2, 2012 11:51 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Clap clap clap

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by JLS89 on Jan 2, 2012 1:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Apparently NBC is streaming the game online

Has anyone watched a game in their online player before? Wondering if the quality is ok.

by Rico_Suave on Jan 2, 2012 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Their SNF games are usually pretty good quality

by phillies0100 on Jan 2, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

This.

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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal

by Bud in TN on Jan 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched last year’s game against the Blackhawks on their live stream – one of the only games I was able to see “live” – and the Olympics two years ago via NBC and was impressed. Good quality for online streaming.

Bob > Bryz

by KT_pucks35 on Jan 2, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

yea the quality is very good, they also have other camera angles you can choose from which is cool

by bige120291 on Jan 2, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, so I wouldn’t have had to deal with them dicking around with stupid camera angles on TV?

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Jan 2, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I call SSS on the thing about Giroux having no goals in two games and Jagr having no goals in one game.

In the game Jagr played, his Corsi was +8, Giroux’s was +4, and Hartnell’s was +10.
In the game Jagr didn’t play, Giroux’s Corsi was +8 and Hartnell’s was +9.

These guys haven’t been shut down by any means; they just haven’t found the net yet. Emphasis on yet.

by Eric T. on Jan 2, 2012 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks, that makes me a bit less nervous

by phillies0100 on Jan 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say something about score effects but that’s still pretty interesting, since in that first game it seemed like Giroux was just invisible out there.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The team was a combined +11 Corsi in the two games, so they were a plus with those guys on the ice and a minus with them off it, which doesn’t scream score effects.

Or we can just look at the score-close situations via timeonice — in the first game, Giroux’s score-close Corsi was +5 and Hartnell’s was +4; in the second, Jagr’s was +6, Hartnell’s was +8, and Giroux’s was +6.

by Eric T. on Jan 2, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

A question: when you want to find pages like that, is there somewhere you can go and just plug in the game number, or do you just have to use a URL and manually edit that?

Just curious, since the main timeonice.com page only links you to the shift charts.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

You have to edit the URL, unfortunately. Red Army Line wrote a how-to on what edits to make, but there’s no clickable interface yet.

by Eric T. on Jan 2, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

We often have a hard time stopping other teams 1st lines by Corsi. By scoring chances, it’s a sea of red against 1sts and most 2nds too. The Rangers abuse 3rd and 4th lines like nobodies business though.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Urgent request

Apparently, all of the on-line sites I normally use to watch sports games are either not working or aren’t showing either game I want to watch today (the other being the PSU bowl game).

Is there anyone who has any suggestions? I usually use this or this

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance! :)

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 2, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Borrowing a TARDIS and getting to the US?

The only thing I could think of would be using an IP hider and watching the NBC stream someone mentioned above.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 2, 2012 12:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

That’s what I’ll do for the Flyers game. What I really need right now is one for the bowl game.

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 2, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You must not be here much.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I don’t comment much, no. But if this is what it takes I’ll be here every damn day, haha.

by Joewade on Jan 2, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It doesn’t come up every day but we do have two Brits and a handful of Who fans.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Anglophile to the nth degree here.

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Jan 2, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

My Autocorrect tried to replace NBC with BBC.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

smart autocorrect.

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Humongous Big Network

Snidely just diversified with the Bob Broadcasting Company? I wonder if the Bryz contract includes any clause about “conduct detrimental to the team.” He was clearly warned about speaking out of turn with the media, and crowing about his benching before Lavvy spoke to the troops is a big nyet-nyet.

by Lesion of Doom on Jan 2, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Giroux’s not English.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 2, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

i can make exceptions. i did for you, right? :)

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Jan 2, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m part English. Not much, but there is some English in my family tree.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you kindly! :)

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 2, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

…and wouldn’t you know it…your link goes to my original link that isn’t working… :-/

I’ll keep trying – does anyone else have a link?

#1 Flyers fan in England (originally from Southeastern PA)

by Orange and Black Forever on Jan 2, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

did you try espn.com? they are streaming it on espn3.com

by bige120291 on Jan 2, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Might be able to watch. I’m plowing through the finals essays today, which is quicker than regular essays because i don’t make comments. lol.

LET’S GO FLYERS!!

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Jan 2, 2012 12:03 PM EST reply actions  

Holy shit, that we have 4 solid to strong lines is freaking awesome. we don’t get handcuffed with pylons on the 4th line and all 3 lines have the ability to light it up on any given night.

by captj on Jan 2, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

Watching the Pre-Game right now on nhl.com and seems good.Everything is in place,let’s win this one.

Clockwork Orange 10/11

by Giroux is God on Jan 2, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Pierre is still creepy as ever.

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Jan 2, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I know its a minor detail, but isnt Schenn on the 3rd line and Couturier on the 4th?

by Anders Jensen on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

True.

Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.

Matt Read for Calder!

Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.

Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates

by Chemistry66 on Jan 2, 2012 12:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

bloody freakin hell

i hate students sometimes.

It's a new season, and I'm damned excited! ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com

by f2yers8 on Jan 2, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Ladies and Gentlemen,

It’s grilled cheese time.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Jan 2, 2012 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

Yes! I was close to the sandwich shop with amazing grilled cheese today but didnt get it. Halftime adventure!

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by JLS89 on Jan 2, 2012 1:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

there’s no halftime in hockey.

by ian p on Jan 2, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh, indeed it is. I should make one.

by Flyers#13 on Jan 2, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Staal is confirmed in, per Tortorella’s press conference.

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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

After this monstrosity of a Penn State game, a win here would be really, really nice.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Houston won 24-7 and Keenum threw for 380 yards.

Oh wait, that was the first half. Just reached halftime.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa.

Sorry about Penn State (on several levels), but you’ve got to tip your hat to U of H.

by light_the_lamp on Jan 2, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Hope we get the win.

I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.

by Christopher A on Jan 2, 2012 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Marc Staal is in

Its all about the []_[]
#FirePaulHolmgren

by philiafan14364 on Jan 2, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Awww, Marty.

What3v3r.

by ww2b on Jan 2, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

Plus – discovering I have the NHL Network to watch the lead-up to the game. Minus – being reminded how annoying Barry Melrose is as an “analyst.”

by adlib19 on Jan 2, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

He’s both an analyst and a therapist.

Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced

by hintzy64 on Jan 2, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And like most multitasking, he sucks at both.

Bob.

by The Dark on Jan 2, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  


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