Winter Classic 2012: Lundqvist, Rangers beat Flyers, but memories more important than two points
by Travis Hughes on Jan 2, 2012 9:33 PM EST
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PrintPHILADELPHIA -- It wasn't the outcome we hoped for, nor was it the outcome it seemed we were going to get midway through today's Winter Classic, but when all's said and done, it's hard not to sit here and be happy about the way the 2012 event at Citizens Bank Park turned out.
Sure, the Flyers blew a two-goal lead, and they absolutely couldn't beat the brick wall that is Henrik Lundqvist. At least not outside of a 1:51 stretch during the second period.
And yeah, the several thousand or so Rangers fans left the ballpark all smug, with huge smiles on their faces. They have a four-point lead in the Atlantic Division, they've beaten the Flyers three times already this season, and they're a really strong hockey team that seems to have our number.
But as big as this game was for the Flyers, the lasting memories of a pretty incredible weekend are more important than two points in the standings.
- Packing 46,000-plus people into the ballpark for a game between a bunch of old people.
- Seeing Eric Lindros pull on a Flyers sweater with a smile on his face.
- Putting on a perfectly executed Main Event that couldn't even be derailed by manufactured Philly fan controversy.
- Watching old white dudes dance to The Roots during the second intermission.
- Getting the opportunity to celebrate the game of hockey and the history of the Philadelphia Flyers in what's become the modern-day sports cathedral of our city.
No matter if you were able to make it down to Citizens Bank Park or not, this experience rubbed off on all of us. The list could go on and on, but no matter what your favorite memory of Winter Classic Weekend 2012 turns out to be, it'll stick with you much more than a 3-2 loss to the Rangers in Game 37 of the regular season.
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Bullet points and no acronym? Say what?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
PSPWG is clearly a statement about how awesome Sony is.
Duh.
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Well I think it’s something related to Tim McManus’s twitter handle.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
And in other hockey news...
RNH will not return to the game after suffering a shoulder injury.
- From the Oilers official account.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I disagree, the two points are more important then the memories. To the team anyway, I would be pissed if the players were happy about the game since it was a pretty weak effort in the 3rd.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
To the team, sure. But we’re not the players, we’re fans. And the sun is still going to come up tomorrow.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, there’ll be sun.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love ya, tomorrow
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I’m sorry, I have no idea what it is about that song, but I can’t stand it. ::shrugs::
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
try being musical theater
Everyone hates it; that’s the point.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
by doubleh on Jan 2, 2012 10:44 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I love musicals and attend and perform (orchestra) in them regularly, but that one does nothing for me. My high school did that show one year and I flat out refused to be in the pit for it.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I hope so. I have stuff to do.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, The universe is pretty big, and those problems compared to ours… Be happy.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
by JpH89 on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
Watching old white dudes dance to The Roots during the second intermission.
Please tell me you saw Questlove bitchslap Carchidi after the game, Twitter-style.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 9:43 PM EST reply actions
I’m still pissed. Not because of the format but because in an important game against a formidable opponent we lost. It’s sobering but I’ll get over it as I have after all the other tough losses. Fuck the rangers.
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And I’m mad at briere and will be for sometime. There is nothing wrong with expecting more from players when the team needs them. Yes shootouts are not certain circumstances but talent needs to prevail. And I will hold him to this and I have the right as a fan.
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It’s OK to be mad at him, but I don’t think he’s more responsible for this loss than Bob or the defensive breakdowns that lead to the other goals against.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
In whole your right, but even after those situations he had essentially the last chance to make it right. He failed.
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A lot of folks failed, dude. It’s a team game.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
In last 17 seconds I guess your right.
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Unfortuantely shootouts/penalty shots are situations where talent can’t prevail.
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So the save was luck?
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All of this evidence supports that notion that we can treat the NHL shootout as a coin flip. Now this does not mean that a coach should send out any random player. What it means is that for the shooters that are selected-the best on each team-and the goalies in the NHL there is not enough evidence after five years of performance data that among these players any one is better than another at the shootout. This is not to say that there is not skill involved in the shootout. Rather the skill is vastly overwhelmed by the noise and, so, the shootout is a crapshoot.
There is talent in a shootout, but the randomness overwhelms it to the extent that the outcomes are like a crapshoot.
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Again......
I understand this you have spouted it ad nauseum. I am mad cause my highly paid star failed. All the ills of the day could have been erased but he did not prevail. I’m mad about it. It wasn’t all Leighton’s fault we lost the cup but you made it your mission to bury that guy for an entire year afterwards. You were mad I understand.
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When did I ever say it was Michael Leighton’s fault the Flyers won the Stanley Cup?
All I ever said is Michael Leighton is hardly an NHL caliber goaltender. And that opinion hardly comes from one goal in an overtime.
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Research has shown that, given a sufficient sample size, husbands tend to forget to put out the garbage more or less equally. Doesn’t matter how great the husband is. Doesn’t matter how gross or overflowing the garbage is. But when it’s your husband who forgets to take out the garbage, especially in the last minute of the game, you’re pissed. Has nothing to do with the random nature of the failure. It’s what you married him for and he failed. Bastard.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 2, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Perhaps his name is Fear-speak for “left wing”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
On this day, Lundqvist’s talent prevailed over Briere’s talent. So, talent did prevail – just not the talent we wanted.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pissed at Danny, but not just the shootout, he’s been having a pretty bad year as a whole. With the way Bryz has played, and how Danny and JVR have played, I wonder if the Flyers would have made the trades if they somehow knew?
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
I wonder if the Flyers would have made the trades if they somehow knew?
If they knew that after making the trades, on January 2, they would be battling for first place in the Eastern conference?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Great point. The way Richards & Carter have played, not much room for regret here other than Bryz. I for one kind of like his quirky personality. He is so emotional, for me it’s a good thing as it shows he cares, and will work very hard to improve.
That being said, Lundquist is the man and doesn’t even know what the word Emotion means.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
Richards trade I’m still unsure about. At this point in time we have won the Carter trade and it’s not even close. Things could change there if we let Voracek go for not much, but at the moment that was a very solid trade.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
How much of that is hindsight though because Carter has been injured? If he is never traded, who knows if the injuries pop back up.
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Unless he’s still hurt – and who knows really – 17 goals in 27 games still isn’t quite enough to make me want him back over Couturier/Voracek/Cousins
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
17 points? 17 goals would be nasty.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
17 points
10 goals, 7 assists.
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and the assist number in particular boggles me, considering he’s playing with Rick Nash
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Nash isn’t having the greatest of years if I recall. CLB isn’t a team I check too often though haha
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
And rightly so. I really only check Carter’s stats occassionally. After that I can happily read articles on Couturier.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
yep points haha
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
They probably would have traded for Rinne instead.
As for JVR, he’s playing hurt. He’s going to get surgery after the season. We’ve been through this.
Also, much like Bob, he’s 22 years old.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
As for JVR, he’s playing hurt. He’s going to get surgery after the season. We’ve been through this.
Even considering he’s playing hurt, he played well today. Todd had him at 5 scoring chances in the second period alone. This is really not the game to hate on him.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
If JVR is this hurt he should sit and get surgery now. Let players that are healthy and not hurting the team play. Right now the guys playing on the 4th line, poorly at that.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
With whom would you suggest they replace him? He’s still more talented than anyone else they have in the AHL.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Even considering he’s playing hurt, he played well today. Todd had him at 5 scoring chances in the second period alone. This is really not the game to hate on him.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Chances? Cool, that just means he didn’t score the easy ones. That what that stat tells me.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
You should start hating Couturier then too. He was fairly beastly on the even strength scoring chances tally earlier this season, but had hardly any goals.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Couturier is a 4th liner too, but at least he can play D and PK. Plus, he’s 18 and a rookie. JVR has had a good 2nd half last year, and the rest of his career has been “meh” at best.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
35 points in his rookie season. Rick Nash had 39 points in his rookie season. Bobby Ryan scored 10 points in 23 games before being sent down to the AHL. Even a surefire #1 pick like Stamkos only had 46 points.
You could say his sophomore year was disappointing – but then he had that playoff campaign and showed plenty of potential.
So the last two seasons haven’t been terrible by any means. Yes he should’ve made the jump to a higher level this season. Guess what: he did. Before he was injured he was on a great points pace. Then he got injured and he’s struggled.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Holmgren’d
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 2, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
christ that’s funny.
“that’s almost $300,000 a year.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 2, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
JVR was 20 and coming from a college program; Nash and Stammer were 18 so you’re right, but they came from the Canadian juniors which we all agree are more effective at preparing players for the rigors of an NHL season.
Anyway, my point was that his rookie season wasn’t all that bad. It’s not like Nash and Stammer had particularly terrible rookie seasons. I picked them because they’re both some of the best players in the entire league and didn’t have amazing rookie campaigns.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
How do you think he hurt the team today? How on earth is he apparently now worse than a fourth liner?
First goal was on Mez
Second goal was on Bob
Third goal was on G
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
He’s played like 7 minuets a game the past few games. Thats Shelley time right there
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
Since you can’t quite get this I apparently need to SHOUT and use Phillies analogies
THIS IS SIMILAR TO ROSS GLOAD’s INJURY WITH SOMEONE WHO IS SHANE VICTORINO TALENT.
It is what it is. Won’t be worse. But he looks bad on the ice sometimes, especially with much ice time and he will be out the season if he has surgery now .
And in any case, today is a dumb day to be calling him out since he was great today.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Again, if its that bad, I say get surgery now. If he plays like this the rest of the year, he’s worthless.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
NO
THIS IS SIMILAR TO ROSS GLOAD’s INJURY WITH SOMEONE WHO IS SHANE VICTORINO TALENT.
It is what it is. Won’t be worse. But he looks bad on the ice sometimes, especially with much ice time and he will be out the season if he has surgery now .
AND he is BETTER than other 4th liners even with surgery.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
surgery.
injury
Obviously, I am surprised at your seeming inability to understand this, since your posts, here and on TGP, are usually insightful.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I’m just saying, the way he’s playing, is not helping. If he’s hurt I understand, but wouldn’t it make more sense to get the surgery now and be back when it matter? Thats how I see it.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
I’m just saying, the way he’s playing, is not helping.
WHAT? See above. He is still playing better than other players who would take his place…Shelley? Rinaldo? Even with the injury. The decision is not “is he doing great” but “is him playing hurt where he can’t hurt himself worse better than other options available”.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
But who cares in his role? Rinaldo and Shelley ARE 4th liners, JVR is supposed to be a top 6 guy. The move to play him hurt makes no sense, because they are basically just wasting his talents.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
Now you are circling.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I’m just saying that if JVR is hurt, it makes no sense to play him. Let him recover if its this bad, cause I’d rather have a healthy JVR for the playoffs over 4th line hurt JVR.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
Just so we’re all on the same page here, his Corsi in the last four games was +7, +8, -3, and +2. He had a goal and no penalties in that period. And I don’t know how he did in the other games, but Todd said he created a lot of scoring chances today.
You’re proposing that he be benched in favor of Rinaldo (Corsi of -17 per 60) or Shelley (-13 per 60). Or maybe Holmstrom (-50 this year, -37 last year).
I just don’t see how you think he’s hurting the team or debatably worse than the AHLers. And without that, the only reason to sit him is your presumption (which I haven’t heard elsewhere) that his injury can’t heal unless he rests.
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I agree there – I would like to see him back for the playoffs no longer injured rather than what we’re going through here.
Only reasoning I can think of for the Flyers decision is that maybe the surgery will keep him out for longer than the regular season; or maybe they’re afraid it will hurt his development to miss that much NHL game time.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to see him back for the playoffs no longer injured
This is where we are all stymied by Homer et al in their injury silence. If it is like Gload’s injury, I don’t think the timeline works well. But we are to some extent shooting in the dark on this point.
If this was a hand injury or a foot injury, you bet, have surgery now
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Only reasoning I can think of for the Flyers decision is that maybe the surgery will keep him out for longer than the regular season
But my thing is, if its gonna keep him out long term, then keeping him now just means he’ll miss time going into next season.
"I'm terrible" - Ilya Bryzgalov
Say he misses five months, in that case it is probably better to have the surgery in the offseason and miss the preseason and first few weeks of the next season.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
This is your only post on this subject that has possible merit. But we can’t know the timeline basis (see my above post).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
we didnt give him a new contract so he can play slightly better than a fourth liner..give him his surgery now so he can be back for the playoffs when it matters…will this surgery really have him out and off all ice for 4 months?
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13 minutes today
10 minutes against Pittsburgh
13 minutes against Tampa
Where are you getting your ice time stats?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, you’re giving Shelly 7 minutes a game? I don’t want you coaching any team I like.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Shelley’s average TOI thus far this season is 4:42. JVR’s is 15:27. The past 5 games (not including today) he had 9:36, 12:51, 12:56, 17:58, and 16:16. Not even close. Even his lowest in that stretch is double Shelley’s average ice time. Try again.
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It’s been bothering me so I wanted to rewatch the 3rd goal. Giroux’s certainly partially (or ultimately as it were) at fault, but the whole series there is a cluster-F defensively.
As Callahan collects the puck, there are 4 Flyers for 3 Rangers. Meszaros engages Callahan behind the net. The spot he empties should be covered by JVR, but he’s standing by the dot not doing much. Meanwhile, Lilja is standing in front of Bob, literally spinning around looking for someone to cover, eventually spotting Dubinsky who has been left alone.
If JVR cycles down, Lilja would’ve been free to cover the spot where Richards ultimately scores. Yes, Giroux was closest and made a mistake as well, but the coverage broke down before that.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Spot on.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. I hadn’t looked at a replay after the game but thanks for that.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
This describes a number of the recent defensive breakdowns, fyi. Sometimes seems like the Flyers know what to do on the forecheck, but get confused on the backcheck.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
ive got to disagree..g tried to cover 2 people while hartnell stood by himself for 5 seconds at least watching the whole play unfold
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I don’t see G trying to cover anybody, actually. I see him staring at the puck.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Defense
Which two people is Giroux guarding in this 3-on-4 down low? Hartnell can at least be said to be guarding a point.
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i remember him going behind the net to help out the low man and then trying to slide back out…id rather hartnell leave the point open cause a point shot is much easier to save than a left to right or right to left shot.
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He went behind the net to help with a man who was already well-covered and never got within six feet of that man. My second screenshot above is about as close as he ever got — you can see he’s not yet trying to recover, and the puck has already been passed to the guy on the post.
That person is about to send to Richards, at which point Giroux will realize Richards is wide open and try to get back, but the shot is already on its way in before he even gets across the goal line:
That’s not “trying to cover two men”, it’s floating towards a covered guy, leaving your man open, and then realizing that he’s about to score.
Like you, I also would rather leave the point open than leave a guy open at the post, but with a 3-on-4 down low, Hartnell shouldn’t have to make that choice.
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by Eric T. on Jan 3, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im not saying giroux didnt mess up but i do think hartnell should make the chice between covering a guy who is guaranteed a goal or covering the point where the pass has to come all the way out and make it through traffic back in
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In the first photo above (14:43), Giroux is the one covering Richards, right?
In the second photo above (14:42), Giroux has just left his man. At this point, Hartnell is looking at the puck and doesn’t sense the danger. But even if he did, I’m not sure he could get even halfway to Richards before Richards buried the puck at 14:41.
If Hartnell had initially positioned himself the way JvR did, floating at the bottom of the circle instead of covering the point, he might have been able to get to Richards. But if he’s going to cover the point when Giroux is on Richards, then he’s not going to be able to get to Richards when Giroux decides to leave him.
With four Flyers already down low (and only three Rangers), I prefer having him up top to start the play. If Giroux’s going to leave Richards then Lilja will have to pick him up and JvR can get Lilja’s man.
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No, you said
ive got to disagree..g tried to cover 2 people while hartnell stood by himself for 5 seconds at least watching the whole play unfoldand these screenshots show that’s not even close to true. G is clearly the one who is supposed to be covering Richards here. As Eric said, it would take Hartnell too long to get there after G leaves his man, since he’s covering the point, and you end up with the same result.
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seeing it slower now i recind the part about g covering to people, when i saw it in person it seemed that way
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Incidentally, I think there’s a better explanation than “all of the forwards suddenly got really lazy”.
The goal was scored 5:21 into the third period. Hartnell, Giroux, and JvR had played nearly half of that time (2:28). In succession, they had a 52-second shift, a 43-second rest, a 28-second shift, a 67-second rest, and were 65 seconds into this shift when the goal was scored.
I think they were just plain tired, and don’t see why the coach would ask that much of one line in a tie game on a team with four solid lines.
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I think they were just plain tired, and don’t see why the coach would ask that much of one line in a tie game on a team with four solid lines
Lavy has struggled with fatigue management over the course of a season, perhaps it extends to in-game fatigue management?
And minus the sole focus on JVR or Hartnell sucking.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
he what!?
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MarioD hated Danny Syvret. It was sometime in October of that year when MarioD said Syvret was the biggest problem on the team.
It didn’t take me long to respond “Then this team is going to win the Stanley Cup.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
It's Always Someone
Hate to say it, but there’s always a breakdown somewhere. On the Rangers third goal, Richards was open because he was G’s man, but G was caught behind the net. In the end, there’s still hope. I still think the Rangers will fold when it counts, as always, and then the Rangers fans will once again disappear.
I got to see Don for the first time since… we lost to the Rangers last April. But it was nice to see Don.
It was really cool to be there, but I also had a weird “a-ha” moment of, “What the fuck am I doing in Ashburn Alley in January?” That’s because it was also really COLD to be there. My gloves, longjohns, jeans, and flannel shirt (not to mention my heavy winter coat) were ineffectual against the chill.
The ice was not the best in the world. It seemed to take both teams half of the game to adjust, but once they did, a hockey game broke out, as they say.
I give the Rangers fans near us points for being good sports, and clever taunters. They based their main taunt on “La donna è mobile” from Verdi’s Rigoletto. But it wasn’t as clever a take on it as this.
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Haha, oh man I’m going to be in trouble Friday night for the Phantoms game then… I’m always cold to begin with!
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
It depends where you’re sitting. If you’re closer to the concourse as Don was, it won’t be as bad. I was sitting in front of the scoreboard. Decent seats, but it was freezing.
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I was underneath the scoreboard deck in 141 and it wasn’t that bad, it was still cold, but it wasn’t totally freezing.
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It was nice seeing Mike as well; possibly the highlight of my “experience”.
As for the event, it’s tough to feel good about watching an important game being played on what is, in all reality, less than ideal conditions. It’s a nice event, it was neat being there, but I left with the thought of, “man, important games should not be played outdoors”. Not saying that it would change the result, but saying that it is disappointing to see meaningful games played in this environment.
Basically, I disagree with Travis.
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Absolutely. As we discussed yesterday, the game itself was not really that good until about midway through the second. Sloppy and choppy, and the puck bounced everywhere.
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I honestly think I enjoy Winter Classics more when the Flyers are not involved. My two least favorite Classics (including the heritage) have been the ones with the Flyers in them. I’m always left with a sense of “what if this was played on good ice” (perhaps driven by losses, but in general I find it frustrating to watch when I truly care about the outcome), where as the others I just enjoy watching a fun event in which the outcome is relatively meaningless to me.
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No god damn bragging rights. It’s such a spectacle you can’t help but want them. Sucks. I was pissed for days after the first one, I imagine I’ll be for this as well.
I was bummed out as well. Mostly because I spent a lot of money to go to the game, I want to leave playing Knock Knock from my iPhone. But at the end of the day, I think I’d rather not have the Flyers play in these types of games; unless they are having a bad season and this would be like their playoffs.
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Once I do my Rocky stance in front of the art museum I will be able to move on from this loss
by Prometheus74 on Jan 2, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
hahahah
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Heaven forbid people actually go INTO the museum. It’s not recognized as being one of the best in the world or anything like that.
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This is part of my love-hate relationship with Philadelphia. I’m a sports fan and all, but that Rocky image is so iconic here for a reason: Sports always trumps artistic culture here. I understand why and all, but there’s a shit-ton of really cool stuff going on in this city which is under-appreciated far too often. The Art Museum and the Philadelphia Orchestra are recognized as being among the best museums and orchestras (respectively) in the fucking world, not just in the country. You wouldn’t know that if you lived here, and that pisses me off.
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like
you said it’s a love/hate thing. The idea, but that bronze, whoa like it aint a Rodin…
hey we got a museum for that fucker too.
biggest and best outside of Paris, I believe. And the Philly collection of Duchamp is amazing.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Orchestra needs to do a P.D.Q Bach thing, put helmets on the players, treat it as a competition between guest conductor and musicians.
Like the Beethoven 5th first movement.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Awesome, it’s been a long time since I’ve heard that.
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Wow, Carbomb just blew himself up. Going into the boards near the goal line he pushed a guy to knock him completely off balance, 5 min major for boarding, expecting a suspension.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
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by Prometheus74 on Jan 2, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Look to me like he looses his balance when he goes to hit him, and it makes it look a lot worse then what Carcillo intended it to be.
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I dont think Carcillo intends to do things like this
However, I do not think Carcillo can control his ability to make proper decisions concerning others players health in the heat of the moment.
He throws Gilbert full force
If he loses his balance, its because he is focused on plastering the guy, hoping it will be a good hit.
Thats why I think it is stupid
by Prometheus74 on Jan 2, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
The guy is trying to slow up and get to the puck. If you want to hit him, you should get right up against him and ride him into the boards, that way he doesn’t get thrown off and hurt himself. Carcillo did the worst thing he could, at the worst possible time. Just bad decision.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 2, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Simmonds my MVP
Anyone disagree? Hartnell was all heart as well.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
Hartnell was very impressive today for sure. Did a great job stepping up after Jagr left.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
To everyone who went: so the view and atmosphere and everything was good? My dad wanted to go to the Penn State game being played on the ice on Thursday.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions
I can’t speak for tonight but the Alumni game was spectacular.
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I’m not expecting it to be as electric or awe-inspiring as the Alumni game or today’s game, but if the general atmosphere and all that of hockey in CBP was good, then that’s exciting.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
Atmosphere was fun, outside of that, hockey games should not be played in baseball stadiums; the sight lines are basically meh.
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Truth. Often times during the game I said to my brother, “This is the only hockey game I’ve ever been to where I have to assume what’s going on based on player movements.”
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Very true. I’m curious to see if a football stadium provides better view angles.
Don’t get me wrong though. I love playing outdoors and do so at every opportunity I get, it’s a blast. But I don’t want to watch outdoor games, nor would I want to play in a meaningful game outdoors if all other ones are played indoors.
I would say, it’s neat to go to once.
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To steal a line from David Foster Wallace (RIP), I’d describe going to the Winter Classic as “a supposedly fun thing I’ll never do again.”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m glad you are in agreement with me here since I have a well earned reputation as a curmudgeon and my comments/opinion would otherwise be ignored on this matter.
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I don’t think that. I decided to only do the Alumni Game because I didn’t think there was any way the actual WC would ever live up to the hype generated…plus, it’s a lot of money for such an important game and a win is not guaranteed. If I paid that kind of money to watch a crappy product come to a resulting loss, I’d be a helluva a lot more pissed off today than depressed.
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I really wanted to go to the actual WC, but just couldn’t justify spending that kind of money on it. So the Alumni Game was a good alternative for me. Meant my whole family could go, too. I’m glad I did it.
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Well being a season ticket holder I, at the very least, avoided the ridiculous Stub Hub, etc., inflation but had to purchase tickets to all 3 events. I enjoyed the 1st period of the alumni game, but after the nostalgia wore off, well, it’s like watching a (extremely) poor quality all star game from the worst view imaginable. It was neat, but not worth the face value off the ticket IMO. I will say seeing 88 and 10 together again was great, as well as Howe but seeing the Cup winners was almost depressing, that’s not how I want to remember them.
At least the Winter Classic game meant something in terms of the season, but then again, that is also its downfall; a meaningful game played on crap ice from a view where I can’t quite tell what’s going on. The game I’m looking forward to the most ice the Phantoms game, it has some meaning to me, but far less than the Flyers. So I’m invested in the outcome moderately, the skill level is sufficiently high to keep my interest throughout, but not high enough to where the poor ice will frustrate me to the point that it does during the classic. I feel like it’s the perfect compromise between the two events that have taken place; plus there will be fireworks.
Just my 2 cents, and I recognize I’m in the minority as most people here seemed to climax over the Alumni game.
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But I think everyone who went to the Alumni game recognized that for what it was: spectacle for the sake of spectacle. I mean, the WC is all pomp and circumstance anyway, so it fits perfectly with all the bruhaha. You could just go and enjoy the atmosphere, revel in the site of the old players putting on the unis one more (last) time, get drunk and enjoy it no matter the outcome. The hockey wasn’t great, but I expected a lot worse and was pleasantly surprised as a result by some of the play.
They call the WC game the “Superbowl” of hockey, well, then I guess I agree because I’ve always felt that the SB is usually one of the worst played football games of the year. The Championship games are almost always superior.
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The hockey wasn’t great, but I expected a lot worse and was pleasantly surprised as a result by some of the play.
This is true, I was very surprised by the goaltending.
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I assume you are referring to Trees and possibly Blackburn?
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I disagree, I think everyone that went to or watched the Alumni game made it out to be much more than what it was, at least from what I was hearing and reading both on this site and outside of this site. I think a lot of it was fooling themselves in to wanting to make it more enjoyable than it really is, which is understandable, I just didn’t buy in to it, hence my, okay this was cool for 20 minutes attitude. Though the bang for the buck was still probably better than the WC.
When all is said and done, I really do enjoy the event, when it doesn’t involve the Flyers and I’m watching it from home.
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Alumni games are about the Persistence of Memory and fostering the belief that we can postpone death, and probably decrepitude as well. Sixty-year olds with the smiles of boys.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Haha agreed and it makes for an enjoyable 20 minutes worth of viewing.
Again, just my opinion, and I recognize I’m in the minority. I like to see highly skilled, competitive hockey when I pay for a ticket, I recognized this event, for the most part, was not going to be that; I was forced to buy a ticket to it so I went and enjoyed what I could of it. I’m simply speaking from my point of view. I recognize why these events are held, and how people can take more out of this game than I did.
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For me the Alumni game was being able to watch some greats, some hall of famers and also a lot of saying “Sorry” in a way to Lindros.
I’m so glad he got the ovation he deserved from the crowd there and I didn’t hear one single “boo.” It’s well past time to start viewing him as the freak of nature that he was and less as a pariah who’s acrimonious relationship with the team made him out to be the bad guy when there were more than one person at fault in that whole situation.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 3, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, got that all done by the end of the 1st period. I think that’s what the Alumni game was to every one for the most part, except possibly the Lindros thing. It just lost it’s fun for me after the first period, other people enjoyed the whole thing. If it wasn’t so quick, I would have likely left early, but they did a good job with shortened intermissions and keeping the play moving. It was a nice event, just not something I would spend $53 on if I didn’t have to in order to see the Winter Classic.
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Exactly why I chose to only go to Alumni too. I could have gone to the Phantoms game but I’d still be pissed if I spent that money just to watch the fucking Bears win.
I had the time of my life at the Alumni game on Saturday. Smiling from ear to ear the entire day, just ask my gf.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 3, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Except you would have spent half the money to see the AHL game. $189 vs $53 vs $23 face value I believe for the 3 different events for the section I was in.
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It was $100 for my two Alumni Game tix. So, half of what it costs to go to a regular hockey game, lol.
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Not for me...
I guess this year that’s true for single seats. However, my tickets are still roughly $40 per game for the Flyers and the Alumni game were $53 (both excluding those extra fees) so I paid roughly $10 more per ticket to have a horrible sight line to an alumni game than I do for every Flyers game this season. Not to mention that parking was $10 more as well.
That’s really shitty from my perspective, hence one of the reasons I have a much different view about the alumni game than a lot of people who were thrilled with it. Where you see value, I feel ripped off.
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Mine were $50 plus I didn’t park, my sigh line was fantastic and I had a freaking great time. So yeah. I can see that.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 3, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
It was what you made of it. I needed it to wow me in a way that would make up for a lot of negatives going in to it, you went in feeling fortunate to get tickets to go to the game and lucky to be there for it.
I get why we had completely different experiences. I’m coming at this from a very Detweilerian point of view, even ignoring the negatives I had coming in to the event.
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Yeah, I can’t afford season tickets, so I have to buy on StubHub or similar. They cost a freaking fortune for 3 tix to take the whole family.
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Yeah, the ticket hike this year for single tickets was obnoxious. When I have a kid, the season tickets will be the first thing to go.
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Maybe Briere shouldn’t have tried to go five hole on henrik, but he’s the last person who should really be blamed for this loss.
It would’ve been great to win the game, and its f*cking infuriating to blow a 2-0 lead to that team in that fashion, but the team can still take a lot from this game. This is basically the best chance to simulate a playoff hockey atmosphere in terms of the big stage, buildup, coverage, etc. Yet at the end of the day, this game only cost us 2 points. An experience like that against a team that we could very easily see in the second round of the playoffs could still be valuable, especially in a lineup with 7 rookies at times, who to date, have never played in a bigger hockey game thus far
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 2, 2012 9:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I feel like he dekes on the SO attempts and it usually works out for him. Was surprised he didn’t and just went straight for the five-hole.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think you want him dekeing on that ice surface. That ice had to be garbage at that point.
by BobbyDucati on Jan 2, 2012 10:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Especially when fucking Mike Rupp scores TWO GOALS. Ugh…
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by Libertykid116 on Jan 2, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That’s awesome. Sucks it got ruined.
For future reference, if you post a picture, put something in the title line. It allows people to collapse the picture (by clicking the title) which helps with bandwidth/loading/scrolling.
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okay, thanks im new at this commenting thing. how would i do that exactly?
by Libertykid116 on Jan 2, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
Right under "Post a Reply"
That is your subject/title line. Put something in there before putting your picture in the body.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yup, I saw you’re a newer member. It’s okay, I didn’t even realize that feature until a while after I joined.
It’s the little thin line between the Post a Reply and the font stuff (the Bold B, italics I, etc)
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okay
thanks, i think ive figured it out now. is there anyway i can go back and do that now with that picture?
by Libertykid116 on Jan 2, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
No edit feature, unfortunately. It’s fine, it happens sometimes if people don’t know about the titles thing or if they post too fast. A few untitled pics isn’t going to kill someone, but for game threads which get a lot of pics, the title thing helps.
(It doesn’t even matter what goes in the title. I usually just put a couple of periods there. As long as there’s SOMETHING, it can collapse.)
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Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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You’re probably right.
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Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 3, 2012 11:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
It was for the most part an enjoyable game. Bob started off well but 2 of the 3 he should have saved. Mez really screened him on the one, but shit happens. Im disappointed in the effort during the 3rd period, but at the end of the day its 1/82 games. I can tolerate this loss compared to my other major loss of the day being the PSU bowl game…shoot me now.
Some things to take away:
-Hartnell played a very good game and was noticeably hustling on all plays
-Bob was ok but cant say he is that much better than Bryz; I just dont buy it long term this year
-Coburn an MAB had lackluster games
-JVR continues to be a waste of a roster spot this season
-this was a much better effort against a good Rangers team than the prior ones
Actually, it was the third goal he was helpless on. That was bad backchecking on G’s part (just saying).
The second goal, however, was horrible and it was possibly team-deflating.
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It was. Even after Rupp made it 2-1, they were fine until that goal. That’s when the Rangers took over.
I had no Excel spreadsheet, but I was at the game and I saw it with my own two eyes.
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So you can wipe off that grin;
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It’s all been a pack of lies!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Even considering he’s playing hurt, (JVR) played well today. Todd had him at 5 scoring chances in the second period alone. This is really not the game to hate on him.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I never said he sucks. But he is ineffective and thus, a waste of a roster spot right now. If he is hurt, he needs to get surgery an heal. He is young. We need him for the future. It would be one thing if we are in a deep playoff run an he could play through the pain, but right now I dont see a lackluster and injured JVR suiting up the rest of the season and being the difference in us winning it all or not.
Generating five scoring chances in one period is wasting a roster spot?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh. Geoff, seems that multiple BSHers are having a brain cramp on this subject.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I figured I’d help Mike out. People are really struggling with facts on this one.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
No problem, buddy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Fac…ts? What are these things you speak of?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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They’re endangered in Philadelphia Sports, I know.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
So they’re first round draft picks?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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Close.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Homer’s math skills?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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GEOFF’S ON THE DEFEND JVR BOAT!
Welcome Geoff. There’s plenty of room.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I rarely get into the ping-pong arguments around here, but it seems I’ve gotten into the fire on this one, too.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
wow...just wow
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
I was on the Defend JVR Boat before it was cool.
/hipster’d
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
hahah, well it’s one of my comments that mike is copy-pasting all over this thread, so I’m going to assume a position of leadership on this boat.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Rightly earned.
Your comment just made me reminisce about MarioD and my arguments JVR’s rookie year, which made me sound like a hipster.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather him not suffer long lasting injuries that may affect his career if he isnt going to be producing. That is all.
What is this long lasting injury that may effect his career he is going through right now?
Nobody wants him to play through a long lasting injury that may effect his career, most of all his employer, who just signed him to a ridiculous six year, $25.5 million contract that starts next year.
Just because a “cam impingement” sounds bad doesn’t mean he’s making it worse by postponing surgery. Unless you’re a doctor and can tell me that he’s making it worse, and jeopardizing his career, I fail to see how you are qualified to make this statement.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 2, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
“Cam impingement” still sounds more like a problem I’d encounter on my car, not my hip.
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Femoroacetabular impingement sounds better?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a picture of what's going on:
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
So basically there’s a lesion on the ball in the ball-and-socket joint which makes contact with the labrum/outer edge of the socket when the ball is rotating in the socket. It causes pain on movement and can restrict range of movement.
Both adduction/abduction and internal/external rotation will produce pain. Painkillers and antiinflammatories will reduce pain, and it can be self-resolving if you take time off sport. Physiotherapy may help as well. For young adults it’s a good idea to head to surgery though. Arthroscopic surgery could have a 3-4 month recovery time.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Arthroscopic surgery could have a 3-4 month recovery time.
Yes, and before JpH chimes in with “well get the surgery and he’ll be good to go for the playoffs!” I would imagine that to get into game shape with a hip injury for a hockey player it would take more time.
Now, where JpH could have a point is if the Flyers are going to be bounced in the first round anyway, maybe get started now. But that is super-anti-Homer thinking.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Remember that Coburn had hip surgery prior to 2009-10, and he had a lousy first half of the season.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I still think that really hurt Coburn’s developmental curve. Hopefully it doesn’t have the same effect on JVR.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Note that you, me and PoL all agree on this.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Yep. Just that he could’ve reached his current level earlier; and perhaps be at an even higher level now. But that’s just meaningless conjecture. Injuries suck, but they’re a part of the life of a professional athlete.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Eh. Remember when Coburn was supposed to be a slick two-way player?
I don’t know if that was a reasonable expectation or not, but I remember that was the talk. Now, some are disappointed he’s “just” a shut-down guy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
cool logo for a biophysics club hockey team
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 2, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one who really doesn’t get where the criticisms of Coburn are coming from? We had 64% of the shots he was out for, we had no goals against while he was on the ice, and he got a few really nice cranks to the net, I thought.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Timonen/Coburn/Carle/Meszaros
It is very strange to me that anyone would think it was in a different order
/although somewhat less strange than the JvR criticism
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Other than that pokecheck in the first that thwarted a Rangers breakaway, I thought Mez had a rough day. And I thought Bourdon was better than he was getting credit for.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mez has been scoring and letting in goals on a regular basis recently. It has been consternating.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
He’s been jumping up into the play a lot. That might explain it, at least in part.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yes. Kind of Paul Coffey-ish. And while Coffey could be awesome, he could also be awful at points.
Problem is, Mez is a “poor man’s Coffey”. And the Flyers need D more than scoring from their D, IMO.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Ehhhh, I seperated out parts of the event.
Loved the Alumni game and the spectacle itself, but it’s hard for me to be happy with today. It’s embarrassing. We got laughed at, again. It just seems like whenever the Flyers take center stage, they blow it.
I know we’re a proud franchise, hell I’m a big one for arguing that, pointing out all the areas we’re historically one of the top teams ever… and yet we always seem to foul it up when everyone’s looking.
Except for that whole comeback against Boston thing a few years back…
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DoubleH, you beat me to it!! Flyers fans are the Seinfeld’s of the NHL. We are neck-neck for 1st place with a very inexperienced line-up and we probably over-achieved in 2 of our last 3 playoff runs.
Come on guys, the loss hurts, but that is a gross generalization.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
Honestly, as great as that was… I dunnno, there was something serene about that day (Probably because I was lit off my ass) where even when it was 3-0 in game 7, I was fully confident they were winning that game.
Losing to the Hawks STILL stings though.
The Flyers got laughed at? Really?
I mean, of course, every fan of a winning team laughs at the losing team almost always, but anymore so than normal? The Flyers beat the Bruins after the banner raising, there was that whole 2010 comeback verse Boston and making the Stanley Cup thing, staying alive versus Buffalo in Game 6 on NBC, etc.
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i wouldnt say laughed at, more like oppossing goaltenders seem to stand on their heads against us with surprising regularity.
by Libertykid116 on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I never said it was reasonable the crap spewed at our franchise, but it seems to be there, nonetheless. That’s what’s so infuriating. I know we’re good. I can show it. with our history. I dunno. It just stings a ton, I wanted to put the Blueshirts in their place. We need to DEMOLISH them the rest of the series. Not win against, not beat, annihilate.
The Flyers dominated this game. They played better than the scoreboard might indicate last game against the Rangers.
The wins against the Rangers will come this year. Three games left, two of them at the Wells Fargo Center. We’ll get ours.
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We will win against them in our next game, 7-0. It will be the turning point of the Rangers’ season from Beats of the East to falling apart.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I see what you did there.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Jan 3, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Truthfully vor is not all wrong. Yes we have won a lot of hockey. But we have lost more when it mattered then another team. No one has lost as many finals as we have since expansion. That isn’t comforted by winning anything less in importance.
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You gotta be in it to win it. I’m sure there are other fans that would love to see their team get so many chances.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Yea until they feel the agony of all those defeats. It sucks and I am not comforted anymore by being there.
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Yes, they would. But the expectations are higher here. I want to see that parade in my lifetime.
Think of it this way: All the talk of the Rangers as a storied Original Six franchise, they’ve been to THREE finals, and one ONCE after the expansion. So, yes, we’ve actually done more than their franchise since expansion. It also means that there are droughts that seem to go on forever
I want to be positive I’ll get to see that ride down Broad Street some day, but when, as Justin noted, you can dominate a game and STILL lose, I worry I won’t see it. I dunno. Maybe tomorrow will clear my head, but I had myself convinced they’d win this one. It also doesn’t help that Rupp, of all people, scored TWO goals. The fact that his teeth are still in his head is a mystery and he needs to get smacked around next game.
As far as Rupp goes, seeing his salute as homage to Hitler helps alleviate the feeling that Mike Rupp scored two goals. Subconscious thing, I guess.
In hindsight, screaming “THIS ONE WILL LAST A LIFE TIME!” probably was not Sam Rosen’s greatest idea.
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Eight of Mike Rupp’s 52 career goals have come against us. Barf.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
3 year NMC, coming up
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Alumni Game – Totally Awesome
Winter Classic – Very Good – Not quite awesome
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
The other thing I will say is while I (and many of us) may criticize Hartnell for his absurd antics sometimes, he has really stepped up this year and appears to be a solid leader and positive guy for the team. He always is a fun guy to have in the locker room, but he just seems to stand out even more this year. He plays an entire 60 minutes hard every game it seems this year. I really like it.
I’m not happy at all about today’s game and would rather have the 2 points than the memory of watching them lose at home on the couch. I’m not even sure ill be able to watch the last episode of 24/7 after today’s loss. It will just piss me off.
"Fuckin right G."
I already know I’m not watching it. I don’t want to see Tortorella whining and complaining even after they win. Fuck him. He looked like the Fonz in his jacket today, too. Aaayyyy. Jagoff.
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I’m watching. The insight and drama and the Pens game that will be replayed beforehand outweigh losing to the Rangers in a beautiful spectacle at Citizens Bank Park.
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The sun will come up tomorrow, but that’s now two teams are better than the Flyers in the East
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 2, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions
Yes, but the real question is “how much better”. TBD.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Boston? A lot
New York Rangers? Goes to 6 or 7. Flyers could win a series of 7
I think Boston would be a sweep or Flyers out in 5
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Is there a team that has Boston’s number?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas scored four goals on Thomas the other day. No one had done that in a while, so that was nice.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly?
Pray for Montreal to get into the playoffs
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 2, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
OK. Because it’s just one of those situations where the only way I see us getting far is through favorable matchups. Just like 2010.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Rangers took 3 of 4 from Boston last year, but haven’t played them yet this year (first game is 1/21)
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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
But the Rangers and Boston are unlikely to meet in the playoffs before the conference finals, so that’s not particularly helpful for the Flyers (unless we somehow manage to steal the Atlantic division)
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Call me cynical, but the Rangers aren’t a 115 point team. Yes, we’ve had an edge so far, but the division is far from decided right now. Right now, the Flyers and Rangers both are best served putting some distance between themselves and a Crosby-less Pens team.
The Rangers are still short a scorer, I think. Flyers are certainly short a defenseman. How that gets addressed at the deadline will go a long ways towards deciding the division.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Well I’m hoping the Flyers don’t try and get a defenseman at the deadline. It would only result in overpayment and (probably) disappointment. If we wait till the offseason we can make a much more calculated decision. The Flyers need to accept that this isn’t the year for us to win the Atlantic. We traded our top goal scorer and our captain over the offseason for picks and prospects. You aren’t meant to win the division straight after that.
We’re probably going to make the playoffs so that’s good enough; maybe we’ll go on a fun little run and bring down some better teams. This Flyers team’s cup window opens around next season when Schenn and Couturier are reay to become big contributors and Giroux and JVR begin to approach their prime.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m personally hoping Wolski ends up being the scorer we’re missing, but god knows his head in the clouds too often to be trusted completely. I don’t think we can afford anyone of worth though, so the Rangers may stay pat for the most part.
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by George E. Ays on Jan 2, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think the conclusion after today and all the arguments that spawned is...
Flyers suck.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
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Right you are, Mike. It really was appalling.
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Remember our friend the racist in the BSB game thread?
Another Rangers fan reply:
on behalf of rangers fans everywhere…Always nice to see fellow Rangers fans take action against comments like that guy made that you can also see by clicking the link.
i take a fat, wet, high-fiber poop on your lame, mostly repulsive, casually bigoted joke.
that is all. let’s go rangers.
In related news, you know you’ve gone too far when FLYERROB is calling it “very poor.”
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Matt Read
While a few BSHers are grumbling about JvR, I’m actually more concerned about/about to put out an APB for the Matt Read I saw earlier this season. Hope he hasn’t hit the wall yet, or isn’t still dealing with that earlier injury.
Conceptually, the Briere/Read/Simmonds line should work (one playmaker, one guy in front of the net, one guy who shoots and moves without the puck) but I haven’t seen this click on the ice yet. Since JvR isn’t the guy to move without the puck, I’m not sure who should pair with Briere and Simmonds (Harry Z? He sure would give the line energy).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Maybe Scooter with Briere and Simmonds? Then Read could center Talbot and Voracek, and that might be dynamic.
But I don’t know what Scooter’s shot is..what is that like?
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Well here it says:
…a brilliant stick-handler, has great vision and hockey sense, to go with a good, hard, accurate shot that he utilizes at every opportunity
That said, I’d like Couturier to stay at center. However, this might be the best thing for him to get some offense. I am also very worried about Read. He wasnot impressive today and was invisible for long portions of the game.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
He’s a rookie. Big game for him. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Yep that’s understandable. It’s just that you’re always scared about the college player hitting the ‘wall’ at some point. I was hoping Reader would somehow avoid it, but am always worried about it.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, and this was the point of my comment above
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I miss Read/Talbot/Voracek. They were excellent together back in November. That leaves us with JVR-Briere-Simmonds, though, and IIRC that wasn’t a particularly good line.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Not if Lavi takes my advice above (ha!)
Then the lines are
Schenn/JvR/Harry Z
Read/Talbot/Voracek
Briere/Scooter/Simmonds
(Note the order above is intentional!)
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Briere on the fourth line? That’s a bold strategy, Cotton.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
A Lavi-style challenge….better play, more ice time Danny B. :-))
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I don’t think he’s been THAT bad.
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by doubleh on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Note that smiley-face. But he could be better.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
So better play more ice time strategy, but you have JVR above Danny? Not trying bitch at you, but am I missing something?
As a matter of fact, you are.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Read Mr. Detwiler’s comments.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I’m missing the same thing :(
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
OK, so was the officiating that horrendous in the third period? Tororella went off after the game about the NHL and NBC conspiring to get the game to OT. I was at the game and the highlights don’t show any penalties, save for the penalty shot which doesn’t show it as a definitively bad call. Thoughts?
by mantis toboggan on Jan 2, 2012 11:49 PM EST reply actions
Lousy against both teams. Atrocious even. But not just against the Rags.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Yeah. I hate Tortorella on a 2004 level right now.
by mantis toboggan on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the penalty shot call was completely fair, but they called two penalties on the Rangers in the last 6 minutes that were both pretty brutal given the circumstance and the fact that they hadn’t been calling ANYTHING before that.
That said, I still think Prust was offsides on Rupp’s second goal.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 2, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, seriously inconsistent. Almost like they weren’t paying attention.
The worst example of this was when the ref blew the whistle saying Lundquist had frozen the puck when it was still free. You could see the ref was staring at Lundquist, where he could not see the puck – because the puck was already almost behind the ref! Very dumb.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
That was terrible, indeed, but I also didn’t think it was worth complaining about because it was happening on a PP that we shouldn’t have had. Poorly timed makeup call.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
But if the ref is “making up” a call by definition that’s intentional….missing the puck because it is five feet or more away from where you think it is just moronic.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Yeah, not saying it wasn’t bad. I hear ya.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the Callahan(?) holding the stick call was actually a dive, so I don’t really have a problem with that. The delay of game penalty was the only one I thought was particularly bad. Rangers fans were complaining about a hook on Gaborik, but they didn’t call a single hook all game for either team, and it definitely happened.
by mantis toboggan on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
The delay of game probably should’ve been a call on JVR before it was on McDonagh, though I don’t think they should’ve called one either way.
And there were multiple hooks/slashes/other miscellaneous calls both ways in the first period that could’ve been made and weren’t, which probably made the ticky-tack calls in the third that much more infuriating for the Rangers.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 3, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions
I too think the penalty shot was a fair call (should have been a goal though), and that the refs called some pretty questionable calls. It looked to me like they wanted to get the game to overtime.
The Flyers need to study some tape on the Rangers.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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The Flyers need to study some tape on the Rangers.
Dr. Steve, 100% with you on this point. I think they are doing some “stacking in the middle” of the defensive zone (someone else in the thread noticed this too), especially against G’s line. It is frustrating the passing lanes of the Flyers.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
They also really disrupt the Flyers when they try to set up. That last penalty, the Flyers had puck setlted with 34 seconds left. All game I would see the Flyers fail to get things started. The Rangers had a really high energy level.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
Don’t know about the “energy level” thing but you are also right about the disruption thing. This is IMO the opposite extreme of the 1-3-1 but for the same purpose. Clog up the Flyers so that G and Jagr (or Talbot and Voracek for that matter) don’t get 2 on 1s. Then ice the puck (seriously, I’ve seen more icing in the last few games by the other team when it didn’t really seem necessary than I’ve seen in years).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Saw this on BSB, interesting...
"The Rangers track a stat that measures how many goals are scored per scoring chance. Allowing one goal out of every six scoring chances is considered a pretty strong performance. He’s been consistently turning in games in which he stopped seven of eight scoring chances, often better than that."
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM EST reply actions
Todd do we have this data for the Flyers?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 2, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Stuff like this is what makes me wish scoring chances were clearly defined and made available from the league/its teams.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 3, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
There is a pretty clear definition, and most teams have a blogger tracking them now. Which is probably more accurate than the league scorers in many cases, given the huge disparity in recorded numbers across different arenas.
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Anyone have any idea what JVR's surgery time would be?
When Schenn is up, I think it’d be worth looking at to give Schenn JVR’s minutes, and get JVR worked on. Or at least time off.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
See above in the thread. Probably 3-4 months PLUS more time to reacclimate.
Thus, my “Ross Gload” decision dilemma analogy
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
What to do… I guess tell him to tough it out, but I hate seeing him not playing to his full potential. And after years of watching Richards and Carter late in the NHL season failing to live up to their potential due to foot injuries or whatnot, I don’t want to see that again.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
One of the most interesting things I heard Richie say in the days right after his trade was that he wished he had got surgery on (I think it was) his hand back in October so it’d have been healthy later in the season and in the playoffs.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Suppose a situation happened where one of the goalies got hurt in practice or something like this, and a backup had to be called up, only the Phantoms and Flyers were too far apart for them to call someone up. This happened to Minnesota earlier this year, and they signed a 51-year old goalie to a one-game contract in case the AHL goalie didn’t make to the arena in time (he did, barely).
Do the Flyers make the call to LaForest based on what he did at the alumni game?
Babe, Bucky, Buckner, Boone, BALTIMORE!!!
I’d bring in that Rangers 28 year old alumni.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
I know it was only a game in early January
But way to blow a 2-0 lead.
I have a lot of thoughts about the game, but I’m going to keep quiet. Having to sit by a bunch of obnoxious new york assholes, I wanted to kick the shit out of them.
It was nice to remind them that they didn’t win the cup with this win.
When the Flyers play the Rangers in February, Rupp better pay! But I don’t think he will. This Flyers team is way too soft. I saw Rangers taking runs at Flyers and nothing happened.
How exactly would Rupp “pay?” He’s already been shown on HBO as someone who does not want to fight with irrelevant hockey players like Jody Shelley. Rinaldo is being scratched for who knows how long (and who knows if Rupp would consider someone who spent last season in the AHL garnering more suspensions than goals as someone relevant enough to fight). So what are you going to do, send Hartnell, who has been willing to fight on occasions, after him? Doing so takes Hartnell and Rupp out of the game for five minutes, and even if Hartnell gets the better of the fight, I’m sure Rupp and the Rangers will gladly take that trade-off of no Scott Hartnell on the ice for five minutes. Hartnell is a key contributor to the Flyers this season. Rupp isn’t. What about this is not to like from the Rangers’ perspective?
If you want to make them pay, dominate the hockey game and take two points from them, leaving the with zero and an angry Torts to deal with in the locker room.
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How to make him pay
Is your lead safe? Is it safe? Am I irrelevant now, Herr Rupp?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
oh don’t tell me no one got this….I mean I can kinda understand people not getting the Wages of Fear ref. I dropped in Detweiler’s piece on Bryz but this…oh we need to have a BSH movie night.
I only saw the movie once, about when it was released. I wanted to say there were double agents involved, but that really isn’t accurate. It’s just that everybody wanted the diamonds I guess, with Dustin caught in the middle. Since I don’t have a fear of the dentist this scene never bothered me like it does most others.
Actually I surprised this isn’t shown on numerous basic cable venues with some regularity.
well it certainly makes rupp a big pussy since his job is to fight and he turns down fights from those givin the same job
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He had as many fights as Jody Shelley last year. And he fought: Shelley, Matt Carkner, Chris Thorburn, Brandon Prust, Jared Boll, Mike Komisarek, Darcy Hordichuk, John Erskine, Zenon Konopka, Travis Hamonic, Jay Rosehill, and Shawn Thornton
He fights as often as the league leaders and he fights those among the league leaders.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
last year i could run a 8 minute mile since then ive put on 40 pounds and would be lucky to make it around my block…last year is last year. rupp is a shmuck
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
So you just hate Mike Rupp.
Got it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
i just see alot of people who run there mouths against the flyers always turn down the fight and its infuriating.most guys will agree you have something to say say it take your lumps/give out lumps and go about your day dont act like your some big tough man then turn down a fight after youve acted tough
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Isn’t 24/7 here to show you that there’s so, so much more than Rupp running his mouth and running away from a fight?
I don’t see how you can call a guy who’s smart enough to realize that Jody Shelley is a waste of his time a pussy because he’s not willing to hurt his team by taking a bad tradeoff.
I get that it’s fun to hate on Rupp or any other fighter, but why do we have to call other guys pussies for actually showing some intelligence?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the guy’s a punk but he’s certainly not a fool. There’s a difference.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Exactly. I think he’s the type of punk Philly fans would absolutely love on their team, which makes it more frustrating for me when those guys are irrationally hated by Philly fans.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t hate him irrationally; I hate him because he’s not a very good goal scorer and he scored two goals on my team. Don’t give two shits about the salute business personally, although generally I think you should be a better player before you can do that. However, if he was a better player, he’d have his own goal celebration so that brings us back to square one.
It’s the same stuff I heard from my Rags friends who kept telling Hartnell to STFU and how much they hate him; I said you’d love him if he were a Ranger and don’t even fricking lie to me about it.
I’d take Rupp in a heartbeat over Shelley. We’ve had plenty of douches on our team in the past; I can live with a douche so long as he plays in the orange and black.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Yeah, I wasn’t referring to you :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
What fun is rational hate? That’s like near beer hate.
by j reed on Jan 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think almost all hate can be rationalized in the long run, so long as it isn’t tied to the merely superficial (race/religion/sex/etc). My old saying was “Racism is so lazy. If you just take the time to get to know someone, you can hate them for purely personal reasons.”
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
i liken him to avery runs his mouth takes liberties, then ran when called on it
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
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Except he fought Shelley last year. He fought Shawn Thornton. He fought George Parros this year. He fought Cam Janssen this year.
You can keep saying he runs away from fights, but he fights the NHL’s toughest fighters.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 4, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone know where I might by any sort of Phantoms gear around Philly
I realised I don’t have any Phantoms stuff to wear to the game on Friday.
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