Planning for the Future: What will the Flyers do at the deadline with latest Pronger news
Wednesday night, Lauren Pronger was at the Flyers Wives Fashion show talking about Chris, who was not able to make it because he was having a bad day. For those who have not seen the interview you can see it here http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bdpCn. Basically the news on Pronger is just as bad as everyone is lead to believe by the fact that Pronger is out for the season. Pronger has had good days and bad days, but apparently has not had two or three good days in a row, which of course is not good. Pronger's condition has been compared to Keith Primeau's problems that still affect him six years later. Long story short Chris Pronger is not doing well at all and if he isn't well enough to go to a fashion show, he is a very long way away from playing and the way things sound, he may not play another game in the NHL.
So the question becomes, what are the Flyers to do with Pronger? For those who don't know, Pronger has 5 years left on a 7 year, 34.45 million dollar contract, and it is a 35+ contract, which means his salary stays on the cap for the full duration if he indeed retires. With the type of contract he has, seemingly the only way to get his cap hit off our books is to go over the cap every offseason (legal, see: Buffalo Sabres), since the Flyers love being pressed against the cap, and then Immediately putting him on the LTIR as the season starts, to free the cap space. This is a very tough prospect not only for the Flyers but for Pronger as well, who will, if he can't play anymore, end up in hockey purgatory, not retired, but can't play. Even trying to stash him in the minors won't work, as that will only lessen his cap hit by 100,000.
So now the question is just about answered, will the Flyers acquire a top defenseman at the NHL Trade deadline. It seems that the news that Pronger is not doing well at all could twist Paul Holmgrens arm in trading for a defenseman at the deadline. Pronger's absence puts a gaping hole in the defense, and the search at the deadline may not be for just depth, but for a new top pair defenseman. So the new question is, what are the Flyers options as we approach the deadline.
I feel I have to start with Shea Weber, dream on, The Nashville Predators would be really dumb to trade Shea this Trade Deadline, he's an Restricted Free Agent, so there's absolutely no way hes not a Predator next season. That won't happen, let's move on to real options. In the same place, The Predators have Ryan Suter, star defenseman who will be a UFA at the end of the season, here we have some real possibility. Though Nashville is in a playoff hunt right now and will likely make the playoffs, I feel like Suter could be had if Nashville is given the offensive firepower they need. In the Flyers' case, this would likely mean giving up the likes of Jake Voracek plus draft picks or a healthy James Van Riemsdyk, which could happen, but may not be enough to pry a stud defenseman like Suter from Nashville.
One of the biggest rumors out there is Tim Gleason of the Carolina Hurricans being shipped to the Flyers. Gleason is a solid defenseman but not really a solution to the Pronger problem, as he would only serve as a slight upgrade to Eric Gustafsson as the Flyers 5th or 6th defenseman. Solid option if Holmgren is confident that Pronger will return in the future, but if you're like me and you doubt Pronger will return to the NHL, you would like a defenseman that you can keep around for a while.
The Flyers have also shown interest in Ducks defensemen Lubomir Visnovsky and Francois Beauchemin. Both men are over 30, where they would be better options than Gleason, neither really solve the Pronger problem.
Enter one of the hottest rumors of the past few weeks, Luke Schenn of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Before word came out of JVR's concussion, rumors had him being sent to Toronto for the elder Schenn. Schenns welcome may have run out in Toronto but he is still a stellar defenseman and is only 22 years old. A JVR for Schenn trade would be a fairly good move for the Flyers, despite the bad stigma that will come to the Flyers after dealing a third player after giving them a long extension. Schenn has 5 years on his contract at an amazing 3.6 million cap hit, making this an optimal move for the Flyers to have a top pair caliber defenseman at a manageable cap number.
The final defenseman I'll go through that the Flyers have interest in is also the most intriguing, LA Kings D Jack Johnson. The Kings are looking for top six forward talent, so JVR and Voracek could possibly interest them, would it be enough? JVR definitely has enough value in the league that the Kings could go with it. Johnson is another example of a top level defenseman who may have fallen out of favor on their team but are still borderline elite, especially with his performance in the last Olympics for the US hockey team. Johnson is at the start of a 7 year 30.5 million dollar contract, which for his age (25) and his level of skill (top pair) is great value, by comparison Andrej Meszaros and Braydon Coburn have very similar cap hits to Johnson.
The long and short of it is, Paul Holmgren and the Flyers have a decision to make this deadline. That decision is whether to move on from Chris Pronger or to hope that he will be able to return next year or in the future. If he believes the latter, then a defenseman like Gleason, Visnovsky, and Beauchemin could come to Philly, but if he wants to look long term, defensemen like Schenn, Suter, and Johnson could be had. All indications show that the Flyers will likely acquire a defenseman this deadline, but who and what the plan is remains to be seen. Needless to say, this is one of the most intriguing and important trade deadlines the Flyers have had in years.
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Option to stay with the hand we have
I don’t understand why the option of keeping our team intact as it stands right now isn’t being discussed as a viable option. Of course Gus and Bordoun are not as good as the players discussed (although I think in time they can be as good as a few of them), but I’m not sold that adding a top pair defenseman will be the one key piece to put the Flyers into Stanley Cup contention this year. Will it be an improvement? Sure. But losing a key piece of our offense potentially like Voracek or JVR will also have an affect on the overall team this year as well as how the team moves forward in the coming years.
Do we really want to see one of these guys turn into a top line player in the next couple of years to allow us to go from a first round loss this year to a second round loss? I seem to remember that happening a once or twice with players we’ve traded in the last decade.
Instead, I think the Flyers post season success depends on whether or not either Bryz or Bob gets hot at the end of the year and in the playoffs. If that happens, they have a chance. If it doesn’t, a slight or medium upgrade in one defensive position won’t really manner that much.
The Flyers should hold pat. Possibly spend a 2nd/3rd round pick on a 5/6th defenseman in case of an injury. Then in the offseason, make a determination on Pronger at that point to see if going after a top player in free agency to replace him makes sense. This seems the SANE, INTELLIGENT path to follow.
RE: Option to stay with the hand we have
That is an option, and I just wrote another article a few weeks ago about only making a trade if it’s a good deal for us, but everything I’m hearing is that Holmgrens doing alot to acquire a defenseman, whether it’s Suter, Schenn or Gleason. I myself really like Gus and Bourdon, but Voracek and JVR seem to be at the center of trade rumors for another defenseman, since god knows if Voracek will re-sign here or not. Holmgrens under alot of pressure from fans and ownership after all the moves he’s made to win now, and that might be enough for him to make a move. I whole heartedly agree that if one of our goalies gets hot around the start of the playoffs would be our best chance, and frankly I wasn’t that impressed with our defense WITH Pronger, so missing him to me isn’t as big a deal as everyone seems to think, the biggest loss is in the leadership role.
Lets see what happens though, if the Flyers add someone in FA at D they will likely have to give up an offensive player to do it anyway, so why not save a little money and get the guy you want. It’s definitely an option, but I’m not sure its gonna happen.
Stay with the hand we have
I thought the whole reason Carter and Richards were traded was to give this team a chance to win in the coming years since the win now window was closing. I tend to agree I think Pronger is permanently on the shelf, but making a move for a top pair defenseman is a win now move. I don’t think this group is a win now roster. Taking off a valuable piece of the future in a win now move not only makes the team still probably not good enough to win now, but less likely to win later.
Bringing in a handful of rookies on top of the young players landed through the Richards/Carter deals I felt meant the front office wrote this season off as a growing experience and seeing who the new core of young players are to build around and make a solid run in the next couple of seasons. Is the defense weaker now? Absolutely. Is this the year they need to win? No, that was last year. And why Richards and Carter are not here. If there is pressure from fans (probably is) or ownership (I don’t think there is) to make a move a simple mid draft pick for a Gleason type is the smart move (and should be only move on the table). In the summer Homer will know if Pronger is returning or not. If he isn’t better by then, he isn’t going to be better. If he is not better then the Flyers throw a Pronger size check to Suter and he would probably bite and then LTIR Pronger for a comical 5 years. More importantly the top pair defender would be had for nothing off the roster and the team would be poised to make a move on the cup. Well assuming one of these goalies turns into a true #1 goalie.
I don’t understand why a FA acquisition of Suter isn’t everyone’s first choice instead of shipping off young talent the front office has invested in.
by UhOhSpaghettiOs on Jan 21, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
wouldnt luke shcenn be a valuable peice for the future for 5 years? our foward core seems like its doing just fine without(or even with)jvr…but either our defense has gone downhill or our system has broken them
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Ryan Suter, star defenseman who will be a UFA at the end of the season,
So … where does the cap room to sign this guy come from? TARP funds? Danny Briere’s surprising sudden retirement? A $10 million cap increase?
It’s not even realistic. Standing pat isn’t even realistic – salary will need to be cut from the existing roster just to maintain some form of the current team, let alone add anyone.
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dont speak 2 soon about briere...he did get a concussion anything could happen
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Cap hit fiascos aside my assumption on where Suter money comes from is LTIR Pronger Lappy style until his contract ends. If Pronger does return then there is no Suter money. If Pronger returns there is no defenseman aquisition what so ever. Although there really may not be any Pronger money to be frank given the Flyers cap constraints. But I was just commenting on the trade for a defenseman business RoadRaider brought up not Homers cap woes.
by UhOhSpaghettiOs on Jan 23, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
The catch is that (in my understanding, and DragonGirl is the resident expert) in the off-season there IS no LTIR allowance. You are either under contract, or not. So Pronger would count against the cap until day 2 of the season, when he could be placed on LTIR and his cap hit added to the overage allowance. That’s what they had to do with Lappy’s salary as well.
And evaluating a trade without considering the cap implications is like buying a Mercedes when you work at McDonalds – just not smart.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 23, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not if you live in Germany.
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It never ceases to amaze me how most of Europe treats Mercedes kinda like Ford – all the taxis are Mercedes models. I thought my grandmother’s C-class was a great car, personally.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Their German beer tastes way better than our German beers too.
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1) The Opel Astra I rented when I was in Austria was a fantastic car compared to the crap we consider ‘acceptable’ here.
2) The beer was phenomenal. It really is a shame that the Reheinsgebrot (sp?) basically prohibits any decent beer being exported because of the additives needed to do so.
3) That all said, I definitely enjoyed a few liters at Brauhaus Schmidt’s Saturday, and drove my Volkswagen in the snow the next day when Chevys all around were stuck.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 23, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
I was under the impression that a team could exceed the cap (to a certain percentage) during the off-season, as long as the team was back under at the start of the regular season. Although I am certainly not a cap expert either.
by mattsotheran on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
They can – except I don’t think you can place people on LTIR until technically AFTER the start of the regular season, so you couldn’t bury Pronger’s salary.
My understanding is that DragonGirl is working on a post about this, so we’ll just have to wait and see what the expert says.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 25, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions

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