Danny Briere Out Indefinitely With a Concussion
by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 21, 2012 5:00 PM EST
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Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced after the game that center Danny Briere has a concussion and will miss tomorrow's game against the Bruins.
There isn't much to say. The Flyers are now missing Ian Laperriere, Chris Pronger, James van Riemsdyk, and Danny Briere with concussions. This is in addition to previous concussions to Brayden Schenn, Claude Giroux, and Andreas Nodl.
Yeah. Sucks.
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Seriously ridiculous.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
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I AM SICK OF THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Legion of Bullies on Jan 21, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions
TGF’d
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by Legion of Bullies on Jan 21, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
TGP’d. I phail
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by Legion of Bullies on Jan 21, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Read also concussed briefly? Not that I’m trying to add to the list…
Often wrong, but never in doubt.
by A Flyers Phamily on Jan 21, 2012 5:08 PM EST reply actions
Yes he was.
This shit is getting ridiculous.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
This shit is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
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I remember that song cause the first time I hooked up with my crush under the bleachers it was playing :)
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
She just had another kid with Gavin McDouche from Bush. Whadda horrible band name. They failed at that as well.
And she became a musical sell out with no integrity.
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Although that was when she was still in No Doubt I believe. But it’s hard to tell if the band were simply her satellites. I mean they weren’t package like Blondie who actually played up the diva with the anonymous band in the background thing so it’s hard to tell. Anyway I lose all critical distance with her. Can’t seperate the lust from my higher reasoning functions. That said I don’t own any of No Doubt’s records who I always thought of as teh Blondie version of Fishbone. They wrote decent songs but my Gonzo Weird-o-lator just has never worked with her. I get no reading. Basically, if she told me to stick my foot in a bear trap and eat the gum stuck to the bottm of her shoe, I’d do it.
no, they were a band first, she was just the singer.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 22, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? Was it Leino’s elbow? I don’t remember this.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 21, 2012 5:56 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If I recall recorrectly, we didn’t know about it until long after he came back from it
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
when danny was down in the third period, he was slow to get up. the replay on the devils broadcast showed him getting a knee to the head.
by hbcivicsi93 on Jan 22, 2012 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was asking about Read’s.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 22, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll say it again: why was he on the ice with 1:30 left up 4-1? That high stick he took couldn’t have helped.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Yeah, if he looked visibly shaken up, why were they sending him back out there?
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No idea, but apparently he was also punched in the face by Elias.
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Elias can SABOD.
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Elias can get hep c from an eastern european prostitute. Oh, wait, that was 2005
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by Pelti on Jan 21, 2012 6:56 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Briere was punching Elias in the back of the head while he was down, Elias got back up and hit him with the glove on, but i don’t think that was what did Briere in. Typical net scrum.
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by Rory B. Bellows on Jan 22, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
The hit that did this was earlier and you could tell he wasn’t right why was he playing the rest of the game at all.
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Exactly!
He was not even aware of where the stick was. I thought it was obvious and it was also a hit away from the play that went unpenalized.
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by MJDII on Jan 21, 2012 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Add in the cross-state rivals...
and I’m thinking Pennsylvania should henceforth be known as ‘the concussion state’ D:
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by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 21, 2012 5:15 PM EST reply actions
Dave Isaac says the same.
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Isaac, still getting scoops even though his employer went out of business
Source tells me Tom Sestito and Ben Holmstrom will be called up for tomorrow’s game against Boston. Sestito certainly for physical play.
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No. Briere has the concussion, then there’s Jagr and Rinaldo. They need two callups in addition to Scrabble playing.
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Z is in, but you’ve gotta replace three guys (Briere, Jagr, and Rinaldo).
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 21, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Isaac is probably just chillin’ in the locker room hoping no one has realized that PSD folded last week.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 21, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure he’ll get picked up by someone soon won’t he?
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder how Talbot escaped being concussed a few games ago. He seemed to have gotten rattled pretty good.
Concussions have a lot to do with the person. Remember Scooter took that blast to his head and didn’t have a concussion? Concussions are just very variable…look at how some MMA fighters never get concussions despite getting repeatedly punched in the face and knocked out…although to be fair, UFC has extremely strict guidelines for dealing with suspected concussions or even being KO’d.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
thats what i dont understand…how do mma fighters go in take punches to the face and not get concussed everytime
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It’s not so much the direct impact to the head but how quickly the body decelerates or depending on the hit, how much torque the head is exposed to. Your brain is basically like a passenger in a car without a seatbelt. When the car comes to a sudden stop because of an accident, the unbelted passenger is still traveling at the same speed the vehicle was prior to the stop. Just as the passenger slams into the dashboard , the brain smashes into the skull. Hockey is played at great speeds which increases the amount force a check can deliver. Thus, the subsequent force transferred to the checked player is greater from which the body or head must decelerate. Also, frequency of exposure to situations that can cause concussions is substanially greater for a hockey player than a mma fighter. 82 games a season is an insanely high number of games to play. The post season just adds to the brutality. mma fighters also train to take hits because, well, that’s the actual sport. Slipping punches is a technique that allows fighters to decrease the momentum of a punch by either limiting the surface area of the collision (glancing blow) or increasing the time of the collision by “going with the punch” – a fighter will get hit by a jab but will shift his weight backwards to lessen the blow’s impact. It’s why footwork is so important and often the most difficult to master for the striking arts. Also, fighters devote alot of time to strengthening the neck and muscles of the upper back to counteract the torque the head undergoes from, in particular, blows delivered from the side like a hook or a roundhouse kick. But let’s not minimize the concussion risks fighters expose themselves to. The term “punch drunk” is used for good reason to describe the brain damage the majority of boxers suffer from after a career in the ring.
by j reed on Jan 21, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This
Also, this helps point out why helmets are only part of the solution.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
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I’ve mentioned this before and it did help a NFL player some many, many years ago – padding the outside of the helmet. How much can it help, dunno. But it will slow the head down in situations when the head is directly involved, otherwise NASA is working on the problem.
Theoretical full body airbag as seen in Red Planet.
Love that flick.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 21, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. It was just a straight ahead sci-fi flick that didn’t try to be anything that it wasn’t. Plus Carrie Ann Moss was in it. So yeah there’s that. It got panned. Such is the way for sci-fi I think. People come to it already not fans of the genre so they need something on par with Matrix to kick their asses. It’s no different than the attitude people have about Westerns. There are plenty of decent Westerns that get thrown in the B-Movie bin simply because they might be formulaic or don’t have star power to get people more interested.
Hmmm. I just thought of this. Did Val Klimer begin his descent into the straight to video world after making this? If so people who diss the film might be doing so by wrongfully associating it with Klimer’s odd career arc. I heard he went Scientology which.is another can of worms entirely. 2 guys I’d like to see have comebacks are him and Michael Keaton.
Oh FYI. I just saw Unknow with Liam Nielson. Diane Kruger co-stars. An entertaining thriller cut in the vein of R. Polanski’s Frantic. But who really cares about that I’d pretty much watch anything with her in it .
Ditto on her and Carrie Ann. Kilmer did some good stuff after, especially liked Spartan and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 22, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
saton sea too.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 22, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
also salton sea
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 22, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
so do hockey players do the training for their neck muscles enough?
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Honestly I don’t know but there might be some issue with training other muscles of the upper back which support the neck muscles. For example, baseball pitchers or javelin throwers should never do tons of push-ups because they shorten the muscles of the chest too much which can cause the shoulder to lose some of range of motion . So let’s say theoretical hockey player decides to concentrate more on his traps to help strengthen his neck. Will the subsequent shortening of muscle effect his slapshot? Dunno. The other thing to consider is whether or not hockey players have the time with their competition cycle being so long and all the other training demands of the sport. If there’s one thing fighters have is time to train…I mean that makes up for alot of the sport. Training, training and then more training.
Bullshit. The kid’s 18, and he “heals quickly,” right? Except for the growing body of evidence that says concussions are like the HAL memory panels being removed in Kubrick’s 2001. You take a few out, you take a few more, and pretty soon all you can say — albeit haltingly — is “Daisy.”
by Lesion of Doom on Jan 21, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was kinda peeved that he wasn’t sent to the quiet room after that hit. Why they let Briere play this whole game if they think it happened in the first is also bothersome
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t send someone to the quiet room every time they’re slow to get up from a hit…and even if you think it happened in the first, it’s possible the symptoms didn’t begin to show until the end of the game. If you took out everyone that sustained a hit that could possibly result in a concussion, 10 minutes into the first period, your bench would be empty.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
With Talbot he was down for a while, and it was near the end of the game, which is why I was confused. I didn’t like the look on his face when it happened, at all; and though they could have taken him back there after the game, but it didn’t seem like they did that at all. With Briere, I’m not saying they necessarily had to whisk him back there during the fist period, but if he was pallid and shaky immediately after the game, as Sarah Baicker described, why was he still playing at the end of the third period? I’m not trying to preach overreaction, I’m saying that Briere shouldn’t have been left to look that bad after the game, he should have gotten some attention in the middle, whether it was the quiet room or not.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
An adrenaline high could have masked the symptoms, to some extent. I’m not a neurologist by any means, but I have seen concussions go undiagnosed, with no symptoms, until a less stressful or intense environment is encountered.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Understood, but as someone who has suffered far too many, I’d be surprised for him to look that bad at the end without showing any signs during the second intermission. This is assuming that the speculation that it happened in the first period in Sarah Baicker’s article is correct, if it really happened in the third it would make sense.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 21, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the NHL Guardians should fight the concussion fairy
by Megadelphia on Jan 21, 2012 5:36 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
i’m chalking this up to better concussion diagnosis and more stringent regulations… that and players being more aware that it isn’t cool to play on concussions and being a vegetable by the age of 50. not to an actual increase in concussions. you used to be framed as a sissy if you had a “concussion”, now players smartly are putting their health ahead of their ego.
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by MJDII on Jan 21, 2012 7:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I call that the divide by zero line. But you’re dead on about the Bruins. They are a bunch of bullies. They are a very good team, but part of me thinks it’s because of intimidation instead of skill, especially with one Zdeno Chara on the ice.
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I was watching the rags game today and he drew a boarding and was roughing everyone on the ice and never gets a penalty. Lucic and Marchand are just flat out cheap shot, dirty players. And Thornton goes around intimidating everyone without consequences. I would love to see a bench clearer. That was a part of the game I loved.
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by MJDII on Jan 21, 2012 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree wholeheartedly. i would love to see those bitches get their asses beat tomorrow. enough is enough with this invincible team. its time for regression to take ahold of the almighty B’s
by profoundnotions on Jan 21, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I have a cup I got from a game. There’s 6 Flyers on it- and now four have had the c-word this year. RIDICULOUS.
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We simply need better Helmet tech. Other sports have made massive improvements in the last decade. Hockey seems to be standing still.
Would it be a case for going more European size ice rink (less hittting) or does that open up potential for even more big hits (room to accelerate for boarding)?
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Saying that we simply need better helmet tech is, unfortunately, very misguided. Helmets do not have nearly as much to do with concussions in hockey as many people think. As J Reed pointed out:
When the car comes to a sudden stop because of an accident, the unbelted passenger is still traveling at the same speed the vehicle was prior to the stop. Just as the passenger slams into the dashboard , the brain smashes into the skull.
In many cases, a mouth guard is as helpful protection against a concussion as a helmet is. A helmet cannot pad the inside of the skull for when the body stops and the head, then brain, keep going. It would be great if better helmets would fix it, but they wouldn’t.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
This isn't entirely true
That’s a fairly good analogy, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t ways to prevent that. The brain isn’t just floating around loosely inside the skull. The body has methods of slowing down the brain and protecting it from hitting the wall of the skull. If this weren’t there, we’d be at risk of concussions every time we move our head. Concussions happen when the skull slows down faster than the brain can slow down. If you can make the skull stop more gradually, you would give the brain more time to slow down and therefore lower the chance of a concussion by giving the brain enough time to slow down as well.
This means that what you need is a helmet that causes the head to come to a stop slower, and over a longer period of time. This could certainly be done by increased helmet tech such as increased padding, design, or even a helmet that is manufactured to absorb more energy by failing in the event of a hard hit.
I don’t know exactly what technology is available right now that would have this effect, but it is definitely a possibility to, at least partially, solve this problem through increased helmet tech.
Please ignore the redundancy at the end of the first paragraph
I rewrote that a few times trying to make it concise, but apparently did a poor job proofreading when I was finished.
Better helmets can certainly help the problem; but when someone gets stanchioned like Max P. last year, no amount of helmet tech or padding is going to solve that…and yes that is an extreme example, but if you factor in size of the helmets (which regulates that distance that skull has to move around inside of them), the type of padding (which would control the resistance that the head encounters), and the shape of the helmets (which would assist in deflecting force to the side), a much larger and radically different helmet would be required. And the shape of the helmet would only help in direct blows to the head….so they would have to be skating around in football helmets for many of these concussions to be prevented. And before we say “go for it! football helmets for all!” I would point out that many football players still have concussions, and wearing a helmet the size of a football helmet may not be conducive to skating on ice, and playing ice hockey.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
That's why I said "at least partially"
Better helmets aren’t the single answer that will prevent concussions forever. But they can certainly help. I would think that the two biggest causes for concussions are direct blows to the head, and whiplash causing the head to hit the ice. Both of those impacts can be reduced by better helmets. There are definitely other ways to get a concussion, but that doesn’t mean helmets wouldn’t help the situation.
I don’t claim to be an expert in helmet tech, but I would assume there are two main ways helmets could be made better without radically changing the way they are worn. The first would be to find better ways to pad the inside. This might be through better foam designs, or using new and improved materials. The second would be, like I said earlier, designing a helmet that would fail under certain impact forces. This would allow the helmet to absorb more energy than they do now through failure.
Again, will this prevent all concussions? Absolutely not. But anything we can do to reduce the quantity and seriousness of them should be looked at. And I would think helmet tech is one of the easiest ways to do so – and one that wouldn’t require any rule changes.
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The problem with softer padding is that at some point, the softer you get, it might as well be air in the helmet. If you’re advocating larger helmets to give more room for the head to decelerate that is one thing; I don’t know how players would feel about larger helmets. But working within the constraints of the current helmets, there is literally only so much padding can help (as a function of distance, resistance, and force.) And it is very possible that the padding has reached its limit of effectiveness within the size of the helmets; even helmets that fail are limited. Further complicating the issue is every players brain bruises to a different level of force, so a helmet would have to be designed to its limit for each person, the only way to know how much will concuss them being to actually hit them with more and more distributed force until they get a concussion…probably not our best idea.
by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
No problem man, I'm a bit distracted myself with all the Paterno news
But as far as the helmets go, I don’t think softening the padding is the answer. Rather, I’d think the best answer is probably figuring out some engineering design to help lengthen the process. Maybe there’s a way to use fluid as a dampener? I don’t know. Again, I don’t work in this field, so I don’t have a good idea of what this design would be, but as an engineer I’d imagine there is probably some way that we haven’t figured out yet.
As far as the failure idea, you simply make that force low. Whatever the smallest force that could cause a concussion is the force you make it fail at. You might have it fail unnecessarily at times, but it’s the safest bet. I think the NHL can afford to replace some extra helmets if it saves players from concussions.
Again, this is definitely NOT my field of expertise. I’m an engineer, but not in a field related to this at all. Any solution would require tons of testing, and quite possibly some kind of huge advancement in either material science, padding design, or both. But with how much we’re learning about the subject, I would expect a TON of money to be spent on helmet research over the next couple of years.
Then there is the case of the young Bengals receiver Chris Henry who died in an fortunate truck accident at 26. When they performed an autopsy doctors were stunned at the amount of CTE damage he had accumulated for his age given the amount of contact his position entailed. Wide receivers are relatively speaking involved in less contact than many positions. Which isn’t to say that they don’t get tagged esp. as they can find themselves in more vulnerable positions but that’s not the impression I took away from one of the doctors involved with the case.
"As we got the results, my emotion was sad — it’s so profound," said Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at West Virginia and a former team physician for the Steelers. "I was surprised in a way because of his age and because he was not known as a concussion sufferer or a big hitter. Is there some lower threshold when you become at risk for this disease? I’m struggling to see if something can come out positive out of this."
Granted this ancedotal and thresholds for incurring this damage may vary with age and person but what it also suggests the possiblity of accumulated trauma from sub concussions. The brain might be more vulnerable than you think.
And I would think helmet tech is one of the easiest ways to do so – and one that wouldn’t require any rule changes.
Seems a bit oversimplfied given the complexity of the problem. Then again, if this measure improves some of the problems enough so players feel satisfied and are fully aware of the risks then it might be similar to combat sports where partcipants just accept the fact that they are more than likely to leave sport as damaged goods to some extent. Let’s face it, when you get down to brass tacks there’s no way that the blows dealt in contact sports can be deemed the healthiest of life choices. It’s sure is fun though.
we could have every player wear hans devices like in nascar?
/sarcasm
by profoundnotions on Jan 21, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
With the callups, Blake Kessel is playing left wing on the fourth line for the Phantoms tonight against Bridgeport; Matt Walker wearing the “A” in Holmstrom’s absense.
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by MJDII on Jan 21, 2012 7:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
where was blake kessel b4?
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Hasn’t Kessel been known to go both ways though?
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by philiafan14364 on Jan 22, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
It has been a bother to view this stuff with my phone. I finally fix my computer get online and the first thing I find is another concussion. I am sick of it. it is like a disease. My computer had a code purple concussion took me a while to get around it.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
What scares me is this possible syllogism
(1) Flyers are a very fast team in a game that has generally speeded up
(2) Most people believe that the speed of the game has increased the possibility of concussions
(3) The Flyers have lots of concussions
Given that speed is a key area of their competitive advantage and related to the Lavi system, if the syllogism is correct, Houston, we have a problem
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I'm sick of the Flyers being run
This is why the cheap shot against Talbot and what happened to Briere today needed to be answered. I guess the word going around the NHL is that the Flyers are soft. And you are starting to see it in their play with a lot of Flyers guy shy about going into the corners. Teams are taking shots at the Flyers and no one is stepping up to address that.
I’m going to the game tomorrow. It’s going to take a big effort to get a win.
I’m heading out to have a stiff drink in honor of Joseph Vincent Paterno. RIP
Yeah, that’s why we need to dress Jody Shelley and Zac Rinaldo!
What, you mean they dressed today? Weird.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 21, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Shelly doesn't put the fear of God
into anyone. He is a waste. I don’t blame the players, I blame the league. The players can not police themselves anymore. The league has taken that away from the players and give fines and suspensions. But that isn’t stopping anything.
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by RogueConvict on Jan 21, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
He has a point, actually. The fines and suspensions aren’t stopping the concussions.
While allowing the players to police themselves might help, it could also potentially mean bad things for the enforcers, as we’ve seen this past summer alone. So the league is essentially damned if it does and damned if it doesn’t.
I wish there were an easy way to convert all NHL rinks to international standards. That might help.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Excuse me if I'm incoherent, I'm bombed but....
The question we must ask though, is why are there more injured players as the result of concussions.
This could be because of a plethora of reasons, but to major culprits, if you include all viewpoints, are: better diagnostics of concussions, the faster speed of the game, more cheap shots because players don’t police each other.
I think that for a fact we could somehow prove that the faster speed of the game, and better diagnostics of concussions have led to more injured players due to concussions. However I am not sold on how you would prove that there have been more cheap shots this year that have led to the increase of concussions. Furthermore, I don’t know how, IF you proved that was the case, you could prove that players “policing themselves” would eliminate the concussion epidemic.
If you are saying that that is your opinion, that is one thing. But to point to fines and suspensions, and then say they aren’t doing anything, is complaining apples to oranges. We never had these fines and suspensions in place before, nor did we have proper concussion testing protocol. This will take a few years to change the mindset of players, and it will take a few years for PROPER testing to show a decline.
by RogueConvict on Jan 22, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
comparing, not complaining in the third paragraph….
by RogueConvict on Jan 22, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but over the course of the history of the enforcer while unfortunate how many go through what those this summer did? b4 this summer it wasnt very prominent. its not the average its more the exception
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A good point . However, while suicides among the CTE damaged maybe an outlier, this alone cannot obviate the overall concern; namely, the real possibility, that given our knowledge of CTE ‘s behavioral effects, a significant number of it’s victims are either primed for suicide or may struggle with enough diminshed mental capacity to notably effect their quality of life. A bad knee is one thing, forgetting the name of a good friend or loved one at 50 is quite another.
And G’s just in a slump, right? Anyone who believes his lack of recent goals is NOT related to his concussion, please raise your right hand. Um…I said “right hand,” JVR. We’re watching the attrition of a fine team, and we will be paying the piper for years to come.
Dunno about that. His shots/game has only dipped from 2.89 to 2.69 while his shooting percentage has dropped 19.8% to 5.7%. That looks like a slump to me, not a player whose game has significantly changed.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Fingers crossed that you’re right. This is beyond ridiculous….
by Lesion of Doom on Jan 21, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
This. I think he came back from his concussion looking good enough for us to not come back one month later and claim his recent slump in play is linked to that old concussion.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 21, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We need to put the two line pass back into hockey, slow it back down, and maybe that will prevent some of these head hits.
I hate this idea, even if it ultimately is required. The game is much better without it. I’m not saying excitement trumps concussions, I’m just wishing for an alternative.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
i think an alternative should be a little more grabbing hooking subtle contact being allowed. i mean its not the best alternative but i agree i like the game without the two line pass rule. on top of that i think maybe there needs to be fines on top of suspensions for players. i dont know
by profoundnotions on Jan 21, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure this idea is the solution, and it was this article on Backhand Shelf that made me question it:
Are you making the game slower, or are you just making the size of the ice, which the players have already outgrown, effectively smaller? You might be slowing the game down, but skaters will still be skating with reckless-abandon through the neutral zone, they’ll just be doing it in a smaller space.
I don’t know, but it definitely makes me question.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 21, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’d love to see data on how many of the concussions that have happened in the last few years would be avoided if this happened. As to the Flyers, they have had 6 concussions this year, and I don’t believe this rule would have prevented any of them. I have seen at least a few other hits that caused them for other teams, and the same holds true.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 21, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t believe this rule would have prevented any of them.
This. The most obvious ones where 2-line passing was irrelevant being G’s and Scooter’s.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Oh. Wow.. This sucks
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Excellent summary.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
cbssports.com, your number one source for the health status of athletic figures, is now reporting that danny briere has died
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 22, 2012 1:47 AM EST reply actions
Is this a joke?
I just looked on that website and there is nothing about Briere. Only some controversy over a bad report on another person who I’m not familiar with hanging over the edge on life support. I don’t know. I hope you were trying to poke at that, but still, if thats a joke, it’s in really poor taste.
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i thought it was funny, making fun of CBS and the general “get it first and get it wrong” approach to journalism. It assumes that you knew that they humiliated themselves with the Paterno headline.
And it was in poor taste. There’s a lot that’s in poor taste here. Chris Pronger has died many times in these comments, without disapproving response. I’m offended by something every day in these threads. I figure it’s almost always my job to tolerate it because not everybody shares my idea of what’s appropriate. It’s part of what comes along with having a wide range of somewhat anonymous webpeople on a blog.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 22, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think it’s easier to tolerate this kind of joke from a regular whose sense of humor is already well-established. Honestly, for a split second when I read this, I thought it was real. Then I was, like, durr. Lol.
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by doubleh on Jan 22, 2012 11:56 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
that make sense.
it’s how i felt when I saw the headlines about the Carter trade. Then I saw the Richards headline and knew it was a joke.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 22, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was all a dream. We’re all in some autistic kid’s snow globe.
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by doubleh on Jan 22, 2012 12:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Another one. Sigh.
Regarding where this leaves the team.
First, I think Couturier has earned a shot at #2 centre in the short term (Including #2 Powerplay unit alongside the Read/Simmons combination that has been working so well lately). If I see him on the Ice at the same time as Shelley one more time…
Longer term, it really seems like this team – in this condition – is not near to being a contender. Too many pieces missing right now. Obviously things can change (Although I don’t hold any expectation of seeing Chris Pronger or Blair Betts in Orange again) but even under the concussions, things are creaking, with JvR’s hip, and Jagr’s constant niggles. I know magic can happen in the playoffs, especially if Bryzgalov can get (and stay hot)….but…little to no hope of this team getting past Bruins or Rangers or whatever the West throws up. Given that, looking ahead, I don’t think we should be buying at the deadline. I’m not saying break it up, or fail for Nail, or anything drastic….it’s just that this team isn’t one piece away from the Cup with so many parts of the roster missing. I really don’t think we don’t need to be giving away prospects or draft picks to add one more guy to push us over the edge. The edge is too far away. If we’re talking stars like Suter (Or the even more unrealistic Weber), thats different, but I’ve gone cold on the trade market on the whole.
On a related note, Jagr playing another 3 minute game. The guy still has talent, he’ll never lose that, but his body is really letting him down. Can we expect him to ever get through a consistent number of games, let alone a playoff series? He’s played his part as a mentor to some of the young guys, but I don’t think we should be inviting him back next year if he can’t stay on the ice.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
why not something like a bungee chords for the directions of travel. they stretch but would provide resistance for letting the head stay at velocity for as long. and if you have them at 4 points it’d almost stabilize the head. it would allow the players to still move their heads. its a rough idea but its better than losing the game
by profoundnotions on Jan 22, 2012 8:18 AM EST via Android app reply actions
The has some video of a Mark Fayne hit on Briere that knocked him down.
That hit didn’t do much, but note Adam Henrique skating into Briere. It looks like his leg hit Briere’s head when he was down. Not saying it was the biggest cause, but that looks like a possible cause.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 22, 2012 9:34 AM EST reply actions
Good Morning, "Stand-Still", How are You?
Thanks for the link. And nice try there, minimizing the unexpected hit from behind by Fayne.
I read your links at ILWT this morning. Hilarious stuff. Honestly. Your stuff on Parise and the teams ownership/ finances is just hysterical.
Oh, and your compatriot “elesias” is a class act.
I’d actually be surprised if Fayne did that. It’s not like Fayne can do anything outside of chasing the puck and letting the other team’s best offensive player get wide open in front of the net.
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by Kevin Sellathamby on Jan 22, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
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