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Shootouts suck: Hartnell, Schenn, Giroux shine, but Flyers lose, 6-5

PHILADELPHIA, PA - JANUARY 22:  Tim Thomas #30 of the Boston Bruins makes the game winning shootout save against Wayne Simmonds #17 of the Philadelphia Flyers on January 22, 2012 at Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The Bruins defeated the Flyers 6-5 after a shootout.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

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PHILADELPHIA -- 65 minutes of ridiculously entertaining hockey on Sunday afternoon wasn't enough to settle things, and as a result, the Flyers and Boston Bruins left the Wells Fargo Center with one point a piece, a 5-5 tie.

Oh, wait. What? Gary Bettman said no ties? Well, that's some BS.

Today was one of those games that absolutely should have been a tie. The Bruins and Flyers played an awesome game -- back and forth, physical, good special teams, emotional. It might have been the most entertaining game of the year so far in the NHL. And yet, it ended with a silly penalty shot contest, and the Bruins grabbed an extra point in the standings as a result.

Maybe shootouts suck because the Flyers have always been awful at them. Since the lockout in 2004-05 when the shootout was implemented, the Flyers have fewer shootout wins than any other team in the league. That's enough to make us hate them. If we were the Penguins or the Devils or the Rangers or any team with a strong shootout record, maybe our tune would be different.

Too often, though, it just seems like the shootout overshadows an awesome hockey game, like it did today. The Flyers battled back from a 3-1 deficit with help from a Scott Hartnell natural hat trick, Brayden Schenn grew into a man right before our eyes, they were able to hang in despite having eight rookies in the lineup, and for the first time since at least last regular season, they seemed like they had an answer for Boston's bruising physical style of play.

But despite the three-out-of-four points on the weekend and all the positives that can be taken away from Sunday's game, it's hard to get the taste of the shootout out of the mouth. And that sucks.

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Questions with Answers

  1. How do the injuries affect the lines and the Flyers' strategy? Lines were sort of all over the place. Schenn got bumped up top and was great, but all four units seemed to work pretty well.
  2. The Flyers had success on the power play Saturday. More of that? Power play was very good again, looked dangerous even when they didn't score.
  3. How do the callups perform today? Sestito had a very solid game. Didn't notice Holmstrom much.
  4. Obligatory question about goaltender performance here. Bryz wasn't good, but the defense in front of him sucked too.

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I’d say that was the best our skaters have looked all season. Great, physical play all around, and everyone played a full 60. Def deserve credit for coming from behind twice against the leagues best to get a point. Awesome to see people like Schenn getting involved physically and ruining some peoples sh*t.

Can’t even really put into words how much it sucks for a game like that to have to end in a shootout. I’d be saying the same thing if we came out on top too… just doesn’t seem right to declare the winner of a game like that based on a damn shootout

by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 22, 2012 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Giving up 5 goals is the best the skaters look all season?

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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 23, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess Travis does not like the shootout :)

by Anders Jensen on Jan 22, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Seriously though. If games can be decided by something like a shootout, and part of the reasoning for this is to increase entertainment value and ratings (for all the fake hockey fans), we should switch to this system.

-After every OT period, spin a wheel with every event from the All Star Skills Comp. on it. Each team then has 3 players compete in the chosen event, and the winner gets the extra point. How bad ass would a fastest shot or target shooting contest to decide a game be?

by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 22, 2012 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

But then that turns the end of the game into a joke and a spectacle. Oh wait…

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Boston would’ve won fastest shot, too.
/Chara’d

Target shoot, we might have a chance.
/G’d
//Scooter’d

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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Wait, are you saying that Homer should look into signing this guy?

by mtitanic on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone remember those old commercials that had Ovechkin targeting those Russian dolls, and Briere targeting the windows on that warehouse?

by pintium02 on Jan 23, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, those were sick.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, no wonder Read lost control of that puck

by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 22, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

…and then lost control of himself and ran into Thomas.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

And then Giroux fell too. (even though he scored)

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

He was tripped by Thomas’ stick as he skated by, not the ice.

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by JerseyDriver on Jan 23, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what they want you to believe. It’s a conspiracy

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by MJDII on Jan 23, 2012 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

See, I respect this.

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by Snevik on Jan 22, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

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by mikefive on Jan 22, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven’t seen anything in the rulebook that you can’t do that.

It is certainly savvy on Thomas’s part, although I am not sure how much I like it. Because as we saw when Matt Read took his shot, it does give Thomas an advantage. Whether something like that is fair or not is a judgment call in the eye of the beholder.

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by Justin F. on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t imagine it would be from a player safety stanpoint.

by j reed on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not much different from a puddle left behind by a zamboni, is it? I’m not actively disagreeing, I just don’t see it as a huge safety issue.

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by Snevik on Jan 22, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

But isn’t the league concerned with roughing the goalie.? If the player slips they could collide with the goalie is my line of thought.

by j reed on Jan 22, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

They certainly don’t seem to be too concerned about it when the goalie increases his own risk of danger. I don’t mind if the league does something about it, but I don’t think they necessarily need to. In the meantime, it’s a competitive advantage goalies SHOULD be taking.

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by Snevik on Jan 22, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

There is no increased risk of danger of liquid water in the crease, to anyone. Ice is harder than water, and stainless steel doesn’t have much trouble getting through either.

The water, laying there, does however form a seal around a rubber object and therefore will make a puck stick while deking.

I suspect there may be a conversation about this someday. Kind of like when Osgood used to make snowmen on his posts, back in the day. It is illegal to do that now…. and I wonder if emptying the water in the crease may also fall under rule 67.3 too….

67.3 states, “A goalkeeper shall be assessed a minor penalty when he deliberately piles up snow or obstacles at or near his net that, in the opinion of the Referee, would tend to prevent the scoring of a goal.”

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by dinkster on Jan 23, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I think a puddle could be defined as an “obstacle” Thomas deliberately created.

But how do you call a penalty in the Shootout? I’ve seen plenty of times where the goalie trips/slashes the shooter, including Thomas tripping up Giroux yesterday, and never seen a call.

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by Pelti on Jan 23, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah that’s my thinking. The player intentionally created an obstacle by altering the playing surface. How much of an obstacle it is I don’t know.

by j reed on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

According to Rule 24, if the goalkeeper were to do something that would ordinarily warrant a minor penalty, no penalty would be called but the shooter would get to take their shot again.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 23, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

But what he did happened before the skater even started. Presumably if they’re going to call the squirt illegal, they’d do it before the shot attempt, and there wouldn’t be any re-try.

It seems like all they’d do is clean up the puddle and tell him not to do it again.

by Eric T. on Jan 23, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad dog

It is a Boston Terrier

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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 23, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

True, I was just quoting what the rulebook says would happen if they decided it was foul play.

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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 24, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Am I remembering wrong? Didn’t Read slip and collide with Thomas on his shootout attempt?

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Water puddles won’t do much as far as skating, it just causes the puck to stick. You’re reaching with the puddle and skating.

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by DLJr on Jan 23, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough. I very rarely ice skate, so I wouldn’t know. I ski far more frequently, and a sudden change in texture there (loose snow/packed snow/ice/slush/puddle) makes a huge difference. But skis aren’t ice skates, so I’ll take your word on it.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean I don’t make it a habit of skating super hard during warm ups when the there are still some puddles, but going through it isn’t difficult (actually it’s not noticeable, but again I’m just getting loose), unless you have a puck, which will just stop on you.

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by DLJr on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Could you overreact to the puck stopping and take yourself out? (Not looking for an excuse for Read, just curious.)

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Well yeah it depends, if you lose the puck in that scenario and you try to find it in your feet (or anywhere where you have to look down), look up, see what’s in front of you, and just bail. Depends on your speed and how you react to it. I haven’t seen a replay of Read’s shot so I don’t know what happened. Right now I’m going with, “he fucked up”.

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by DLJr on Jan 23, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know however the puddle left from the zamboni is accidental whereas the other is intentional. I really don’t have any dogs in this fight so I don’t care but from a purely formal standpoint that’s a weak argument.

by j reed on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I mean you certainly could be right, it’s just a weak comparison.

by j reed on Jan 23, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically this. Every single player in the league cheats in small ways. Given that, I side with goalies because I’m partial.

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by Snevik on Jan 22, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

It reminds me of Horton pouring water on the ice in Vancouver last year before game 7…

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by JLS89 on Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

How about Mario pouring water on the ice before the Pens home opener last year?


Everyone saw that! But we still won anyway. :-p

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh wow… spotlight and everything. I also like the suit and skates look :)

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by JLS89 on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I also like the suit and skates look

Well yeah, what do you wear ice skating?

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought this was a miserable fail on the part of the Pens. They basically poured 30 years of miserable hockey on to the new ice surface. Yeah there is a couple years of luck mixed in, but not enough to overcome the misery.

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by MJDII on Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Gamesmanship

You can respect it but it is up to us to watch for it. Complain about it. Make the referees take the time to fix the situation. and take the time to remove the excess water. And if they keep it up find ways to get them back. Maybe have their lockeroom "locked by accident. the door to their entrance blocked by a delivery truck when theri bus arrives. Make it known that any garbage like this wil be met full on by similar stuff.

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by Fr. Orange and Black on Jan 23, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true, we can talk to the referees about a “bad spot” on the ice just as much as the goalie can and request repairs.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we make this a penalty somehow? I don’t know how it’d be enforced or anything like that, but this just seems unfair.

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by goldomatic on Jan 22, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much already did in their recap right now. Here

by mtitanic on Jan 22, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Lolz, my god can those guys whine over there

by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 22, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention Sestito getting suspended for targeting the head on a hit that wasn’t a headshot.

by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 22, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Drunken Bostonians are drunk.

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by Justin F. on Jan 22, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

All I see are synonyms in that sentence.

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by doubleh on Jan 23, 2012 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

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by Justin F. on Jan 23, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Coupla times. ;-)

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by doubleh on Jan 23, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

A win isn’t good enough for them I see…and coming off a Stanley Cup last year…their Pats are in the SB and favored to win. They can SABFBOD.

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by doubleh on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean SABOFD?

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess it doesn’t matter.

Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?

by mikefive on Jan 22, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I was using it to describe the bag, but yours works, too.

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by doubleh on Jan 22, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I am invoking Elijah and begging him to make another “helmet catch” pass in the most Super of Bowls this year.

May Eli and Victor Cruz eat up the Pats secondary. I can’t fucking stand Belichick and his talented ass-clowns.

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by mikefive on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, all those “diehard” Pats fans I know who didn’t even pay attention to the team prior to 2001.

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by doubleh on Jan 23, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Kind of like all those “diehard” bruins fans who would have never said they were a bruins fan after 2010 lol

by profoundnotions on Jan 23, 2012 8:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d.. and as I mentioned in the game thread yesterday… my facebook is normally blowing up at the B’s but since the Pats played at the same time, all I saw were Pats statuses.

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by JLS89 on Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

All I saw on facebook ALL NIGHT was gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over the Ravens losing. It’s still going this morning. If I ever blubber this much over the Flyers dropping out of the playoffs, slap me.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I really wish the Ravens were still in it, so I could have a team to root for. None of the other three teams need another title.

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by doubleh on Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Well the Ravens have Torrey Smith and the 49ers have Vernon Davis, both (awesome) former Terrapins, so that’s where my interest came from. Also, we’ve seen this matchup recently, so it’s boring.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This. Recent championships in all four major sports and all they do is whine. Go fuck yourselves, Boston.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Bruins “come from behind” to win, huh?

Okay, they did that ONCE in the third when they were down a goal. But thrice they blew leads (1-0 in the 1st, 3-1 in the 2nd, 5-4 in the 3rd).

The Flyers and their depleted lineup stayed right with the Bruins all night and refused to quit. They only lost because of the skills competition. We stood up to their intimidation by giving them a taste of their own medicine.

That’s not to say that the Bruins didn’t play well; they did. It was one of the best games I’ve been to in a long time because both teams worked hard and played well.

But if anyone “battled back” here, it was the Flyers.

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by mikefive on Jan 22, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep, they should have won and won handily…this battled back nonsense is nonsense. We were rolling out rookie central today. They are deep and healthy. I stand by my SABFBOD comment.

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by doubleh on Jan 22, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

we would definitely have done the same.

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 23, 2012 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

He’s just making room for his liquid pastries.

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by doubleh on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Watergate

/s, more often than not

by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 23, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

That picture by itself isn’t exactly incriminating. I mean, it could literally have been taken at almost any point in Thomas’ career with the Bs…

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by philiafan14364 on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d need to see the replay but I think Read lost control further out than that water bottle could spray.

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Then that settles it.

by j reed on Jan 23, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Any chance CSN will replay this game? I was unable to watch it and am pretty upset about that.

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by jbernat17 on Jan 22, 2012 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

Check the listings for TCN. It’s possible that it’d be on this afternoon.

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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 23, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s on demand if you have comcast.

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by MJDII on Jan 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome, thank you!

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by jbernat17 on Jan 23, 2012 3:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He looked really good yesterday.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Don’t bother. Some people won’t ever give up on their thoughts.

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by JerseyDriver on Jan 23, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

haha yea you are right. I just hate when people cant seperate hate from reality (like Eagles fans on McNabb and now Juan Castillo)

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

He played pretty well, vast majority of the goals were weak D and letting screens sit in front of goal. That being said, 8-out-of-10 top 10 paid goaltenders probably would not have allowed 5 shots in this game…so Bryz does deserve criticism.

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by TimKerr on Jan 23, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Guy walked into this game giving up 2 goals on his last 80+ shots….. and made some unreal saves on the Bruins today….

And you say this?

Just say it was a great, entertaining game. I would respect you more as a hockey fan if you just complained about something that really did suck today… the officiating.

I’m fine with goalies that let shots in they can’t see past screens. I’m fine with a skater having to pick a corner for a goal. Bruins are a great offensive and defensive team, and we took them to the mat. You don’t see anyone crying about how bad Tim Thomas wasn’t.

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by dinkster on Jan 23, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s easier to keep track if you actually watch them.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone knows that you don’t actually need to watch a hockey game to know how well a goalie played. You just need to read the box score on nhl.com. See, Bryz gave up 5 goals on 37 shots. Therefore, he played really poorly.

by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Bazinga.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

First, let me say taking a point away in a game like this with our injuries is huge.

Sir Travis and many have a very valid viewpoint on the OT shootout. Let me offer another viewpoint:

1) The only thing worse than the post-2005 NHL shootout is….the pre-2005 NHL overtime/tie. Nothing quite like watching 5-on-5 exhausted guys skate it out and often times play for the tie.
2) Energy – The 4-on-4 is absolutely thrilling to watch. Teams are forced to play to win, simpy because a mistake in 4-4 will often lead to a goal.
3) Full use of team – Unlike recent NFL Sudden Death OT, you need all parts of your game to deliver…goaltending, defense, and offense.
4) Sports = Entertainment. Let’s face it, we watch sports for athletes to demonstrate feats of amazement that we can’t perform. There is simply nothing less gratifying in the sport than an amazing 1-1 move, or a ridiculous toe save stopping said move. It’s part of the game, and a great way to showcase both star forwards and ice-blooded goalies.

At the end of the day, the loser still gets a point and the NHL gets more highlights and excitement to draw new fans. We should get over it and begin to find ways to perform better in OT. Let’s start with a save.

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by TimKerr on Jan 23, 2012 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

1) I still like the tie more, because a game like this does not deserve a winner.
2) I love the 4-4, but they could just have 2x 4v4 of 5 minutes
3) Im not sure what you mean by this (the NFL new rules also requires full use of team)
4) I think most disagree on this one.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

3) unless the first possession is a touchdown

by pintium02 on Jan 23, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

True, but it is very rare for the first possession to be a TD, before the rule change OT was often decided by a FG after a good return or a long catch.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

All of the above are true. Why they haven’t gone to an every game is 3 points system is beyond me.

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by goldomatic on Jan 23, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

OK finally caught up with game recaps and highlights. Very annoyed to have missed this one but had no choice.

Question: why did Schenn have to fight after a great clean hit? I mean the fight’s basically the Bruins telling him not to try that again. Try what again? Play hockey? Schenn should not have to answer for that hit.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

Answer: Because that’s how they play. They’re the modern-day Bullies. If you take a run on them- clean or not- you’re going to pay for it. It’s part of the intimidation game they play.

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by goldomatic on Jan 23, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Not really, in todays hockey a player decides if he wants to fight or not. I just think most players when challenged to fight will accept the challenge to show that are not afraid.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s my point- that’s how Boston plays. Schenn was challenged because he hit one of their guys. Therefore, he gets challenged to a fight. Schenn isn’t going to back down to show he’s not afraid.

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by goldomatic on Jan 23, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny, because the Boston writer on the BSB docu on HBO was the biggest whiner about how awful it was that those “dirty” Philly hockey teams won cups and what a disgrace it was to the sport.

Probably not complaining last year or this one.

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by doubleh on Jan 23, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m betting that writer was Shaughnessy wasn’t it? If so, disregard with extreme prejudice

by TomServo42 on Jan 23, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s fair enough. It’s just that from what I hear about Schenn’s game today I reckon him not being off the ice for 5 minutes might have been a difference maker and it seems unfortunate that he had to take himself off because of a great hit. But you’re right it’s the way Boston plays and if they intimidate Schenn because of it then they’ve done their job.

Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.

One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.

by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

After rule 48, it seems you have to respond to the hit like it was illegal.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s one thing, as a player, I’m really getting sick of. Yeah, you stick up for your team mate… but when he does something dumb and gets his clock cleaned….. fair enough. Mental note, line that guy up clean and lay him out in a few shifts.

I’m getting pissing tired of one guy getting hit within the rules of the game, and the guy who put the hit down gets chased around until he fights by another guy.

It’s fucking ridiculous. Play the fucking game.

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by dinkster on Jan 23, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

This!

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

This happens in about every other game on the schedule. And while your right It was a great, clean hit, if Kelly feels he needs to send a message not to lay one of my guys out then i am proud that Schenn said I’m not intimidated by your response and I will hit anyone I want. It’s a mind game and Kelly got the extra penalty so truthfully the bruins did pay a price for the retaliation. Skating away from Kelly there might have switched some momentum. I really think that fight by Schenn helped spark what turned into the flyers not cowering to the bully tactic of the bruins. That’s two days In a row teams pushed back on the bruins.

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by MJDII on Jan 23, 2012 6:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Shootouts Suck??

Didn’t a shootout victory allow the Flyers the opportunity to go to the playoffs and ultimately a Stanley Cup just two years ago? Honestly, If the Flyers were to never win another shootout they would still be way ahead of any other NHL in terms of benefiting from that rule. That situation will probably never occur again in the NHL.

by Blue Skys on Jan 23, 2012 6:57 AM EST reply actions  

It cant because they changed to rules, making the shootout even more pointless.

by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

If the league didn’t have shoot outs, would the Flyers have needed it to make the playoffs that year?

Also, stop trolling.

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by DLJr on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

If the league didn’t have shoot outs, would the Flyers have needed it to make the playoffs that year?

I don’t remember for certain, but I think I saw where somebody went through the standings and simply removed all shootout wins from the points (so that those games would have ended in a tie), and the answer was no. The Flyers would have been in. But I could be wrong. I can’t seem to find anything about it now…

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Just look up the standings on NHL.com, if you do that, the Flyers still make it (I knew the answer, I was just being a smart ass to the obvious troll). One of Mtl or Bos would have swapped out with the Rangers though.

Basically, his point is pointless.

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by DLJr on Jan 23, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, NHL does provide enough info to figure this out. I should really look there first for stats instead of yahoo or ESPN. They just give the W-L-OTL and points totals, so you can’t subtract SO wins from that. NHL provides a lot more information, and I really shouldn’t be surprised by this.

So yeah. If games never went to shootouts and just ended in ties, the Flyers were still in. Suck it, troll.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

NHL Shootout Stats 2009-10

The Flyers were 4-3 in shootouts, Rangers 3-4.
But even if you take those points away, the Flyers won 37 games, the Rangers 35 which gives the Flyers the tiebreaker, even tied on points.

The rangers, despite 11 OT losses, still would have beaten MTL though, because the habs had 7 SO wins.

And this is why every game needs 3 points.

Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.

by Pelti on Jan 23, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup, exactly what I found, once I was looking in the right place.

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by hintzy64 on Jan 23, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I hate the shootout, when I think about our record in recent shootouts, the first one that pops to my mind is that Rangers one in 2010…if we never win another shootout, well, we’ll always have that one.

by RogueConvict on Jan 23, 2012 7:10 AM EST reply actions  

Missed the first 2 periods...

So can somebody fill me in as to why they had to delay the last 48 or so seconds of the 2nd?

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by PraiseMartyMoose on Jan 23, 2012 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

Hats!

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by MJDII on Jan 23, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  


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