Looking at Calder Candidates halfway through
I wanted to look at Calder candidates, mainly because the Flyers have two, and also because I figure the award again will go to the player with the flashiest G-A-Pts-Plus/Minus, not necessarily the one who drives play forward, or draws penalties, or has a high on-ice scoring percentage and a high on-ice save percentage. Last year that guy was Michael Grabner, and we all know Logan Couture won it over him and Jeff Skinner. Hey, all 3 are great players but the best overall performance belonged to Grabner.
So how I decided to take a look at Behind the Net and do some simple comparisons. Not enough to make Eric proud, but just to get a hint at what's really going on under the hood. Maybe we can find the most deserving rookie, at the half-way point - and predict who'll actually get the award since there's a good chance it won't be one who shines quietly. I am not including defensemen because it's harder to measure them, I think, and I'm lazy. After the jump, the numbers.
I looked at NHL.com to find the rookie scoring leaders, and BehindtheNet.com for the advanced stats. I took six categories that I'd want in my rookie of the year, and ranked them 1 to 6 by importance to me: CorsiRel, CorsiRelQoC, PDO, Pts/60, OZoneDiff, and PenaltyRatio. OZoneDiff is simply (OZoneFinish - OZoneStart) and PenaltyRatio is (PenTaken/60)/(PenDrawn/60), so less than 1 is good and zero is perfect. For a straight ranking of candidates, I took the average of each player's rank in the six categories. For a weighted average, I used a sliding scale of sixths: (CorsiRel x 1), (CorsiRelQoC x .83), (PDO x .67), etc. It's somewhat crude but it gets the job done. (Edited 24 January to fix the 2nd table, and revise somewhat the following paragraph.)
First chart is the BehindTheNet data in full, sorted by CorsiRel: (I apologize for the formatting, the table is too wide and got cutoff. I don't know how to make it narrower.)
|
NAME |
GP |
TOI/60 |
Corsi Rel QoC |
Corsi QoC |
Corsi Relative |
CorsiOn |
On-Ice SH% |
On-Ice SV% |
PDO |
Pens Taken/60 |
Pens Drawn/60 |
Pen Ratio |
Off Zone Start % |
Off Zone Finish % |
Off Zone Diff |
G/60 |
A1/60 |
A2/60 |
P/60 |
|
CARL HAGELIN |
28 |
13.04 |
0.706 |
1.133 |
17.4 |
10.02 |
9.48 |
938 |
1032 |
0.7 |
0.5 |
1.40 |
40.2 |
46.4 |
6.2 |
0.99 |
0.49 |
0.82 |
2.3 |
|
GABRIEL LANDESKOG |
48 |
14.29 |
0.748 |
0.954 |
10.8 |
11.64 |
7.29 |
930 |
1003 |
0.8 |
0.3 |
2.67 |
55.1 |
50.9 |
-4.2 |
0.7 |
0.26 |
0.35 |
1.31 |
|
RYAN JOHANSEN |
41 |
11.28 |
-0.429 |
-0.166 |
8.3 |
8.57 |
7.51 |
926 |
1002 |
1 |
0.5 |
2.00 |
56.7 |
53.6 |
-3.1 |
0.65 |
0.65 |
0.26 |
1.56 |
|
CRAIG SMITH |
46 |
12.28 |
0.456 |
0.366 |
3.9 |
-5.31 |
7.43 |
911 |
985 |
1.3 |
0.7 |
1.86 |
51.3 |
47.7 |
-3.6 |
0.42 |
0.74 |
0.32 |
1.49 |
|
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS |
38 |
13.29 |
0.09 |
-0.761 |
3.8 |
-3.33 |
9.88 |
926 |
1025 |
0.1 |
0.5 |
0.20 |
66.8 |
57.1 |
-9.7 |
1.19 |
0.48 |
0.36 |
2.02 |
|
SEAN COUTURIER |
42 |
9.49 |
0.086 |
-0.639 |
2.9 |
1.81 |
11.16 |
942 |
1053 |
0.8 |
1.1 |
0.73 |
41.9 |
46.8 |
4.9 |
1.2 |
0.9 |
0.45 |
2.56 |
|
LUKE ADAM |
48 |
10.86 |
0.047 |
0.17 |
1.8 |
-1.61 |
7.63 |
920 |
996 |
0.7 |
0.5 |
1.40 |
57.8 |
55.5 |
-2.3 |
1.15 |
0.35 |
0.46 |
1.96 |
|
ADAM HENRIQUE |
42 |
14.08 |
0.509 |
-0.128 |
1 |
-0.61 |
10.14 |
892 |
994 |
0 |
0.6 |
0.00 |
49.8 |
49.3 |
-0.5 |
0.71 |
0.71 |
0.61 |
2.03 |
|
MATT READ |
43 |
11.68 |
0.572 |
-0.457 |
0.4 |
2.39 |
11.9 |
925 |
1044 |
0 |
0.8 |
0.00 |
49.3 |
48.4 |
-0.9 |
1.31 |
0.48 |
0.72 |
2.51 |
|
COLIN GREENING |
49 |
13.49 |
0.455 |
-0.735 |
-1.4 |
2.18 |
9.67 |
899 |
995 |
0.6 |
0.5 |
1.20 |
57.4 |
48.5 |
-8.9 |
0.64 |
0.45 |
0.54 |
1.63 |
|
CODY HODGSON |
48 |
10.23 |
0.194 |
-0.486 |
-2.7 |
4.76 |
10.62 |
923 |
1029 |
0.2 |
1.2 |
0.17 |
47.7 |
44.9 |
-2.8 |
0.86 |
0.61 |
0.73 |
2.2 |
|
NICK JOHNSON |
43 |
13.4 |
1.399 |
1.84 |
-4.1 |
-17.07 |
7.44 |
947 |
1022 |
0.6 |
0.4 |
1.50 |
41.8 |
48.4 |
6.6 |
0.62 |
0.73 |
0.1 |
1.46 |
The second chart shows my six categories in order from most important to least, with each player's rank and the Weighted Rank over the six categories. Just below that are the same numbers, and the straight Average Rank. For giggles, I also included rank in Points (G+A), just to see -- but points are not calculated in the rankings.
|
Corsi Relative |
Corsi Rel QoC |
PDO |
P/60 |
Off Zone Diff |
PenRatio |
|||
|
Rank |
Rank |
Rank |
Rank |
Rank |
Rank |
Pts Rank |
Weighted Rank |
|
|
CARL HAGELIN |
1 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
2 |
7 |
10 |
1.475 |
|
MATT READ |
9 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
5 |
1 |
3 |
2.747 |
|
SEAN COUTURIER |
6 |
11 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
5 |
9 |
3.023 |
|
GABRIEL LANDESKOG |
2 |
2 |
7 |
12 |
11 |
14 |
7 |
3.393 |
|
ADAM HENRIQUE |
8 |
5 |
11 |
5 |
4 |
1 |
2 |
3.918 |
|
NICK JOHNSON |
12 |
1 |
6 |
11 |
1 |
9 |
11 |
4.035 |
|
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS |
5 |
10 |
5 |
6 |
13 |
4 |
1 |
4.103 |
|
CODY HODGSON |
11 |
8 |
4 |
4 |
8 |
3 |
4 |
4.245 |
|
CRAIG SMITH |
4 |
6 |
12 |
10 |
10 |
10 |
5 |
4.503 |
|
RYAN JOHANSEN |
3 |
13 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
12 |
4.777 |
|
LUKE ADAM |
7 |
12 |
9 |
7 |
6 |
8 |
8 |
4.972 |
|
COLIN GREENING |
10 |
7 |
10 |
8 |
12 |
6 |
6 |
5.248 |
|
Avg Rank |
||||||||
|
CARL HAGELIN |
1 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
2 |
7 |
10 |
3.17 |
|
MATT READ |
9 |
4 |
2 |
2 |
5 |
1 |
3 |
3.83 |
|
SEAN COUTURIER |
6 |
11 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
5 |
9 |
4.50 |
|
ADAM HENRIQUE |
8 |
5 |
11 |
5 |
4 |
1 |
2 |
5.67 |
|
CODY HODGSON |
11 |
8 |
4 |
4 |
8 |
3 |
4 |
6.33 |
|
NICK JOHNSON |
12 |
1 |
6 |
11 |
1 |
9 |
11 |
6.67 |
|
RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS |
5 |
10 |
5 |
6 |
13 |
4 |
1 |
7.17 |
|
GABRIEL LANDESKOG |
2 |
2 |
7 |
12 |
11 |
14 |
7 |
8.00 |
|
LUKE ADAM |
7 |
12 |
9 |
7 |
6 |
8 |
8 |
8.17 |
|
CRAIG SMITH |
4 |
6 |
12 |
10 |
10 |
10 |
5 |
8.67 |
|
COLIN GREENING |
10 |
7 |
10 |
8 |
12 |
6 |
6 |
8.83 |
|
RYAN JOHANSEN |
3 |
13 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
12 |
12 |
9.00 |
The first two things that jumped out at me were the performance of Carl Hagelin of the Rangers and Nick Johnson of the Minnesota Wild. Have you seen any mainstream writers mentioning these guys as Calder candidates? I hadn't. I'd heard of Hagelin since we play the Rangers but didn't realize how well he's doing, at least in these six categories. And Nick Johnson? Whodat? Good player, evidently! Great CorsiRel, seems to face tough competition, and really moves the play forward. But he doesn't score much, so he'll be ignored. Notice also that Hagelin is 10th in points of these 12 forwards; welcome to Ignore, Carl. You don't deserve it.
The next thing was that the top 6 are the same in weighted and straight average rank - except for the #4/5 slots, occupied by Henrique and Cody Hodgson (Vancouver) in straight rank, and Landeskog/Henrique in weighted rank. Landeskog has excellent Corsi numbers, but is sheltered and loses out a bit with the O-Zone and Penalty metrics. Hodgson plays tougher minutes, and shines in PDO and in drawing penalties, enough to make them switch places in my criteria system. Henrique suffers in PDO but is pretty solid otherwise, with a bit of a low Corsi Rel - but is well-rounded enough to keep him in the top 5.
So from this data and the way I chose to evaluate it, looks like Carl Hagelin is my top Calder Candidate, with Read and Couturier trailing him closely. And the odds-on favorite, I suspect - Nugent-Hopkins, is strictly middle-of-the-pack, and trails Nick Johnson. Go figure.
All these guys, including Johansen and Greening, are doing a great job in the NHL at their age. So kudos to all of them. How do you guys (and ladies) see this ranking, and what are your thoughts on who (so far) is most deserving? Did I grossly misjudge a particular category, maybe Corsi QoC or the combination of that and O-Zone Start %? (This is my first foray into comparing these things on my own. And I wasn't up to plotting QoC vs. O-Zone start to find the heavy lifters.) Also, do you think Matt Read's age matters? Despite his extra years being at college level, does being 25 automatically give you an advantage? Not saying he's disqualified, more of a "head start".
This item was written by a member of this community and is not necessarily endorsed by Broad Street Hockey.
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Now this is interesting stuff. It is a look at highly anticipated young talent through advanced stats. Now we all know this is as much a popularity contest driven by goals first then total points. So unless something drastically changes either Read or RNH will win the Calder. Actually other then a nuclear holocaust RNH will win this because there is no way anybody wearing Orange & Black is allowed to win this trophy. But I really will be interested in the future of these players and if these stats can truly be a predictor of their promise. I neither have the attention span nor ability to put a chart together of past top rookies through advanced stats predicting their actual success.
Commenter formerly known as M from Pdaddy, but still just Call Me "M"!
DISCLAIMER: Information written above may not be entirely factual nor provable with the use of complex statistics. But it may induce thought, humor and possibly laughter.
There’s also Henrique who has garnered a lot of attention.
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I believe in next year.
by red army line on Jan 23, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
You must be enjoying the fact that Hagelin, Henrique, Larsson, Couturier, Read and Schenn are going to be fairly developed players by the time the Caps enter the division ;-)
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Luckily, except for Hagelin, I think those young guys will force older guys out. I counter with Orlov, Kuznetsov, Eakin, Grigorenko (Caps 1st this year), and maybe the youngest competent blueline in the league.
No, what I’m worried about is Ovechkin being an undeveloped player. He’s a project that one. Good thing power forwards generally take longer to develop.
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by red army line on Jan 24, 2012 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Again, anyone can win that award besides a Flyer. So I will not be upset or surprised.
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Very interesting. However, I would advise that if you’re going to do things by rankings you take a look at using ‘Balanced Zone Shift’ (zone shift compared to how much you expect at that zone start) and ‘Balanced Corsi Rel’ (Corsi Rel compared to how much you expect at that zone start). I wrote a fanpost on Balanced CorsiRel a while ago that gave me the following formula:
Balanced Corsi Rel = Corsi Rel – (0.5409*O-zone start -26.9957)
When you do that for these guys you get in order:
Hagelin 22.65
Landeskog 7.99
Couturier 7.23
Johansen 4.63
Smith 3.15
Henrique 1.06
Read 0.73
Johnson 0.29
Hodgson -1.51
Adam -2.47
RNH -5.34
Greening -5.45
I’m not entirely convinced on Johnson but I do think Hagelin is very interesting. He has done amazingly well and is a great potential Calder candidate. To me I would go 1) Hagelin, 2) Couturier.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 9:09 PM EST reply actions
I actually believe Couturier will garner more votes then Read. Read is to much of an unknown and undrafted goes against the league system of things.
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Read will get tons of votes, he currently lead all rookies in goals.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 23, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Im not sure about that. He has some things going against him. He is a non traditional rookie, he wasnt drafted, he didn’t play juniors and he didn’t win a hobey baker and he plays for the flyers. He clearly needs to lead big time in goals and points. Anything close I am afraid aint doing it. IMO
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I know atleast one person that had him as the his Calder winner before the season started and if he ends up leading in goals and points, I cant see how he will not win, unless the voters suddenly decides to use adv stats.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
I think it's also worth mentioning this here:
I read this elsewhere and haven’t double checked for accuracy. It’s dated to the 18th of Jan – with goals and assists since then it might have even increased.
Sean Couturier’s current P/60 for 5 on 5 play: 2.64 (highest among rookies, 25th in the entire NHL)
Other leading rookies:
RNH:2.02
Matt Read: 2.44
Adam Henrique: 2.14
Cody Hodgson: 1.91
Gabriel Landeskog: 1.37
Craig Smith: 1.57
Ryan Johansen: 1.56
Centers who finished 2010-2011 with better P/60 rates than Couturier currently has going:
Crosby: 3.98
Henrik Sedin: 2.78
Danny Briere: 2.77
David Krejci: 2.76
Pavel Datsyuk: 2.72
Steven Stamkos: 2.71
Claude Giroux: 2.69
Anze Kopitar: 2.68
Rookies who finished 2010-2011 with better P/60 rates:
NONE
Last rookie to post a better P/60 than Couturier for a full season:
NONE (dating back to the 07-08 season when behind the net first started compiling their data)
That’s pretty freaking awesome.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 PM EST reply actions
Dayyyuummm
That is pretty amazing. That is one top-notch group of centers, there, Lappyness. I hadn’t remembered your post on Balanced Zone Shift; that might be a better analysis tool than using arithmetic with two related stats.
I was really surprised at Hagelin, too. I only watch the Rangers when they play the Flyers, and I’d heard his name but the guy’s really excelling. I’ll have to look up his draft rank/year. Craig Smith is darn good player, too.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jan 23, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
While I did a post on Balanced Corsi Rel, I never did a post on Balanced Zone Shift (had meant to, but never got around to it) but if you search I’m pretty sure Eric’s done something.
Carl Hagelin was picked 168th overall (6th round) 2007. So he’s got a bit of an age advantage over his competitors (he’s from the JVR, Voracek draft class) but nonetheless he’s done fantastically for a 6th rounder.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
Glen Sather drafter a winner in the 6th round? Whodathunkit?
by Georgia_Flyer on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
It still doesn’t excuse him from passing on about 20 future all-stars to draft Hugh Jessiman though haha.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 23, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Oh snap.
I just noticed my last table isn’t sorted properly anymore. Wonder when I did that…. Perhaps I’ll fix it on an edit.
Uh...
Last year that guy was Michael Grabner, and we all know Logan Couture won it over him and Jeff Skinner.
Skinner won the past Calder, not Couture, unless I’m misreading that statement.
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Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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Yikes!
Well cover me in honey and tie me to an anthill! (no fire ants, please)
This is why I hesitate to make fanposts. Two edits, and I got last year’s winner wrong.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions

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