Newton, Nietzsche, and Narratives
I saw an article on Puck Daddy the other day about Islanders broadcasters ripping a statistical analysis of John Tavares, and while I'm certainly not 100% sold on the analysis in question, I got to thinking about the response and why it seems to be so common. This rambling, probably incoherent fanpost is what I've come up with.
Newton, Nietzsche, and Narratives: Why People are Resistant to In-Depth Analysis
From the beginning of human civilization, we have striven to make sense of the world around us. Early societies used extensive mythology to fill in the vast gaps in their knowledge of the universe, and the rituals which they invented in an attempt to control the mysterious forces of nature have been covered in as much detail as anyone could ever ask for in The Golden Bough. While such superstitions seem primitive to modern man, are we really so different? The need to assign purpose or reason to the often cruel caprices of the universe which led to those superstitions is still alive and well in the world today, albeit in a slightly different form.
The Scientific Revolution which began during the Renaissance set us on the path to a more complete understanding of the world we live in, replacing myths with hard evidence and verifiable results. Droughts, floods, storms, earthquakes, and disease have all shifted from the realm of wrathful gods to that of natural phenomena. With no human-related causes to such disasters, any chance of preventing them or at least finding meaning in them after the fact was lost. With divine influence removed from nature, its only remaining realm was that of metaphysics.
In Die fröhliche Wissenschaft, however, Nietzsche famously declared that God is dead within us as well. This of course is not meant literally, but rather to show that we have lost our connection to any objective system of order or morality that might exist independently of the human mind. Looking at the general lack of respect or consideration which people show to each other and their surroundings in the world today, I don't think this point requires argument. The loss of this connection led to the concept of nihilism, the twisting of which led to Nazism, among other things (as shown by Albert Camus).
With modern science and philosophy tearing down the old superstitions, and the continued vicissitudes of fate being joined by the threat of nihilism, people cling to their beleaguered belief that life is somehow supposed to be fair more desperately than ever. This is especially true in America, where we are raised on the idea that if you work hard and do the right thing, you will always succeed. I'm trying really hard to keep religion and politics out of this, so I'll move straight into sports now even though it will probably detract from the connection I'm trying to make here. (This post is getting too long anyway).
So now we come to the anti-stats arguments. The main thing that Grit, Hustle, Will, Heart, etc. have in common is that they are all unquantifiable. Their existence and the extent of their effect can neither be proven nor disproven, making them perfect substitutes for objective claims that could be proven false. Any attempts to introduce objective information into the conversation are invariably drowned out by the bleating of Orwellian sheep ("Use your eyes, watch the games!"). But why celebrate voluntary ignorance? Edit- I want to make explicitly clear that I am not criticizing people who think about things with an open mind and just happen to disagree, I'm criticizing those who ridicule things without making an effort to understand them.
Just like the primitive civilizations who believed that their chants and sacrifices could bring the rain, sports fans want to believe that their team's Grit and Heart (and Truculence!) can maintain an unsustainable PDO in spite of poor possession metrics. Just as our ancestors would kill or drive off “witches” to make the crops grow, people want to believe that exorcising a talented “locker room cancer” will increase the team's Hustle and Will, thereby making up for the decrease in objective talent.
Media narratives like “lack of mental toughness,” “guy with something to prove” or “a team buying into the system” feed into not only our perception bias but also that desire to control our own destiny which goes back to those prehistoric rituals. If the “gritty, hard working” player can outperform the “naturally talented but lazy*” player, it reinforces our naïve belief that we will all get what we deserve. Stats pull aside the curtain and reveal undesirable truths by pointing out the inevitability of random variation and regression. This goes against what it is our nature to want to believe, in one of the few remaining areas in which blind faith in our ability to control the world around us remains possible. Essentially, deprecating “intangibles” amounts to attacking people's concept of life, the universe, everything. I believe that this is the source of such vitriol as this diatribe from Islanders announcer Howie Rose:
[H]e came up with some kind of goofball numerical response. I don't know who this house-bound agoraphobe is, but I suggest he open the shades in room, get a little light in there and watch the games and stop playin' around with, you know, computer-based [cross talk] and calculators … give me a break! Open your eyes! ... That's just stupid. There's no other way to put it.
Why else would so many conversations about whether stats can supplement and even improve observations end up getting as heated as a creation vs. evolution debate or a presidential campaign?
So now that I've worked through my thoughts here, am I just reading way too far into this ongoing debate? Do my disjointed ramblings completely misjudge human nature? More importantly, how do we work through the issues (whatever they may be) and have constructive conversations with more traditional fans?
*(BTW, for non-Phillies fans- the link to Dom Brown was a reference to a fabricated media narrative, just like the other links in that paragraph)
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Nice fanpost.
For the most part, you are preaching to the choir. We may not all have a great grasp of advanced hockey statistics, but we have at least been schooled on their relevance and importance thanks to BSH.
But…if you’re paying this much attention to a Puck Daddy article on the Islanders and Tavares, you are less like Nietzsche and more like Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. You’re a masochist. (Probably a poor analogy. Just because masochism was named after him, doesn’t mean he was. Just because we call Rinaldo bat-shit crazy…oh wait.)
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It wasn’t so much that particular article as it was the continued stream of anti-stats rhetoric I keep hearing. This was just the latest one that got me thinking about where it all comes from.
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by Phaninsanfran on Jan 24, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
The more someone tries to shoehorn their particular brand of religion (or ir-religion) and politics into hockey discussion, the less seriously I take them.
See whining about Tim Thomas, SOPA et al.
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by BannedStreetBully on Jan 24, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions
“Man is by nature a political animal” – Aristotle
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
“I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.” – Jeremiah
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
So wait a minute…you don’t like it when people discuss politics or religion re: hockey, so you respond with a quote from the Bible?
Personally, I have no issues with discussing politics/religion as the situation merits. I think all conversation is born of different perspectives which include separate outlooks/environments and what have you. So long as they aren’t attacking anyone else’s beliefs, they are part of what make us who we are.
Also, you don’t like the whining about Thomas, but his original statement was political, too. Political gestures merit political response.
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by mikefive on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I went out of my way to NOT talk about religion or politics, the point of the post is linking the intensity of the anti-stats rhetoric to a fundamental component of human nature which we all experience to some degree. I think that if we realize that we all share both a desire for order and control over our destiny as well as a thirst for knowledge (albeit in slightly different proportions), both sides of this issue can understand each other better and maybe find some common ground.
"A misanthropic anthropoid with nothing to say"
by Phaninsanfran on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
In other words…that versus this.
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My post is not so much concerned with the content of this particular argument, just the tone and the way it seems to reflect the general debate over this issue (as well as most other debates in this country).
"A misanthropic anthropoid with nothing to say"
by Phaninsanfran on Jan 26, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I think people may also come up with narratives and assumptions about athletes’ personalities out of a deep desire to “be in the room” and to “know” the guys they (often) idolize. So much emotion is tied to following sports that we look for ways to understand what’s going on through our emotions, and we tend to trust our human feelings (and eyes) more than inhuman numbers. It takes effort to divorce ourselves from our emotions and look at sports objectively. Some people may fulfill their needs for community and excitement through sports and might be living vacariously through their preferred athletes without even realizing it. I mean, who wouldn’t want to live the life of a millionaire pro athlete? And dammit, if they struggle, it’s because they weren’t man enough to handle it. If coach had just let me play in the fourth quarter senior year, we woulda won the championship. I coulda been a star, I was this close.
These people take offense when stat geeks reduce their dopamine fix to dry, soulless numbers. They are unwilling to enjoy sports in any other way besides the excitement of watching and trying to put themselves in the shoes of the players.
Honestly though, people enjoy sports in different ways and for different reasons. I’m one of the “emotions” people myself. I watch sports for the dopamine fix, like a natural (?) anti-depressant. I tend to theorize why guys are struggling (I usually assume it’s bad luck or injury) and it takes real effort for me to understand stats. It’s not really wrong to not want to put forth that effort. Sometimes I don’t feel like it either. But when I don’t feel like it, I know full well that if I disagree with someone who is showing me numbers, I’m probably wrong. And if I’m right, I can’t prove it and unless I am the player in question (which I’m not) or know someone with first-hand knowledge of the situation, I can’t know if I’m right. I don’t understand how someone can think in their heads “you’re wrong, I just know it. But I can’t prove why you’re wrong, I just know you are and I’m going to be obnoxious about it because you’re just so wrong. It’s probably because you have no soul, you robot nerd.”
Like you mentioned, it comes down to respectful disagreement.
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by LeepinLizardz on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent points. I think we all get interested in sports for the excitement and intensity of a well-played game; I’ve never met anyone who is only interested in a game because it provides some numbers for them to analyze. I think that’s part of what bothers me about all of this- the implication that if you make an effort to appreciate the game on an objective level as well as a visceral one that you are somehow not a true fan.
I guess it’s sort of like watching an illusionist. For some people, knowing the secret of the trick takes away their enjoyment of it; others find the underlying processes almost as interesting as the effect they produce. Neither way is wrong, they’re just different ways of enjoying the same thing. So why can’t everybody just bond over the common interest instead of tearing each other apart over minor differences?
"A misanthropic anthropoid with nothing to say"
by Phaninsanfran on Jan 27, 2012 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
This comment deserves a post in itself. Marx, Freud and others have discussed the importance of hero worship (which is a small part of what believing in a God provides) and the narcotic effect of belief systems (I’m talking about the shared church-like experience of NFL Sunday, not the belief systems of statistics). Spectator sport is an addiction for many and I think there is much “I wish there were me/This could have been me” going on for male fans.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 29, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Idea for my second fanpost- "From BF Skinner to Jeff Skinner:
How Conditioning Players to Give Bland, Cookie-Cutter Interviews Slowly
Drains them of Free Will"
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by Phaninsanfran on Jan 30, 2012 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Any person who references nihilism in a sports article gets a rec from me. Well done.
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by iJewJitsu on Jan 30, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Shut the F&!@ up iJewJitsu, you’re out of your element!
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by Phaninsanfran on Jan 31, 2012 1:02 AM EST up reply actions

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