Thursday Morning Fly By: It's Not Quantity, It's Quality
by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Two very good articles on the Flyers at the break, with some good insight from GM Paul Holmgren: [CSNPhilly] [Frequent Flyers]
- Matt Read still can't believe he's in the NHL, let alone the All-Star weekend: [Daily News]
- Sergei Bobrovsky is unquestionably the Flyers' best goalie right now:[The Checking Line]
- Claude Giroux is heading home for the All-Star game: [Inquirer]
- The Atlantic Division is not easy this year, and even with their injuries, the Penguins are right behind the Flyers: [the700level]
- Chris Pronger is an anchor on the Flyers cap: [Hockey Prospectus]
- The Phantoms lost to Manchester, 5-1 last night: [PostStar]
- Antero Niittymaki was placed on waivers by the Sharks, they didn't tell him, he doesn't want to be in the "organization at all anymore", and there are a couple of suitors in Columbus and Tampa Bay. Good luck, Frank: [Puck Daddy] [the700level]
- In a surprising move, the Maple Leafs extended John-Michael Liles with a four year, $15.5 million deal. They are now paying their #4, #6, and #7 defensemen $12 million. Looks like someone is about to be traded: [Pension Plan Puppets]
- The anonymous player talks about why the NHLPA rejected the proposed realignment: [Puck Daddy]
- Matt Hendricks got his ear split after taking a slapshot to the side of the head. He then got the stitches broken after taking a puck to the head 3 days later. Graphic image of his ear: [Deadspin]
- Explaining score effects in easy to understand graphs and small paragraphs: [Driving Play]
- Defending the Blue Line, the organization that helps children of armed service members play the sport, is up for an award directly from the President. They need people to vote, so go ahead and help them out: [Joining Forces]
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The Puck Daddy article from “The Player” on the NHLPA is a great read; and really turned my mind around on how I view the NHLPA’s rejection of the proposal. Although I’m still wary that it’s just another shot in the PR battle. Still, worth your while to give it a read.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 26, 2012 6:41 AM EST reply actions
It seemed the player repeated himself in different ways basically saying the players wanted to be included in the plan making. Not that the players didn’t like the plan or disagree they were just never given an opinion. So what was the problem? Other then travel. Oh yea and playoff format because mediocre franchises are mad they can’t be eliminated in the first round. Next thing you know everybody will get trophies so no one has to lose.
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I’m not sure he said that the PA wanted to be part of the plan making; more that they wanted a bit more transparency and were not willing to accept a proposal without having their questions answered. I think that’s fair enough. If (and I am skeptical) the NHL have closed themselves to even talking to the players about any concerns they have, I can’t fault the players. The pathway for a proposal as large as this to be accepted is that it needs to be accepted by the Board of Governors and then ratified by the Players Association. If you put yourself in the shoes of the Players Association, you surely need to have the self-respect to not just mindlessly tick ‘yes’ in all the boxes and actually critically analyse the details of the proposal.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 26, 2012 6:55 AM EST up reply actions
I agree when it comes to complex issues but it’s an alignment of teams and a basis for scheduling. It’s not the CBA. A mock schedule, really, it’s still 82 games and teams that travel now will travel again.
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by MJDII on Jan 26, 2012 7:14 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah I guess. I do find comments like ‘we have to travel for a road trip to Anaheim/LA, and then come back east, and then later go to San Jose, and then come back, and then later go to Vancouver, and then come back, woe is us’ as a bit precious. There are people who do ordinary jobs who have to travel across the country frequently. There aren’t multiple road trips just for the fun of it; making a schedule to suit everyone isn’t the easiest business going around.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 26, 2012 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
right people who do ordinary jobs. I don’t know how tall you are but im 6’2. if I had to take those long flights constantly then play at a high level only to fly back again that is going to take a huge toll on your legs. it just doesn’t feel good to have to do that frequently. it tightens everything up and yes you can stretch but I think little nagging injuries like pulls would increase.
by profoundnotions on Jan 26, 2012 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hey man not for nothing but these guys are professional athletes. These are not normal humans. This is why out of 2 billion people on the planet these 1000 guys do this at this level. Being able to perform as they do while living the lifestyles they separates them from the rest of us. They fly on private charters where every seat is of the first class variety. And there are beds and training staff on these flights. It is not the same as Up in the Air, sales warrior. Did you see 24/7 when Callahan got on the plane late, there was a fresh meal, ice packs and a trainer.
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You’re right that the alignment is not the CBA, but it is in the League’s Bylaws, which don’t have an expiration date like the CBA does. Unfortunately the sections of the Bylaws that explain the realignment procedure (page 15 of the Resolutions and Appendix II) aren’t included in my leaked copy of the document.
The current CBA also includes some rules about how the league schedule is determined and the playoff format in Article 16. They are not detailed, they are more of a guideline really, but there is definitely some language in the CBA to reference those topics.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 26, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Leaked copy. Better keep that on the down low DG. Good thing there are lawyers on the masthead. Hey when are the damn nuptials? I have left the topic alone for some time now but somethings got to give. ;-)
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No worries, I didn’t obtain it illegally. While the NHL never intended it to be distributed to fans, but it became public record as an exhibit in the Coyotes bankruptcy case when they were trying to prove they could prevent Balsillie from moving the team to Hamilton. The problem is that the attachments and appendices to the Bylaws weren’t relevant to the case, and so they were not included as evidence.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 26, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Well if there are guidelines to how something like realignment needs to be handled then they need to follow the guidelines.
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Oh yea and playoff format because mediocre franchises are mad they can’t be eliminated in the first round
I’m confused. Doesn’t the realignment make it easier for mediocre teams not to be eliminated? Why would those teams be mad about that? Personally I’m all for making it harder to get to the play-offs. With all the parity in the league even mediocre teams have enough talent to do some serious damage in the post season. Its’ already enough of a crapshoot.
There will never be a great realignment plan if teams in the far corners of North America complain about traveling. Travel will never be even for anyone out of the northeast regions. That can not be changed. Maybe guarantee no back to back games. I never understood the back to back or the three games in four nights thing, especially when teams then go 5,6,7 days with no games a couple times a year. The league would probably have better competition if teams played no more then every other night at the most.
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Was it you that suggested designated ‘hockey nights’ throughout the year to uniformify the schedule?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 26, 2012 6:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Make Tuesday and Thursday nights NHL nights and mix around the weekends as needed.
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From a fantasy team scheduling standpoint, I hate you. Having my whole fucking roster play one day, and then nobody the next day (and then keep repeating that pattern) blows.
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Agreed on all counts
How come I never get one of these after my comments? :-P
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by MJDII on Jan 26, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to earn it, M. Patience. :-p
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by hintzy64 on Jan 26, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Question
Take the hypothetical that the Flyers have an Over 35 contract that the last couple of years are low actual salary but high salary cap. Say that player is willing to be traded and there is a team out there that does not want to spend actual salary but wants to get over the salary cap floor. Does it work that way? Can you trade a high salary cap to a team struggling to reach to salary floor even though his actual salary is much lower?
Yeah, I think their cap hit only is pro-rated when they are trade during the season, if they aren’t using LTIR. Not a 100% sure. Someone with better knowledge of the CBA can clarify.
-bob
by Rrainone on Jan 26, 2012 8:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eh. Daily cap hit stays the same (since the cap is calculated daily) and his yearly hit is still the same, but the yearly amount paid appears lower, since it is split between the two teams that had paid him. e.g. a $4 million player gets traded halfway through the season, the new team has to be able to fit ($4 million/ days in the season) in their daily cap, but at the end of the year, he’d have gotten $2 million from old team and $2 million from new.
You can’t trade someone on LTIR though
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, I understand no LTIR trades. I am going super hypothetical here but … say Pronger is cleared to play by docs but he is doesn’t come back based on the fear of another concussion. Since he is medically cleared, could he be traded at that point?
I only ask out of curiosity, not out of this being a reality.
by We are Legion on Jan 26, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
In principel, he could be traded the moment he comes of LTIR and the other team is okay with him potentially not playing.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 26, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know. He could be traded since he’s no longer hurt, but if he “doesn’t come back”, has he retired? You can’t trade a retired player. Maybe he’s simply refusing to play and thus is breaking his contract. You could suspend him and trade him, or just break the contract.
But he has a NMC, so he’d have to agree to any trade anyway.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, you can.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
Pronger’s ROI is going to be absolute poop
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
That’s why I pray for an opt-out clause in the new CBA.
-bob
by Rrainone on Jan 26, 2012 8:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and that’s why I hope for a pooper scooper for Christmas
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
we could also save our opt-out clause might for Bryz.
by We are Legion on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
They called them compliance buyouts in this agreement; but we should remember that any amnesty or cap-free buyout clause is most likely to happen due to a drop in the cap, and then there will be more issues there than just getting rid of Pronger or Bryz.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 26, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
You think the NHLPA would allow a drop in the cap?
by Anders Jensen on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
They might have to, or at least allow a drop in the floor and something to stop the cap from rising so quickly. The cap has risen 65% since the start of this CBA, and the floor has risen by 110%. The salary floor doubling in only 6 years is a major flaw in the calculation.
Under the current cap calculation system, it’s my opinion that we’re probably not far from teams starting to default on salaries. A number of teams aren’t eligible for revenue sharing (technically called the Player Cost Redistribution System, which helps teams meet the minimum payroll commitments) under the current agreement; the Ducks, Kings, Islanders, Devils, and Stars being good examples. If those teams have trouble issuing paychecks, too bad, since they exist in a market with more than 2.5 million households. They can only receive help at the end of the year from the escrow account, which leaves them somewhat on their own to pay player salaries. There’s a lot going on there that makes it too complicated to truly explain every aspect of revenue here, but suffice it to say there are many imperfections in the system.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I think the new CBA will have the cap and floor be a percentage apart rather than a strict dollar amount.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
well is that the risk you run of having a nhl team in city that doesnt have a large fan base for it? the ducks and kings really dont have an excuse except bad managment for low attendence seeing as the kings have been around for ever and the ducks had 3 movies and a cartoon made after them…the islanders and devs as well… as for tampa florida pheonix..they never had business being teams any way but they seem to manage. i mean lowering the cap kinda puts the contraints soley on the most succesful teams
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
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how many flyers movies..or other nhl team movies….gotta capitalize on good publicity
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Small correction. The first Mighty Ducks movie came before the team. The team was named after the movie. Life imitates art.
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/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did not know. Very cool. Just folded two years ago.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Recalculating the markets may help some teams. The Nielsen markets are hideously obsolete, and don’t reflect real populations in a lot of areas. I can go into it a bit more after work, when I have better access to data.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 26, 2012 1:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Following up...
To go into it a bit more now that I’m home, the problem is how Nielsen calculates its DMAs (Designated Market Areas). People watching the Lightning in, say, Orlando, do not count for local ratings, because Orlando is a different DMA than Tampa. So, rather than the 3.3 million people that actually live in the I-4 Corridor (more than Philadelphia’s DMA), only the 1.7 million in Tampa-St Pete are counted. Over on the Orlando Magic SBN blog, a poster put up a few pictures:
Here is the Great Lakes region of Illinois. Chicago’s marked, and you can see it’s basically Chicago in white, and a few small towns widely scattered.
Here’s Texas:
Again, big cities with very little in between.
How about Florida?
Yes, there are areas of absolute black, but look at the coasts and the curve from Tampa to Orlando to Daytona. They’re almost solid white, yet I doubt anyone on this board outside of Florida has heard of Sebastian or Mims or Titusville or Auburndale or Bithlo or the other hundreds of towns that all blend into each other. Nielsen sees these as discrete populations, rather than a contiguous whole. It’s probably most extreme in Florida, but the same issues exist through the whole system – DMAs were created based on the range of broadcast television, and are obsolete in the cable era. Basing portions of the Bylaws on them is likewise a flawed decision.
Bob.
by The Dark on Jan 26, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Orlando and Tampa are 85 miles apart. That’s only slightly closer than Philadelphia and New York, or Philadelphia – Baltimore, or Anaheim – San Diego, or Chicago – Milwaukee.
Every way of measuring regions is based on arbitrary boundaries. But Nielsen, while flawed in many, MANY ways, is not misrepresenting the size or importance of markets. The very list you linked to shows that they adjust it every year, and also that none of the “Sebastian or Mims or…[etc]” are their own DMA, they are part of the larger markets.
And do you seriously think Florida has a monopoly on “hundreds of towns that all blend into each other”?
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
The problem is if they calculated things according to your system, nearly every team would reach over 2.5 million households and no one would be eligible for revenue sharing. Those markets are deemed ineligible because they’re more populous than the others, so making all the others bigger doesn’t exactly fix the problem.
The NHL is also the most dependent of the ‘big 4’ sports leagues on gate receipts as their main source of revenue, so it’s possible that they aren’t using the DMA just to talk about how many households are watching on TV. I think it’s also a factor that the people who live within the DMA are the most likely to buy tickets to attend games because they’re close enough to do so on a regular basis. There may be a few people from Orlando that are full season tickets holders and make the 85 mile drive each way to the SPTF several times a week, but they’d be few and far between.
I agree that an antiquated system of Nielsen ratings may not be the best way of defining anything important in the CBA language, but the people watching the Lightning in Orlando are less likely to generate as many revenue dollars as the ones who are near Tampa.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 26, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yea there is stupif flaws, but I cant see a way the players would allow a new CBA where they lose money in the end. Also alot of teams including the Flyers would be in trouble outside of just 1 single contract, if the cap is lowered.
by Anders Jensen on Jan 26, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
The players’ record of what they will “allow” hasn’t been so great so the real story is going to be whether they have more pushback now (with Fehr at the front) and if so how the owners respond.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious sports fans, what’s the uproar with the Khabbi for Weber trade?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:06 AM EST reply actions
It’s ludicrous, but only 3 people saw it in the two day review period.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Oh no, I saw it, just didn’t know what to think of it. I was offered Weber for Halak on many occasions and I turned it down
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
But Weber for Elliott…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
You know as well as I do that that goalie relationship in St. Louis is tenuous. Hitchcock could switch right back to Elliott and I would’ve played the wrong horse. That’s why i’ve been recently thinking about combo’ing Elliott and Halak for a guy like Rinne, which would free up a roster spot.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Talk to Shaun.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
And I will. But the downside to that is is there anyone on the FA market that would be worth that extra roster spot
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Yes. Maybe not a goalie, but yes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
well there goes any leverage I had in making that deal lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Shaun asked me for a bit much for Rinne haha. As much as I love Rinne, there was no way I could do it.
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haha, he was keeping me in the loop the whole time. He said one of those included was “Kahri”. I thought he meant “Kadri”, so I was like, of course Don would accept that. Turns out he meant “Kari”, which makes more sense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah haha, I figured he was talking to you. I broke down how many more wins Rinne would project to get me over the year, which is why I would want him (plus I heart Nashville and all things Nashville). I basically use projections in trades and take in to consideration if someone is playing above or below expected; so I figured he’d include you in the loop. I think the proposed was Z and Rinne for Parise, Neal, and Lehtonen. I was okay passing on that one. There’s a benefit in this league for having goalies on poor possession teams, so I don’t feel the need to get rid of either Lehtonen or Ward. I may propose swapping Z for Parise though, I just have to figure out if I want two players in my starting lineup on the same team or not.
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I have so many Sharks, it’s why I trade Shaun Marleau every year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
We can go back to the original Lehtonen/Stewart/Parise for Zetterberg/Rinne if you want?
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
That’s far more tempting. I’m going to go look at what’s available for a replacement at RW. I know as soon as I trade Stewart, the bounces will finally go his way haha. Unless you have to waive a player, who is a RW to make that trade, in which case it might work itself out. Either way let me go look. Obviously go do your due diligence with CCB; if I miss my window, I miss my window.
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is there criticisms towards Derek for pulling the trigger on that? Khabi is a starter, Weber is one of the best d-men around. I looked at the criticisms of the trade, and only really one person has room to talk: Shaun. He only has a starter and a back-up, while those complaining about the trade have AT LEAST 2 starters and a backup, while some teams have 3 starters.
Currently 6/8 teams making the playoffs have at least 2 starters in net. The only 2 teams that lack 2 starters are Muncie and Usual Suspects (the latter traded his 2nd starter in the Weber deal). Muncie has 2 backups and a starter. So, to at least have a glimmer of hope of making the playoffs, you need a starter and a combination of backups. He has a slim chance of making the playoffs to begin with, so he tried to at least acquire the bare minimum for a slim chance of making the playoffs
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I guess Nabokov is a “starter”…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I’m sorry bud, but as someone who is very active and looking at the chance that I won’t be invited back next year because I’ll be outside of the 10 spot, I’m doing what I can to at least achieve 10th place.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
No problems, I just haven’t thought of Nabokov as a starter yet this season. I always thought I was in the “1 starter, 2 backups” boat.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
He’s won 5/7 of his last starts and has made NYI competitive. To me, he’s a starter
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, especially when you consider DiPietro and Montoya are hurt. Just never thought of it until now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve invested a lot of my time in a team that probably won’t make the playoffs. But I’m having fun while doing it, so it is what it is
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Good. That’s really the whole point, isn’t it? And besides, even if you don’t make the top-10, you get an automatic invite to Travis’ league next year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
I should get preferential treatment for dealing with Bobby Ryan’s bullshit for half of a year
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I have 1 starter and 2 backups.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
and that whole statement applied to playoff teams. there is currently one team that has that goaltender makeup, and they are in 8th place. I’m suggesting that teams with at least two starters are more likely to make the playoffs than those who do not
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t argue with your final statement.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
and there are 2 other teams within 25 pts of 8th place who do have 2 starting goalies, meaning that in the top 13 teams of this league, 9 of them have at least 2 starting goalies. there is a chance, though improbable, that 1 of the 2 teams with 2 goalies on the outside looking in will capture that last spot, meaning a playoffs with only teams that have 2 starting goalies
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
So basically your fancy numbers don’t like my chances of making the playoffs unless Bob becomes a full time starter or Quick goes on IR for the year.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
bingo. If Bryz goes down so does Juice Boy
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Bo… if you hex Quick on me…. oh if you do…. shakes fist Khaaaaaan will forever be replaced by Boooooooo. (that does not sound like Boo, by the way, it sounds like Bo)
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I voted it down.
I was offered Karlsson for Ward by that guy but turned it down because I would no longer have 2 starters (Derek had the luxury of still having that). It was a pretty simple find for him; find someone with 3 starters and over pay the crap out of it. I mean the chances of him making up the 49 points to move him up to 10th seems slim with his lineup; even with overpaying for 2 goalies so he can at least compete in 4 additional categories (with one starter, one back up, and a guy on waivers). There is nothing I like about that going through.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I have no question why people voted it down (it makes an already strong team that much better). However, in terms of total assets, he had an asset that was expendable, and to someone else it was high valued. So he made the trade. This trade is unique in that it’s obvious JagrIsAFlyer isn’t conducting a fire sale, but simply trying to jump to 10th place and avoid being dropped by the league. It was in his best interests to make that trade
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I think in his mind he is, but the reality of the situation it isn’t going to happen for who he got and who he has. I guess it’s desperation for one and the reward for having that many goalies drafted on your team for the other. I don’t think it’s disingenuous, but I think it’s a bit delusional. He is screwing half the league by making a desperation move for him that most likely won’t work, hence my issue. If I thought it helped him enough to make the push for 10th, I wouldn’t have voted it down.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
then he should just quit? no?
I’m not trying to be a dick, but saying individual a has no shot in making the playoffs then preventing him from making trades that he believes might give him a chance at the playoffs is a bit disingenious
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
That’s when bad trades that shouldn’t happen, happen though. And when I see things like this In this league
I can’t find a goalie for anything. So I over paid. If I can win saves once this year, I’m happy with it!It makes me not like it even more. You can make better trades. I’m being realistic about his team and what was added and subtracted, it seems he didn’t really gain anything besides the consolation prize of not having to know he will lose every goaltending category outside of GA for the rest of the year.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
All I care about is it gives us something to bitch about over All-Star Break.
On the plus side I read it wrong and thought Geoff picked up Weber… on the other plus side I was also one of the ones paying enough attention to vote it down.
Lets just be real. Goalies are this years Faceoff Win %
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Oh yeah completely agreed about goalies, but they’re always important in a 20 TEAM LEAGUE! Anywho, it happened, and I understand why it happened, but that doesn’t mean I have to like or agree with it.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
That’s fair. I won’t criticize individuals for vetoing trades that they deem unfair, as long as they have strong reason as to why they deem it unfair. I had exchanged offers with the guy on numerous occasions, and I might’ve had a hand in jacking up the price of goalies by rejecting trade offer after trade offer. The deal’s in the books, and to be honest I don’t think it makes the Usual Suspects the clear favorite.
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I rejected two trades with him. I should have told him that I’m not going to trade a starter away when I only have 2 to begin with if I’m not getting one in return…but I thought that it would be obvious. He got what he’s been looking for since the beginning of the season and Derek was reward for having a deep goalie bench, oh well.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I also vetoed his other trade to support Shaun haha. This is literally the first time I’ve ever vetoed a trade in a league as it was the first one I’ve ever found to be egregious.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I should’ve vetoed Shaun’s trade because he magically resurrected Katchis from the dead to make a trade with him lol
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
In the words of Rodney Ruxin
“Collusion!”
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like the prom girl no one wants to dance with… :( No one wants to tradw with me, or my team…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
and what team are ye these days?
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Still the Burlington Bullies. That Geoff just won’t lose enough to catch up though.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I’ve always been hesitant about running my fantasy league and having another team elsewhere, but I think I’m gonna have to jump in on a BSH league next season…
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I don’t have the time to come here and watch the games let alone get into a fantasy league.
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Fantasy is really simple though. I check my team on Sunday and set my lineup for the rest of the week. I do it just like football, so it’s not very time consuming.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling I may not be the best evaluator of talent. INtangibles don’t count for much in fantasy hockey. :)
But maybe next year I should give it a whirl.
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Yeah, but advanced stats count for as much as intangibles in fantasy hockey.
I thought you’d love fantasy sports – goalies’ value comes from wins and saves; players’ value comes from goals and points and hits and blocks – because it’s the boxcar numbers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
They should consider +/- as well. That is a pretty useful stat. I really might try this for no other reason to be able to talk some smack.
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+/- is included!
See, it’s perfect for you!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
It’s think hockey stats for dummies! No fighting points though, huh.
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PIMs is a category, so kind of.
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More PIMs the better!
Seriously, is there anything about fantasy hockey scoring M won’t like?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
And I thought adding “scoring” was going to eliminate this retort.
Live and learn.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was dead set on making that lame joke from the get go; you know I’m stubborn.
Also, I haven’t been on this site nearly enough and M has been taking a lot of runs in my absence; my presence has clearly been missed.
/enforcer’d
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by DLJr on Jan 26, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as the guy who leagues the league in PIMS, i can tell you it’s not as amazing as it looks. in fact it’s downright awful, but now I know
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Part of me wants to go through every team and find out your wrong. Another part of me is too busy.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I’m in 10th in PIMs, FWIW
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
It’s funny but as a proponnent of advanced metrics I only use them in drafting players (baseball). Once the season gets underway I use them sparringly and I’ve never placed anything less than 3rd. I haven’t won it all yet but that’s still pretty good.
/Eagles’d
Yeah, the only non-traditional metrics I use past the draft are shooting% and PDO.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
BABIP and LD rate (line drive)
So how much control do you guys have in choosing catagories? CBS sportsline has FIP, SLG, OBP and a few other advanced metric catagories which is nice. Playing without Pitcher W/L is much more fun.
The options are limited, to be honest. Travis and I talked for maybe 20 minutes just saying “yes, yes, yes, no, how about this instead, yes, yes, no, no, no, no, no” etc.
We’ll think about changing it up again next year, probably remove Saves and go with Sv%. It’s tough to find a balance between needing 2 starters when you can only average 1.5 per team and being better off with 1 while needing to play 2.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
No one seems to want to trade with me either, so don’t feel too left out.
I do need a goalie, but they’re in high demand.
Prepare your sleep apparatus.
On the twitterverse
I need to shore up D and get some more points. Zetterberg is on the table.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahaha. The power of Facebook.
She shot down my offer for Timmy T pretty quickly though so it wasn’t like she was selling everything.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
it’s all good
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I need to blow up my team but I’m doing it in fair ways. I think the trades I’ve offered have been fair or have been labeled as starting points to open a dialogue. The one that wasn’t fair was a miscommunication between Geoff and I (referenced above) that led to me asking too much for Rinne/Z.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
i would like to see if you’re interested in a Halak and Elliott for a Rinne deal as a skeleton, then we’ll work from there
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Listening….
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
You found my weakness….Blues.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
what forwards are you looking at trading?
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Zetterberg, Skinner?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 26, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
tell me what youre looking for from my team. just sent an offer over to you
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
WHEN YOU"RE TALKING ABOUT FANTASY HOCKEY ...
… Please make that clear to those of us who are not involved. I thought Nashville had lost their freaking minds for a few panicked minutes of searching nhl.com.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Jan 26, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
And seeing as I am the guy who failed that test in 11th grade that said you didn’t have to take the test at all when you got to the last question. I have been doing the same shit for the last 20 minutes. DOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If I ran a fantasy league none of this blog banter would be permitted. It smacks of collusion.
/more paranoid than Stalin when I gets the power.
Don’t tell me how to run my league!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Although it could be diabolocal genius at work which I like. Just let people prattle on and reap the benefits of revealing their strategies
To be fair… Geoff is winning… the only reason I am even close is i haven’t gone head to head with him or Don yet, and Usual Suspects had a really crappy first week.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
haha, I don’t think so.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
And yes Shaun, if you’re not getting a goalie in return, Renne is at least worth Malkin + another stud, because you are ensuring that you won’t compete in the goalie categories, which means an automatic loss in every one of them. Therefore, you’d have to win every offensive category.
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions
Matt Read
The article on him is a nice read. It has that feel good story to it. I’m glad he is succeding, it’s always nice to see someone defying the odds.
-bob
by Rrainone on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chris Pronger
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
…there is one.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Chem, really???
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But there is one!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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The source man, the source. Luv ya soph! :-)
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And thank god you remembered the “L”
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tites?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
And you know exactly where I was going.
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Did you mean “tights”?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
I know Niitty has been hurt and hasn’t played, but I would’ve though the Sharks would have at least told him he was being placed on waivers. That’s kinda harsh if they really didn’t.
Warning: Arguing the NHL CBA with me could be hazardous to your mental health. Proceed at your own risk.
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 26, 2012 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Saw it on PD
Pretty funny stuff.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Jan 26, 2012 10:50 AM EST reply actions
Looks like I missed an interesting evening chat on yesterday’s Fly By.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
You silly Californian, you.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 26, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I live in California. I’m not a Californian. Big difference.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Lived in Philadelphia from when I was 4 until I was 18. Moved to CA a year ago. Sorry if this is ruining the “make up a background story for Eric T” game.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
That’s just your cover story.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 26, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
OK, I'll start
Eric T is really the leader of a notorious California street gang known as the “El Numeros”. Their signature weapon is a pillow case filled with the house numbers stolen from residences around the ‘hood (not all numbers, just the 2’s, 5’s and 7’s, the ones that are pointy and have potentially sharp edges). These sacks are utilized to beat down rival street thugs in order to get them to “see the errors of their ways”………….
aaaaannnddd go!….
//preemptive apology to anyone offended
I had Eric as a government think tank guy, stowed away in some underground bunker. Chalkboards all around him, 4 computers and cases of Red Bull in the corner.
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The government does NOT pay enough for that sort of expertise and competence. (I should know.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 26, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I worked in a government lab for a couple of years. Military, no less.
The plot thickens…
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Being a test-tube baby devised by the CIA does not count as ‘worked,’ Eric.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Jan 26, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
You silly non-Californian living in California, you.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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by Chemistry66 on Jan 26, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Typical. California typical.
Which one is Eric?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
“Hey bud let’s party! That was my skull. I’m so wasted.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
I coach a local track team, and yesterday I got to tell my team to ‘start running with some jam in here’. God damn that felt good.
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Jan 26, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions
The realignment
Anybody else think it would have been easier to make the new plan work with 28 teams instead of 30? I know its crazy talk to think about shuttering teams, but that may be for the best. If you get rid of two teams, all the conferences become equal, and I think the travel argument isn’t as bad then.
2011 New York Giants- Worst NFC Champs Ever
BOB
You have a better shot of screwing the NHLPA out of revenues then deleting two teams.
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OT but from yesterday
I thought about stealing Bob’s dance moves a few times last night but didn’t. Also, there may or may not be video of my epic dancing!
www.southpawcurve.blogspot.com - check out my baseball blog!!
Also, there may or may not be video of my epic dancing!
Now that’s just cruel to tell us something like that and not share… :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I’ll be doing the Save-ty Dance at all possible chances in the near future.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
I can’t believe someone came up with a 100 good things about the Penguins.
I figured it was Mario, Sidney, 3 Cups and a whole lot of suckiness.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
#FireRoseman
@boknows71
I would love to read the book for no other reason then to laugh and dispute each item. What could be on that list after Mario and Sidney? The beautiful confines of the igloo? The three bankruptcies and impending relocations? The seventies and eighties?
Actual we should come up with our own 100 facts you should know About the Pens as a Flyers fan.
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Warren Young, the one-hit wonder Mario Built
The ’75 loss to the Islanders when they were up 3-0
The ‘93 Dynasty Killer overtime loss to the Islanders. Scott Bowman’s standing behind the bench looking like “Which way to Detroit?”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Would my answering be considered cheating? :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 26, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Read the Pittsburgh Penguins wikipedia article. Last I checked it was hilarious and forgot to mention Jagr in the franchise history.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 26, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Penguins#Franchise_history there you go
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 26, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
OT
I am so excited. Bringing back “1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Sixers”! Adam Aron finally acquired the rights! Awesome.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
What is this sixers you speak of?
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....
/TerraNova’d
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
such a bad show…
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 26, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
9 wins and 73 losses bad.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
If the dinosaurs had eaten the kids early on the show would have been a lot better.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Well I always say
kill the children.
Plus they need more myra or whoever leads the sixers. She’s hot.
i’m always pleased when i guess the song. though this one wasn’t too tough.
If you want more Terra Nova you should root against Alcatraz and Touch. TN is pretty expensive and the numbers weren’t great so if the other two perform decently this spring TN will probably not be renewed.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Are those any good. Mind you I lower my standard for TV, I mean I don’t expect as much and just “suspend the belief” more than I would for a film. It’s gotta be hard to keep storylines going for 22 hours.
My husband likes “Alcatraz.” It’s OK, but then again, I was never a big fan of “Lost,” FWIW.
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Touch had its premiere last night, but it’s not actually running until March. It’s from the guy who did “Heroes” which was amazing, at least at the beginning. Kiefer Sutherland plays the lead but it’s about a kid who I believe is mute, autistic and a precog.
I watched the first episode of Alcatraz. It’s a silly plot contrivance. Alcatraz inmates disappeared when it was shut down in 1963 and are reappearing now at the same age, so maybe some kind of time rip during the prison transfer? Catching each of them as they repeat their crimes is what feeds the weekly script beast while digging into how it all happened is the connecting thread. It could actually be cool but it depends on whether they get weird with it or it’s just another cop/detective show with a twist. First show suggests it’s the latter. Sam Neill is the star but Jorge Garcia as the history nerd is the most entertaining character.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
says the history nerd
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
ya know that’s not the worst idea ever considering the demands of TV. The hardest part of TV I’d think is the show concept.
yeah, silly doesn’t necessarily mean bad. anything you can hang 22 episodes on works if the other elements are there.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
There's a difference between basketball and Terra Nova
One is a painfully unwatchable mess with frustratingly repetitive action, hackneyed storylines, unlikable characters, and terrible acting.
The other has cgi dinosaurs.
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by Pelti on Jan 26, 2012 5:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
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by bleedorangewhiteblack on Jan 26, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions
OT
I know Joe Pa meant alot to some people and the recent scandal has been terrible but honestly what’s with the 4 day Inquirier Joe Pa-athon. It’s straight up mourn porn.
Could not agree more. He’s been elevated to role of diety. It makes me uncomfortable.
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Well they did add a halo above his head on the mural in State College…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Just a biiiiiiit much, dontchathink?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
they really did
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
People get weird when people they “love” and have never met die. Some of the Pelle Lindbergh mourning was very strange. All kinds of shit comes out.
And then there’s child abuse, which is also very hard to deal with and how to hand out responsibility to third parties.
And then there’s the press, which seems to get more tawdry with each story.
Put all that together and yowza.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
You ain’t kidding. I remember one of my friends absolutely losing her shit when Princess Diana died. She was depressed for a week. I thought that odd, too.
I shed a tear for Kalas’ funeral, I admit, but seeing all those Phillies lined up and the song was what did me in. Go for your fricken emotional nads, don’t they?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Princess Di, I forgot about that. That might have been the craziest. I’d just moved back from Paris where I had made friends with a bunch of Brits. From their e-mails you would have thought a meteorite had hit London.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
it was worth it. :-)
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 26, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well put! The deity illusion is what makes the scandal harder to swallow.
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The guy was a football coach. That’s all. A coach of a college football team. Maybe a nice guy, maybe identified with the school football program, but that’s it. Ex-presidents die and get less fanfare; it’s ridiculous.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 26, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
and now the governer weighing in on tim thomas…good god
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governor*
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
so since the thread has gone quiet just for shits a giggles
with jeff carter on the trade block, if holmgren could pull off a steal..i mean deal something like, briere and 2nd for carter…would you do it? or is carter contract 2 much for us to deal with since we have bryz…….maybe bryz and a 2nd for carter…..then tell carter this was his punishment and no more shananigans. or we’ll ship him to winnapeg
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
If he progresses in symptoms to random capitalization, we’ll know we lost him.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 26, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think you guys .. are thinking .. of the wrong .. legendary troll.
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Some clues
Ugh, JIBTA.
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okay I think I know who it is. can’t recall his name but his avatar was Hillary Clinton getting hitt with a boxing glove or something.
Or you can just read my post above yours haha
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Yeah that works. Le derp
or click the links. weird when the links are in the block text I don’t see them as links. derp.
Hey Chem, have you noticed alot of weird SB Nation formating stuff going on lately. Not that there’s anything new about ghosts in the machine stuff with SB Nation but it seems more poronounced lately. For example, I tried to right click on the links Eric provided to open them in another window but that “open in a new window” option was greyed out. It still opened in a new window as I’m sure Eric made sure it would when he linked the text, I’ve made a habit of right clicking just in case, as I’ve had links that were supposed to open in a new window and didn’t. I just did the same thing on a link I recently did and the option wasn’t greyed out. The only difference is that Eric’s links are block quoted and mine isn’t. That’s one of several quirks I’ve noticed. Seems like it was much more reliable in the past than it has been of late.
No, I have all the options available still…
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Chrome.
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Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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Hey, he actually got one of those right! But even blind squirrels come across acorns every once in awhile.
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I mean, have you seen Eklund?
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Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
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Who said this shit? I have to know.
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JIBTA, an SBN legend whose ability to get things drastically wrong is exceeded only by his ability to declare everyone else to be an idiot.
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Can we call him Senator John Yerkes Iselin
I am United States Senator John Yerkes Iselin, and I have here a list of two hundred seven persons who are known by the Secretary of Defense as being members of the Communist Party!
You’re quite correct – I did forget that yahoo. Nowhere near as memorable as FR or ‘He Who Shall Not Be Wrong’. But now that you mention it, all the bad memories – the one-sided arguments, the complete and utter nonsense, the basic aversion to grammar and usage – keep coming back … thanks a pantload.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 27, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, please note the correct and infrequent use of the ellipsis.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Jan 27, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
im a troll now? when did this happen?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
sorry i use it to show a fork in the road of my thoughts
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
# Explaining score effects in easy to understand graphs and small paragraphs: [Driving Play]
I can’t tell whether you are surprised or being sarcastic, but it seems like one of those. :P
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Neither, actually. But I feel that a lot of people would skip it unless I told them it’s easy to understand. And after Wednesday’s discussion about attention span, I added “small paragraphs”.
It’s the whole “reach those you wouldn’t normally reach” attitude.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 27, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
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