Video: Dan Carcillo is dumb, won't be playing Thursday vs. Flyers
by Travis Hughes on Jan 3, 2012 11:22 AM EST
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PrintThere was a time when I thought Dan Carcillo was becoming a smart hockey player. It was after that whole "hey, let me sucker punch you, Matt Bradley" thing back in 2009 during Peter Laviolette's first game as head coach, and as that season progressed, Carcillo seemed to work on his discipline. I was impressed with the strides he made.
Oh, how naive I was. Behold, his latest idiot move from last night's Blackhawks vs. Oilers game.
Carcillo's yet to be suspended for the hit, but that's only a matter of time. The Flyers host the Blackhawks on Thursday night, and he'll probably be serving the first game of a very long suspension that evening.
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two minutes for holding
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
He looks like he’s annoyed.
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i don’t know how to make it smaller.
[snicker]
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A kangaroo on his hat, a dog in his hands, a duck in the background…
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it’s a witch
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
But how do you know it’s a witch?
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She turned Carcillo into a newt.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, I see you’ve played “duck, duck, goose” before.
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Wow he’s stupid.
On first glance, it looks like he almost shoves the Oiler into the boards, then realizes he’s going to crash and tries (in a futile attempt) to stop, crashes into the Oiler, then falls himself.
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After watching that a couple times it is also apparent that Carcillo is dirt bag. He actually had the line to the puck and was winning the foot race, but he slowed down to try and cripple the guy like a punk. So glad he is gone from Philly, never liked the guy and never respected him much either.
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by MJDII on Jan 3, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Man, I thought I was +1 ing this and it shows as flagged now. It was inadvertent.
In regards to the comment, ditto. Odd to see him appear to actually be hurt when rolling around on the ice.
I'm not a playa, I just fall a lot.
No, you didn’t flag it. It’s rec’d. It just seems like it’s flagged because the rec numbers show up right next to the “FLAG” button. You’d know if you flagged it because an additional window would pop up to ask you the reason why you were flagging it.
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Ah crap…was looking forward to seeing him in our building Thursday night. Now I guess it’s just the return of Odie.
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by Flyers_Section_121 on Jan 3, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions
cillo stache is going to be so disappointed. Doesn’t she have tickets for this game?
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I was a Dan Carcillo apologist in an earlier life. This is sad
stay still. shut up. pay attention. adopt as signature moves.
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Hey Dan, will you be playing anytime soon?
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idk looked like an interference at best
he hit him from the side at least 10 feet from the boards
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But he hit him into the boards, and rather violently, so I’d call it boarding.
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Yeah, it’s not a hit from behind, but it’s boarding, and clearly so; proximity to the boards is irrelevant the way the rule is written, contact with the boards is what matters:
41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently in the boards. The severity of the penalty, based upon the impact with the boards, shall be at the discretion of the Referee.
There is an enormous amount of judgment involved in the application of this rule by the Referees. The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless position and if so, he must avoid or minimize the contact. However, in determining wheter such contact could have been avoided, the circumstances of the check, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the check or whether the check was unavoidable can be considered. This balance must be considered by the Referees when applying this rule.
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well that kinda blows because what constitutes defensless? arent you taught young to be aware? this means that a ref can call absolutely any hard check at the boards a penalty
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I think what I wrote below might address this slightly.
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I am a hockey ref (youth through College) and the way they explain boarding to us and for us to interpret the rules is…
Any use of the Boards in a dangerous or excessive fashion. Typically hits from 3+ feet away from the boards where the player is hit into the boards violently is considered boarding.
The carcillo hit is clearly a boarding penalty by the way the rules are supposed to be interpreted. Violent/excessive/dangerous use of the boards = check, more than 3 feet from the boards = check ===> boarding penalty
The purpose of the boarding penalty is for hits like this where it is shoulder to shoulder (or other legal hit) where the player is thrown uncontrollably into the boards.
by TreKronor488 on Jan 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
No where am I saying it isn’t a boarding penalty, in fact, I said it was a boarding penalty, and clearly so.
FWIW, they use a different set of rules in the NHL from USA Hockey rules (used in youth hockey), which I’m sure you know. Not all are different, but some are. I know tripping is one of them, when any player deliberately leaves their feet, that drives me up a wall.
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Yeah
I wasn’t saying you weren’t saying that it wasn’t a penalty. I was just letting you guys know how the refs are taught.
And I hate how the rules are different for every age group, Juniors have their own rules, College own rules, highschool own rules, youth a whole new set of rules. 95% of the rules are the same but the wording in some is slightly different which changes the rule. I.e. in HS if you leave your feet and get the puck first and then take the guys legs out it’s legal but in USA Hockey no matter what it’s a trip and then juniors has their own version of the rule.
As far as NHL vs. USAHockey for boarding I believe the rule is in essence the same but the NHL is still more relaxed in order to maintain some of the huge hits, whereas in USA the emphasis is more on the kid’s safety than big hits
by TreKronor488 on Jan 3, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I can only speak to USA Hockey rules because that’s the only experience I have from a reffing perspective. It always boggled my mind. But yeah, from what I can remember, the essence of boarding is the same with only slight differences in wording.
I just threw it out there because I’m not sure if people realize there are different rules at different levels. I assume most people are aware of NHL versus IIHF, but I’m not sure how aware they are of the differences in rules as you progress through the levels within North America. As a player going through the changes I can tell you I only learned of the differences when a new call or non-call would come up, I would complain to the ref, then I would have it explained to me during or after the game. Just one of those odd things.
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so say there is a hit about 10 feet from the boards ( say a rinaldo esque humangous big hit) even if the player had the puck, what if that hit send them into the boards..why is that a penalty?
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I’d say it depends on more than that. How was the hit delivered? Was it a cross-check? Was it a head shot? Was it from behind? Was it charging?
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the hit rinaldo laid on doherty except closer to the boards where it was all shoulder to shoulder but propelled doherty into the boards violently, like say on a breakout gone wrong (in dohertys case)
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41.1 Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or goalkeeper who checks or pushes a defenseless opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to hit or impact the boards violently in the boards.
Seems pretty clear. If you check or push a guy, causing him to hit the boards violently, it’s a penalty.
It’s up to the ref to decide what constitutes “violently”, but it doesn’t matter if the hit’s at center ice — if you launch the guy 52 feet through the air and he hits the boards violently, they can call a penalty.
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but i also think that takes big hit at the wall out of teh game which in my opinion just neuters this sport more and more, im not saying no boarding but there needs to be a clearly defined rule not a humangously big ambiguous one
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the other player is defenseless when Carcillo did not pursue the puck. This is what makes Carcillo a punk because he never tried to play the puck even though he had a clear path and was winning the foot race. The defenseman was pursuing the puck not engaging in the contact.
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by MJDII on Jan 3, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
idk he hit him from the side not the back it looks like he saw carcillo coming, idk maybe im just an oldstyle fan who doesnt think its ok that players can just turn them selves toward the boards making it so they cant be hit
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Have you ever been in that situation on the ice? Your directive is to get the puck, especially when you are a defenseman in the defensive zone. No one cares if you are putting yourself in a good position when you get beat to a puck. Carcillo took advantage of the situation. The problem is he is not following his directive of getting to the puck first at all costs, he pulls up notices the vulnerable defenseman and punishes him.
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i understand what your saying but keep your head up and be prepared to be leveled is the way i play. if im running to the boards for a puck, halfway there im looking back to see whos gonna freight train me. the guy turned saw him coming and didnt prepare rough charging interfrence sure i just dont want players to be afraid to hit near the boards cause open icers dont happen very often
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The guy turned saw him coming and didn’t prepare
How do you prepare for that? It’s against the rules to do what Carcillo did, so you want Gilbert to, in that split second, say “I need to prepare for Carcillo to make an illegal play, let me not go after the puck”?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
prepare for the hit yeah, was it for an icing?
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So you want him to prepare for an illegal play.
Why is it on the guy to protect himself from an extralegal action? That’s the whole purpose of having a rule against this hit: So guys don’t have to worry about this.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 4, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
i mean i knwo its proba weak arguement but giroux saw malkins illegal elbow coming and ducked it aka a prepared player
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Just want to point out that the issue here is neither a) where the hit came from; nor b) the player turning toward the boards.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 3, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
not sure if your kidding
that doesnt constitute boarding because all hits besides open ice ones are into the boards, i believe its hitting a player facing the glass and 5 or less feet away, this constitutes neither
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You need to read the rule book.
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honestly thats what i had heard, guess i was given the wrong info
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FWIW I don’t think it’s as “dirty” as everyone is reacting to it. Kind of one of those things. For a race to the puck on the boards when I’m close to even with a player I typically initiate contact to avoid a more dangerous collision at the boards, which I think is what happens here; the result however, is quite unfortunate and will result in suspension. In theory I don’t have a problem with what I suspect is Carcillo’s thought process here, “initiate body contact, avoid getting crushed on the boards or held up, allow to win puck cleanly, continue play.”
I’m sure others disagree.
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Though I don’t like the way he uses his arms; that’s the main issues I have.
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But the other guy never even sets his body to initiate contact. And the arms point is good because Carcillo literally doesn’t check him he grabs lifts and throws.
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Yeah, even without the other person bracing for contact, I typically will lower my shoulder and bump or brace in order to give myself room to make a better play on the puck because I assume contact will be coming in those situations. I want to assume that’s the thought process here, but him extending his arms makes me question it; or it’s at least the point where I go from not having an issue with it from a dirty versus clean perspective to viewing it as dirty. In general though, I don’t mind contact in those situations (just my personal opinion, heck I still expect contact in those situations now and everything is no check at my age), but the arms definitely make it suspension worthy and bring it in to the realm of a dirty play.
So I agree it’s dirty, but I’m less appalled by it than you haha.
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It’s appalling to me because boobs like Carcillo do this consistently and without regard.. Trust me you would be appalled if he did this to Carle and we lost him for the season.
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You know me better than that; you know I don’t hold players to different standards based on opponent or team they represent.
I think it’s dirty at the point where he extends his arms, I don’t view it as dirty to initiate contact in that situation. That’s just the way I feel regardless if this was Grioux doing this to Corey Perry, or if this was Corey Perry doing this to Timonen (in case you can’t tell, I don’t like Corey Perry, at all).
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Really you solve this whole situation by going into the boards and planting the blade of your stick into the boards and letting the butt end extend back under your arm into the guys mid-section.
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I know most hits are into the boards. It’s the force with which he was sent into the boards that I think triggers a boarding penalty here. It’s definitely one of the grayer rules, IMO, lots of room for interpretation.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 PM EST reply actions
I find it quite unfortunate that Carcillo and other like-minded individuals will continue to behave this way, even after fines and suspensions, and even when it can result in something like this (which was deemed accidental, but still):
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/High-school-hockey-player-paralyzed-after-hit-in?urn=highschool-wp10640
Though I thoroughly detest the guy, I would never want to see this happen to Matt Cooke. Nor anyone else. Imagine taking your child to a game where this occurs right in front of you.
I read a couple articles about this already, it’s heart breaking. Even though when you play you know bad things can happen but it never makes anyone feel any better when they do.
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Balls.
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I think it was his knee???
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Viral testicular concussion, metastasizing to the patella
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 3, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Creeper. :-p
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You and Cillo should just go and get drunk. :-)
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Haha… Yes, we’ll have an underage drinking party. Maybe we can meet up at the game and get someone to buy us a few beers.
And that would not be normal how?
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Delinquents. Enjoy it while you can.
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That could actually work. Minus the fact I’m going with my dad
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Haha, yeah. I doubt my mom and step-dad would allow it either. We can lie and say we’re going to the bathroom.
Plus the fact I don’t drink (except for when my gramma tries to give me whine, but thats a whole different story).
We could always find a way into the press box where Dan is watching the game from his seat of shame….that could be very very fun
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Since Travis never covers games live any more, I’m sure he can leave one of you his press pass, no questions asked.
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gettin frisky. If we wear heels and dresses/skirts (of the tighter variety) we could look all official, no one would know
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This went I way I don’t approve of…this is more Hintzy and M territory.
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…I meant to get into the press box. With a pass and the attire to match, it would be easier to get in
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suuuuuure
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Yeah, I was more so referring to your partner in crime, I just happen to come back to the thread after your responded to her.
I’m sure you are both well behaved, innocent, and respectable young women; it’s how I picture all young girls for the sake of my future sanity if my future child should be a girl.
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haha no worries, I’m happy to have been given a chance to give hintzy and M a hard time.
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Hey don’t put me in with The Dark and IJewJitsu territory.
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The Dark always flies under my radar for some reason. maybe because he mostly does it in game threads?
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What about Pardini?
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Soooooooooooo
You going to be on the ice the next 7 Blackhawks games, Dan?
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