Wanted: 'Flyers fans' who beat up Rangers fans at Geno's Steaks
by Travis Hughes on Jan 4, 2012 1:29 PM EST
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PrintWe're not exactly fans of calling to attention the awful reputation of the Philadelphia sports fan, mostly because that reputation is, generally speaking, complete bullshit. Every town has their idiots, and we're no different than New York or Boston or Oakland or anywhere else.
We're not nearly as bad as everybody wants to make us out to be, and we try to defend the collective reputation of Philly fans as often as we can. Part of doing that, however, means putting a spotlight over the idiots that have forced that reputation to become a reality, like these dudes who beat up a bunch of Rangers fans at Geno's Steaks.
WARNING: This video is extremely graphic. So graphic, in fact, that it was originally pulled from YouTube because it violates their policy on "shocking and disgusting content."
We'll assume this second version, via Barstool, will likely get pulled at some point as well. (Not surprisingly, they had a uh, different take of things at that other site. Don't wade into the comments. Or click the link, for that matter.)
Just absolutely awful and completely embarrassing.
If you didn't have the stomach to watch, a synopsis: A Flyers fan guy in a Giroux Winter Classic jersey is arguing with a Rangers fan in a Ryan Callahan jersey. The Philly schmuck clearly steps things up, taking off his coat and stepping towards the Ranger fan. He hits him in the face, the Ranger fan fights back, and then some goon in a Jagr jersey steps in and teams up on the guy in the Callahan jersey.
They get him down on the street, everybody is yelling to stop, horns are honking. Another Rangers fan steps in to try and help his friend, but winds up getting jumped by these two idiots too. The guy in the Callahan jersey gets up off the pavement and then, seemingly because these two Flyers fans have tiny balls and feel the need to sucker punch people while in line for cheesesteaks, knocks him to the pavement again with one punch -- from behind.
All in all, it looks like three or four people are throwing punches, and it looks to me like two or three Rangers fans are trying to defend themselves. Several people, including one guy in a blank Flyers Winter Classic jersey, look like they're trying to break things up. The guy in the Jagr jersey and the guy in the Giroux jersey are almost certainly friends, and they should probably not be allowed to procreate. But that's just my opinion.
What's the point of posting this, you ask? Well, there's the hope that maybe somebody was there and can shed some light on the incident, perhaps with the ultimate goal of getting these idiots thrown in jail. Or, perhaps more unlikely, you can recognize a face or a voice or something in the grainy video and come forward.
We say so often that we don't deserve our reputation as awful monsters moonlighting as sports fans, but when this sort of thing happens, it completely undermines everything we say on the subject. It's up to us to police this stuff, then.
H/T: The nine of my Facebook friends who posted this video last night
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Fucking animals! This why people drop their tickets and buy better tv’s and stay home. Totally Shameful!
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It looks like the guy who knocked the Rangers in the Callahan jersey out was the guy in the Giroux jersey.
I don’t know these people, however, if you do, please please please report them to the police as soon as possible. The best way to reverse a reputation is to start policing this bullshit.
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that’s just….wow.
This doesn’t have anything to do with being a Philly fan. There are assholes like this everyone.
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Your right, they are everywhere in the country, but it just resonates too loud around here and we need to start saying, as a city, it’s not acceptable.
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I have to be honest, the reputation outside of Philly is horrendous. I don’t think I’d ever contemplate going to a sporting event in Philly wearing my own team’s colors and that’s sad.
It’s good to hear the majority are fighting against it.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 4, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
In my experience, the chances of getting more than the usual flack for wearing opposing hockey colors is greater in Philly than New York, Boston or Chicago. And it’s one thing to wear it in the stadium during a game. After a loss in a high-profile game on a holiday, which paces itself like a NFL day with tailgating, then out on the street in one of the conquered host city’s shrines, that’s crazy. And for me to say that you’re asking for it doesn’t excuse the behavior.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
I have the exact opposite experience. New York is as bad if not worse. I was almost in a riot on Long Island after going to see a Flyer loss there. I’ve been to plenty of games and always end up siting near opposing fans. Sure they get some heckling, but nothing like this on a regular basis.
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I lived in New York in the mid to late 90s and went to just about every Flyers game at MSG, the swamp and Uniondale wearing my Hextall or Howe jersey and there were times that I worried for my safety, sometimes even when I wasn’t asking for trouble. So I don’t think you’re wrong. I just think Philly is a cut above in this regard.
This can turn into a long thread based on each person’s individual experience and they tend to work their way into the right margin of the column and go on forever. :-)
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve generally had excellent experiences at MSG. Oddly enough I had far more problems in the old Devil’s Arena.
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All 5 of their fans showed up at once?!?
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The Devils have plenty of fans. Oddly enough, they live in JERSEY.
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
BOOM!
The Rangers weren’t playing that night
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Haha. It was a sparse crowd, always was for the most part. But somehow I was always near the Ahole. I used to go with my friends Frat up at college, and I would always support the visitors (sometimes I was lucky enough it was the Flyers). But by support I mean I would clap, not even stand when the opposing team scored the goals. The couple times they played the Flyers I wore a hat, and then ended up wearing a lot of what was sold at the concession stands, for again, sitting and clapping.
I’m very mild mannered in opposing teams’ stadiums to avoid such things. It’s probably why I’ve generally had good experiences at MSG. In general I feel most of the complaints about Aholes at any stadium is probably partially the complainers fault for instigating in some manner.
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Yeah, my Pen friend complained about Phillies fans treatment at CBP, but then again when he was drunk he stood up and start talking about the Steelers and their SB rings and the Pens recent trophy. At a Phillies game.
He’s a douche. I wish they’d kicked his ass, but all they did was call him on his douchery and told him to STFU and sit down.
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Exactly. I’ve had one bad experience at MSG that comes to mind specifically, but it’s because I was being loud an obnoxious beyond the point of just being excited when the Flyers did something worthy of cheering. But that’s how I learned my lesson. You are a guest there, you should acknowledge that and behave accordingly, not shit all over their furniture and break the fine china.
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by DLJr on Jan 4, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is true. I know I’ve told the story before around here about going to Game 7 of the Flyers/Caps series back in 2008 with my dad. We waited until getting back to our car in Greenbelt (~45 minutes later) to celebrate Lupul’s OT winner.
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That was smart, there was a surprisingly large amount of bad blood in that series.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 4, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
exactly. same rule when you visit another blog.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I try to be mild mannered also when I’m at an away game too. The worst was when I was at Yankee Stadium wearing Red Sox stuff and the Yanks won…. I do remember being a little scared for my life at the end of the game, but no one tried to make a move on me.
Even when I go to Flyers games, I just sit there and clap but I don’t stand up.
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Most of my experiences in other stadiums has been good. Sure, I got a lot of ribbing but it was al in good fun. I cheer and react as I normally would. But I’m not loud or obnoxious. It’s like going to someone Else’s house. You don’t rub muddy boots on their couch.
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/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, there were times as a kid that we went to see the Flyers play at the Capital Centre and I wasn’t allowed to wear my jersey. I didn’t understand it at the time.
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I miss that building. Something about being inside the saddle and I usually sat near the top behind one goal or the other. I remember it being really dark because the interior walls were black. It got pretty intense in there at times, a little like a sweat lodge, in those 80s games when they had a very good team
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
The Caps have had some great teams over the years… but they’ve never done anything in the playoffs. They’ve gone to the Finals once and the Conference Finals once. I can’t help but wonder if this is why their fanbase fluctuates.
Back in the 1980s and early 90s, when the Flyers played at the Cap Centre it alsmost sounded like a Flyers home game when the Flyers scored.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Giroux and Jagr right?Gotta love those two…They destroy everything IN the ice and OUTSIDE the ice
Just look at this kind of society.A lot of people there and no one helped the guy or tryed to stop the violence.I’ve notice this a lot about you,Americans but people over here (Europe) are starting to act like that.No one worries about the others,no one gives a shit if someone is stealing or beating up another guy.Just selfish people and,in a way,i understand them you never know when someone is going to pull a gun or a knife (Crazy World) but at least don’t laugh or record the fight that’s just stupid
The Rangers guy shouln’t have responded.Just go away and prevent this type of things of happening.
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It’s called the Genovese Syndrome and is heavily documented. It’s not an American thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 4, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
also for the fact that if you go try to help them, and something happens they can come at you legally
Which happens about as frequently as shark attacks.
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
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That’s not exactly what’s going on in people’s minds, I don’t think.
It’s a crowd reaction. If many people rushed in to help, everyone would.
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by Brandon Worley on Jan 4, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and no. I think many people, including myself, would stop for a second and think about that. As an example, there was a video recently of a guy who had been riding a motorcycle, got into an accident and was pinned under a car. The car was leaking gas, may have been in danger of catching on fire, so a crowd came over, pushed up the car and dragged him out from under. But only about 5-10’ feet away. They can get credit with saving his life, but if anything happened to him ( that could be proven to have happened after the crash) he could in fact go after them legally. Sucks, but that does happen.
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California (and I think other states) has a Good Samaritan law that’s recently been strengthened to shield people from providing good faith and reasonable care assistance, medical and otherwise, at an emergency scene. Doesn’t mean you can’t get sued, though, if a lawyer is willing to look for a weakness or exception to carve out.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, heard about that, hopefully does some good. Had a friend in high school, small guy, who got his ass beat by two guys and one of our common friends was there, but didn’t jump in because he had already turned 18, and was worried he would get screwed. I hate the law sometimes.
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It’s not a syndrome (unless all of you guys have it).I’ve seen many youtube videos.Baseball stadiums,Football stadium,Hockey arenas…You name it
Guys are fighting,a lot of people surroundind them and enjoying the fight while laughing and all of that and no one does nothing.It’s pathetic but that’s just how it works i guess.
Not only in Philly of course
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by Giroux is God on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve seen it, I’ve gotten involved. At a phillies game I tackled a guy wrestling with security and helped the cops cuff him.
Wasnt exactly life or death, but Id have to say time in the service and my training kicks in when I see that sort of stuff.
I’ve also suffered a pretty traumatic injury of my own intervening in something else, and upon the advice of my loved ones, let it go.
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First, I find your name offensive. Ironic, I suppose.
Second… What?
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
My name?If so no,it’s not ironic.Giroux is God end of story
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by Giroux is God on Jan 4, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
It’s Ironic that I find offense to your name, considering how offensive I can be at times.
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Are you offended on behalf of God or Giroux?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I still want Kreider to do a t-shirt with Jesus seeing an image of Giroux in his grilled cheese.
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That’s more comic material…so you’ll never see it.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 4, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
I’m offended on behalf of myself. I’m sure God has better things to do then be offended by random denizens of the internet.
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
At the WC I was threaten by Flyers fans because as a response to them cursing at and making fun of little children (all 8 or under), I told them to keep to show some class and keep their mouths shut. Always nice for beer muscles to step up to taunt children. Ugh.
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My girlfriend is a Devils fan (Yet I love her somehow…). She won’t go to the concession stands without me out of fear.
Works both ways though. I’ve yet to see an opposing team fan taunt Flyers fans in our house. I’ve personally watched that happen at both Devils Arenas, at Panther games, and at Ranger games (By an Islanders fan, lol). It’s the price thats paid to be the most intimidating sports fans in America, and I wouldn’t give that up for several thousand rich pricks sipping Perrier in expanded club sections.
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I see it a lot from opposing fans at the WFC, but only in their seats. The situation is typically quickly diffused as a member of the Event Staff ask them “why do they want to make trouble for themselves and their job harder”.
I never speak off if the taunting is initiated by the visiting fan, but when they are being verbally assaulted for just standing up a cheering for goals then immediately sitting again, I typically open my mouth. Then again, in general, I don’t like most Flyers fans I encounter at games so perhaps that makes me more willing to vocalize the reasons they are being Aholes.
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Then again, in general, I don’t like most Flyers fans I encounter at games so perhaps that makes me more willing to vocalize the reasons they are being Aholes.
I just generally don’t like most people anywhere I go; most people are selfish, ignorant fuckheads who think the world revolves around them. Has nothing to do with what team for which they root; it’s inherent in the species.
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by doubleh on Jan 4, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
This.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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It’s probably why I don’t have a lot of friends. ;-(
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I do have a lot of friends though. I think maybe I like people individually, but I don’t like people as a whole. Or maybe I’ve just been lucky to end up in the right circles.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I don’t mind that I don’t have a lot of friends, actually. I’ve cut ties with a lot of the “fringe” folks I’ve known over the years who were more drama than they are worth. I know who my real friends are. I’m a acquired taste; I don’t make it easy for folks to get to know me or befriend me. I’m OK with that.
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Upon further reflection, I think for me it might be ending up in the right circles. Most of my college friends I have from marching band, which was a big group and we tended to be somewhat like-minded to begin with. Same in high school, though I hardly talk to any of them anymore. And my company is a small one (~70 people) where personality is almost as important as technical skills for being hired. I’ve just been lucky to find myself in groups of people I get along with.
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Aww … we all care here at least.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 4, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, that makes it tough, cuz I see the same thing more often than I’d like to.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 4, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree, my experiences there have been worse than other arenas, perhaps because I have a larger sample size to pull from; but at the same time I sit in a nicer section there as well. The Richards stuff this year is when I officially cut ties with feeling any sort of comradery. Again, maybe it’s more to do with being witness to more of it there, but back when I used to attend Phillies games regularly I never noticed it.
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Well, a lot of Flyers fans are pretty stupid. It’s funny just how many stupid hockey fans in general there really are; it’s a pretty advanced sport.
That said, Linc fans are no better. Jets fans were the worst I’ve ever seen. Like the goddamned colliseum up there.
CPB fans are pretty great. The Vet element is gone. They go to the Wach now.
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Maybe it is because I sit in a nicer section, but because we are behind the visitor’s dugout, there are often times a lot of visiting fans near us when we go to Phillies games and I’ve never seen any problems at all at CBP. My sample size is not great (only five games a year), but my experience is CBP really is a friendly, relaxed atmosphere.
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That’s what I noticed, both when they still played in the Vet and now in CBP, though I have been to far less games since the WS as I tend to buy tickets spur of the moment at the last minute and those cheap tickets last minute aren’t quite as available as they used to be.
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I got to 6 or so games a year and playoffs (if they occur) and sit in a different section every time. Once there was an issue. It was a 60 year old Mets fan shouting obscenities. The rest of the fans got him removed and that was that.
Other than that, I’ve perhaps caused some problems for yelling at Chipper and asking where his walker was and angering the old Brave fan bitch in my row whereupon she glared at me the entire game. What’s wrong with a little heckling? I’m in the front row, third base side, there’s a rain delay…isn’t that a prime location to heckle a player that I don’t like?
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I avoid the Linc because of that in general, except for soccer games.
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It’s all the young men, ages 20-35, acting like douchebags…pissing in the parking lot, getting blitzed and running their big mouths. First generation walking upright in their families. Mommy must be so proud.
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Hey now, don’t bring us parking lot pissers into your argument.
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by boknows71 on Jan 4, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, last year My future inlaws bought my future bro-in-law tickets to Eagles Giants at the Linc (he is a Giants fan, the rest of us are Eagles fans). Jenn bought me tickets so it could be a whole family thing, so I went. Protecting Jenn’s brother for literally just sitting in his seat with a Giants hat on almost got me arrested.
I won’t be going back.
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I really wanted to go the Broncos/Eagles game when they came to the Linc.
I thought about it and realized that I currently am not that suicidal.
I DO go to Phillies games when they play the Astros wearing Astros gear and I get nothing. (Now Mets and Braves gear. that might get me in trouble)
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Even with the Mets, it’s mostly good natured ribbing, not nasty comments. there is a distinct difference in what i heard yelled at opposing team’s fans at Phillies games, and what i hear shouted at Flyers game.
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Maybe it’s because you go to more Flyers games, but I rarely if ever hear anything nasty, just some random booing
I did almost see one fight last season and that was really it.
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Oddly enough it’s usually being shouted down from the club box (not the actual suites, just that roped off area of the lower bowl). I think they feel safe and superior up there, plus they have a bar right there which probably lubricates their normal verbal filters.
FWIW, I typically see a few fights a year, plus at least one Flyers fan versus Flyers fan fight.
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Not Mets, they suck now and will for the foreseeable future. When they used to invade the ballpark a few years ago, it was bad, but mostly bad because THEY would start shit. Braves fans don’t travel for the most part.
Pretty soon you might get to see the Astros play the Phils in IL play. ;-)
I think it’s fine to go to the Linc to see one game; I just won’t let anyone I care about wearing opposing gear. When I went to that Jets game, I was advised not to wear Eagles gear. I am glad I didn’t.
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I think this is the big difference I see in traveling fans in baseball as opposed to other sports: in baseball, fans travel a lot so they can start stuff and squawk about their team (all those obnoxious Phils fans in SD and AZ popping up everywhere for instance). Football/hockey, they just want to see their team play.
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Argh, this sort of shit infuriates me when I go to concerts. And I’m talking bands like OAR and Mumford and Sons.
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I went to a Who concert years ago and a fight broke out. These kids weren’t even sperm when the Who were in their prime. Just there to be seen and have a reason to drink is my guess.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
The crowds at Who concerts are pretty repulsive. Last time I saw them, everyone was drunk as shit. At the end of the concert, the bathroom was full of people trying to piss. Some assholes were upset at how long everyone was taking, so they started yelling, “Two to a pisser! Two to a stall! Two to a sink!” By the time I left the bathroom, I passed by three sinks, each of which had two drunk dudes peeing into them.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
hmm. So if the Flyers are my favorite sports team and The Who is my favorite band am I just a thin crust of civility hiding a mass of bad behavior?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for supporting the troops and everything. My last GF was in the military. But I get really bothered during the near-jingoistic chants of “USA! USA!” when the Flyers are playing a Canadian team.
I go to the games because I love the Flyers, not because I feel any sort of camaraderie with the fan base. I’ve said on here many times that I wish I could clone all of us here and fill the Wells Fargo Center with us. Instead of yelling “Crosby sucks!” we’d yell “Lilja sucks!”
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
“Give us facts! Screw your narrative!”
Fanbase: “You’re blind ref.”
BSH section: “Actually we all are. Selective memory and confirmation bias….”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And you are today’s winner of the Will Rogers award. :-)
Your comments normally don’t betray this kind of misanthropy.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a fallen romantic, which is just another word for cynic. I still have hope for the species, but I am forever being let down by most humankind.
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fallen romantic
what a great phrase. I have images of Byron and Chopin lying on the ground, trying to summon the emotional courage to write another poem or nocturne in the face of human stupidity and cruelty.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I thought she was talking about Hartnell in a cupid outfit.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I can definitely tell how rapidly my hope has dwindled since roughly high school.
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I saw a Habs fan try it once at a playoff game (2010 ECF game 1). Guy got himself tossed out, too.
But yeah, it happens a lot here in Florida. It certainly doesn’t help that the club has gone out of their way to be accommodating to away fans.
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A fucking blue blanket. And you married her?
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Navy blue, not Rangers blue. It’s what I had in the car. My own fault for not grabbing the Terps blanket from the house.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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People who aren’t accustomed to the totems and traditions of sports fandom and all its irrationality must think it is completely insane when they’re exposed to it.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
More and more I’m feeling it is deserved for the most part, then again, it’s deserved a lot of places. There are just a lot of Aholes (at least when intoxicated) that attend sporting events and use it as an outlet for something they aren’t happy with in life.
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This kinda shit just doesn’t happen at Steve’s Prince of Steaks.
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by boknows71 on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Someone turned me on that place just before I left town. Great.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
I hate how these isolated incidents label an entire fan base. The hooliganism needs to stop, the violence needs to stop. This isn’t the Old West. I hate the Rangers, and dislike most of their fans, but it doesn’t need to come to vicious words or even worse, violence.
I was at the Classic, aisle seat in 150. Majority Flyers fans, quite a few dozen Rangers fans by me as well. The Rangers fans were polite and well behaved. I hate to admit that there was one (let me reiterate that….ONE) man in his 50’s, with a woman who was presumably his wife, that was being so foul-mouthed and obscene towards one of the women in that group that I had to ask him to chill out. There was no provocation from the Rangers fans. I’m all for a heated rivalry, and love the trash talk between fans, but it doesn’t need to get personal, verbally or physically.
I am pleased that the general public seems to be getting to the point where they say “enough is enough”. As one of many diehard Flyers fans, I can say I’m pissed off that violent behavior exists among select members of our fan base. It has no place in stadium/fans, and certainly not in the streets.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
Shit makes me sick. I really hope they can find out who did this and make sure they get punished appropriately. Such a horrible representation of Philly and Flyers fans especially.
Kinda ironic that they’re wearing G and Jags jerseys when all those two are about on the ice is playing the game with class and respect. F*cking disgraceful right here
monsters moonlighting as sports fans
I’ve seen plenty of Flyers fans and Rangers fans boil over into ugly name-calling and threatening and shoving around. But there’s a different kind of person who really likes to hit other people and is able to do so under cover of a sports jersey. You can’t really apologize for them (unless you have the same desire, I guess) but there is an embarrassment and shame over it.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions
^THIS. These are violent people who are looking for a fight, regardless. The sports veil allows them to do so. They aren’t really fans; they’re animals.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I would find it hard to believe if this was the only fighting incident. I mean, this stuff is bound to happen. However, that doesn’t mean I’m condoning it all.
I actually helped a Rangers fan out in one of the bathrooms. He washed his hands and had no idea how to get the paper towels out of the dispenser. So I went over and showed him how to operate it.
Not all of us are assholes.
Probably the first time a Rags fan washed his hands after pissing.
by BannedStreetBully on Jan 4, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn’t watch..I hate that kind of crap. Just pathetic.
Hopefully these guys get caught. The said thing is, even if they do get caught, the punishment will probably be less then non-violence related crimes. No one should have to fear being any place at any time in the United States(or anywhere for that matter).
Hopefully these guys are locked up for 10 + years.
by ThatsGoodKoolAid on Jan 4, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Come on
How come no one is saying what really needs to be said here?
Why were they at Geno’s? Bunch of tourists.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
by doubleh on Jan 4, 2012 3:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is not just something happens in Philadelphia
This happens everywhere at sporting events in the US. It shouldn’t happen, but it does.
Almost every time I’ve seen a fight break out at a sporting event, alcohol has been involved. I’ve seen this at Wrigley Field, White Sox Park, Soldier Field, United Center, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, Candlestick Park, Qualcomm Stadium, MSG, TDbank North Garden, and the Philadelphia stadiums and arenas. It’s a problem everywhere.
From the years I’ve had Flyers season tickets, you don’t see too many fights during regular season games. There are some and it ‘s usually a drunk opposing team fan talking trash and a Flyers fan, who has had way too much to drink before and during the game, taking offense to the opposing fan talking trash. This happens a lot during playoff games and for some reason, I’ve seen a ton of fights in the bathroom during intermission of playoff games. This is why there is always a security guard at the exit of the bathroom during intermissions now.
This is on video so of course it’s going to be forwarded all over the place and all the Philadelphia has the worst fans stories will continue. I hope these guys get caught.
This. A ton of haters try to make it a Philly problem, and Philly gets an undue spotlight for stuff that happens everywhere.
Flyers, Phillies, Union, Eagles, Phantoms, Wings.
by Pelti on Jan 4, 2012 3:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
IDK. Seems to happen moreso in Philly because too many folks are “proud” of the rep and we as Philadelphians have a tendency to always say what’s on our mind, for better or worse. No one in Philly holds anything back ever.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I agree
I have a friend who has lived in and around LA his whole life.
A few years ago, he came out to visit me and see an Eagles game. We went to a Flyers game the night before and he went to the 11th street atrium to watch part of the Dodgers playoff game. He was cheering for the Dodgers and the bartender asks him if he is a Dodger fan. He says yes and the bartender goes off on how much he hates the Dodgers and some of their players. The bartender ask where he is from and my friend says LA. Bartender then says to my friend that it’s ok for him to root for them since he is from there but not his idiot neighbor who has never been to LA.
My friend made the comment how people from the east coast don’t hold back on anything.
Does it make me a bad person if I agree with the bartender?
by hebrew hammer on Jan 4, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was shocked when I moved to Wilkes-Barre for a year before leaving PA altogether how varied people’s sports allegiances were up there. I guess growing up far enough outside the general Philly area let a bunch of them root for other teams even though Philly sports were broadcast locally. So I’ve met a few who were like the bartender’s neighbor.
It’s pretty funny that his first reaction was to just go off though.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 4, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Lots of Yankee fans up there because of the minor league affiliate.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
And the Pens AHL team as well. But I met people who were into every team in every league. It was pretty crazy.
by hebrew hammer on Jan 4, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hope they catch those guys. As a fan of a team that has more than its fair share of idiots supporting it, I can sympathize with the frustration of getting tarred with one brush by the conduct by a minority of fans.
I should also add that I’ve been guilty in the past of drawing broad generalizations about the Philly fanbases based on certain exceptional incidents, but have interacted with a lot of great Flyers fans online who made me realize how stupid I was for tarring Philly fans, or any entire fanbase period, with one brush. As this post and comment thread show, there are many, many fantastic fans – to say nothing of the Flyers fans trying to break up the fight. There are always unfortunately some goons in every fanbase who give everyone a collective black eye through their conduct.
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by nucksandpucks on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I should also add that I’ve been guilty in the past of drawing broad generalizations about the Philly fanbases based on certain exceptional incidents, but have interacted with a lot of great Flyers fans online who made me realize how stupid I was for tarring Philly fans, or any entire fanbase period, with one brush. As this post and comment thread show, there are many, many fantastic fans – to say nothing of the Flyers fans trying to break up the fight. There are always unfortunately some goons in every fanbase who give everyone a collective black eye through their conduct.
Thank you very much. These sentiments are much appreciated.
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The thing here
Is that is not Flyers x Rangers
Is idiots x idiots (or not, don’t know why the whole thing started…maybe its idiots x guy at the wrong place at the wrong time)
But what I mean is that this is not “flyers behaviour” or “philly behaviour”….is just some morons who just happen to be wearing Flyer jerseys.
We see a lot of that here in Brazil in soccer matches. People who put on a jersey and think that because they wear this jersey, every other people wearing other jerseys are supposed to be terminated.
And its a real issue here, to the point were a visiting teams fans have to get in the stadium hours before the game, so that the other don’t ambush them…yes…ambush.
They even change the traffic in the region, so that both sides dont meet in the street or anything….
And these people are just using sports as an excuse….If not they would fight someone in traffic, or in a grocery store or wherever they are…
What I mean by all of this is that sure, the media will sell as “philly” or “broad street bullies”…but if you go to NY, you might meet 3 assholes who would do the same…and same in toronto, or chicago, or phoenix, or whatever
by Ivan Monteiro Prado on Jan 4, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions
This stuff sickens me. Happens everywhere though. It happened at a San Francisco baseball game last year. It sucks Philly is labled as being like this, and these idiots aren’t helping the image. I love that Philly fans are intense, and don’t really care about our image. Let people think what they will.
I’m sure it’s not the first time and I’m even more positive that it won’t be the last. When i was 6-7 years old, i went to my first Flyers game with my dad and they were playing the Rangers. Well, Rangers won the game and as everyone was on their way out of the Spectrum, a group of 7 or 8 Rangers fans start a chant of “Flyers suck”. Needless to say with their brilliant choice of words to shot out after a loss at the visitors building, there were TONS of Flyers fans that proceeded to beat the snot out of them. I was pushed down, kicked in the head, and had my hand trampled on to the point of breaking 3 fingers. So my dad was in complete panic and took me years for him to take me to another game.
My whole point is those Rangers fans in the video may not of been innocent though no one deserves this type of treatment. Asshole and alcohol don’t mix.
I was in Section 103 and there was this completely drunk degenerate who kept telling the Rangers fans in front of him “you guys are fucking faggots”. The one Rangers fan said “well, it is legal in New York now, so…” Best zinger I’ve heard in a good while. Stick tap to them also for not giving in and losing their cool.
I hate you. I hate you. I don't even know you, and I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and nobody else but you.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go put some water in Buc Nasty's momma's dish. Good evenin'.
there’s some clown on the fb page running his mouth about doing. he’s either a troll or an idiot.
A Flyers fan in Pittsburgh and doing my part to make them uncomfortable.
by Daniel Ramirez on Jan 4, 2012 5:14 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Apropos of all this
This is a hockey movie coming out soon, including Liev Schreiber. Jan 6 in UK. 2/24 video on demand. Limited theater release in March. Interesting timing, given the three deaths last summer.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 4, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Saw a preview, looks horrible. And that’s just the plot and the acting, not getting into why the whole premise is probably going to suck to actual hockey fans.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
Yeah. I’m waiting for the Mitch Albom and Kevin Smith flim Hit Somebody. That should be a great movie.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 4, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
This year sometime, I believe. Smith wrote it, it’s about a guy that loves hockey and loves to play hockey, he knows nothing else. The only problem is that he can’t play well. So he makes it as high into the ranks as he can then turns to being the enforcer as a means to continue to play the game he loves. I’ve heard it’s a lot like the wrestler in that it’s just a touching tale about a guy that can’t do what he loves so gets by in other ways.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 4, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
So a somewhat true to life tale if what guys like Biz say is true. He’s a fourth liner and has to be tough and/or fight to keep his spot.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
Just did some more reading. Smith says he’s going to Kill Bill it and make it two volumes. The first ending when the guy makes it to the NHL. Very interesting. I can’t wait.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 4, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
Also, just to give you more info it’s based on the song with the same name by Warren Zevon…written by Albom.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 4, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
Alert Police!
If it hasn’t already, this video should be forwarded to the Philadelphia D.A.’s office so they can investigate this crime, along with 3rd District Police & South Detectives.
"All the experts come out, all the pundits come out with their opinions...the truth of the matter is if they knew anything about the game, they'd be in it" - George McPhee, General Manager, Washington Capitals.
I hope the individuals involved are found and properly arrested, fined, and/or made to listen to Justin Bieber music while eating Snooki out,. F’n despicable. Doesn’t matter if it were Flyer fans or not (Note: I’d say the same if it were Ranger fans doing it btw)
R.I.P Derek
Rangers FTW!
by BleedsRangerBlue on Jan 4, 2012 7:50 PM EST reply actions
On a lighter note:
Rick DiPietro got injured….. while on injured reserve. Everyone turn to Long Island, point…and laugh
R.I.P Derek
Rangers FTW!
by BleedsRangerBlue on Jan 4, 2012 7:52 PM EST reply actions
Clearly I'm A Rangers fan
I hope that these guys are put in jail for that. I don’t mind the trash talk and even the verbal stuff (too an extent) but once it turns violent it just crosses the line.
By the way no fan should be afraid to wear their teams jerseys and stuff to a stadium or arena. They should expect to be heckled a bit just not tortured or beaten up.
I really hope people learn from this incident.
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-Brendan Shanahan
by RichieToGabbySCORE on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions
Clearly I am a Ranger's fan too, but........
It is not the fact that the person (that was sucker punched) was a Ranger fan that hurts. It is not that fact that he is a police officer that hurts(Some might even cheer…..j/k). What does hurt, is that this person was an Iraqi War Vet of two tours, and he has a Purple Heart. The sacrifice he AND his family made to keep me, my family, and my country safe, I could never repay. Too bad some drunk fans got out of control. That video has several lessons for all of us.
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by nathansfamous on Jan 5, 2012 4:53 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree, it doesn’t matter one bit that he’s a veteran. This shouldn’t happen to anyone.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I disagree. I think it does matter that he was a vet., but I do agree this should not happen to anyone.
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!
"Stepan, step in, step out" Timothy Leary
Scott Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving!
by nathansfamous on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is why I like this blog. Our favorite teams may not get along at all, but Travis & Co. and the commentariat here are class acts.
That said, the only way I’d go to a Pens game in Philadelphia is if I could sit in a section surrounded by you guys. There’s no way in bloody hell I’d go in for a single ticket and sit by myself unless I did so without showing any allegiances at all.
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