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UPDATED: Reaching out to the Rangers fans who were assaulted
by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 4, 2012 9:05 PM EST
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PrintUPDATE Monday 1/9: Sorry for the delay in determining how we are going to collect the money! I had to get authorization from PayPal on how to do it properly; because otherwise there is a risk of the money being frozen or flagged as suspicious, which would prevent us from being able to make a purchase. This is based on PayPal's customer service telling me the best way to handle the situation, because it's not related to a 501c(3) and thus it isn't covered under their donation policies.
Because this falls under their acceptable use policy as 'a group of people chipping in to buy someone a gift', we need to use the process of Sending Money to a Friend. If you have a PayPal account, click on send money, and then you would send it to my email address, which is DragonGirl0583 AT yahoo.com, the same as the email address in my BSH profile. If you don't have PayPal and do not want to sign up for it; you can email me (same email address), and I can send you a request link, which will allow you to chip in without a log in. PayPal is the most effective means of collecting it, because if we end up going with jerseys or whatever, I can pay for them directly from PayPal without having to actually withdraw anything from the fund.
No one is obligated to participate in this effort, and if you want to chip in, it's whatever you want to add to the account. I'll keep you guys posted on the status of the collection, and one of the other members of the masthead can even audit it if it'll make people more comfortable.
Even though they cheer for a rival team, the fans who were assaulted at Geno's on Monday evening are still part of the global hockey community, just like us. And since real hockey fans stick together, I want to gauge the community's interest on chipping in to do something for the victims.
VorAbaddon deserves full credit for initiating the conversation, by offering up the opening suggestion:
This is an epic bucket of shite and I think we (Meaning – the general Philly fanbase) should do something for the folks who got beaten to a pulp. Mayhaps we can chip in $5-$10 bucks here and there and get them jerseys or something?
Do the folks over at Blueshirt Banter have press credentials they can maybe use to even get some of the Rags to sign the jerseys before we get them to the guys in the hospital?
So if we set up a secure way to collect it, would people be interested in chipping in a couple dollars to do something for them? Vote yes or no in the poll below so we'll know whether or not to get this going, and add any additional suggestions on what we could do in the comments below.
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I do not know if they are given the regular credentials Travis is given, but Joe Fortunato did have credentials for the Winter Classic. He will probably be the guy to contact for this.
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I think I remember there being some stories in the past about them having difficulties with credentials, that may no longer be true, but once things get a little farther along and we know if/what we’re actually doing I’ll definitely talk to them first. And the township authorities who confirmed he was an off duty cop will likely be a suitable third party to make contact in the interest of delivering any items to them; once we actually get to that point.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 4, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be happy to contribute. Maybe this will convince people that Philly fans aren’t complete dicks.
Bryz has low self esteem
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
by Philly37 on Jan 4, 2012 11:23 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I would throw in, but I think the majority of me wants some of that vigilante justice for the moron “tough-guys” who need to get theirs.
I think this is a great idea…I happen to be a Caps fan living in Philadelphia and I love this city. I hate to see things like this assault(or any such violence over sports) happen, but I know there are many great people and fans in here in Philly and this would be a great thing to do. I’ll contribute to any way you decide to help!
Just an idea
I think that we should include an apologetic note, even though we didn’t actually commit the crime.
It could go something like this:
“Dear______,
We would like to apologize to you for all the wrongs that those men did to you. We might hate each others team on the ice, but at the end of the day, we are all human beings. We here at Broad Street Hockey know that was done to you was wrong, and we are sympathetic. So here is a Rangers jersey, signed by the team. (assuming we get one) We hope that you are getting better.
Signed, the entire BSH community”
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by Philly37 on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Sort of assumed there should be a note
But thanks, Philly37, for making it explicit. I don’t personally always want “credit” for giving or doing my part for others, etc. But in this case I think it’s important that the recipient(s) understand where it comes from. Should we all manage to see this through.
by Georgia_Flyer on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not a Flyers fan and I live in Canada, but I’d love to contribute.
by melancholyculkin on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 AM EST reply actions
Forget that he was a Ranger fan. Forget that he was an off duty cop. What he is, he is an Iraqi War Veteran with a Purple Heart to boot. This guy made enormous sacrifices for our country, and he did not deserve any of this. I live in Ft. Lauderdale, and we had a Marine vet. with numerous tours, come home safe, then gets shot here in a robbery. Unbelievable.
Anyways, thanks for putting the effort in, we are all hockey fans at heart. The guys who did this were just a bunch of drunk jackoffs. It is always easy to be tough 2 on 1 or 3 on 1. Good luck to you guys on the rest of your season. Hope you have a great 2012.
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IMHO, forget that he is a vet with a purple heart, too. This just shouldn’t happen to anyone.
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by hintzy64 on Jan 5, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True.
PRUSTOSTERONE!!!
"Stepan, step in, step out" Timothy Leary
Scott Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving!
by nathansfamous on Jan 5, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I think you already know I’m in, but if not, now you do.
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I’m broke but I’m in. I’ll help draft a letter to.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Also we should get them a cheesesteak somehow. Presumably they never got the one from Genos.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 5, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
If so, get them one from somewhere better than Genos.
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This is why I don’t think they are actually from Philly: prolly from the ’burbs or NJ. No self-respecting Philadelphian gets their cheesesteak from Genos.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Where do you guys prefer? Honestly, I’m from DE, so I always got my steaks from Casapullas, which is near my house. I’ve only been to South Street once (a travesty, I know), and got a steak at a tiny little hole-in-the-wall I stumbled upon. I think it might have been called Liberty Steaks? It was downstairs from some bar. Delicious. But I’m curious, what are your favorites?
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Steve's Prince of Steaks
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Jan 6, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Jim’s on South Street. For a well publicized one, Tony Luke’s on Oregon is pretty good, but I actually prefer their roast pork with broccoli rabe.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Their Chicken Cutlet Italiano is to die for. Die!!!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I have yet to partake. I will remember.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Breaded chicken cutlet, sharp provolone, broccoli rabe. It all works together so well.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I’m not trying to call anyone out or anything but those 10 people that said “no.” I would really like to know why. Not to start a fight but if you really believe that I’d like to see what formed that opinion. I believe that everyone here can keep the discussion civil and you won’t be trolled or destroyed by anyone who feels “yes.”
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Haha, I don’t expect those were serious responses, honestly. I just made it yes or no without thinking about it too much, but it was the count of Yes votes that I was really after anyway.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know I think there are a couple ways you could look at it where they wouldn’t be opposed to a gesture but maybe something else in how it’s being carried out.
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I said no. Not that I meant to be rude. I just don’t know if it is the best option, or if the guy would want a “sorry for the philly fans that kicked your ass jersey.” Yes I think it would be a kind, and of course I’m not against it, just don’t know if its the “best” option. Thats what you get wtih a Y/N vote. Mabe he’d feel better if we found this guy and gave him a beat down, then posted it on the internet like it happend to him.
by SkookFlyerfan on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
A possibility
And to be clear, I didn’t vote no, but the reason I might even have a little tinge of trepidation about something like this is that I don’t feel that I have to apologize for the actions of two drunken idiots simply for the fact that they like the same hockey team as I do.
Apologizing for them or making up for what they did would mean that I’m represented by, responsible for or connected to them in some way and I’m not. Not in any way.
Again, it’s a fine idea and I don’t mean to discourage it in at all. But if I was going to give you an argument as to why someone could vote no (other than just to troll), that’s it.
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As you say, you can only really apologize for the things that you are responsible for. But perceptions matter as well as reality, and if you are a Flyers fan or even a Philadelphia sports fan there is a perceived connection there from the outside, however unreasonable it might be. Part of life is dealing with these kinds of brush-tarring.
Gestures like this can be very powerful, and it’s a way to move beyond a narrow definition of accountability to a broader sense of responsibility in “improving the meeting” as the Quakers might put it. Lots of people who hike in the woods pick up other people’s trash because they care about the woods. This is something like that.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well, either way, I can certainly agree that I feel for the individual that was the victim in this situation. And certainly a kind gesture on his behalf is always a welcome idea.
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Hey Ranger fan here - well done, seriously.
This is a fantastic gesture.
"To everybody else we're underdogs, but we go in thinking we can handle any team in the NHL."
Brandon Prust, #8, New York Rangers
Alternative
Instead of a jersey, how about raising money to
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
oops
cover co-pays/medical expenses. It’s probably much more complicated, but far more meaningful IMO. Not sure how realistic that is, but just a thought.
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I like that idea.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
It would be a nice idea, but I’m not sure how much we’ll actually raise. I think the best thing would be to come up with a few more suggestions, and then once we can get the collection set up, we can make the final decision once we have an idea of where we’re going to end up financially. I’m not as worried about logistical complications, because I’m confident that those can be overcome.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 5, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Rangers come back to philly on SAT FEB 11, 2012
Since it is a weekend possibly BSH could do a pre-game meet up and invite them.
Somehow make the gathering focused around a fundraiser
The proceeds coud then go the a cause of their choosing
Just listened to Travis on Marek vs Wysh. He suggested that since the Flyers honor a war veteran during every game, maybe the Flyers could bring in the Rangers fan in as a show of good faith. Maybe it’s a start?
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Jan 5, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Another game ticket
Is by far the best idea. And frankly, the Flyers should donate it.
If the fans want to raise money, give it to a charity in the guys name or something. BUt the team should step up with the tickets.
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Tickets to another game, along with the promise of BSH members volunteering as bodyguards to ensure safe passage?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 5, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
A similar thing happened
Actually over Bleeding Green Nation. It didn’t make headlines, but a Giants fan who has cerebal palsy and is wheelchair bound posted on a message board that he was harassed leaving an Eagles game. I’m sure you can imagine some of the things that were said to him… Well, one of the people who read the site saw the posting.
So, just as you did here, someone started a fanpost, took up a collection and bought him tickets to another game and I actually think one of our community members went with him.
I thought it was great. In the end, the person was deprived of a nice game experience. So to give them that back is very appropriate I think.
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that is great. in a lot of ways that situation feels uglier.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well I dunno… No one got hurt in that incident. But at the same time, it’s pretty cowardly to make fun of a wheelchair bound kid.
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yeah, kind of stupid to rank them. they both suck pretty bad.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
From Alaska here
lots of positive responses so a few bucks from each of us can really make this happen! Where do we need to send the dough? KreiderDesigns, can we paypal it to you?
by alaskalovestheflyers on Jan 5, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions
Somewhat OT: Right now the poll says 90% yes, 9% no.
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Talked about doing something like this with friends earlier and think it’s a wonderful idea. I’m in.
I say after the jerseys or whatever could be obtained, how about a donation in his name to Soldier’s Angels and/or to his local Police Department? Would be a nice way to honor him to the Country and Community he serves.
by flyersgirl38 on Jan 5, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How about a donation to our local PD? They apparently need it.
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I love the idea of trying to get some jerseys signed and then donating the rest to Soldier’s Angels and/or his local PD in his name. To this point, 338 people voted that it was a good idea to take up a collection, and if all of them actually participate, we should have some left over to donate to a charity. If all of those people donated just $5, we would have $1690, and I know that personally I was planning to donate more than that, so it may exceed that.
My father has done plenty of business over the years with Peter Luukko and the Flyers. I told him what we were trying to do here and he gave me Peter’s assistant’s e-mail. He (my father) suggested that the Flyers would help us out with this. Don’t know how exactly, but I’ll contact Peter’s assistant and see what she has to say.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Look at you, the man with many connections.
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My father is the man with many connections. In some ways he and I are opposites, but I definitely get my penchant for “do-gooder-ness” from him. I didn’t expect him to reply to me with this woman’s e-mail, but it was very nice of him to help out.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I prefer to picture you in your winter classic attire wheeling and dealing with the big wigs.
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You mean my Docs, green jeans, flannel shirt, and Flyers snow hat? Yup, that’s definitely what you wear to shmooze.
I just sent an e-mail to Mr. Luukko’s assistant. I’ll let you all know what she says.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
You should probably tell him you know a very talented graphic designer…
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 5, 2012 9:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Who?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Ouch. // wipes away single tear //
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by KreiderDesigns on Jan 6, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Very classy idea gang.
It’s ironic that my opinion of Philadelphia fans is going to improve after this ugly event because of the response to it you guys have had. Hopefully something can work out and you will be able to make this gesture to the gentlemen who were assaulted.
Idiots are idiots, they are (unfortunately) everyfuckingwhere and wear all kinds of colors, including orange and blue.
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by Dig Deep on Jan 5, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
another thing, too, from this. i often worry about the implications of social media for human connection etc etc but this solution and motion doesn’t happen without social media tools.
See you in February, i think it is.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 5, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I received a response from Peter Luukko’s assistant. She said that if we were to get the jerseys, we could just send them to her. She would get them to the right person at the Rangers to get them signed.
Jen, I e-mailed you about this just in case you wanted to update the FanPost.
Let’s do this, people.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I'm in!
I still think it’d be cool for the Flyers to pay for them, but whatever. How many jerseys can we get for $1600?
Is the identity of the other victim known? Two jerseys, and a much larger amount to be donated to some charity of their choosing?
by Georgia_Flyer on Jan 6, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t ask the Flyers for money. It was completely random of me to be contacting them in the first place.
The money should come from us. We’ll get enough to buy two jerseys, and then discuss what to do with the rest.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I know you didn't ask.
I wouldn’t have, either, in your shoes.
I was saying it’d be cool of the Flyers to offer. It’s great for it to come straight from the fans too, so either way :-).
I like the jerseys/tickets idea, too!
by Georgia_Flyer on Jan 6, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
if we are able to raise $1600
If we get them the nice kind of jerseys, we should have about $900. So we could get them some really nice seats for a game.
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by Philly37 on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
With Leftover..
Even for really nice seats, it won’t total $900, so there could still be some leftover, if that’s the amount we end up raising. I still like the idea flyersgirl38 had about donating the rest to Soldier’s Angels or a similar charity in the wounded vet’s name, but that’s just me.
Also...
By now, 492 people voted yes in that poll, and if everyone who voted yes donated just $5, we’d have $2460. Probably not every person will end up donating, but some people may donate more than $5 too. So I think we’ll definitely be looking at leftover money even with jerseys and tickets.
Fantastic! Let’s make it happen.
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by Philly37 on Jan 6, 2012 3:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Great Idea
I am all for it. It sucks to see this happen. It sucks even more that this is the type of thing that gives Philly fans a bad name. Especially cause its a few idiots that do this type of thing. I was at the Blackhawks game last night and there were some fun bashing of each others team going back and fourth. Thats what its suppose to be FUN. I must say it made the game experince that much better that we could all be adults going back and forth at each other. This post is the type of fan I like being around. Great Idea BSH posters and all that support this Idea.
this blog
im more of a bgn guy myself just because i know more about football. but i love the flyers and watch every game i can (live in CT now). whenever i come over to BSH you guys have some great post up. the last one was a tribute to everyone who passed away. and now this. BSH, you guys are a completely different blog than ive ever seen. its great to see theres still so many great ppl on the internet
claude giroux and shady mccoy. the future
Ok, Ok... but where do I send the money?
Is everyone done commenting? Cause I’d really like to know where to send a donation… even though I’ve been unemployed for 3 years and have no income. If the plan is to buy a couple of Ranger’s jerseys, get them to Peter Luuko’s assistant for her to get to the Ranger’s organisation for player’s to sign AND then present them at the Flyers-Rangers game on 2/11, then things need to start moving. Sorry everyone, I’ve been hyped about this great idea since seeing it, and being new to this blog, had to wait out the 24 hour approval period.
I know that everyone is busy, but should we place a deadline for donations, so that we can try and buy the jersey for the next Rangers game?!
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Yes I think we should actually re-post it, with a deadline and all the other details.
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I will work on that tomorrow.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Jan 9, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
From a fan of another team...
Respect… All of us in the hockey community have taken notice and really appreciate what is going on here.
#12 Carl Hagelin
by The Blue Seats on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions
I am a very poor non-profit employee...
but I just chipped in $5 for this. I value our reputation, no matter how poor it may be at this point. Good luck with the rest of the fundraising!
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Money Sent!
Got paid this morning and just sent a donation. Here’s to fixing the reputation of us Flyer fans.
Anything else we can do?
Interesting pseudonym there, mister.
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by MaximumTalbot on Jan 11, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
Hahaha yeah.. It all goes back to the days of being obsessed with fire, obsessed with actual penguins (I volunteered in the husbandry department at the local aquarium for 3 years during HS), and high school pride.
I was a strange child…
by PyropenguinX on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to involve tBG in this in some way, finacially.
How long do you think the money collection will go on for?
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I’m not sure, but we are going to set a deadline. Jenn is going to post an update either today or tomorrow, but maybe a week or two?
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I think that'll work out for me and the blog.
Hopefully will raise some funds in the next week.
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by Scott Kessler on Jan 11, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Because this falls under their acceptable use policy as ‘a group of people chipping in to buy someone a gift’, we need to use the process of Sending Money to a Friend. If you have a PayPal account, click on send money, and then you would send it to my email address, which is DragonGirl0583 AT yahoo.com, the same as the email address in my BSH profile. If you don’t have PayPal and do not want to sign up for it; you can email me (same email address), and I can send you a request link, which will allow you to chip in without a log in.
If you have an account, go to paypal.com and sign in. Select “Send Money” then put in DG’s email address as above. I send it as “Personal” and “Other”, but probably won’t make a difference. If you don’t have an account, send her an email and she will send you the link to contribute.
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by JerseyDriver on Jan 10, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
It’s easy. I did it. I’m sure you can too…
by alaskalovestheflyers on Jan 11, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
New & updated FanPost, as requested: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2012/1/11/2700784/rangers-fan-project-details-updates
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To do list:
1) Buy New Jersey Devils jersey
2) Buy tickets to Feb 4 game
3) Start fight with Flyers fan
4) Get rich!
How pissed is every other person that has ever gotten into a fight at an opposing venue right now, and nothing was ever done about it, just because they weren’t a veteran?
I'm kind of a dick.
by Vansteel on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If this was a 48 year old, balding, over-weight sanitation worker from New York, not a peep would have been heard…..just another fight…..
I'm kind of a dick.
by Vansteel on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It has nothing to do with the fact that this guy is a veteran. We’ve been through this. We started this idea up well before we knew who he was or what he did for a living.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Exactly. People need to check out the initial post on here again. When this started the only thing we knew about any of these people was the shirt they were wearing on January 2, 2012.
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The humor of this guy possibly pocketing thousands of dollars has occurred to me as well. But that actually makes me feel better about it. If somebody’s going to get a small windfall when better than after having been beaten up? It’s the people taking civil damages into their own hands.
And I was in favor of doing something about this before finding out he was a veteran or a cop. So at least one peep would have been heard. I think other peeps here have said the same thing.
Also, about #3. It’s
3.) Get sucker-punched and assaulted by a Flyers fan. In front of your child.
A little different than “start a fight.”
And don’t forget #4.
4.) Get rich, minus hospital expenses.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 11, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
We aren’t giving them any money. We’re giving them jerseys, our apologies and donating money to a charity that they pick. They will not profit off this besides getting a new jersey after (presumably) their jerseys were ruined by blood and the dirty ass street outside Geno’s.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Charity is fine too. Personally I’d be happy if they got the jerseys, money to pay out-of-pocket medical costs, and tickets and food money for an upcoming game.
Perhaps I’m going a bit downfield with this, but there seems to be this minority opinion (not saying it’s yours) that getting slugged and hospitalized isn’t such a big deal. Maybe if you’re a young guy with nothing better to do than exchange some punches it’s just another night’s entertainment with you ending up on the short end. If the guy’s out of shape the stress could cause a heart attack, he could land hard on his head, could be much worse.
It’s also just disgusting to see a pig do that to someone else, I don’t care who I’m a fan of. Violence is cool in the right context. Go in the ring, work it out there. Start a bar fight with a guy who’s there for the same reason. Pick someone twice your size just for giggles.
Again, I’m not responding to you. Just the idea that this guy’s getting a good deal and we need to be careful to make sure he doesn’t profit from it.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I’d be fine with money going to their medical costs as well, as ffc mentioned above.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Yeah that’s great as well.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry bud, you are wrong on this one. A number of us were on board well before any details of the person’s background came out.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Don, a couple of months ago, there was a video that came out on Puck Daddy, involving a fight at a Canadiens game, I think.. It was a fairly violent fight in the stands. The video was on BSH, either through a fanpost, or posted in the FLy-By, or whatever. I happened to ask, how often does something like that happen at the WFC, and you said it happens pretty often.
This is my problem. Why is this fight evoking so much emotion? Why aren’t all those other fights getting this type of attention? There’s a bar on Broad St in Bethlehem you may know, Joe’s Tavern, that is a huge New York fan hang-out. I used to get into fights there, and elsewhere all the time over stupid sports bullshit, and noone ever started a fund-raiser for me, why is this any different?
I'm kind of a dick.
Those fights are typically Flyer on Flyer and broken up before anyone is seriously injured. I don’t know who started it, but it is usually obviously no one was sucker punched or attacked. And when it is a fan of the other team, there is typically a lot of back and forth and it isn;t an attack more so an agreed upon meeting of the mindless.
That for me is the difference here. It’s a member of “my community” attacking someone, and I don’t approve.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I hope no one is donating money because he’s a veteran. There’s better places to give your money if your goal is to support those that are or have been in the armed forces. If anything, this is an attempt to throw money at the bad public reputation of Philly fans to have it go away. I’m not sure that’s a bad motive, necessarily, and if the end result is a guy who got assaulted gets a free hockey jersey, it’s certainly not a bad result.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
What the hell are you even saying? So what if some people are donating simply because he’s a veteran, or if that’s the main reason why they’re donating, or if it has nothing to do with why they’re donating. Now you’re setting standards for appropriate reasons to donate?
There are better places to give your money to support veterans? But no better place to help this veteran.
I have no idea what motivates your type of comment. In fact, it seems that some people have a problem that he’s gotten ‘special’ attention just because he’s a veteran. Yeah, he has — and he deserves it.
by fiveredapples on Jan 11, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
who needs veterans? we have six rookies on the team and are only a few points out of first place.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Veterans deserve thanks and gratitude, not a pedestal. This effort was not connected to him being a veteran. If people are only throwing in because he is one, well that’s their call, but that’s not what this is about. this is about human beings treating other human beings with decency.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I didn’t realize that having extra motivtion to the help the guy because he’s a veteran constituted putting him on a pedestal. You can’t separate the fact that he’s a veteran from this equation. If he were a serial murderer, would you be donating money to him? I doubt it. This isn’t about human beings treating other human beings with decency. That charity doesn’t exist. People are giving to this particular human being — and the fact that he’s a veteran plays a role in this. What was the point of trying to exclude his status as a veteran from the so-called appropriate motivation for giving?
by fiveredapples on Jan 13, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
People are giving to this particular human being — and the fact that he’s a veteran plays a role in this.
It has nothing to do with it for me.
This isn’t about human beings treating other human beings with decency. That charity doesn’t exist.
Yes it is and yes it does. That is why I am doing it.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 13, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
What was the point of trying to exclude his status as a veteran from the so-called appropriate motivation for giving?
His status wasn’t known when this effort was started. Unfortunately you are wrong here, if you go back to when this started, it had nothing to do with his job or his background. I for one and doing it because I feel, we as people should treat each other better. A emebr of my so called community did something horrible to another person, and I’d like to reach out to them in anyway possible. I could care less that this guy is a cop or is a vet. The guy could work the drive through, it literally plays no part in the equation for me, and didn’t play a part in where this started.
If it plays a part for you fine, but that’s not where this started, and it’s not why everyone is doing it.
Sorry you think such things as this:
This isn’t about human beings treating other human beings with decency. That charity doesn’t exist.That’s really sad. That charity exists 24/7 for me.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Im going to that game
Bryz has low self esteem
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
by Philly37 on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just wanted to post this here. It’s a draft of a letter to accompany the gift. I know there are a couple others floating out there so it’s not necessarily the official one. I think we should have multiple if everyone wants to write something. But to me this is our motive, it’s not about veteran/cop anything like that.
Dear Mr. Auricchio,
We know that there is no way that we can make up for what happened to you on the night of the Winter Classic. We cannot change that it happened and, though we’re trying to aid in their capture, we cannot personally bring the assailants to justice.
What we are able to do, however, is to show you that those two goons’ lack of class and general humanity is in no way indicative of any fanbase or group that we, or any respectable humans, belong to. To that end we would like to present you and your son with these signed jerseys and our deepest apologies for the actions of two idiots.
In addition to the jerseys we have raised $$$ as a community that we would like to donate to a charity of your choice (OR if we decide to have it cover medical expenses too.)
This letter does not come to you from members of the Broad Street Hockey blog. It does not come to you from fans of the Philadelphia Flyers. It comes to you from people who will not stand for the inhumanity you were shown.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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