Turnovers aid another blown Flyers lead: Ottawa wins, 6-4
by Travis Hughes on Jan 8, 2012 8:37 PM EST
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This having-a-lead-and-then-giving-it-up thing is getting to be a trend, as for the fourth game in a row tonight in Ottawa, the Philadelphia Flyers gave up a lead beyond the midway point of the hockey game.
After yesterday's win over the Senators in Philly, Peter Laviolette tried to focus on the positives -- that even though they've been giving up those leads, they've been able to win games.
"I like our team. I think we have a hard working team and certainly we don't like to give up leads. I may have flipped it to the positive and said we came back from 2-1 tonight, but we'll look at it your way if you want. It's a resilient group."
He can't flip it to the positive tonight. The Flyers had a two-goal cushion in the third period and coughed it up, allowing one of the NHL's best third period teams to walk all over them and ultimately score four goals in the third for a 6-4 win. It's getting really, really old, and there's really nothing positive about it.
There's plenty of blame to go around. Ilya Bryzgalov seems to be taking a lot of the heat, and he did give up a few weak goals today. But most of the scorn should be directed at the rest of the team, namely the defense, who just absolutely could not hold on to the puck.
It comes down to being smart when it's on your stick, and the Flyers as a whole were not smart with the puck on their stick today, especially once they got the lead. Erik Karlsson's game-tying goal in the third could be introduced as Exhibit A.
The Flyers have the puck in the opposing zone. Two Flyers in the vicinity of the puck, yet somehow Karlsson is able to pick it up and skate the length of the ice and score a goal. Should Bryzgalov stop this? Yes. Should it ever even get to him? Hell and no.
This sort of play happened time and time again tonight, and it happened in all three zones on the ice. Usually, it didn't lead directly to a goal, but when you're giving up the puck at the opposing blue line and you're making silly decisions when clearing the puck from your own zone, it's going to come back and bite you. It's one really easy way to let the opposition back into a game they're trailing, and it's exactly how the Flyers did so tonight.
Questions with Answers
- Any carryover, for either team, from the emotion of Saturday's game? Didn't notice much. Zac Rinaldo fought Zenon Konopka in the first minute of the game, but that's about it.
- What about from a physical perspective? Yeah, what answer No. 1 said.
- Ilya Bryzgalov was phenomenal on Saturday. Again? He was not. Craig Anderson was great for Ottawa, but the Flyers still beat him four times. It should have been enough to win the game.
- What's Danny Briere do for an encore? Nothing at all.
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Seems disgustingly familiar.
>> Dr. Steve
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Fire Everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Can we not have another old, bad, turnover-prone, defenseman wear number 6 as our 6th defenseman?
I go Bananas for Wayne Simmonds.
By the way, y’all, I start school again tomorrow, which means I’m around here a lot less for the next eleven weeks. I’ll be checking in periodically to see what’s doin’, especially with our assisting the Rangers fans who were assaulted.
Let’s go Flyers!
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Have fun in grad school Mike, enjoy being graded by people like me
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
So far I have a 3.92 GPA being graded by people like you.
#cloneBudinTN
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Nerd. /jk, I am a fellow nerd
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
No, you’re not kidding. I was pissed off about that one B+. I wanted a 4.0, dammit. Oh well.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Heh. See my post below. This may have been a signal.
/welcome to academia
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Nice. There was a prof in my doctoral program (who I studiously avoided) who would have deliberately given you a B even if you deserved an A, just to do an “attitude correction.”
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
My whole program is about attitude correction / self-awareness. I’m very self-aware and my addytood is freakin’ correct, a’aight?
#phillystereotype
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Among other things, I teach Organizational Behavior and one of the chapters is on “Attitude” and I always say it the “correct” way (as your post does) but somehow the students here don’t get it?
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Best of luck, Mike!
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Good luck, Mike!
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
Broad Street Hockey - Makin' it look mean since 1967.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jan 8, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, all. I’m psyched to be going back but I’ll miss allayiz.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
So we’d be paying him until 2028? How can we adjust it for seasons played? Or can we just LTIR his ass.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
On the bright side...
It seems pretty certain that the CBA negotiations this off-season will include a window for teams to do a one-time buyout without penalty. But in my opinion, buying out Bryzgalov would be a mistake, even without a cap penalty.
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by Peter Raaymakers on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
The Flyers have the uncertainty of Chris Pronger as well. He is 37, ruled out for the rest of the season with post-concussion syndrome, and is under contract until 2017 with a $4.9M cap hit on a 35+ contract.
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Bryzgalov will be given a “mulligan” for this year. They’re not going to buy him out.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Not yet, anyway.
In my personal opinion (Just-tradamus), the chances that Bryzgalov is a Flyer by the end of the 2020 season are slim and none. But an amnesty of Bryzgalov (to use the NBA’s phrase for the probable clause in the upcoming CBA) when Chris Pronger’s health and future are uncertain and on the books could end up being a mistake.
I can’t believe I just said that because I really do despise the Bryzgalov contract and the logic that went into it.
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I could see it happening if and only if Bob ends up being the playoff starter.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 8, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
This is not a good stretch. I am not as worried about the goals as all of the odd man rushes. This would be a problem in the playoffs. The players generally think offense first, which makes sense in Lavi’s scheme. But the scheme is a disaster if there are turnovers (which there have been a lot) and if the forwards don’t backcheck (also happening).
FYI, while we have some superstar passers in Giroux and to some extent Read, there also seem to be a lot of players who are not naturally good passers – Simmonds, jvr, Hartnell, among others, and also including some of the D-men. This is part of the problem I think in not being able to get the puck out of the zone.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Another issue, the Flyers dominated that first and second period. They should have scored more goals than they did.
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
I am not as worried about the goals as all of the odd man rushes. This would be a problem in the playoffs.
I would expand this to include poor team defense in general. There was a stretch of games awhile back – home against Pittsburgh, at Montreal being two of them – where the team defense was starting to solidify against attack but that’s slipped away.
Less jelly, more jam.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Jan 8, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
A representative...
of the only good kind of turnover.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
That’s why it’s representative. First picture I found.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Some sort of cream cheese/ semolina custard concoction would be even better.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
by doubleh on Jan 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Skinner, you can’t just leave us hanging like that? What website is this from? This looks as good as Erin Andrews through a peephole.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
Skinner? What?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I just google-searched.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Matt Read for Calder!
Jeff Skinner, at 6 years old, is the youngest player in the NHL.
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Bryz played great tonight.
But we have major, major goaltending issues. Someone disagreed with me last week that you couldn’t count on your goaltender to steal a game….ladies & gentleman…a few days later and after Lundqvst does the same in Classic…I introduce you to…Craig Anderson.
Without that performance, there is no 3rd period comeback opportunity. The Flyers don’t have that right now, Bryz or Bob…and when you pay what you paid for Bryz…you have to have it. Or playoffs will be about 6 games long. End of story.
This loss is on turnovers, but that may be the more fixable than the other problem.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
No one said that goalies CAN’T steal games. We just said that it doesn’t happen nearly as regularly as you think it does.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Scoring 4 goals should be enough to win you a hockey game.
A goalie/defense allowing fewer the 4 goals isn’t stealing a game.
I’m not sure I understand the logic that says Anderson stole this game but Bryzgalov did not steal yesterday’s gamne.
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The logic is that Bryzgalov makes more money than Anderson, therefore every goal against him is his fault.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I would also add on both nights Bryz made some great saves…but saves that he should be making. Anderson made unbelievable saves, e.g that stick on the ice save on Schenn. That’s the difference for me. Hope I’m not being unreasonable here, but I’m asking for ONE, just one game where I walk away saying, “We had absolutely no reason winning that game because of our goaltender”. I’ve said “We had no reason winning that game” many times this season, but based on team play & hustle (and our 4th line and rookies). It may not be an everyday thing but teams like Boston, Rangers, and now Ottawa, can say that once to twice every two weeks. I’ll start with one.
Btw, Tebow is not Jesus. I saw Jesus play tonight. His name is Couturier. We need to do everything possible to hold on to that boy for the long haul. Maturity way beyond his years.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
You are just setting up a narrative whereby if Bryzgalov does not do something of the near impossible he becomes a failure in your eyes. I understand not liking the Bryzgalov contract, I hate it more than anyone, but you can’t hold him to standards that are completely unreasonable, which you certainly appear to be doing. No one here is saying Bryzgalov is worth the money and the years he is being paid. He is not. No goalie in today’s NHL is.
Has Ilya Bryzgalov had a good year? No, he has not. Is this the first time Ilya Bryzgalov has had an extended slump? No, it is not. Has Ilya Bryzgalov come back from slumps to be on the whole at the very least an above average NHL goaltender? Absolutely, arguably top 10 maybe.
But here is my issue. On a night where Craig Anderson made a few good saves while letting in 4 goals with the Flyers committed numerous defensive errors on the other side of the puck, you are saying Craig Anderson stole this game. But last night, when to oversimplify things about, the only Flyers to show up were Danny Briere and Ilya Bryzgalov with Bryzgalov only letting in 2 goals, you are saying Bryzgalov did not steal that game. Obviously, what is a “stolen” game for a goaltender is purely subjective, but how you can look at today’s game and say it was “stolen” by Anderson and then go on to say that yesterday’s game was not “stolen” by Ilya Bryzgalov is complete and utter idiocy driven by a preconceived bias against Ilya Bryzgalov because he is overpaid and has gone through an extended slump to begin the season with pain-in-the-ass bullshit media narratives only serving as confirmation bias.
If you keep searching for this idealized beacon of goaltender greatness, then you will never be satisfied.
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No, I’m afraid its very, very simple. I want our goaltender, particularly at our G salary level make an unbelievable saves here and there. I saw none tonight, and very few all season. Watching Ottawa, Rangers, Canucks, and Bruins games in just the last few weeks I have seen over a dozen I have seen at least 10 from Quick in LA in that same time.
I will accept said saves from Bryz, Bob (who makes more), Leighton, or Hextall out of retirement. I watched the entire game last night as well. I saw great saves, I can’t recall any feeling spectacular.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
But here is my issue. On a night where Craig Anderson made a few good saves while letting in 4 goals with the Flyers committed numerous defensive errors on the other side of the puck, you are saying Craig Anderson stole this game. But last night, when to oversimplify things about, the only Flyers to show up were Danny Briere and Ilya Bryzgalov with Bryzgalov only letting in 2 goals, you are saying Bryzgalov did not steal that game. Obviously, what is a "stolen" game for a goaltender is purely subjective, but how you can look at today’s game and say it was "stolen" by Anderson and then go on to say that yesterday’s game was not "stolen" by Ilya Bryzgalov is complete and utter idiocy driven by a preconceived bias against Ilya Bryzgalov because he is overpaid and has gone through an extended slump to begin the season with pain-in-the-ass bullshit media narratives only serving as confirmation bias.
If you keep searching for this idealized beacon of goaltender greatness, then you will never be satisfied.
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So you are saying Lundqvist did not ‘steal’ the Winter Classic from us in a game we clearly should have won?
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
Please show me where I mentioned the words “Lundqvist” or “Winter Classic” in this thread.
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You asked for a firm definition of ‘stolen’. I provided it to you. It’s very straightforward.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
So all of a sudden Henrik Lundqvist in the 2012 Winter Classic is the performance that each and every single goaltending performance should be compared to to see if it is worthy of being deemed as a “stolen game” or not?
First of all, Henrik Lundqvist conceded two goals in that game. Secondly, results of penalty shots/shootouts are luck driven as opposed to skill driven. Thirdly, if you keep trying to compare to Bryzgalov to other goalies whom you have placed on too a high pedestal, then you will never get it right.
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a 2.00 gaa is a gaa that wins games..if your team cant score at least 3 per game either a) your the pheonix coyotes and under tippet you dont need to or b) you should really splurge on some fowards
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There’s a great post in the third period thread or possibly the recap about the shifts the top line had leading up to the third goal. It was something like 45 sec on ice, 35 off, 65 on ice, 40 off and then another 40some seconds on till the goal was scored. So if you think Henry stole it, I could say Lavy threw it away with that coaching.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 8, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Similar to tonight, the ‘stealing’ happened in 1st & 2nd periods. Without the mind-blowing saves, no comeback would have been possible regardless of Sloppy Lavy.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
See I have a problem with “mind-blowing saves” because as I said elsewhere tonight, that’s perception bias. To you, the Lundqvist save on the G breakaway in the WC was mind-blowing, while I think he got ass-lucky and it barely caught the butt end of his stick, otherwise, it’s a different game.
Last night, Bryz made a great pad save in the third (I think) which was a great save. But you say you saw the game and saw none. What makes all of these saves Lundqvist/Quick/whomever made so great? Is it the timing, the impossibility or what? No one will ever change your mind in any conversation if it’s already made up. What if Bryz goes out and wins his next 5 games, but has no “mid-blowing” saves? Is he good enough? The team plays good, scores 3 goals a game and he makes enough saves to keep winning, but lets in a couple of highlight reel goals, is that good enough?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 9, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
Geez, I actually somehow missed that.
That is certainly one way to lose a hockey game. Bravo, Lavi. Bravo.
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Yeah, don’t get why when you have the line up they have right now, with three or four solid lines, you insist on doing something like that. And I commented after reading that I had noticed it in the first period as well, because I distinctly remembered Jagr having two almost back to back shifts. Every once in a while I can see it, but that seems to lead you to believe he was doing it all game. I wonder if his tendency to “ride the hot hand” breaks down into period by period and shift by shift. He did make the comment about earning your ice time in the 24/7 soliloquy, wonder how far he takes that.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
If that’s the case, then he is definitely taking it too far. Bryzgalov thrice in four days? This Winter Classic debacle?
Yeah. I am thinking he really takes this much too far.
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Just because you seem to really be railing on that three-games-in-four-days thing and I was curious, here were Bryz’s numbers on the tail end of any three-games-in-four-days situations last year:
2 GA, .875, ND
2 GA, .956, W
3 GA, .917, OTL
3 GA, .925, OTL
4 GA, .818, L
5 GA, .762, L
0 GA (36 SA), 1.000, W
Fairly hit-or-miss, I guess. Today was a miss. It happens, I s’pose.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 9, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
It was Eric with the post
Incidentally, I think there’s a better explanation than "all of the forwards suddenly got really lazy".
The goal was scored 5:21 into the third period. Hartnell, Giroux, and JvR had played nearly half of that time (2:28). In succession, they had a 52-second shift, a 43-second rest, a 28-second shift, a 67-second rest, and were 65 seconds into this shift when the goal was scored.
I think they were just plain tired, and don’t see why the coach would ask that much of one line in a tie game on a team with four solid lines.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 9, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
But no, you are right, it is simple.
Quick makes unbelievable saves because you want them to be seen as “unbelievable.” Anderson made “unbelievable” saves because you them to be seen as “unbelievable.” Bryzgalov’s saves were not “unbelievable” because they were not the idealized versions of the saves Quick and Anderson made.
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by Justin F. on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great flick.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 9, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
HA! I knew you'd get this.
For me it’s an honest toss up between Top Secret! and Airplane! for the best spoof flick of the 80’s.
Loved Top Secret, but gotta go with Airplane—just too good.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 9, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Your prolly right
I think part of the reason is Airplane! memes get used alot so Top Secret! still has more of the allure of “yet to be fully discovered” to it.
As I recall...
We went on the same sort of stretch at the beginning of the year and then busted out 7 in a row. It’s a long season that will sort itself out.
I fixed the cable.
I think it’d go a long way towards fixing our defense to get rid of Lilja. He had some stupid penalties that we couldn’t afford, and he sucks.
But hey, it’s not all negatives, I got my first COTN. I’m feeling pretty proud! And there’s no 24/7 anymore, so I won’t have to rewatch this loss!! Positive abound!!
Wait, how long is Bryz’s contract worth?
It's in his wheelhouse!!
Carlos Ruiz, My Nickname is Chooch.
infinity and beyond…
by profoundnotions on Jan 8, 2012 10:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Note to the Flyers: Next time Pronger recommends that you sign a former teammate of his, don’t.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
He wanted them to sign O’Donnell and Lilja.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
While I’m all for rambling about how Lilja sucks, we gave up 6 goals tonight—all at even strength—and he was on the ice for exactly none of them, and neither of his penalties led to goals against.
If he actually had something to do with the loss, sure, vent away. But this wasn’t a horrible game for him—not nearly as bad as we’ve grown used to seeing over the past couple of weeks.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 8, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the 3rd period on DVR 8xx fast forward to avoid getting so angry that I would throw the TV out the window. Who was most turnover worthy in the 3rd? At the end of the 2nd I found myself thinking Bourdon & Lilja were actually playing decently well, and Meszaros looked like a team leader. I’m guessing that house of cards crumbled?
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It didn’t crumple, someone got a match and lit it on fire.
Bryz has low self esteem
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
by Philly37 on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
He’ll bounce back, but damn, not sure I remember a pair of back-to-back games this year where he was as invisible as he was in these two.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 8, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Can anyone explain the JVR injury to me in more detail? An injury that needs surgery for me, should keep someone one step below full speed or potential at all times. JVR tonight looked like the fastest and most maneuverable skater on the ice most of tonight.
Is the hip injury preventing acceleration, time on ice, other ? The last few games game me hope that we can have JVR of playoffs this season, when we need it…even with the injury.
Carter & Boucher traded for Cam Ward
I explained it on one of the threads from last week – I’ll see if I can find it for you.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 8, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
See, this is where perception basis comes in. I thought he had an ok game, you think he had a great skating game; on the other hand, twitter was ablaze with people who thought he sucked tonight. So who’s right? He was a monster yesterday, and definitely wasn’t as noticeable today so I think he was ok. So what plays today makes you think he was the fastest skater on the ice? And is it possible that he looked faster because the top line was playing against the best defenders so he had an easier time of it than G?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 8, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Was looking specifically at skating speed, and movement, not really focusing on playmaking.
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Well by that definition, I’d say Read or Simmonds was the better player.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Copy-pasting from one of the older threads
Cam impingement = femoroacetabular impingement where a lesion on the femur is making contact with the ‘socket’ of the hip joint hence causing pain and restricting motion.
So basically there’s a lesion on the ball in the ball-and-socket joint which makes contact with the labrum/outer edge of the socket when the ball is rotating in the socket. It causes pain on movement and can restrict range of movement.
Both adduction/abduction and internal/external rotation will produce pain. Painkillers and antiinflammatories will reduce pain, and it can be self-resolving if you take time off sport. Physiotherapy may help as well. For young adults it’s a good idea to head to surgery though. Arthroscopic surgery could have a 3-4 month recovery time.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Positives: I liked what I saw from Schenn and Couturier out there. Again.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 8, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions
Couturier, playing on the 4th line with the likes of Harry Zolnierczyk, has 12 points in 36 games. Carter, playing on the 1st line with the likes of Rick Nash, has 17 points in 30 games.
Oh and Voracek has 26 points in 40 games.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 8, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and Nick Cousins has 48 points in 39 games in the OHL (11th in the league…although you’ve got freaks like Yakupov who has 53 points in 26 games ahead of him).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 8, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
yakupov injured ..see my fan post
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Yep I did. No way Yakupov falls to us though.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 9, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
wasnt angelo espisto ranked like 5th and fell to like 24th?….i can hope
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Angelo Esposito has also never broken into the NHL. If Yakupov’s not going to make it to the NHL by the age of 23, then I wouldn’t want to pick him in the draft at all. But that’s not going to happen, Yakupov’s a stud and will be in the NHL next season (injuries allowing).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 9, 2012 2:01 AM EST up reply actions
they didnt know esposito wasnt gonna make the jump…shit just cause ur drafted high doesnt mean u make the jump all that well….like i said i could see a drop lower than cooters cause its an actual knee injury which is serious…especially with those knee viruses that turn into concusions floating around…i could see him dropping to the teens if not later if its serious enough for surgery
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Are you sure they didn’t know? There’s a reason he fell – his production in juniors had dropped significantly.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 9, 2012 2:58 AM EST up reply actions
well if they new then why draft him 1st round at all. all coots had was mono and it dropped him 8 spots…say this is an mcl or acl tear..i could see teams not wanting to take the chance on a player who could be great but gone in a few due to bad knees…thats happened b4 to the flyers didnt it?…….also its 3am here why are u still up, im an insomniac
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Did you see Carter got injured again tonight? My God, did Columbus eat a black cat or something at the beginning of this season?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 8, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Wow no I didn’t see that. I just read the box score and vaguely wondered how Columbus could score 4 goals and Carter score or assist on none of them. I also read some of the folks at Jackets Cannon criticizing Carter for being invisible in some of the games prior to tonight. That’s really unlucky then.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Jan 8, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
carter obviously wants out and hes playing the way some1 who wants out of town plays
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MICHAEL!
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He’s injuring himself so he’ll get traded?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
it seems like the best goalies are always stopping a shit ton of shots
is there a correlation? does bryz need to see more shots to be more in the flow or something…whats the average shots against for the top 10 goalies in the league right now?
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
Goalies and Teams SA per game (League Rank): Rask/Thomas 31.2 (T23), Elliott 26.6 (1), Lundqvist 29.9 (13), Harding 31.9 (T29), Quick 28.9 (8), Schneider 30.0 (14), Giguere 29.3 (9), Howard 27.3 (3), Enroth 31.5 (26).
Team averages over this sample size may or may not reflect that shots these particular goalies are seeing when they are in. Still, split is pretty even: four in the top ten shot-deterring teams in the league, two in the middle tier, four at the bottom. I’m not sure we can say there’s a correlation; you’d be better off going back to past years for that.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I took a quick look at the game logs this year for the top goaltenders in the league (by save percentage) and compared the number of shots and their sv%’s to those of Bryzgalov and Bobrovsky.
Lundqvist: 29GP, sv .939%, averages 30.931 shots per game.
Thomas: 26GP, sv .938%, averages 30.4615 shots per game.
Quick: 35GP, sv .934%, averages 28.8286 shots per game.
Bryzgalov: 29GP, sv .891%, averages 27.9259 shots per game.
Bobrovsky: 15GP, sv .914%, averages 27.0714 shots per game.
It’s not a huge correlation but Lundqvist and Thomas both face about 3 more shots per game than either Bryzgalov or Bobrovsky. Small sample size though.
I looked at this a couple weeks ago in Geoff’s post about Bryz, and while he performed better in games where he faced a lot of shots last season (I believe the split was .906 in games where he faced 30 or fewer shots, and .928 in games where he faced more than 30 shots), the split this year was even more insane—at the time, I believe he had a percentage of .934 in games where he had faced at least 30 shots, and .870 or so when he didn’t.
Obviously, since he’s faced >30 shots in each of these past three games and 11 goals have gone in, that .934 will have gone down a bit. But the split’s still there.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 9, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
That said, whether or not there’s actually something to the idea of playing better when you play more shots or whether it’s attributable to something else (i.e. score effects —> more shots —> easier shots —> higher save percentage) probably isn’t something we could determine easily, and would require a much closer look at this for a bunch of goalies.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Jan 9, 2012 2:02 AM EST up reply actions
thanks..i guess theres no correlation…just a dud season for bryz
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