Wednesday Morning Fly By: Of Course Last Night Was A 1-1 Game
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Recaps: [BSH] [Arctic Ice Hockey] [SBNation.com] [CSNPhilly] [Inquirer] [Daily News] [delcotimes.com] [Flyers Faithful] [The Checking Line East] [The Checking Line West]
- Jaromir Jagr battled a sore groin all last night: [Daily News]
- Jagr has one goal for the second half: Get Claude Giroux the Art Ross: [CSNPhilly]
- Danny Briere spoke about his concussion - an elbow from Anton Volchenkov - and how he's disappointed: [Frequent Flyers] [CSNPhilly]
- Great article on the Flyers captaincy, and how they should not make the same mistake with Giroux that they made with Mike Richards: [GCOBB.COM]
- The Flyers are slowing recovering from their injuries: [delcotimes.com]
- Solid comparison of Giroux and Evgeni Malkin, one that goes beyond points: [The Hockey Guys]
- Thorough breakdown of the Flyers needs and Paul Holmgren's previous approaches: [SB Nation Philly]
- Niko Hovinen stopped 15 of 16 shots in a 5-1 win: [euroflyers]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 24 of 27 shots, playing 47 minutes in a 4-1 loss: [euroflyers]
- Johan Backlund stopped 27 of 28 shots in a 2-1 OT win: [euroflyers]
- Jeff Carter is looking to get out of Columbus. Does that make teams hesitant to acquire him? [The Cannon] [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Want to see an indefensibly bad call? The Penguins bump their own goalie, who flops, and the Maple Leafs' goal gets disallowed: [Puck Daddy]
- The Islanders will play a preseason game in Brooklyn next year: [SBNation.com]
- Zach Parise is unlikely to be traded before the deadline: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Sidney Crosby spoke to the media yesterday: [SBNation.com] [Puck Daddy]
- Things that get you traded: Marek Zidlicky goes off on head coach Mike Yeo, then has closed door meeting with GM Chuck Fletcher. Hey, the Flyers can give your 3rd round pick back. Deal: [StarTribune.com]
- Quick look at who has the toughest and easiest schedule - according to opposition win percentage - remaining: [ESPN]
- Synchronized Mascots Tebowing? Synchronized Mascots Tebowing: [Puck Daddy]
- Great moments in All-Star Weekend history: [Down Goes Brown]
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According to Sam Carchidi of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Ed Snider had this to say about Giroux: ""I tell everybody that he reminds me of Bobby Clarke at a similar age… He looks like he did, acts like he did, played like he did. It’s kind of exciting."
Am I the only person getting tired of the Bobby Clarke comparison?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 1, 2012 6:09 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, jeez. We’d like you to be a Hall of Famer, kid. No pressure.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 1, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Not only that, but it makes me question if Ed Snider has seen Giroux and/or Clarke play.
Granted, I never saw Clarke play, but my understanding is that the two of them are nothing alike.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
Clarke was a tenacious highly competitive hard workers on the ice, played on the top unit for both PK and PP, both are centers and playmakers before shooters. The comparison is very valid. Especially in the looks department and they are almost the identical size around 5ft 10in 180lbs.
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But Clarke had an edge that Giroux doesn’t. Which is why the comparison to Richards made sense to me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
How do you measure “edge”?
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf"
By watching the games!
But really, by fights, post-whistle scrums, little slashes, big hits, etc.
I mean, Clarke took a two-handed slash to break a guy’s ankle. Richards delivered a blind-side, cross-ice hit that knocked Booth out cold. Giroux does neither of those things.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
He was a nasty F’r.
I think the difference comes from how the game has changed. No stars can play the way Clarke played with the way the game is officiated/disciplined.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf"
Well, certainly. Clarke was a pretty dirty guy. But Richards plays on that same edge, same with a guy like Lucic.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
G has a fire in him though. Last night he reverse crosschecked a guy, putting his stick beyond the guys head and pulling his arms back in towards him. It was interesting. I think he tried to crosscheck him when the player ducked he just pulled it back and decided to hit him in the back of the head.
That said, I agree that Clarke was a ball of hate and a much bigger physical presence. Also, I don’t think that Clarke had the moves that G does. I’ve only seen a handful of games on dvd and such but Clarke didn’t have the best dangles.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I mean, Briere does some nasty things too, but I wouldn’t compare him to Clarke based on his stick work.
Same with Giroux. More skill, less snarl.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Briere is a whole different thing, probably Napoleon Complex.
The only way I see it is that G is Awesome and Clarke is Awesome. If G stays here his entire career it might be those two names at the top of the list as far as the Orange and Black are concerned.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 1, 2012 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Right. I have no problem making that comparison. Nor in the “face of the Flyers” or “beloved by fans” comparison.
It’s the “played like he did” part that I take issue with.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I agree but Clarke reputation is deserved certainly doesn’t define him as a player he was much much more skilled that he is given credited for retrospectively. He won 2x Hart Trophies.
Richards comparison to Clarke was for the other reasons you mentioned the doing whatever it takes to win crossing the line to do so if need be. Which is also a fair comparison.
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Who is underappreciating Clarke’s skill? The skill comparison is there for Clarke, Richards, and Giroux. That’s similar. But we aren’t talking about talent – they’re all talented – we’re talking about the way they play.
And Giroux does not play like Clarke.*
*Again, no personal observation of Clarke, only anecdotes.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
The popular anecdotes don’t do Clarke justice Clarke is a two way amazing play maker puck possession player similar to Giroux if you look at just that one component of Clarke on the ice with the puck they are very similar. Without the puck is different.
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I was wondering the same.
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He’s roughly my age I think, and I only really remember Clarke because I have a bunch of old Flyers games on DVD. And I wouldn’t use those samplings to say I know for sure what kind of player he is; at least tot he degree Lanci is wording his statements. I mean I think I have an idea, and enough to make relatively informed statements, but ones that would include the qualifier on my actually point of reference.
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*Again, no personal observation of Clarke, only anecdotes.
I completely do not get the Clarke vs. Giroux comparison. Unless you believe that Richards and Giroux have the same game. Richards was/is a much closer comparison, except that Richards does not have the skill set Clarke had (no knock on Richards, there is a reason Clarke was a first ballot HOFer). If you must know, Giroux reminds me of some of the Montreal players of the 1970s.
*Having watched hundreds of Clarke’s games. Ok, I said it. But wait, didn’t Carchidi watch Clarke, too??!?!?
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I got a chance to watch Clarke play in person a fair amount in his last four seasons and on TV before that.
Giroux is a better stickhandler. Clarke was the best passer of his era. I’ve read more than one person say he was the best passer ever before Gretzky. Giroux is a more elegant skater.
Giroux’s edge has playfulness to it; Clarke had no sense of humor. Clarke whined to the refs all the time. Giroux has shown a more feisty side to his competitiveness this year, but Clarke was really dirty. Here’s a way to compare eras constructively: If you asked which guy was going to break Kharlamov’s ankle in ‘72 it would be Clarke. On today’s Team Canada it would not be Giroux.
I barely remember the first Cup, but from everything I’ve read by 24 Clarke was so clearly the leader of the team, as well as the league’s best forward. Ashbee had a lot of respect in the locker room, I think Van Impe as well, but Clarke was the guy.
So, some parallels but I think Snider is overstating it.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Clarke was the best passer of his era.
Yes. Good point. I’d forgotten this.
One thing some of you younguns might not know is that Clarke essentially invented the wraparound. Totally freaked the first few goalies.
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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
So that captaincy article is at GCOBB. Can I trust it or were the sarcasm quotes left out to sucker us in?
Haha. I was a guinea pig for you, jreed. I thought it was fine.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 1, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t often link there, but this one was definitely worth reading.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
i just find it amazing the refs get out of the building in one piece let alone saty on the ice the rest of the game after a call like that. if this were soccer rocks bottles pieces of the stadium would be pelted at the ref for a call of equal shitty ness. when is there gonna be some kind of review for calls that are so completely rediculous yet the ref is too proud to make a mistake. bring back glass bottles at games, that should help alittle.
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admit they made a mistake*
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
I don’t think it’s about being “too proud.” Sports officials are paid a lot of money and the expectation is that they will be something they’re not – perfect. That said, if you have officials come out and admit a mistake every time they do, you lose the integrity of the game. You would then claim sports officials make way too many mistakes when in reality they’re just admitting them now. It’s a catch-22.
yes but on that pittsburg call that just un forgivable…in the very least their needs to be challanges to be reviewed
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You will die, you will pay taxes, Shittsburgh will get the calls…
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by 92-74-99-96 on Feb 2, 2012 5:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, they get out of there in one piece because they were in Pittsburgh. It definitely seems like Fleury always gets those GI calls every time he hits the ice. It’s probably comparable to NFL QBs complaining about some getting more generous roughing the passer calls than others.
However, this kind of thing seems like its been happening league wide, for/against every team this season. Definitely something that the refs need to focus on in the offseason
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 1, 2012 8:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I try to never wish harm on anyone, but I’m gonna laugh when Fleury DiPietro’s himself on one of these flops.
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I have to agree with the end of that article, saying that it’s probably the worst call in hockey ever. And it’s totally fitting that Pittsburgh gets the beneficial end of it.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Regarding the call, the referee can’t be looking everywhere at once. He saw two players coming together near the crease. I assume that he thought Lupul pushed/bumped the Pen into Fleury – not that Lupul made direct contact with Fleury himself. That said, I’ve seen worse diving in the Olympics..
well thats a problem because if your calling a game you shouldnt assume it happened you should have to see it happening….what would have happened if we just assumed russia launched missiles at us during the cold war
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also can we give giroux a break and let him face some crap opponents for a little so he can find his scoring touch
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Yeah, we got an easy stretch coming up. And by easy, I mean Nashville/NJ/NYR
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 1, 2012 8:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carter an 3.5? Any 1 who wouldn’t is an idiot
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by reaper1221 on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would as well. But I feel bad for Columbus, they get the bad end of the trade, and their management is looking to trade that piece before he’s even been there for a year and will probably get a lot less. I am glad those fans went to protest.
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by Lindbergh 31 on Feb 1, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Off-Topic
Shaun how long were you waiting for an opportunity to reference Jek Porkins as you did for the 3rd period thread last night? Brilliant.
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There was a big StarWars discussion so when I was making the thread I googled Flyers Star Wars for the image. It was either Jek Porkins or Danny Briere with a horribly photoshoped glowing lightsaber stick. You cannot go wrong with Jek Porkins. … well unless you’re his R2 unit.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 1, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
From Lebrun:
One name to keep an eye on is veteran blueliner Hal Gill in Montreal. He’s slated to be an unrestricted free agent July 1, and, from what I was told Tuesday, the Flyers covet his experience — he’s won a Cup — as well as his shot-blocking and penalty-killing abilities. The Habs aren’t ready to pull the plug on their season just yet, but if and when they do, expect the Flyers to inquire about him.
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Yeah, I’ve never been a fan of Gill’s.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
He can block shots.. because he’s big. He’s like Pronger except a much worse skater and without offensive skill. I affectionately refer to him as the human pylon.
Yeah, there’s no comparison between Gill and Pronger other than mass.
Gill is a third-pairing defender who gets beat in possession metrics. If he cost less than $1 million, I’d say why not. But he doesn’t, and the Flyers have Lilja who’s only marginally worse.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
so gill is darian hatcher minus the jelly knees?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 1, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Worse.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
The USS Hal Gill is slower than Darian Hatcher… Though, possibly faster than post-jelly knees Darian Hatcher… It would be a close race (that would finish just before the sun explodes)
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I remember joking that Hatcher could only beat a traffic cone down the ice if he tripped it. Gill’s no quicker.
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by The Dark on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
gotcha covered
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This.
I would prefer Shane Victorino on defense.
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Shane at least would be entertaining. Gill would just be frustrating.
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Sent you an e-mail about a possible trade.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 1, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I saw, I’ll mull it over a little later and get back to you.
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Interesting.
Where are all the folks who claimed the Carter trade had nothing to do with matters off the ice? I wonder if they’ll be as loud and obnoxious now that they’ve been proven wrong.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 9:04 AM EST reply actions
Hi. I’m right here.
And you’re really going to compare his off ice demeanor in Columbus – a place he didn’t want to be – to prove that he had the same attitude in Philly, where he voluntarily signed an 11-year contract with a NTC to play with his best friend?
How are you making the connection that his attitude today is the same as it was one year ago?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions
Because it is?
There’s been less whining from Wade-Freaking-Redden. Or do you want to overlook that, and pretend all hockey players are whiny primadonnas?
One of the problems many folks had with Richards and Carter, myself included, was that when things were looking down for the team in a game, when the chips were down, those two would seem to throw a passive aggressive fit. This of course, was handwaved away by folks who’d rather punch Corsi into a calculator then believe things like “attitude” and “drive” exist. They’d always put the proof of burden on detractors, as if the observed problems were completely made up.
Well, there’s proof Carter’s got a shit attitude now, and guess what? It’s when the chips are down.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
If attitude and drive exist like you claim, then we should be able to see em on stats aswell. Guess what, Carter was a really really good goal score and forward in both ends.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 1, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Regardless, I think there’s a huge shift in mentality when playing for a Cup contender like Philly, thinking you’ve signed a lifetime deal, and then you get traded to the laughingstock of the NHL, in a mid-major city (certainly one with almost apathetic interest in their team, save for the few BJ’s loyalists that certainly do exist).
Sure, the maturity may not be all there, but he did get a raw deal by Philly. Regardless of mood swings, his heart was still in Philly, and I doubt he was traded away for attitude reasons. When it comes down to it, no one is going to trade away a potential 40 goal scorer because his focus arguably wavers from time to time.
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I refuse to play into the “he got a raw deal” thing when in reality he’s getting $58 million dollars to play a kids game. Regardless, I take Voracek/Cooter over Carter every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Honest question:
Why does his salary prevent you from ever saying “he got a raw deal”? He signed an 11 year contract with a NTC to play in Philly, was repeatedly told he wasn’t being traded, and then got traded to Columbus.
Why does his salary preclude you from saying “that sucks for Carter”?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone who gets traded to Columbus got a raw deal. Period.
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185 mi 
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Columbus 
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its summer self 
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If you build it, they won’t 
come, the Voice taunts 
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to Columbus 
due east 
185 mi 
185 mi 
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Columbus 
eyes will see 
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a team long deemed 
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If you build it, they won’t 
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Every season, a field 
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to Columbus 
due east 
185 mi 
Because that’s what you sign up for when you play professional sports. Every player knows that they can be traded. It’s part of the deal. And Carter still had time before his NTC kicked in. Yes it is Columbus but a lot of peoples intial reactions after the Carter trade was wow, Columbus could actually be good this year with a secondary center to go along with Nash. Things haven’t turned out that way but it appeared that Columbus was finally ready to start trying to win with the trade. So no, I don’t feel bad for a guy making millions of dollars just because he can’t play with his buddy in Philly anymore.
There’s a difference between “not feeling bad” and refusing to accept that a professional athlete can “get a raw deal” simply because he makes a lot of money.
And to think us “stat nerds” are derided for ignoring the human element.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Ok, lets say he did get a raw deal. Is that an excuse for him to still be sulking about it? He’s a professional athlete, this is his job, he should start acting like it. His agents line of “he’s tried to give his best effort while in Columbus” is total BS.
No, it’s not an excuse for the way he’s acting. But it’s an explanation. He should still suck it up, but to sit here and say he has didn’t get a raw deal because he’s paid millions of dollars is ridiculous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
This is where I disagree. A person doing his job well should feel free to act however he pleases.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
If it’s causing problems – as it clearly is in Columbus – I have a problem.
But there are different degrees here. Do I care that Zherdev used a car service instead of bumming a ride from a teammate? No. Do I care if Andrej Meszaros sits in a corner and doesn’t talk to anyone in the locker room? No.
Do I care if Jeff Carter is moping? No. But if his teammates/management are saying he’s a disruption, I think he should knock that off. You can be unhappy and not cause problems.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I have no idea whether the rumors are true or the story from Carter’s camp is true, but can you really say he is doing his job well?
Sure, he’s “injured”, but that seems to be where all this stems from. Is he injured, or is he “injured”?
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From on-ice performance, he seems to be doing his job fairly well, especially when he’s been nagged with injuries. I haven’t watched CBJ enough to comment, I guess (and I really don’t feel like looking up the numbers on him).
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Sure, he’s "injured", but that seems to be where all this stems from. Is he injured, or is he "injured"?
Exactly. Plus, it’s fair to say he’s having a bad on-ice season.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
The guy is entitled to have feelings. Regardless of the millions he’s making, at some point, the dollar amount only means so much compared to where you’re going to cash that paycheck.
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by Vinny A on Feb 1, 2012 10:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
id play in columbus for 50 mil..sign me up
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But you also don’t have the ability to be paid $50mil anywhere else (and I’m guessing for anything else either), so what you’d be willing to do isn’t quite applicable. I’m guessing you’d probably let me through dog shit at your face repeatedly in Ohio for $50Mil.
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You might let me throw it as well.
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if there were an abundance of college campuses im betting he would be content
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Or as hot, as hard as that is to fathom.
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is it possible that Richards is calling him and telling him about all the tail he’s getting and sending him pics of the ladies. Carter then says that the girls there aren’t a close comparison?
He’s getting tail, but he’s not getting A-list Hollywood tail. Hockey players in LA are probably somewhere ranked between LA Galaxy players and the guy who does all the insurance commercials. They get B-listers like Hillary Duff. And Carrie Underwood. She’s pointy.
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you’d kick her out of bed?
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Yes, mostly because I’m female and I don’t go that way…but she doesn’t do it for me. If I were a dude.
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christina hendricks?
/last nights thread’d
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She’s better than pointy girl. I like Marion Cotillard. She’s my female crush. Plus, the French accent. I like a good accent.
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I do like your taste.
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FYI, the movie Nine wasn’t great, but she sings and takes her clothes off.
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This I did not know.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 2, 2012 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
so, the trade he’s asking for is to LA. not just to play with his old boyfriend but to get the A-list ladies. who would LA give up to get him?
The entire cast of the Real Housewives of Orange County?
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by doubleh on Feb 1, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The high school from Glee is just down the road from Columbus.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
There’s been less whining from Wade-Freaking-Redden. Or do you want to overlook that, and pretend all hockey players are whiny primadonnas?
And how does any of that mean that he was a problem in Philadelphia?
when things were looking down for the team in a game, when the chips were down, those two would seem to throw a passive aggressive fit.
That’s what you perceived. That’s not what I perceived. So this just looks like confirmation bias to me.
This of course, was handwaved away by folks who’d rather punch Corsi into a calculator then believe things like "attitude" and "drive" exist.
Nice attempt to divert the conversation. Attitude and drive exist. But when you’re trying to say that a guy who worked his way up from pee wees to the NHL, a guy who made the Canadian national team and a guy who Captained the Canadian national team, how are you going to sit here and say you know better what his attitude and drive are than the guys who picked him to Captain Team Canada?
You Corsi detractors love to say “watch the game”, “trust the players”, but yet you dismiss the fact that these guys were picked as leaders of the teams they were on because they were role models for the rest of the team. Because you saw, from your couch, what kind of attitude they had in the locker room.
Well, there’s proof Carter’s got a shit attitude now, and guess what? It’s when the chips are down.
The chips are down? He’s playing in Columbus. There are no chips, since they folded their hand. When the chips were down, Carter played on a broken foot in the Eastern Conference Finals.
But I guess a regular season game on the worst team in the league is really when the chips are down. My fault. I thought playing for the Stanley Cup was more important.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
When the chips were down, Carter played on a broken foot in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Clearly he was doing that as part of a passive-aggressive fit.
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Joking about passive aggressiveness in a passive aggressive manner. My mind is blown.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, how about that. I didn’t even realize what I was doing. :-p
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by hintzy64 on Feb 1, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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The chips are down? He’s playing in Columbus. There are no chips…
That gave me the day’s first laugh.
Though apparently there are (bottom right)
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think you take it far enough:
Jeff Carter is a terrible human being.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
youve met them?!
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sooo the burgeoning question……………..how big is his…ego
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Funniest Drew Carey bit I ever saw was his lone dick joke:
“My dick’s so big it’s got its own dick and even my dick’s dick is bigger than your dick”
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One of the problems many folks had with Richards and Carter, myself included, was that when things were looking down for the team in a game, when the chips were down, those two would seem to throw a passive aggressive fit.
Bullshit. I can think of several instances where the team had given up and Richards was still fighting. Sorry I don’t have any youtube clips for you, my memory isn’t that good to help me go find them. I wish I did have some evidence, because I completely disagree with you on this.
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Easy: Game 4, 2011 Eastern Conference Semifinals, Flyers have an empty net, Richards dives face first to block a shot while his teammates glide.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I agree in the defense of Richards but Carter, I’m gonna need to see some youtube clips of him giving a shit.
by youtastelikeaburger on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Playing on a broken foot isn’t enough?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, and while I look for those, you can find some clips of him not giving a shit. We’ll race.
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If amounts of youtube videos are your quantifier for reality, then I fear for your mental stability.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Haha nice, its quite ironic that everyone is suddenly defending Carter. The atmosphere was quite different 12 months ago.
by youtastelikeaburger on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Um, most of us were never happy to see him go.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Not really; the same people who are ripping him name were ripping him then, and the same people that opposed their line of thinking are the same people “defending Carter” now.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
No, I defended him then and I’m defending him now. I’ll admit there was once a time (2010 off-season) when I thought he was a square peg in a round hole and might do better elsewhere because he didn’t fit the needs we had in our roster. But I still thought he was a good player, wanted to keep him, and didn’t buy into the “locker room attitude” stuff.
Any difference in atmosphere I see is the bunch of new commenters that show up around the playoffs every year. Many of them were Carter haters, so they celebrated when he was traded and then were never heard from again on the site. But from what I see, the regulars around here have pretty much held the same opinion as 12 months ago.
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Ha! I’m here once a day at least, every day. And I have stated from the start we should have traded Carter. If only we had traded him prior to the previous trade deadline…..
Most likely a Stanley Cup that year…
But the deal we got for him this year is better than I expected. Cooter is going to be a star. Voracek will be a top six forward.
Cooter….19 Points.
Voracek….28 Points.
Carter… 17 Points.
I think we did ok replacing him.
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dinkleman?
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“Dink” is a nickname I’ve been carrying around since college hockey. Coined by my best friend, who was the goalie on my team. Overtime game.. he makes a great kick save on a double deflection in front that kicks all the way out to me on the left circle.. I chip it past a pinching defenseman and I’m off to the races….
Single deke, heel/toe, fake the backhand and pull the puck forehand for the top shelf…. goalie is flopping like a flounder and sliding out to my right…
You guessed it. DINK! I don’t think I’ve hit the post as hard as that since. Next rush up the ice, they score on a partial break.
Best friend skates over…“Way to F’n go, Dink.” Still have it, almost a decade later.
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how many times have you explained that?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 1, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Right, I counted you as one of the regulars, not the one-and-done crowd.
I should have specified that the regulars have held the same opinion, whether that was for or against Carter. :-p
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I realized that by adding Richards, it’d weaken my argument, but the point still stands that folks felt that he didn’t give his all on many occassions.
Not being able to find a highlight of a player doing nothing aggressively shouldn’t be that surprising.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
folks felt that he didn’t give his all on many occassions.
So? You can say the same about Briere. And Hartnell. And van Riemsdyk. And Pronger. And everyone.
What those people ignore is the many occassions he was the only player giving it their all. This Bobby Abreu Syndrome is ridiculous. Philly hated Mike Schmidt. Philly hated Donovan McNabb. I put no weight whatsoever on what the masses think about great players’ attitudes.
They are great players, regardless of how some fans would rather have David Eckstein clones.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Personally I never hated Carter and think he is still a great player. But his streakiness was frustrating as all hell and certainly never won me over completely.
by youtastelikeaburger on Feb 1, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Everybody is streaky. Look at Claude Giroux each of the past two seasons.
If that’s not enough for you:
This chart is a random simulation of a hypothetical 35-goal scorer, who averages 3 shots a game and shoots 14.5% night in and night out– Mr. Super Consistency– using a 10-game moving average to smooth out the curves. Look at how streaky he appears, yet his shooting percentage (14.5%) and shots per game (3) never deviated on any given night.
Imagine how “streaky” a 0.145 hitter will look in baseball. Some nights he’ll get 1 hit, some nights 2, but most often 0. It’s the same thing in hockey. Except 0.145 in hockey is good and not terrible.
It’s amazing how streakiness is a bad thing when you don’t like the player to begin with, but how often it is ignored when you are predisposed to like the player.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Considering I owned a Carter jersey, I will go ahead and just ignore the second half of your comment on a personal level.
Thank you for the statistical enlightenment though. Also thank you for being a dick.
by youtastelikeaburger on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting that you owned a jersey of a guy who never completely won you over and who frustrated the hell out of you.
But you’re welcome for explaining how a 14.5% shooter who takes 3 shots a game will appear streaky even though he isn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Also thank you for being a dick.
Which made me think of the theme to Golden Girls. Which begs the question, which GG would Geoff be if he was a Golden Girl?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So you get that reference. Interesting.
Also, good choice.
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I just see him getting mad at himself and shooting high and wide.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
were*
Semantics.
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I thought about saying that, but got caught in the “they are no longer players, but they are still great” paradox.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Point taken, and I completely agree with your argument, by the by.
Sometimes one just can’t avoid low-hanging fruit.
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haha, no problem. I’m easy to do that to, especially since I do it to others often.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Could I say the same about them? I guess. But I wouldnt.
Briere and JVR, Definitely. I like JVR alot more then Danny-boy, but both of them seem to dissappear for large chunks of time. Harty and Pronger I never felt that way about, unless you want to count Pronger’s repeated injuries as disappearing. Hartsy, for whatever reason, I gave a pass to. And then he’d break out a pair of hat tricks one month and blow you away.
Carter was supposed to be our scoring star, and outside of one very good season where he finished 2nd in goals IIRC, never really seemed to achieve that superstar status.
Maybe it’s nothing but perception, but perception is a big factor. Ovechkin dangling his ass to get into the o-zone and then getting poke checked out is the same net result as Carter shooting high and wide, I suppose, but Ovie is fun to watch, even when it doesn’t pan out. Carter shoots high and wide, and I sigh and take another drink.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Right, so you simply don’t like Carter. You can come up with all the reasons why you don’t, and that’s fine.
But you don’t like Carter for the same reasons people didn’t like Mike Schmidt, Bobby Abreu, Donovan McNabb, and many others. I will continue to hate how this town views it’s star players.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW I hate Carter from a perception POV as well; I think it’s the hair and the way he uses his frame (it’s effective but subtle; I always wished it was less subtle). Yet, when it comes down to it, I manage to not let those things get in the way of recognizing what he brought on the ice. From casual fan POV I could care less about losing Carter as it didn’t impact me emotionally, however from a what he can do on the ice POV, I was saddened (especially because I didn’t expect Couturier to be there at 8).
Maybe he is lazy and not quite the player he could be, but he put the puck on the net a ton, and he also moved the player forward against strong competition (and also produced at a ~30 goal rate), and I don’t take that for granted.
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I’m sure I’d hate Carter the person – any guy in his mid-20s who bleaches his hair is probably someone I would hate – but I separate the player from the person. And I especially don’t evalute a guy based on my personal opinion of his personality.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I just find it interesting that people won’t separate perception from what certain things are telling them; you’re just a stat nerd. Also, it’s more than his hair, his game just makes him look lazy, and it’s frustrating…but I was willing to look at other things that didn’t have bias like I do, and see what they had to say.
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Eh… Thats one way to put it. Another is “If there isn’t a stat for it, nerds won’t believe it.”
Example. A botched pass sails past Carter’s stick by a few feet. You know he can stretch out and nab it, he’s only 10 seconds into his shift, but he doesn’t. Since there’s no stat for it, Either A) It didn’t happen, or B) “You can’t possibly know why he didn’t make an effort.”
All attempts will be made to negate the fact that an honest observation by the average Joe is dead on.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The problems with that are:
a) You didn’t see that play happen with an open mind about Carter, so you are more likely to remember when this happens to Carter than to, say, Giroux;
b) You aren’t tracking this, so you have no way of accurately stating how often this happened. The rest of us have to believe you when you say it happened “all the time”;
c) There’s no way of knowing whether he could stretch out and nab it, only that you think he could have;
d) There’s no comparison to how often he does stretch out and nab it, only the times he doesn’t;
e) Humans’ memories are horrible.
Take out the confirmation bias (“Carter is lazy, oh hey look! Another lazy play”), the lack of recording (“Happens all the time!”), the abject certainly on something you cannot know for sure (“You KNOW he can”), the ignoring of the opposite, and your memory, and I’ll start believing personal observations.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure that’s a fair argument. I hate Pittsburgh, but I feel like I can tell the difference between Crosby scoring a good goal, and him being fed a practically open net.
I’m also not sure belief should be something so infrequently given out. If you say Datsyuk had a good game last night, I don’t need to ask for a citation. I just believe it. If I disagree, we could discuss specific plays for and against. None of this requires tracking.
The same goes for Carter not stretching out. The fact that it can’t be quantified shouldn’t preclude the fact that it exists. I’m honestly not sure why you insist on that.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like I can tell the difference between Crosby scoring a good goal, and him being fed a practically open net.
And that isn’t about whether he made an extra effort, that’s something that is obvious and has every instance available for video review. Whether he stretched out or not is a matter of opinion, on a play that is not captured every time.
I’m also not sure belief should be something so infrequently given out
Again, this isn’t about believing. This is about disagreeing and being able to defend. In your example, if I say Datsyuk had a good game last night, and you say he didn’t, can you point to the specific instances for why?
Can you then remember why you think that a week from now? A year from now? Something like a blown assignment is easy to remember. Something like a stick-check to prevent entry into the zone is not. Further, something as subtle as receiving a pass or not, why should I believe you on something that subtle, from someone who is looking for his failures?
The fact that it can’t be quantified shouldn’t preclude the fact that it exists. I’m honestly not sure why you insist on that.
I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. I’m saying a) there’s no way of knowing whether what you see is true or not, or exaggerated or not; b) it can be quantified, but you aren’t quantifying it; c) you aren’t quantifying the times he stretches out and makes a pass.
In essence, you have something quantifiable (passes connected), but you aren’t quantifying it, you aren’t counting the positives, and you have no way of validating (i.e. video or objective representation) it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Okie dokey. I’ll have to just keep better track of these things I guess.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
To clarify on the believing part:
I’m specifically referring to disagreements. I say Carter was a good player, you say he wasn’t. I’m not going to change my opinion based on my belief that you are right.
However, if I say Boucher is a good goalie and you say he had a bad game last night, my initial reaction is to believe you. I’ll still go watch the highlights on NHL.com and form my own opinion, with the bias that he was bad.
On something like “Carter was lazy and wouldn’t stretch out to collect a pass”, I’m not inclined to believe you and I have no way of verifying that account on my own.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
i can see it now for geoff
little matilda detweiler – “daddyyy! that boy tried to punch me!”
Geoff – “well how fast was he punching, how many hits, what position was he in, did he leave a mark?” “if you dont calculate all this information you’re just thinking he tried to hit you. maybe he sneezed and had a spasm, YOU DONT KNOW NOW GET BACK ON THE SWING AND QUIT CRYING!!!!!!!”
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More like:
“Nice evasive maneurs, sweetie.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
why would you let ur child play in maneur!?
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yeah that last part was a flashback my bad
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All 5 of those are excellent observations.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Two more options
C) if it happened enough to be meaningful in his overall game it would have been reflect in that Corsi Calculator you referenced.
D) I watch the games too, my observations of what passes could be legitimately accepted is probably different than yours
I also don’t how like you frame this as a us against them type of thing. Approaching it from that angle makes you seem childish, so don’t be a baby about it. I know you, I like you, you’re a nice guy so please try to avoid going down that path.
This isn’t about stats versus eyes; it’s about me looking at all available data I have and making my own conclusions, and being amazed other people have no interest in doing that some times. I think Carter might be able to be even better than he is, but he is also pretty damn good hockey player; and frankly I’d take a team of lazy Carters over a team of hustle Lapp’s every day; even though I personally enjoy a Lappy type player more than a Carter type player.
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C : Would it? I freely admit that my memory gets fuzzy when what Corsi tracks, but if he never touched the puck, but was merely on ice during a likely turnover, that’d have an effect? With less weight then him actively turning the puck over himself?
D: Probably. You’re also a much better player then I am, so you’ve got firsthand evidence, against my street hockey experience.
I think the Us vs Them thing spawns from folks taking the fun out of hockey talk, at least, to me. It feels like if you can’t prove something with either a corsi, or a youtube video, then it didn’t happen.
In my personal life, I’ve got four folks who watch hockey, and only one of them watches the Flyers. It’s why I come here to talk shop. It’s fun, until someone tells me my opinion is invalid because it can’t be quantified.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
C) Yes, he won’t get a chance to register any shot (Corsi is +/- for shots on net, shots that miss the net, and shots that get blocked) whil also giving the other team an additional chance to take the puck the other way and get a shot attempt against. I doubt it would effect it much unless it was literally part of his game.
D) That’s the thing that drives me nuts. People tell me to use my eyes; trust me, I’m far more argumentative and douchey when I use my eyes to watch a game than I am with numbers.
I just hate stat nerds versus guys watching the game because of the implication. I also don’t like pitting them against each other online because giving each other shit is a lot harder through a computer than face to face…it often just devolves in to a complete time suck and animosity here.
I think your opinion of him is fine, you’re allowed to not like him or his game. I think it’s the proof thing that takes us down in to the, wait a second, what’s this guys saying path. I’m fine with people that hate Carter, I play with a lot of guys that hate him. I also agree with a lot of their perceptions; I just go farther than them looking at it and they say they have no interest in that because they just don’t like him…I’m okay with that. Some people have strong opinions of a player, those opinions have no requirement to be based on stats.This particular scenario started a bit differently, so it went a bit differently.
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Got it, thanks.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
It’s fun, until someone tells me my opinion is invalid because it can’t be quantified.
As a fan of non-stat narratives, I get that. But asking for some evidence does solve the problem of having two or more commenters quickly build up into a screaming match about who is better and who sucks. The call for proof is one of the reasons this place doesn’t read like most of the other sports comment blogs out there.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
A botched pass sails past Carter’s stick by a few feet. You know he can stretch out and nab it, he’s only 10 seconds into his shift, but he doesn’t.
This happens to every player at some point, you just choose to remember it for Carter because you already don’t like him. Confirmation bias. I felt the same way about Carle a couple years ago with holding the puck in at the offensive blue line. But then I realized all the D men do it, I was only focusing on when it was him.
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His game does make him look lazy, but that’s the reason I bring up Abreu, Schmidt, and McNabb.
This town would rather have a guy who hustles than a guy who is so good he doesn’t need to.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why is that a bad thing? We’re paying for entertainment, not results.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Because this town, who claims to want to win more than anything, hates better players simply because they look lazy. Rather than take the guy who will help you win more games, they’ll take the guy who appears to want it more.
Then complain that their team wasn’t good enough/didn’t want it enough when this team inevitably loses.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair Geoff, I would say here you are arguing about the vocal minority, and not the majority of fans.
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And that’s a reasonable critique.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
And I would much rather watch any of the McNabb years than pretty much any of the pre-McNabb years in the 90s.
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The results are part of my entertainment personally. I’ll watch the team regardless, but I will be less willing to buy tickets if they are the worse team in the league (hockey is the one exception I make)
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And maybe thats why Allen Iverson is probably the only elite athlete this town his ever seen to not really ever boo.
The guy was an all time HOF talent, but he hustled and put his health on the line ever night it seemed. Yeah his attitude was questionable to say the least, but he gave his all. Probably the only reason fans never really got on him for not winning it all.
I agree.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Dawkins? He was pretty good and universally loved.
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Hustled? Gave his all? He didn’t go to practice!
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Neither do Geoff or Travis, cuz practice is stupid!
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
And now neither of us are in the area, so shucks.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
not a game…no not a game…just practice
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I thought Travis was at the game last night.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think he was, but even if so, he moved today.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he had moved already; I was in AC over the weekend and didn’t think to give him the heads up. Whoops.
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I thought he had too. When I saw him tweet that he had to google directions for assembling a lamp (which is ridiculous), I assumed he was assembling it in DC. He wasn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
college education doesnt mean common sense
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I don’t know where I got that idea, I’m sure you know better than I do.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
We takin’ ’bout practice?
Bob.
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/should’ve read the thread’d
Bob.
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zherdev vs harry Z
end of story
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Yup, not perfect (I wouldn’t want Zherdev on my fourth line/ Philly doesn’t want Harry Z on the second), but good.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
His favorite artist was/is Kid Rock, too.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
That’s pretty bad.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I’m the J-O-E to the C, hoe
Call me Joe C; got more game than Coleco
I’m a freak, hoe, call me sick
Three foot nine with a ten foot…
How can you not like that?
I’m disturbed at how much I remembered before Googling to double-check.
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Unfortunately Joe C was better than Kid Rock too.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
True, I never liked his hair and probably wouldn’t enjoy hanging out with him, while I think someone like Hartnell would be a lot of fun. But who gives a shit about that when he’s on the ice? Apparently some people do, but I’m not one of them.
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Guess i’m not old enough but why did everyone hate Schmidt? Donovan is relatively understandable imo, and I dont wanna get into a Donovan argument with you.
And here is what I will say about Carter. I was always critical of him offensively because he took an insane number of shots and his shooting percentage always seemed pretty bad and frankly if he didnt take so many shots, he wouldnt be a perennial 30 goal scorer. I remember frequently getting frustrated how he would skate down the side an just rip a shot right into the goalies chest when he could have dumped it in or should have even chosen a better shot location and been able to get a rebound.
With that said, no, I never once hated Carter. He was a hell of a player because of his skating ability and defensive responsibility. Of course I was critical, because I think he could have been better if say he appeared to work on his shot selection in practice. And maybe someday he will be among the NHL elite. At the end of the day, he was a 30 goal scorer who played both ends of the ice. Cant really hate the guy.
Schmidt was perceived of being too laid back, not putting forth sufficient effort and coming up small in the clutch (and striking out way too much). He was sort of ahead of his time but one fricken hell of a player. I always loved him and didn’t understand the boos.
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I remember Schmidt playing but was probably too young to know much about the perception of him, but since have gathered that it was similar to the McNabb Syndrome, too, wasn’t it?
He would just sorta say the “wrong” thing that would set off the fans. Not necessarily untrue things, just things that people didn’t want to hear.
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The thrill of victory and the agony of reading about it the next day.
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Yup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Dont wanna open up a can of worms but I dont see how anyone can compare Mcnabb a very good qb in his time to arguably the best 3rd basemen of all time. I never felt Mcnabb deserved all the hate, but come on now. He certainly deserved more than Schmidt.
And that’s also fair. Schmidt is the best 3rd baseman of his time while McNabb was only very good in his.
But I also think McNabb got more hate than Schmidt did, making the hate-to-talent ratio fairly equal.
I’m sorry if I implied McNabb was as good as Schmidt, I only meant to imply that both were irrationally hated.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Geoff, the Schmidt hate was pretty strong as I recall. Ron Jaworski was called some pretty mean things, too.
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Whoa whoa whoa Jaworski definitely deserved a lot of the hate. He really was not that great of a passer. Donovan is by no means Montana, but he could throw the ball significantly better than Jaws and turned it over far less. Any Schmidt hate makes no sense, but then again, I wasnt around during the prime of his career.
He deserved to be called anti-semitic things? He wasn’t Montana, but he wasn’t exactly Doug Pederson.
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“Hey Jaworski, you throw like a Jew”
Just thought that was funny.
/Koufax’d
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Jaworski was booed because of results even though he obviously cared.
At the same time that Schmidt was booed because he didn’t care even though his results made him the best third basemen ever. (It’s like Parisians yelling “Rodin you have cement hands, you suck.”)
Seeing this happen made me think “Maybe Philly fans are idiots and assholes.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Both were all time greats for Philadelphia. McNabb may not be the 3rd best QB of all time, but he is arguably the greatest QB the city has seen.
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Norm Van Brocklin?
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= why I said arguably.
Maybe I should have said in the modern era, too. I didn’t see it, can’t argue one way or another, but it was also a different game. I’m sure Van Brocklin was probably better.
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I don’t know why they started hating him, but they probably really hated him because he called them on their shit:
“You’re trying your damndest, you strike out and they boo you. I act like it doesn’t bother me, like I don’t hear anything the fans say, but the truth is I hear every word of it and it kills me.”
“If you’re associated with the Philadelphia media or town, you look for negatives. I don’t know if there’s something about their upbringing or they have too many hoagies, or too much cream cheese.”
As far as Carter shooting: There’s only 1 guy in the top 7 in goals who doesn’t take 3 shots per game: Scott Hartnell. Last year, there wasn’t a single guy in the top 10 in goals who didn’t take 3 shots per game (Morrow tied for 12th with 2.54). Yes, Carter was one of only six players to take 4 shots per game or more, but what’s wrong with shooting when you score 36 times? If he rips a shot into the goalie’s chest, there’s an offensive zone faceoff. That helps the team, as much or more, than a dump in.
But yeah, in general, we agree. I think he was an elite player, but I understand those who say he was “just” a 30 goal scorer, two way player.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
30 goal scorer, two way player.
Which is really really impressive. Watching him you want to say he could be more, but looking at his results in his situations, and coming away unimpressed; it boggles my mind.
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It’s like saying Pavel Datsyuk could be better.
Yeah, probably. But wow.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Shots on goal, or shots toward net?
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I am not a stats guy and I didn’t like Carter but when I was able to set that feeling aside and just watch him play it became obvious that he was an asset to the team all over the ice and offered first-team All-Star goal-scoring. Not “superstar” but “star.”
Sometimes if you just don’t “like” a guy you have to own up to that and realize it’s your problem.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
/raises hand
Hi, my name is Geoff, and I’m a Randy Jones hater.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hi, my name is doubleh, and I was happy to see Joffrey Lupul go.
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I’m still bummed about that. =/ when they broke up that line, it felt like the end of fun times.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I just didn’t like his face. Had nothing to do with his game. Uberdouchebag.
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Ha, it’s fine. I always get real keen on a player, only to find out everyone else hates him.
Lups, Chico, Breezy.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Why not? We’re all friends here :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
The smiley face makes me question your sincerity.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
haha, probably. I assumed sarcasm, wasn’t sure.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
stat wise he was pretty much average
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Is this true? I remember being surprised at his save percentages (after being surprised they calculated save percentages in the 70s).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
i mean prob about a .914 average..his playoffs besides the winning year were abysmal
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That’s crazy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
2 be honest its kinda like bryz in the fact that its all over the place and streaky
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years*..and i guess 67-68 where it was just alien
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I still miss Ben Eager.
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I was pretty young when Schmidt played for the Phillies, and I remember being confused by it. Everybody LOVED him, he was everybody’s hero among my friends at school. And then suddenly they all hated him. I didn’t know why. Still don’t. Then I had a few school and family trips to go see Orioles games, so I started following them because of Ripken and never gave the Phillies another thought. :-p
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At least you didn’t leave us for some hussy like the Braves. It’s been a long and tortuous relationship, but I just can’t quit my Phils.
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I don’t even follow the Orioles anymore. I’m just more devoted to hockey in the long run.
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Where’s the hustle, grit and determination?!?
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It got traded from baseball to college football and basketball. :-p
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for “future considerations”
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Anonymous people derided his game? THE HORROR!
Bob.
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oh shit...
Um..uh……Tim Tebow! Tim Tebow!!!!
Belive me I’m saving you
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by reaper1221 on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whether it was for off ice issues or not, I don’t see with him not wanting to play for Columbus, or more so not being happy while injured on a team that is having a disappointing year, after being traded by a team that just inked him to a life contract as being proof of off ice issues. Did I miss something else that would be proof?
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Tough situation for Carter. All that’s really left to do is wish him the best and hope something works out for him soon.
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Disappointing to see the shootout loss last night. It was the 4th home game I’ve attended this year, and the Flyers have lost all 4 :(
Saw the St. Louis game, Carolina, Winter Classic and now Winnipeg. They just can’t win when I go see them….
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
It was the opposite for me last year, they won nearly every game.
This year, I have the same problem.
Prepare your sleep apparatus.
On the twitterverse
So the real answer is that we need to notify the Flyers when any BSHer is at the game, so they know never to lose then.
/Wait, they lost when I saw them at Nashville, too. :-((
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WTF is wrong with commenting today? I keep getting messages that my comment cannot be posted right now and to try again in a few minutes. Then, when it finally does post, I get the “new comment” popup in the bottom corner with my own name, and every comment I’ve made on this page collapses to just show the title and “by” line and appears twice.
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Yeah, this happened to me a few weeks ago. Seems to happen when the servers are overheating, so to speak.
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You’re not trying hard enough. Bear down. Show us some heart.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Carter to Nashville?
Oodles of short term and long-term cap space.
Nothing would signal to Weber and Suter that Poile’s going to spend to win than to bring in a contract that doesn’t expire for another 10-years.
They haven’t had a #1 center in Nashville… well… ever. (Foppa on one foot doesn’t count)
Their attacking, north-south speed game is tailor made for Carter — lot of great outlet passing to get him the puck in stride.
They have enough assets in the system to pull it off.
Carter could find his very own Carrie Underwood.
I specifically posted this at On the Forecheck a few days ago. The problem is the length of the Carter contract for management, not the $$$. But they have stuff that Columbus would want, young D and goaltending (like Lindback) that is even in a more untenable position than Bob with the Rinne contract.And Suter would re-sign if Nashville matches on $$, even if he becomes a free agent.
If Carter is traded for, also, look out Western Conference. They suddenly become a Cup contender. No joke.
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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Word to that. And he’d become the fourth Predator on my fantasy team.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
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The Islanders will play a preseason game in Brooklyn next year
If….
will it fall on DiPietro?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions
Even a leaf would be a problem.
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pretty sure the pollen would choke him to death
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
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Carter's on the Block!!
How hysterical would it be if we traded for him? That would be slightly awkward in the front office, at best.
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Now we Really can’t move him.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 1, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I hate when Google Chrome tells me that google.com is unavailable.
I know it makes sense but it’s still annoying. YOU ARE IT! FIND YOURSELF!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 1, 2012 1:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
OT but i cant help my self
talking about sid injury being a soft tissue injury and one of the comments was
Redwingfan2383 hours ago
By soft tissue injury, do they mean is v a g i n a?
Reply
3 replies
+11derekwd333 hours ago
I’m not sure, can you hurt that while taking a dive?
i know its wrong but i lol’d
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
however this brings up a good question…pronger got checked out in pittsburg, pitt doctors missed a very important thing with sidny. should prongs go see other docs?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Probably, but I wonder if he can get a referral from Tom Brady, too.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i know i phrased the question stupidly
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
I thought the phrasing was fine.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
oh thought you were being facetious
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Well, I was regarding the Tom Brady referral (in case you weren’t aware, the doc Crosby went to was referred to him by Brady), but I wasn’t regarding Pronger seeing other doctors.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 1, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
another joke has died by my hands…when will it end!!!
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
So 3rd line will be Shelley, Rinaldo, Sestito?
This really is the darkest timeline.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
You think that's scary?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Shelley really is irrelevant, but so is the entire 4th line unless Z and Couturier are on it.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 1, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
Whoever said Rinaldo has that look a la Pvt Pyle in Full Metal Jacket was dead on.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 2, 2012 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
bryz?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
sooo no 2 o clock number?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
What’s a 2 o’clock number? Is that like a draft pick?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
"Who needs draft picks?"
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 1, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
just fucking saw cooter at my local applebees
Didn’t wanna bother him with his gf so just told him he rocked on his way out after the waitress ask if he was who I said he was
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
just fucking saw cooter at my local applebees
Really? I mean, I know their frozen drinks are pretty large, but wow. Did she/they get thrown out?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Wait, so he’s getting paid around a mil a year and he takes his girlfriend out to Applebee’s? I hope he didn’t get laid tonight.
lol and had a 24 dollar meal..my sister was his waitress and didnt even know who he was haha
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
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