Flyers vs. Red Wings preview: Something about 'history'
by Travis Hughes on Feb 12, 2012 3:26 PM EST
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PrintOn April 5, 2007, Martin Brodeur and the New Jersey Devils beat the Flyers by a score of 3-2. It was Brodeur's 48th and final win of the season, one more than Bernie Parent's long-standing record of 47 wins in a year.
But we in Philly brushed aside Brodeur's accomplishment while the rest of the league celebrated it, because ten of those wins came via the shootout, which very obviously didn't exist when Parent was plying his trade for the Flyers on the way to a Stanley Cup in 1973-74. Parent had 12 ties attached to his record that year -- surely, if the shootout had existed, he would have won at least a handful of them, and he would still be the record-holder today.
7:30 p.m. tonight at Joe Louis Arena in Detroit, Michigan
TV: NBC Sports Network, TSN2 | Radio: 94 WIP [feed]
Insert Detroit Joke Here: Winging It In Motown
If the Red Wings beat the Flyers tonight in Detroit, it'll be their 20th straight win at home. That's ridiculously impressive, and it'll tie an NHL record currently shared by the 1975-76 Flyers and the 1929-30 Boston Bruins should they do it. When the Flyers set their record, however, it wasn't an unbeaten streak. It was a win streak, and they didn't use the benefit of the shootout to their advantage. The same for the Bruins.
During this streak, the Red Wings have won three games in the shootout. Those would have been ties in 1976 or 1930. If we're taking that into consideration, this Red Wings streak really lasted 12 games, and it ended on January 12 against Phoenix. Lets just keep that in mind while NBC Sports Network beats us over the head with talk of "history" tonight.
Speaking of streaks, the Flyers' last game at Joe Louis Arena -- a 3-2 win last January -- ended a 22-year drought without a win in that arena. Some of the guys on the team today weren't even born 22 years ago, so it's a pretty irrelevant stat when all's considered, but the Flyers' lack of success in Detroit fits hand-in-hand with the whole history storyline in this game tonight.
When it comes to things that matter, the Flyers are actually a phenomenal road team, and that's probably the more interesting storyline here. You have the NHL's best home team (by a mile) facing off against the best road team in the league -- which will come out on top?
Beyond that, the Flyers really need the points. It's been a rough week, with four losses to divisional opponents and no let up in sight with the Red Wings on the agenda. A win tonight would be huge in the standings, but perhaps more importantly, huge for the psyche.
Ilya Bryzgalov is with the team in Detroit, but there's no word on if he'll be in net this evening. If not, Sergei Bobrovsky will get his third straight start. Eric Wellwood was a late scratch for the Phantoms last night in Norfolk, Va. and has been called up to the Flyers on a precautionary basis today. Jakub Voracek left yesterday's game against the Rangers and didn't return, and it's unclear on whether or not he'll be in the lineup tonight. Wellwood will replace him if he can't go, and that'll likely jumble up the lineup quite a bit.
Joey MacDonald will be in goal for the Red Wings, as Jimmy Howard remains out of the lineup with an injury. Game thread at 6 tonight, and remember, the game is on NBC Sports Network and 94 WIP.
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Bob's in net according to Panotch
I’m probably not going to be able to watch the whole game because I have to go to my mom’s stupid birthday dinner
The Legend
Bob is in, per Panotch.
And above all, no matter what happens, let’s not forget: at least we’re not Detroit.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 12, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions
You don’t by any chance have to go to your mother stupid birthday dinner tonight????
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Cough..bullshit..cough
These records need asterisks! I am down for a regulation Flyers win tonight. I believe the road for the Red Wings is Downhill.
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The 1975-76 Flyers
also got to play hockey against some absolutely horrible teams. The Kansas City Scouts and Washington Capitals won 12 and 11 games all season (in 80 games). Even the hapless Blue Jackets have 13 ROWs this season in fewer than 60 games.
The 75-76 Flyers only had to play outside of their own time zone 10 times, compared to 20 for Detroit. Those Flyers had four games over one trip to the West coast. The Wings have traveled out to the West coast three times since November 5th.
The total difference in distance traveled is over 7,300 miles.
But if it makes people feel better to say they’re not the same, then ok. I know the 2011-12 Detroit Red Wings would mop the ice with that Flyers team.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 3:39 PM EST reply actions
Bob
The whole league was better in 75-76. Even the worst team was better then the dreck feeding on the bottom of this league. But you only came here to hear yourself talk and get a shot in for your Dead Wings. Be gone its back to the dark days of the 70’s and 80’s for you. But you probably don’t remember the 15 straight years Detroit failed to even make the playoffs against all those horrible teams. HAHAHAHAHA
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The whole league was better in 75-76.
How do you figure this? The difference between bottom and top in that year was much wider than it is now. The Habs outscored their competition by more than 160 goals. Only two teams have had a +100 goal differential or better in the last decade and the higher of those two was +103.
I’d put this year’s BJs in that league and happily watch them make the playoffs.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your delusional. There were only 18 teams in that league. The teams weren’t watered down with marginal players. And for the record the 2011-12 Wings would be shutout by Bernie and never keep up with the speed and Physicality of the Hall of fame roster the Flyers ultimately had in 75-76. Don’t believe the myths and the lure of the broad street bullies they didn’t just beat people up they were a swarming physical skating defense, there were three hall of fame players in Clarke, Barber and Parent and Macleish and Leach are all time scorers.
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Yeah, that league wasn't watered down
… with any Europeans.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Also
There were 32 professional hockey teams in North America that year, with the WHA.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
By that time the wha was a minor league
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by MJDII on Feb 12, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re both full of nonsense and wild speculation. You can’t compare the two and say who would win today. It’s stupid. The game is completely different.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Why you hefta get on my ass?
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Because my eyes hurt from rolling after every comment...
I know the 2011-12 Detroit Red Wings would mop the ice with that Flyers team.
And for the record the 2011-12 Wings would be shutout by Bernie and never keep up with the speed and Physicality of the Hall of fame roster the Flyers ultimately had in 75-76.
The whole league was better in 75-76. Even the worst team was better then the dreck feeding on the bottom of this league.
I’d put this year’s BJs in that league and happily watch them make the playoffs.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hey two of the dumber comments weren’t even mine.
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Which is why I said:
You’re both full of nonsense and wild speculation.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hey man never will I let a fool trample over the history of this team and down play the bullies as goons and idiots, never!
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You weren’t doing yourself any favors either, just sayin’.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
In what way? The 75-76 team was one of the best in the history of the game. Parent got hurt and that is why they lost to the Habs. And in those days there were guys guys playing in the AHL that would be making 4 million a year now but couldn’t get into line up that weren’t watered down. Even Dave Schultz scored 20 goals. What are we now talking about?
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You may have a point, but IMO it’s really not possible to predict how a team from 35 years ago would fare against a team from today. The game has changed too much. And you were both putting your claims out there with such certainty that the whole thing just sounded ridiculous. It turned into a pissing contest. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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A swinging dick contest and I don’t like to lose those! :)
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How exactly does “played more often in a different time zone” come into play when discussing the merits of a home winning streak?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 12, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe the Wings play in five different home arenas, all in different time zones, throughout Michigan?
by fiveredapples on Feb 12, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Do you play in a vacuum?
Unless you’re playing all 20 of those home games consecutively, travel considerations make a difference.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on how the schedule is layed out, so you cant just compare the traveling, because you also have to factor in back-to-back games for both teams etc.
Fact is the Detroit would only have a streak of 12 wins in a row if the shootout didnt exist.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 12, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Philly’s stretch worked in 40 games over the course of 90 days (.4444 games per day)
Detroit’s is 45 games over 99 days (.45454545)
Fact is the Detroit would only have a streak of 12 wins in a row if the shootout didnt exist.
That is only a fact with all other things being equal. Since we can’t say with any clarity how differently the game would be played or coached without a shootout, we can’t say with certainty that Detroit and Phoenix would have gone to the shootout in game #13.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I get it. The Wings are on this home-win streak and every game, most of the games, are the bookend of back-to-back games where the first game was on the road and the second game was at home. Impressive those WIngs.
by fiveredapples on Feb 12, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
But if it makes people feel better to say they’re not the same, then ok. I know the 2011-12 Detroit Red Wings would mop the ice with that Flyers team.
Are you serious or just trolling? The Flyers that year got 118 pts in a 80 game season, had the most dominating scoring line that year and was only stopped by an up and coming dynasty in Montreal
by Anders Jensen on Feb 12, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
And no Parent in the Finals also.
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I'm actually serious
based on equipment alone, if you separate two teams by 35 years, the current one is going to have a distinct advantage over the past team.
The 1975-76 Flyers were an amazing team to be playing hockey in the 70s.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus would mop the floor with those ’75 Flyers, I know that much.
by fiveredapples on Feb 12, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
I dont follow you here. I could argue that the Wings of 2011-2012 would be killed if they played the 75-76 with the rules of 75-76.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 12, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Just the rules?
I don’t agree. If you equalized rules AND equipment, you may have an argument.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
It goes like this, pal. You are looking to tie our record tonight against us. And congrats if you get it. It will all count the same. Unfortunately.
Just know what Travis said is true. The Red Wings have had the benefit of the shootout bailing them out. The 75-76 Flyers and 19-20 Bruins never had that benefit. If a game ended after overtime expired, it was considered a tie and the streak would have been broken.
It is unfair to compare teams of distinctively different eras and say one is better and the other. Both are products of their current era. Who would win an extended series is something that can only be speculated, never known.
Also, please quantify the effects extended travel has on teams. Show me your evidence that this is indeed a big deterrent.
The fact of the matter is, the Flyers have a win streak. You have an unbeaten streak that would not have been a win streak had the same results occurred playing by the rules of the 1970s and 1920s.
Two different things. Congrats on your achievement if you get it. 20 straight games without a loss at home is pretty impressive. Just now that due to the rules today out of your control what you are achieving is not on the same level as teams of the past.
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by Justin F. on Feb 12, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Congrats on your achievement if you get it. 20 straight games without a loss at home is pretty impressive. Just now that due to the rules today out of your control what you are achieving is not on the same level as teams of the past.
Thank you.
I would agree that they’re not the same thing, but don’t agree that they’re not on the same level. You can’t really cheapen something by doing it for only the third time in 94 years. If we regularly see teams approaching the upper teens in consecutive home victories, then THAT will cheapen the accomplishment, but that hasn’t been the case.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 12, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
You won three of those games after more than one player for each team was on the ice at the same time, so, you know…….
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You can’t really cheapen something by doing it for only the third time in 94 years
But it won’t be the same thing if the Red Wings win. It will be an unbeaten streak, not a win streak.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
Idk, you could argue it’s just as impressive a feat.. The league has changed; players are bigger and stronger. I can say 20 games unbeaten at home is still damn impressive.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Which is true, but it’s still not tying a record of wins.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
So Flyers called up Wellwood… Voracek’s out then?
If I started playing ice hockey right now, I could be better than Jody Shelley in 2 weeks
Game-time decision according to Panotch an hour ago.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 12, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
TROOF!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 12, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
The proper streak is they haven’t lost 19 straight home games. That’s what we have to do with the shootout in our lives. Games that would have ended as ties back in the day now have winners and losers, so winning streaks today compared with streaks before the lockout are watered down.
goldomatic, who is King in the art of wishful thinking
Seriously...
What did Harry Z do?
Why Sestito and now Wellwood over him?
by lava96 on Feb 12, 2012 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
By the way….would rather see Lilja in over MAB too. MAB has looked terrible lately. Gus not looking much better either.
by lava96 on Feb 12, 2012 4:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He has looked bad at times, but there have been several plays every game where he has started to show signs of growth. Last game it looked like he would be trapped behind the net, but he made a good spin move to get loose and control the puck. He’s young, so these bad things are bound to happen, I just hope he continues to develop and become a 6/7 guy we can count on.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 12, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Frankly right now neither of them look good, but they are both young and maturing with experience. Perhaps come playoff time Lilja can replace Gus, that is if we dont get another upgrade. I know everyone hates Lilja, but the guy is big and that certainly helps come playoff time, especially with the lack of Pronger.
I think an interesting question is: What did Wellwood do to get passed by Harry Z and Sestito earlier this year?
The Flyers change up their callups. It happens. And they will continue playing Rinaldo/Sestito/Goon over better players so long as Snider is owner. It happens.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 12, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I ate a grilled cheese and about to do my errands so I’ll be ready for the game tonight. MIght be switching between the game and the Grammy’s but yay for hockey on tv :)
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Travis, really? Don’t you realize some of us have absolutley nothing to do but look forward to a game thread.
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dear god THIS! Though I am sorta immersed in an old episode of SVU
by sophiejo on Feb 12, 2012 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stop! My wife and I are svu junkies. We are watching as we speak.
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voracek out per flyers facebook
Wellwood plays
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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by reaper1221 on Feb 12, 2012 6:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
:(
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
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Suck it, Phaneuf
eh
Let’s see what the kids got, we have had good luck so far with rookie fowards…what if wellwood is another diamond in the rough?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 12, 2012 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hargitays ass in this current episode of SVU is legendary. #noassdiaries
by sophiejo on Feb 12, 2012 6:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Of all the law and order ladies hargitay isn’t really on my list.
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thats because of the major lesbian vibe she gives off……??
by sophiejo on Feb 12, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No not lesbian but masculine, hell I’m a lesbian. Just not hot in my opinion. We had a whole thread about this recently. I was into like Rubarosa and Borgia.
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hell I’m a lesbian
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 12, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahahaha
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 12, 2012 6:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Of all the shit I say to get Travis’ attention all day this is what he responds to? Unbelievable.
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hahaha
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 12, 2012 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Future Panotch is now a phantom..
by sophiejo on Feb 12, 2012 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh M, I’m so sad you don’t find her hot. I mean I get the obvious Sofia Vagara hots but Hargitay is a stunner to me. So is Hope Solo and the other one who’s name I cant recall right now. There’s more than one kind of hot you know?! :)
by sophiejo on Feb 12, 2012 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes there are all kinds of hot. I can respect the blond thing but personally find dark hair and tinted skin is my weakness.
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