Monday Morning Fly By: I Don't Expect to Enjoy The Next Four Days
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Recaps: [BSH] [Winging It In Motown] [CSNPhilly] [Daily News] [Inquirer] [delcotimes.com] [the700level] [The Checking Line] [Flyers Faithful] [Bill Meltzer]
- Travis went on WIIM radio after the game, if you're so inclined: [Winging It In Motown]
- Jack McCaffery with a good look at the Flyers mentality, particularly this passage: "Citing a ridiculously insignificant trend, someone mentioned to Wayne Simmonds that the Flyers have had trouble winning afternoon games. Responded the one Flyer who bothered Saturday to remain active in front of the net: 'It’s not just that, it’s the 7 o’clock games, too.'" [delcotimes.com]
- It's time to start speculating about trades: [The Checking Line]
- But Paul Holmgren continues to wait on a trade: [delcotimes.com]
- The Phantoms got smoked by Norfolk, 7-3 on Saturday: [PostStar]
- Niko Hovinen stopped all 18 shots to beat the Czech Republic 7-0 on Friday: [euroflyers]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 14 of 17 shots in relief against Hovinen's Finns on Friday: [euroflyers]
- Then Kovar stopped all 19 shots in a 4-0 shutout of Russia on Saturday: [euroflyers]
- The Coyotes just keep winning, which is either good or bad for their owners, the NHL: [Puck Daddy]
- Nordiques fans have been invading opposing arenas for years now, and it's a trend I greatly enjoy: [Puck Daddy]
- Watch this ridiculous high school breakaway goal from a Native American: [Deadspin]
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Here's the bottom line people!
We were beaten this weekend by two teams better then us at this time. No one shit the sheets or screwed the pooch. This is a transition team right now and we got soiled by early success and have unrealistic expectations. I loved the success and the promise this new team showed so far this season. This team is competitive as hell. Calm down!
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by MJDII on Feb 13, 2012 6:09 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Thank you. February = swoonsville every single year.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
They need two or three really good, hard practices and get into the gym for a couple of days. Not a bag skate but up tempo practice sessions.
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I also think they need a defenseman. I never thought I’d say this, but let’s get Hal Gill.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ehh, Lavy wants the game up tempo he is just not going to do that at all. I am not sure if this person exists to get but another body isn’t what is going to fix the recent breakdowns. They have to refocus their mission and responsibilities on the ice. Hockey players need practice to stay focused.
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This. One or two different defensemen might end up being an upgrade but won’t fix the mental/positioning problems they face right now. And it won’t cure any issues with forwards playing D consistently.
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 13, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
What good would Hal Gill do?
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Help the penalty kill, for one. He’s slow but he’s a big solid defenseman who can clear the front of the net, which is something we need.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think he’s just too slow for the rest of the system. You can’t afford to dress a guy every night simply to stand in front of the net on the pk. We need a guy who can keep up with the fast-paced attack system and still bring grit to our own slot.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
We need a guy who can keep up with the fast-paced attack system and still bring grit to our own slot.
If this guy’s available, sure. But if not I’d take Hal Gill and the risk that he slows the whole team down. The front of the Flyers net is laughably easy real estate right now.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Why take the risk? What do we give up to acquire him? If it’s more than a 4th round, not a chance.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’d give up a 3rd for him. I really don’t think it’s all that risky of an acquisition.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he’s so slow he’d never get caught up-ice the way the current crew seems to keep doing.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
What’s that gonna do but increase the risk of injury and put unnecessary wear on players. If your conditioning in the middle of a competition phase, your doing something wrong. All that work should have been done in the off season. Once the season starts the games should be considered the main workout and everything else should be done to maintain the work that was done in the off season preparatory phase.
I am not a physical therapist or trainer, but my dad is one. As you play the games over the course of the season you actually lose your physical fitness and run on mostly instinct and adrenaline. Hockey players need practice and off ice workouts to work on both fitness and game plan. If anything, playing a lot of games and having fewer practices generates bad habits which can bloom into the problems you see on the ice right now. The best thing for a hockey player is to stay on the ice and in the gym. The worst thing you can do to a hockey player is keep him from the rink.
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I need OT Fantasy Hockey Help!
I got offered Couture and Backes for Giroux….I love G, of course, but I think I’m tempted to take this one. I’d have to send some other “crap” guy back like Wilson, or Hagelin, or Hodgson, Voracek, Kostisyn, Korpikoski, (Corey) Potter, or (Andy) MacDonald.
I’m tempted to make the trade and make him take or else drop like MacDonald or Potter.
Thoughts? Help please!!!!
by captj on Feb 13, 2012 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Trade Everyone!
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Those guys fit your “crap player” list? Yikes, you must have a stacked roster.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Homer
Hey, he’s making sense in that article. The team should leave him to his own devices.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 13, 2012 7:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The only thing that bothers me from the article is Lavy wanting wins to stay at the top of the conference. I never got the point of keeping on the gas for conference or division rank. Who gives a shit if you come in 1st or 8th? Just do what is best for the team and get into the playoffs. Worry about the team’s play not the points.
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You should try to get home ice technically, but it hasn’t been good to the Flyers this year. Let’s just talk about… Playoffs?!?
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You should approach the playoffs with your team playing confidently. Home ice or not.
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Exactly. Flyers were the 6 seed in 2008 but finished the year 7-1-1.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly. So let’s work the kinks out now and not worry about standings.
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But that’s not how it actually plays out: http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2011/2/10/1978386/feel-the-playoff-momentum
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Well I guess if you are playing like shit for 35 games you sure as shit have to worry. But 8 games is like 3 weeks of having your shit together and I like our chances if in the last 3 weeks our shit is together.
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Of course, but history shows that doesn’t matter.
Hell, look at the 2010 Flyers as a counter-example to the 2008 Flyers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Ill be honest geoff I forget the records down the stretch for those teams. I know in 2010 the season was a total bumble fuck and Lavy got the ship righted towards the end and one stroke of shootout luck got us into the playoffs.
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one stroke of shootout luckBrian M’F’n Boucher got us into the playoffs.
FTFBL (Fixed that for Boosh lovers)
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
The shootout existing actually hurt us. All we needed was a damn tie in that game.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
True!
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Your memory fails you again! Is it a coincidence that it disagrees with your premise?
The 09-10 Flyers under John Stevens: 13-11-1 (0.540)
The 09-10 Flyers under Peter Laviolette: 28-24-5 (0.535)
Laviolette didn’t exactly “right the ship”. Further, the 09-10 Flyers record “towards the end”:
9-10-3 Post-Olympic break. 5-7-1 Post-St. Patrick’s Day. 3-3 in April.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Subtlety is not your strong suit!
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It really isn’t.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Keith Jones says otherwise!
If you really want to show momentum, shouldn’t that study look at Corsi over the last few games of the regular season versus Corsi during the playoffs?
Maybe, but I think what that study was doing is taking conventional wisdom – if you have a good record down the stretch, you win in the playoffs – and seeing if it’s true. It isn’t attempting to show how well the team was playing, but rather if what most people think is true.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
How does Goals For relate to winning percentage? Am I missing the point of their study?
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Honestly, I don’t know. And in my search, I found Mike Chen doing a study that reveals the exact opposite: http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2011/4/6/2093601/nhl-playoffs-2011-momentum
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Turns out the Flyers are just horrible examples for this. The Caps were streaking (9-1-0) when the Flyers upset them, but the Flyers were streaking too (7-2-1). In 2010, the Flyers were slumping (4-5-1) and still managed to win, beating the Devils (5-2-3).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I just finished reading it and wow the flyers had the same record record over the last 10 games and one year got knocked out in the first round and the next year went to the finals. But I did like what Chen said here:
I’m a big believer in habits on the ice, both good and bad. During losing streaks, teams get into bad habits — defensemen chase the puck, forwards try to stick-handle through everyone and goalies get overwhelmed. Even though those are all correctable issues, it all comes from individuals trying too hard and not sticking with the team concept.
If that is not the last 3 weeks around here I don’t know how else to explain it.
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Agreed
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that really fits our current predicament perfectly.
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And it is really not that difficult, but gets away so easily and quickly.
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forwards try to stick-handle through everyone
vorcek and giroux to a T
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
This is starting to remind me of last year. Falling apart after the All Star break
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
It's the defense, again.
It’s very similar to last year. The defense is worn down by the absence of a guy that was signed to take a large amount ice time and leadership. Mez and Timmo are exhausted, Carle and Coburn have reverted to their down-side alter egos and the depth players have not really stepped up to take any of the load. It’s just like last year. However, like last year, I don’t think this team is divided. Usually in times of trouble the locker room division is being leaked all over the place and I haven’t heard any of that talk, like last year.
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Its not the defense, its special teams not performing. The PK is a terrible and the PP cant score a goal. Also as somebody else said, we have played some really really good teams in the month of Ferbruary, Predators, Leafs, 2xrangers, Devils, Islanders (have been playing really well lately, but ofcourse not as good as the rest of the teams we played) and the Wings.
The last half of the month we only face 2 good teams in the Pens and Sharks, but all 6 games are winnable.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
It’s a total team effort but its the defense and not that it’s not justified. But the even on the power play the communication between the defensemen is horrible. Neither guy seems to no who is responsible for who. Either both guys are in the slot or behind the net. Leaving their assignments without coverage in slot. The defense is especially out of sorts.
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Still allowing a goal on 30% of the PKs make em look worse then they are, also converting 0 PPs for goals put so much more pressure on the whole team. Take the Rangers game, had the PK just stopped one of the early Rangers PP and scored on one them self, that game could easy have been won.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
The whole team is off kilter right now but I just see a lot of the breakdowns starting with the defense. They aren’t solely responsible for the slump.
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Two weeks when they win 5 of 6 everything changes. Mixed in this slump were good wins over good teams TOR and NSH I just think the Rangers own us and DET in DET is pretty tough regardless. Flyers are what they are a 4-6 seed and plenty of them have won the Cup over the years.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
And there is no shame in being 4-6 seed. At least no need to stay on the gas petal to be a 3-4.
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I definitely think they need to avoid a 7-8 seed though. Let someone else have a crack at the Bruins/Rangers in the first round.
But if that is your fate and you have righted the ship by dropping back ten and punting for a while maybe you beat one of these teams. Boston has played a lot of hockey between last year and this and I would not be surprised if it catches up with them late in the season. Getting them in the first round might not be as bad as you think.
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Oh man can you imagine what rags fans would be like if we 2010 bruins’d them….smiling
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
However I think or optimum playoffs would start with a matchup against the panthers
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m curious why you say Mez exhausted, but Carle and Coburn are simply reverting to suck.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
Carle has been awful for a solid month now.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
That’s not my question. My question is: Why is Meszaros exhausted and not lumped in with Carle and Coburn?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Ha I don’t know but he should be. He wouldn’t have an excuse for being more exhausted than anyone else.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was my point.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
He has had spurts of jump but it seems he is almost daydreaming out there. He is not out of shape or dumb so I believe he is wearing down. I really think it looks a lot like last year to me and he seemed worn down at this time last year. This is my perception that a large part of the game is mental and breakdowns seem to happen when guys lose focus. They haven’t forgotten how to play the game so I attribute breakdowns guys being tired.
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by MJDII on Feb 13, 2012 8:22 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
But you only attributed breakdowns to Meszaros and Timonen being tired. You’re attributing breakdowns to Carle and Coburn reverting to their “down-side alter egos”. Why the excuse for Meszaros, but not Coburn or Carle?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe I am giving Mez too much credit and looking for more then he is capable of??? I seem to put mez as one of the more experienced players above Coburn and Carle, who I still look at as developing their game to a small degree. That could be my misunderstanding of their capabilities.
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This is strange to me since Carle is 27, Meszaros is 26, and Coburn is 26. Career games played: Meszaros 560; Carle 518; and Coburn 488.
I have a hard time separating the three in terms of experience and future development.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I still look at Carle and Coburn as guys that are coming into there potential and Mez as a little more seasoned of a guy that has been around in different situations and his game is what his game is. Maybe I am expecting more from Carle and Coburn then they are capable of.
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I don’t know, but it’s weird to me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know, Your still poking at me! Do we agree that this defense is sorely missing a leader. Not that Timmo is not a great defenseman, but an Alpha male type.
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haha, we don’t agree. This defense is missing one good defenseman. So long as Bourdon is saddling Carle and Gus is saddling Mesz, the defense will look bad. Doesn’t need to be an alpha male, it could simply be a #5 defenseman.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
To get by I agree with the #5 as I mentioned above, but to be a really contender an alpha male which is not happening at trade deadline or off season unless some crazy shit comes down.
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I personally don’t care about their personality type, so long as they are good at hockey. That’s the difference ’tween you and I.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
There is more to just being good at hockey. On paper the Capitals are really good at hockey, but something is missing on the ice. Teams are like soldiers and they do better when following a leader and a mission.
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On paper, the Capitals are not very good at hockey. They were, 2 years ago, but have you looked at their roster lately? They have no second line.
Every team has a mission, it’s not hard to follow that. Every team has a leader, for that matter, too. Is Dan Bylsma an Alpha? Can you name the Alpha on the Red Wings?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
LIDSTROM!!!! Fucking swinging dick
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I don’t even know what this means…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll give ya that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Come on Geoff. It is primal in a locker room.
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Better than slingin’ dick.
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
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Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Where you been man? I was looking for you yesterday when the topic of whip cream vodka came up.
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That stuff is delicious.
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Hilarity ensued...
On my screen, this conversation is far enough over that your reply to M didn’t move further right, which made it look like this was a response to my slingin’ dick comment.
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
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HAHAHAHA
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That’s what he is referring to
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HA! Man, I missed out.
I’ve been around somewhat but I’ve had some difficulty getting into the game threads lately.
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Your perception of Mez is being biased by his flashy plays i.e. big hits, well timed pinches and rushes up ice. But his play has been just as bad in the defensive zone.
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This cold be my misconception of his game. I am putting him in the seasoned category and that comes with different expectations and realities.
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And… I am not saying they have reverted to suck. Both guys seem to have jekyl and hyde games about them.
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I’ll buy that (and yes, I realize I’m opening the can o’worms for Geoff or Eric to show otherwise with some stats). But then … doesn’t everyone have an ‘off’ day sometimes? I mean, even G went through a relative mini-slump there for a bit. The only players that are absolutely consistent are Timonen and Talbot (and possibly Scooter), and even they have bad games. We all knew Carle was capable of some exceptionally awful games (he always has) and Cobie could be an absolute liability at times (like he was at the start of last season). But we also know that they recover and play great hockey more often than crappy hockey. I think right now, the fact that Carle is playing with a JV partner is exposing his mistakes more; I’d even wager that Cobie’s gaffes are coming on the shift change more often than not.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
I was believing they were over using Mez but Carle is the leader in TOI. I guess in reality all three of them, Mez, Carle & Coburn are up and down players, but recently they all look down. They need to refocus and someone needs to get the defense together in the film room and come to an agreement what their assignments and responsibilities are on the ice.
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Now THAT, sir, sounds like a reasonable answer.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
holy shit, that goal in the last link
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
Right?! I watched it a few times, that was awesome for sure.
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by Rrainone on Feb 13, 2012 8:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please......
….. Do not trade for Hal Gill.
Also, who on the Blue Jackets would the Flyers possibly be targeting? Carter coming back? ;)
Does anybody think Homer will go after another forward and a D-Man, or maybe even two D-Men?
Who do we give up?
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
This team has to just suck it up and stand pat! If they can shake an NHL worthy depth defenseman for late round pick(s), go for it. But really there is nothing they can or should part with.
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by MJDII on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I am with M Defense has been bad get a depth guy for 3rd or later picks fine no need to go all in this just isn’t going to be the year for that. PK had a rough weekend but for the most part has been good enough. Also think they need a shot from the point as well. The pucks from the blue line are just not getting through and the shooters aren’t getting any respect the opposition is just collapsing daring our defense to skate up and make a play but nothing. There is this guy Pronger that pretty much solves all those problems. It is real shame we will never know how good this team good be due to that unfortunate injury.
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Voracek + JVR for Matt Calvert, Jeff Carter, Blue Jacket defenseman
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 13, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
Interesting thought. But I really doubt Carter will be back.
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by LegionofDoom on Feb 13, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
that is way too much to give up Vorachek and the 8th overall pick is less than Vorachek and JVR, Matt Calvert is in the AHL and CBJ doesn’t have any defensmen worth acquiring.
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yeh it was matt calvert reference for geoff wrapped in a mostly joking trade. didnt exactly give it much thought.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
Fedor Tyutin is absolutely worth acquiring.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Does he clear the porch if not, we don’t need more jump up to the play d men
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This, I was thinking he could be good, but he’s more like a Carle isn’t he?
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Clearing the porch is not this teams problem really. It is communication and assignments. We got killed by the rangers 5 times this year by the 2 d-men and the center not picking up assignments.
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Gotta disagree.. these deflection are no longer back luck, it not clearing the screen, and cleaning the porch
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
deflections and screens are entirely different. You are not going to physically remove a guy from the crease all together. Deflections are luck.
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Deflections are luck.
Not entirely. It seems to be systemic problem with this team.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
A puck coming at 100 mph and getting a 1/4 stick blade on it enough to alter the line by a fraction to get past the goaltender blocking a large portion of the open net and not put it out of the open net range. It’s mostly luck.
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Move the guy holding the stick
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This. It’s a combo of luck and good hand-eye coordination. But if there’s no player in the slot, he can’t get lucky/good.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
In this NHL you get a penalty for that
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So how are other teams clearing the crease without getting penalties?
It’s a conspiracy!
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
We aren’t getting loose pucks or having luck with tip ins. Since Hartnell scored those 6 goals from the circle all we do is try to set that up over and over again.
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We have scored several goals the last few games from tip ins. When you got a guy like Simmonds, you dont just move him away, all you can hope is to lift his stick so he cant tip it.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
You could if your strong enough, prongs did it
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He may have done it with an elbow or two but the job got done
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So how are other teams clearing the crease without getting penalties?
It’s a conspiracy!
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Vorecek and jvr for calvert carter and tyutin I would do in a heartbeat if we can’t do jvr for schenn. Carter is an elite 2 way foward we need and calvert from what I’ve heard(geoff) is another mike richards type. When briere goes we can bring him up since there is a log jam at center…however I don’t see us getting carter back and columbus taking voracek back
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
so… JVR + late round pick for Calvert and Tyutin and an early round pick?
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 13, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmmm nah not unless its a second or a 1st which isn’t happening…jvr(healthy) is worth more than calvert and tyutin so it would need to be a pick that I doubt they part with
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And if howson gives up the bluejackets first rounder I’m pretty sure a hit will be out on him
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But that would be interesting because say for some universe ending reason columbus does trade us the 1 overall pick..does holmgren grab nail/grigorenko(?) Or does he grab the highest touted d man?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I may have meant galyenchuk…long names confuse me
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wonder how geoff feels about this since it involves calvert
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 8:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that was pretty much the point. i didnt really think that specific trade through.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 13, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe instead of carter, they try for wishnewski?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please no. He doesn’t offer anything this team needs right now. Plus that ugly, hunch-backed contract.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I actually like Hall Gill.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST reply actions
Hall Gill lays down in the crease. Plus, he’s defensively responsible. You put him with a Carle and I think Carle’s number improve
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Carle’s numbers will improve once you get Bourdon off his pairing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
then put Bourdon with Gill. Perhaps I think Gill is a better defenseman than I think he is, or perhaps it’s because I prefer big, slow defenseman
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Fan of Bundy, then, were you?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
He should still be sending half his paycheck to Desjardins
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Rico’s a scout now, isn’t he?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure?
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He’s not on the list on the Flyers website, and Wiki just says he runs his own business (whatever that is). I coulda sworn he was scouting d-men for us … maybe ‘his business’ is freelance scouting or player agent?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I could see him as an agent. He seemed to be a pretty smart dude.
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He was a player development coach after he retired, but he decided to go back home to the Quebec and Hatcher took his place. Last I remember hearing for certain, he did a radio interview during the 2010 playoffs where he talked about coaching youth hockey up where he is in the Blainville area.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 13, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Danke.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
Allen doesn’t have the footwork or speed to play Lavvy’s scheme.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
But Gill does?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Now where did I say that? :)
It was a trick of sorts, to point out that regardless of what defenseman you purchase, they’re not idea for the system
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
ideal*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
You didn’t, but just above you recommended getting Gill, then shot down the idea of Allen because he’s too slow.
It’s quite ridiculous, really. Which I guess was your point.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Geoff, I know. I would like both Gill or Allen. I was trying to say that any defenseman you get won’t fit the system, and the same weaknesses will be exposed. The only defenseman that can truly make Lavvy’s system the way it works and be a potential upgrade is someone of Chris Pronger’s ability.
Bryan Allen or Hal Gill will not improve the defense unless Lavvy changes his scheme to accomodate his defensemen
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I figured that out once you said it was a tarp.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Admiral Ahkbar’d
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Lavy’s system is not the problem they Flyers are not getting beat on the rushes or by being over aggressive they are getting beat in defensive zone coverage in particularly in and around the net that has nothing to due with system but talent. That last thing this team needs to do is play less aggressively and more in their defensive zone as result. Because they suck in the defensive zone.
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What? I thought last week we were blaming the system. I’m so confused.
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I’ve been on blaming the system for the last month
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
I never blamed the system. Others were not I. I much rather have and identity and system and stick to it than John Steven’s no system system.
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Gotcha, I’m just getting mixed up in who said what.
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the system is garbage, regardless lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
The system is about execution not failed concept.
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the best Lavvy has done is when he changed his system and played a trap style against the Devils, Bruins and Canadiens.
Speaks volumes when the coach’s best playoff run came when he run a hybrid and not strictly his system
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
what’s your point? if anything you’re pointing out that against the cream of the crop a strong defensive identity is more important than any pinching, socring chances
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
See this is where you seem to confuse me. The game you are in dictates the system. Lavy can institute a trap if the game dictates it. Against the likes of NYR and DET he is trying to match their speed and transition. Rangers and Wings transition kills a trap.
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But another defenseman, fleet of foot but more stay-at-home -and-clear-the-crease-style … they exist. They’re even available, I’d wager. Someone like a Jordan Leopold, or someone similar … even a luke Schenn. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Leopold? The only guy who wants Leopold here would be CCB!
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Not entirely true – I advocated the team acquire him several times in the past. I don’t think he’s a marquee defenseman, but paired with a Carle-like player that’s some good back-end.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
But seriously, you think that combo would work well? Tell me more…
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I was thinking that Leopold has slowed a shade, and changed his game in the past two seasons to one that is more two-way. He’s also a premier shot-blocker. I guess someone that hits more may be a better pair for Carle (Jurcina?) but just having a more defense-oriented player would work; just look at his performace with Pronger, right?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Mark Stuart instead? Milan Jurcina? Jason Garrison?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think that is a good think if the all the personal on the blue are the same type of defender you need to mix and match only one D-Man on the pair needs to push the puck and carry the puck while the other needs to play ummm what is it called again oh ya DEFENSE.
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you need 2 defenseman back against better teams. without a doubt.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
You just need both guys communicating despite their talents. The recent breakdowns are not the system, but rather missed assignments. The Rangers keep moving around the net and and create and odd man situation alone coming from the dot or the corner. They arent even trying to battle the crease. The communication broke down on Saturday and the two d-men and the center weren’t staying with their assignments.
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Too paraphrase too much running around which leads to a lot of two guys going to one leaving and opposing play wide the F open in the slot.
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Communication and assignments.
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I disagree odd man rushes against is not the issue it is defensive coverage on the cycle and coverage in front of the net. As I said above not seeing this post if they Flyers play less aggressively they will be playing more in their defensive zone which is playing into their biggest weakness defensive coverage.
Pronger isn’t fast neither was SOD and they both effective in Lavy’s system
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You need one ‘up’ defenseman and one ‘back’ defenseman. It needn’t always be the same guys, but on any defensive play one guy gets the rear and one the front. So at the blue line, one guy steps up for the hit/takeaway, and one guy is in support. At the circles, one guy is in the slot and one has the boards. Below the circles, one guy has the crease and one has behind the net. Now, because in the modern NHL, you usually want at least one defenseman up in the offensive play, pairing a more offensively-oriented d-man with a more defensive defenseman makes sense. In that event, the odds are that the offensive guy will get ‘pinched’ more at the upper end of the defensive zone, and the less-offensive fellow gets the back-end responsibility.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 13, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
True dat! Bourdon is the next to be dismissed, but right now they need a warm body that is not Lilja.
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Dont still people that, The Flyers suck and its all Bryz’s and Lavy’s fault. It couldnt be that things like special teams or a goalie or two have been standing on there heads against us.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Rinaldo facing hearing, if suspended hopefully harry z comback so cooter can have a more skilled winger
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 8:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wellwood is more skilled than Harry Z.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Assuming vorcek is still out wellwood would be staying anyway right?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind having a fourth line of Scooter-Harry Z and Wellwood. That is at least legitimate energy.
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Without ref targets too. Can you imagine?
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wellwood is more skilled than Harry Z.
Please explain how you came to this conclusion.
/not sarcasm/ not trolling/ really want to know
Are you sitting down?
My eyes. Wellwood has better vision and stick skill, while Zolnierczyk is faster. The difference is that Zolnierczyk’s skillset is more easily translatable to the NHL while Wellwood’s needs adjustment. And while I hate saying this, I think Zolnierczyk is more consistent – or at least appears to be so.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Ha ha, I kinda figured. So little data is tracked/ published from which to draw statistical inferences (AHL), or such small sample sizes for those two (NHL), leaves the ol’ eye test as the only method. Honestly, why don’t they track and publish the same data at the AHL level?
I don’t disagree. Actually, I can’t disagree-you’ve seen them both more often than I. Do you see Wellwood ever taking a full-time slot for NHL team?
The AHL doesn’t track the same data simply because they don’t have the capability to. A team like Hershey can, but Adirondack? Lake Erie? There just isn’t the technology or money to make it feasible.
I think Wellwood has the ability to be a top-9 forward in the NHL, I just don’t think he’ll ever get there. I certainly don’t see him getting there here, and once guys are off their ELCs, it’s really difficult for them to earn a call-up even on weaker teams.
Just a quick look at the AHL’s top scorers shows Pat Maroon in 7th, Jon Matsumoto in 8th, T.J. Hensick in 3rd, and those are just the guys I know who are on their second NHL franchise. They’ve proven to be among the best AHL scorers, but Hensick couldn’t latch onto a crappy Avalanche team, and he’s not unable to crack the Blues. Matsumoto can’t crack a crappy Hurricanes team and Maroon can’t crack a crappy Ducks team.
It’s a shame, but I don’t think Wellwood will be one of the few to break into the NHL at age of 23.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yep, about what I suspect too, except I would have said “bottom-6” instead of “top-9”.
Matsumoto is one I never understood. 3rd round pick, seemed a decent scorer, never got a call-up, then shipped to CAR for a 7th rounder. I never heard anything about him, let alone anything negative. I just don’t get why he was handled in such a manner.
I don’t really think there’s much difference between bottom six and top-9, since we’re both saying third liner. I just put a more optimistic ring around it :)
Matsumoto, I think, is Ville Leino-lite: All offense, no defense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
You know biologists use their eyes quite a bit. Open up a biology text book. It’s a picture book. A well trained eye is a powerful tool.
I just get annoyed with the “the eyes” snark, it’s rather flat footed. I know you know the argument is more nuanced. I’ m bitchy like that.
It might just be late, but I’m not quite sure I understand you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think that the eye test snark comes across as rather reductive and dogmatic though there’s more to the arguments. It just is hard to tell sometimes.
Also the “eyes” are rich with metaphor and this has gone unexplored. I’m an aesthete, I get bitchy about that shit.
i think this team could use Harry Z right now. I like his energy and I think he helped make things happen on that fourth line.
by bleedorangewhiteblack on Feb 13, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I didnt see the game yesterday, but nobody have said anything about a dirty hit. What did he do outside of been himself?
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
He got a 2-minute for charging. It was a mostly-clean hit. He was clearly hunting the player and hit him a little high. I didn’t see any head contact, though. Maybe a fine, I don’t expect a suspension though. No injury on the play.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
So basicly he is getting a hearing for been Rinaldo?
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I still think it was relatively clean. He left his feet because of the momentum of the hit. If he gets suspended for this, it will be because he is El Guano Loco, not for this particular action.
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It’s just so difficult to tell if momentum lifts the player or not. The one thing I can say for certain is that if momentum is lifting you off of your skates, you’ve finished the check high (or raised your body in the middle of the check). Which might be just as bad as actually leaving your skates.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
If you watch every check along the boards, the player embraces him self for the check and that way create upwards momentum. Take a look at how many checks along the boards end with the checking player leaving his feet after the hit.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
If anything, bracing for a check lowers your body, it doesn’t raise it.
Yes, many checks can result in feet leaving the ice, but that doesn’t mean they’re not all charging infractions.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
grumble.
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grumble-with-mouth-full
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It’s Monday. Everything aggravates me until the early afternoon.
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On Mondays, everything aggravates me until Tuesday.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you fucking kidding me!!!!! ESPN is blocking me from making any roster moves because I have JVR on IR and they decided last week that he’s day-to-day. They announced that he was going to play last Thursday (citing Seravalli, ironically), but I kept him on IR since I knew that was wrong.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I cut Horton from my one team because of his concussion
not my best moment lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Let's follow this chain of updates on JVR
- Feb 6: Van Riemsdyk (concussion) remains out indefinitely, PhiladelphiaFlyers.com reports.
- Feb 8: Van Riemsdyk (concussion) acknowledged some improvement when he spoke to the media Tuesday, but he’s still not ready to return to action, the Norristown Times-Herald reports.
- Feb 9: van Riemsdyk (concussion) could return to action Thursday against the Maple Leafs, Frank Seravalli of the Philadelphia Daily News reports.
- Feb 9: van Riemsdyk (concussion) was not on the ice for Thursday’s morning skate, Frank Seravalli of the Philadelphia Daily News reports.
- Feb 10: van Riemsdyk (concussion) did not practice Friday, Frank Seravalli of the Philadelphia Daily News reports.
- Feb 11: van Riemsdyk continues to battle post-concussion syndrome and may not return “for awhile,” Sam Carchidi of Philly.com reports.
HE’S NOT DAY-TO-DAY!!!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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yes, people don’t understand what day to day means. Day to day is the flu. Day to day is not a concussion
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
But since he’s labeled DTD now, I’m blocked from making any moves since I have an “ineligible player on IR”.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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until you make the appropriate room for him, yup. Or you could just drop him, depending on how many weeks you have left in the season
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m torn. There are 5 more weeks of the regular season, then the playoffs start. I’ve regained sole possession of 2nd place and am chipping away at the lead the first place team has over me. I could probably handle JVR sitting on my bench. But maybe he’s just not worth worrying about. Who knows when he will be back. And if anybody else tried to pick him up, they can’t put him on IR either, so maybe it’s safe.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
For what it’s worth, JvR was recently dropped in our league, was claimed on waivers, then dropped again and cleared waivers. I picked him up and stashed him on IR. If he had been DTD on Yahoo (not IR) I wouldn’t have picked him up.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
20 team BSH league.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 13, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
The good thing for me is that this is a league with coworkers and some other friends. They’re mostly Caps fans, aside from my dad and I. So the only person who would likely be interested in JVR is my dad. Caps fans won’t notice him.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Really? That sucks.
Yahoo still has him on IR. Yahoo is usually behind on these things, and for once, it is actually a positive.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 13, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
He has to still be on IR, it doesn’t look like we’ve sent Wellwood back down yet. JVR can’t be back on the active roster if there isn’t room for him there….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 13, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
OK guys since it’s that time of year, who do we think is playing through injuries that otherwise would be putting them on the shelf for a while? My bets are Mez and Coburn; their games just seem to be off to me.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Feb 13, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions
Honestly, I think Bryz has been playing hurt all year. That’s just a hunch. I think it’s his leg, the one he was getting worked on when he was discussing tiger poaching on 24/7.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 13, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Giroux, jagr, timmo, mez, coburn, jvr was, cooter, read….
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If the Flyers could just start winning again then everything would be rosey and we wouldn’t have to figure out who to blame, and who the Flyers need to acquire as a stop gap. The fact is, this team isn’t good enough to win a Cup this year. And that’s fine. I wish the ownership would accept that and not do something stupid at the trade deadline. Compounding previous bad mistakes by making another one is never good business.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Agreed.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
truthiness
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Seconded
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That’s just not how Ed Snider rolls.
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by A Flyers Phamily on Feb 13, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
Thirded. When we came into this season, did we expect the Flyers to be in contention? I didn’t. But just because we’re playing better than expected doesn’t mean we shoud go into the deadline in “win now” mode.
This is a great teaching moment for the young team. Get them some good experience and ready to be a legitimate contender next season. Not that I’m writing off this season, but I just don’t think the Flyers are a cup team just yet.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
At the beginning of the year I thought the Flyers were a 4-6 seed. Based on this whole season so far I think that is still the case.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And in the beginning of the season if I told you Pronger would be done for the year in November and Brzy would be put up a SV PCT < 0.900 you would have thought the Flyers would be contending for a top 5 draft pick and worrying about if they would finally draft a Russian.
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No I wouldn’t, but I guess I can appreciate that you think you can read my mind.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
sorry you wasn’t meant to be you personally just you as in us Flyers fans if that makes any sense which it doesn’t
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
I got you. The truth is, I expected the Flyers to struggle in areas that they have thus far excelled and excelled in areas that they have thus far failed, and thus, why I think that how the season has played out hasn’t really changed how I feel about this team, now and going forward.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I would have.
But that’s the point. The team is much better than many expected. Let the team continue to defy expectations and stand-pat, not doing anything stupid on the trade front.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
The fact is, this team isn’t good enough to win a Cup this year.
I don’t agree with that. I’m not advocating making a huge trade or sacrificing any of our young guys, but I think Holmgren should at least try to get a serviceable defensman. You have to at least try. Anything can happen in the playoffs. This isn’t the NBA.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
agreed drop a few picks at most on a UFA to be and hope for the best
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Why drop picks on a pending UFA and “hope for the best?” Keep your assets and use them in the future.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe, but what pending UFA of any value do you expect to get with a 6th or 7th?
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Of course, the devil’s in the details but like the mattsotheran said, who are you going to get for 6th and 7th round picks?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’d be willing to give up a 3rd rounder. And I don’t know. I’m sure there’s someone out there.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Again, what kind of return would you expect? I’d take Marc Staal for a 3rd, but Hal Gill for a 3rd is lopsided to me.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I guess I don’t place as much value on a 3rd round pick as you do. To get another defenseman that can help you in the playoffs is worth a 3rd rounder to me. What player you would get at that price is up for debate but I think that’s a price worth paying.
by mantis toboggan on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Again, to me it just depends. I wouldn’t mind using a 3rd to get a younger D with some upside, but I don’t want to waste it (IMO) to get a older, pending UFA D like Gill.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
A 3rd is practically worthless IMO. 1st and 2nd rounders only the ones I care about.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
A 3rd is practically worthless IMO.
Just like Hal Gill!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely not as crucial as 1st or 2nd rounders, but 3rds are certainly not worthless. Notable 3rd rounders in the 90s:
Chris Therien (1990)
Chris Osgood (1991)
Vaclav Prospal (1993)
Sheldon Souray (1994)
Chris Drury (1994)
Zdeno Chara (1996)
Brad Richards (1998)
Brian Gionta (1998)
I’m not implying all 3rd rounders are good (lol, Matt Walker, 1998) or bad, but the pick is certainly worth holding onto.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
There’s at least one Hall of Famer I see in there.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Chris Osgood?
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by MJDII on Feb 13, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
speaking of meh…i dont understand why people rate roy as a generational talent when his numbers arnt much higher than an above average goalie?
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His numbers are way above average, but he played in a different era where the numbers are very different.
He led the league in save percentage three straight years, and four of five — with .900, .908, .912, .906, and .914.
He was in the top ten in save percentage 15 times in his career and in the top five 9 times. He was unquestionably the best goalie in the years before Hasek came into the league and has a decent case for #2 goalie during the Hasek era.
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yea i didnt take era into effect
since now .900-.912 isnt anything too special
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Lidstrom was a 3rd rounder in 1989, if that counts.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 13, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
fun fact: picking up a position writing for free about television and movies for a comic book site having not enjoyed comic books as a child is perhaps not the right fit
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions
They expect a lot of comic references from you in writing about tv and movies?
by hebrew hammer on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
they expect me to review comic book shows, and if I’m reviewing a movie like Spiderman and get 1 tiny reference wrong, it’s like the world is ending
basically, they all seem like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, that seems difficult. I like some things about comics, especially after reading Watchmen, but I can’t even begin to hold my own with people who are really into them.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 13, 2012 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
What are we talking about here?
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
In the new Amazing Spiderman movie i called Peter Parker’s aunt and uncle his grandparents, and not his aunt and uncle
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
But where/who do you write reviews and such at/for?
And how you see Spidey already?!
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I will tell you that over fb when I get home. I’ve seen the trailer for the new Spider-man, and I comment and hypothesized on that
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Ahh.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
coburnscuddlebuddy
Worst.writer.EVER.
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Woops
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
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by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
coburnscuddlebuddy
Worst.writer.EVER.
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
there ya go
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure I would classify mixing up his Aunt and Uncle with his Grand parents a small reference. In fact, his Uncle Ben being killed is a rather big deal in the origin of Spidey. And I’m not even a Spider Man fan.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
and i don’t think it’s that big of a deal. If it were his grandparents being killed, the situation would be handled in the same exact way. my point is that the familial connections aren’t really important, as long as they’re of equal importance
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
If someone on here said that Bill Clement was a great Flyers captain, what kind of response would they get?
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
he wasn’t a captain?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
In Washington he was.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll be honest with you but my knowledge of the Flyers pre 2006 is very small. I didn’t pay attention to hockey much. Glanced over important Flyers things in the past, but for the most part, it’s only been within the last 5 years that i started being a huge hockey fan
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
If it were his grandparents being killed, the situation would be handled in the same exact way.
You have no way of knowing that.
my point is that the familial connections aren’t really important, as long as they’re of equal importance.
And you have no way of knowing this. None of us do. So in absence of that all we can comment on is what we do know.
I’m not trying to slam on you or anything like that, you made a mistake, whatever, we all do it. But I can see how people who are fans of Spider Man would get annoyed by that. Hell, speaking from personal experience, and not even as a comic book fan, I get angry when people get details wrong, whether they are major or minor.
And Shaun actually beat me to the point I was going to make. It’s not much different than if an announcer mixed up names of guys on the Flyers, that would, and has pissed us all off when it happens.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
but something like that wouldn’t piss me off, so it’s a difference of personal philosophy and what’s important. as long as they were both Flyers, I wouldn’t care all too much
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
But, see, comic book fans think a little differently.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough but it would annoy me. And now speaking as a comic book fan, they are very particular on details. VERY perticular.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
fair enough
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of, did you watch Walking Dead from last night?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
yes, it was superb. better than most of the 7 episodes of this season
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed. I really can’t wait until the introduce the character of The Governor. Oh it’s going to be amazing.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
aslong as they stay away from the love triangle and pregnancy crap, I’m cool with it. I want more urban exploration and combat
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t mind the pregnancy thing since it did and does play a role in the comics but they could do without the love triangle.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
more gruesomeness btw
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
what was the purpose of the arm falling off the back of the truck again?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
weak
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. They might have been going for the George Lucas style cheap laughs.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I was hoping it’d have significance, like maybe a recognizable watch or a tattoo of some sort. nope, just an arm
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
NO SPOILERS!!!!!
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Of course not. An arm falling out of a truck isn’t really a spoiler.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Thats just a crappy day!
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I didn’t read anything past the first mention of it to be safe.
Going to watch it tonight when I get home from work. Do you watch Talking Dead at all? I enjoy it. Bit fan of Chris Hardwick.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
A big fan even.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
nope, I abstain
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 13, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I have not. Is it worth it?
I did DVR the show with Kevin Smith that aired after Walking Dead. I’ll watch that tonight I think.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
It’s funny depending on who they have on the show. Certain people don’t add anything to it but there’s some decent behind the scenes stuff each week and if they have a particularly good comedian or a higher up like Kirkman it’s usually pretty good.
I watched Comic Book Men and it was interesting. It couldn’t decide if it wanted to be Pawn Stars or Real Housewives so it’s kinda in between. One thing is for sure, Bryan Johnson got fucking FAT! Also he’s got a terrible beard.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
If it were his grandparents being killed, the situation would be handled in the same exact way.You have no way of knowing that.
/Detweiler’d
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Not to pile on, CCB but I agree.
However, I can see how you might have made that mistake given the new trailer. In it Martin Sheen says “That belonged to your father.” Given Sheen’s age it’s not hard to infer it’s his gramps.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Playoff Seeding
You really have no say in determining it but if this team continues to struggle and gets passed by the Pens and Devils, it could be the best possible thing for them. I’ll take how you as a team are playing over where you are seeded anyday but if this slump continues yet they are able to get healthy (JVR) maybe trade for a UFA D-man like Gill or Allen then right things before the playoffs start, going in as the 6th seed might be their best option. Just to try and put more of an optimistic spin on things..
Facing the panthers would be choice
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
OT: Question for you writers and bloggers out there. I have a personal blog, nothing particularly interesting, just my musings about random things, but I fell behind in writing during grad school and pretty much stopped updating it. I’d like to get going again, but am having trouble. I enjoy having the blog and writing, but I feel bad about neglecting it before and it’s preventing me from re-starting. I feel like I’ll just fall behind and stop again. Any tips on how to get myself kickstarted and back into the habit of writing regularly? I’m thinking about adding a new category to write about the new ice cream flavors I make at home, just as something simple to write about that I know I will do regularly.
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Nope. I had two and stopped for a month…..that was 3 years ago.
I always liked to do lists if I was feeling particularly uninspired. My top 5 ____ or the 10 worst ____.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 13, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve been wanting to do the same thing, haven’t really kept a blog since 07. For me the key would be to create a schedule and stick to it. I also worked better under deadlines though.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 13, 2012 10:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I will say, one thing I learned while writing before is that short posts are okay. Everything doesn’t have to be a novel. In fact, sometimes writing novels about every subject can be bad. If I don’t have a lot to say, just put down what I have. Short can still be interesting.
Pictures are good too. (Naked women, of course, for M.)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I have been telling Ben for years now that a tennis hottie of the day would increase his traffic three fold.
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Back on-topic, it looks like you guys may have already done this, but I’m temporarily rescinding MAB’s BAMF title. I was not impressed with him last night. But I haven’t been able to see many games since December, so that’s why I say maybe it’s already happened. Hopefully he can re-earn his honorific.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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EuroGoalies
Has anyone actually seen Hovinen or Kovar play? Could either of these guys genuinely be an NHL goalie one day?
Are we talking Chris Mason NHL goalie or Ilya Bryzgalov NHL goalie?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Chris Mason was good in STL.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
True enough, and he has been pretty good in limited duty this year.
If I said Steve Mason would it make it any better?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yeah, but are they both Canadian?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the big news about Hovinen when we signed him was that he could be ready in a couple years.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, a lot of us are in the dumps about how we’ve played recently, and that’s to be expected. No one is jumping ship yet but we’re still one of the top 3-4 teams in the conference, in my opinion. Could we make it to the Cup? Prrrrrrobably not, but I could see the ECF on the horizon.
The thing is we do have an amazing young core group of players with a great veteran mix. If the team stays together and maybe adds a piece here or there in the off-season, the team’s chemistry should get better as a whole and we ‘should’ be on the upswing for the next several years. Sure there’s the questions of" trade who for what" or “move x players to make $Y available for Z free agent”, but that talk will always be going on.
My only fear is that the Flyers are going to be like last year where they just crapped out midway through February and all of March, and basically limped into the playoffs. It’s hard to watch the team have a great first half then suddenly bottom out.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
No one is jumping ship yet
Have you been reading the game threads? It anarchy
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My only fear is that the Flyers are going to be like last year where they just crapped out midway through February and all of March, and basically limped into the playoffs.
Apparently that really doesn’t matter
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They crapped out midway through February and all of March in 2010, limping into the playoffs. They won the Eastern Conference.
I’m not saying it doesn’t matter, I’m saying there’s a lot more to playoff success than record over the final 10 games.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Also maybe one of the editors can point us in the direction of the article, but didn’t Hockey Prospectus predict a 2nd half decline for the Flyers???
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
Yeah, from 54 point first half to 48 point second half. http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1234 But FWIW, Eric didn’t agree with it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
But FWIW, Eric didn’t agree with it.
Nice deflection there. :-p
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meh. I remember Eric had a problem with it, so I’ll present all information I have. It’s only fair.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I was a couple points more optimistic than them, but my criticism was more with the presentation than the data. I felt they cherry-picked to show just the stats that supported their point of view:
The Vollman article lists all of the bad things the Flyers have done and none of the good things.
Yeah, they lead the league in minor penalties taken. They also lead the league in minor penalties drawn, and have had 43 minutes more PP time than PK time.
Yeah, their 10.5% shooting percentage is unsustainably good. But their 90.2% save percentage is unsustainably bad, and their PDO (5-on-5 Sh% + 5-on-5 Sv%) is 1.001.
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So...
How good has Brayden Schenn been lately?
I can definitely see some of the comparisons with Mike Richards. I’d actually like to see him get some PK time. Unless he has been, in which case….ok.
by mattsotheran on Feb 13, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
He’s been in the right place at the right time which is good to see for an offensive player. Scoring is about timing and opportunity.
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I new +/- had value!
Dale Hunter made the decision on Thursday night to sit Mike Knuble, the first time the 39-year-old now-defensive specialist has been a healthy scratch since 2002-03. On Saturday, the reason why Hunter made the decision was revealed. “He told me I wasn’t going to play and just kind of said, ‘You haven’t scored in a while and have a bad plus-minus,’” Knuble told reporters.
Geoff and Eric just hit the floor!
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Why couldn’t the Flyers have hired Dale Hunter??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 13, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/44727-Getting-To-Know-Matt-Carle.html
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
Well, looks like I missed a bunch of fun discussions today.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I think having a team with 7 or 10 rookies has a lot to do with what’s going on which really isn’t that bad relative to the standings. In fact it’s pretty amazing. That’s half the god damn team.
Bryzgalov's sucks. And his contract.
Yes, for where we are the rookie factor is even more impressive than the Pronger loss, imo. We should be thrilled instead of in anguish.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 13, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you’re bored and hate yourself, head over to the Flyers facebook page. They posted a video of the guys playing some soccer to warm up on game days. The video is fun, but the comments will make you facepalm and/or headdesk.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I stopped reading facebook comments along time ago, people really post stupid stuff on there. I think its cool they warm up with soccer.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 13, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite is the obligatory reference to how the game should be called football not soccer.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 13, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
so in had a head desk moment
reading nhl.com some 1 suggested the flyers trade for suter(get out of town..) so the guy said carle and coburn for suter and blum and this was the response
hahahaha ill give you suter for giroux and a 1st rounder, thats the minimum
o.m.g.
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
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FWIW: to Travis et al
I opened the McCaffery/ delcotimes article in a new tab, and after a moment of reading, it redirected to an X-rated video site. And before anyone starts, NO, I wasn’t looking for/ at porn. Don’t know if others have had this problem but thought you should be made aware of this.
First time in ages I clicked on a McCaffery link.
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No porn site for me. :(
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