Tuesday Morning Fly By: Penguins Fans Are Proud to Be Bandwagoners
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:07 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- The Penguins asked their fans on twitter when and why they joined the bandwagon. No, seriously, they did: [SBNation.com]
- It's hard, but the Flyers need to avoid making a panic move to shore up their defense, since there are even more holes: [SB Nation Philly]
- Peter Laviolette was on a conference call talking about special teams, leadership, and more: [SB Nation Philly] [CSNPhilly] [delcotimes.com]
- Paul Holmgren spoke with Tim Panaccio about the trade deadline and the search for a defenseman: [CSNPhilly]
- Trade deadline talk and a look at some possible targets: [The Hockey Guys]
- Getting to know Matt Carle: [The Hockey News]
- Matt Carle and Ryan Suter, can you really tell them apart? I doubt it: [The Hockey Guys]
- The Future Flyers Weekly Report starring Nick Cousins, Brendan Ranford, and Brandon Manning: [Flyers Faithful]
We don't often do this, but there are so many links, we're going to have to ask you to jump to see the rest.
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So the Pens bandwagon link doesn’t work, or at least, it does not work for me.
And regarding the second link:
Rookies Matt Read and Couturier, as well as their first-round selection in the upcoming draft, should be off-limits in any negotiations not bringing a defender who will help not only now, but also in the future.
I would add Baby Schenn to that list, and I would also end the sentence after the word negotiations. And that is why I am so worried, I don’t think this team can get significantly better without dealing 1-2 significant pieces now. And they are going to need the Reads, Couturier and Schenn’s on the semi cheap to fill out and build the roster around.
Oh and PS: Way to overachieve Geoff.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/2/13/2796284/pittsburgh-penguins-fans-bandwagon-twitter
It’s pretty bad. The sort of thing that happens when people who don’t understand sport get the keys to the office with the computer in it.
There was a similar thing over here last year. My local football team Manchester City were just on the cusp of becoming real winners (Being bought by a Sheik will do that for you), so on the official website they posted “A bluffers guide to supporting…”. And it wasn’t a joke. The response from our rivals was merciless. And well deserved. Swiftly deleted, but not forgotten.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
Stuff like that gets filed under “You know what they wanted to accomplish, but damn was that an awful idea.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of. Do you ever visit Bitter and Blue ? Cause if not, you should.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I actually remember B&B from the days before it was an SBN blog. I hardly ever agreed with the opinions of the author back then, so I’ve hardly felt drawn towards checking up on it. It seems pretty quiet. So, nah. I’m not that interested in City that much anymore, truth told. My irrational love (and my season ticket) left when the club sold its soul.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
I have a friend who is a City fan and made the same comment regarding selling it’s soul.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yeah. The Thaksin Shinawatra era doesn’t get talked about anymore. A sad time, seeing the club (And the majority of its supporters) willing to embrace a despot just because he was willing to spend some money on a few new players. The takeovers have changed the club in more ways than its bank balance. Not what it was. It will be interesting to see whats left when the Oil money dries up and the bandwagoners follow. Not a lot, I fear. I know I won’t be going back.
…Man, this is pretty offtopic.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
Off topic is what we do here. Hang around a bit longer and you’ll see that.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
broad street hockey, off topic add topics like pros
by profoundnotions on Feb 14, 2012 12:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
maybe that wasn’t clear should have said a.d.d.
by profoundnotions on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What surprised me is who some of these fans converted from? I could see it maybe from a team who has been crap for years, or is new…maybe Columbus. But the Bruins? Leafs? I always thought they had some pretty loyal fans.
The one person who said they converted after Crosby scored in the Olympics. I can get behind that.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I could see it maybe from a team who has been crap for years,
That sounds like Toronto to me…
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 AM EST up reply actions
True but I was thinking more along the lines of a situation where a team was crap for a while, then bam the Pens come on the scene and it’s bandwagon time. With the Leafs, the last time they made the playoffs was 03-04, the Pens then won the Crosby draft and made the playoffs, two years, and one season later. So it’s not like there was a big gap you know? That was kinda of what I meant by that statement.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Looking at the pictures of people who replied…one of the Leafs fans is just a little girl. But another was born in 85. He should be pretty embarrased with himself. Thats far too old to change, especially away from your local team.
…Now where’s my damn Mass Effect 3 Demo.
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Ah, got it. Makes sense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
The olympics, really?
I can’t understand anyone saying the olympics making them a crosby fan. Despite being mentioned every 45 seconds, he was invisible at best, and a constant defensive liability to his team, until he got a fluke goal off a giftwrapped pass from Jarome Iginla.
No one who has the slightest clue about hockey could have been impressed by diverboy’s olympic performance.
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by Pelti on Feb 14, 2012 10:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
oh boy, i remember this same argument being made by someone else and it became a total flame out
/ducks for cover
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This is hysterical. I can’t get behind switching teams for Crosby’s goal. That’s as bad as the Pens fans who rooted against the US because of Crosby. If he’s scoring for you in the Olympics…he’s already on your team…
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
that's what you get for being a Manc.
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 14, 2012 9:13 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I fixed it. Only thing I can think for why it didn’t work is that I had to cut and paste it once I put a jump in. May have gotten lost in the transfer.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
, I don’t think this team team can get significantly better without dealing 1-2 significant pieces now
I disagree completely there are plenty of defenders who can make significant upgrades without costing much in return that article linked provides plenty of reasonable solutions. If the team keeps sliding in the standings Lavy is going to go back to the 4-D-Man rotation of 2009-2010.
The Flyers have to unburden Carle and if they don’t make a trade then Meszaros is going to get moved up with him. Carle, Kimmo, Coburn, and Mez are going to be in a 4 man rotation all getting 24+ minutes a night and the new Kracjek-Parent “Doomsday” pairing of Bourdon-Gus would be cut to < 10 minutes. I am glad Lavy hasn’t resorted to that type of desperation yet but if the Flyers continue to struggle he will and that is not reasonable for playoff success.
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Had a similar discussion the other day about players like Hal Gill, et. al. I’m inclined to agree that we’d have to drop 1-2 pieces for a decent return.
Essentially, you get what you pay for. If we’re only willing to drop a 4th or later, we’re not going to upgrade –
we’ll just change present flaws for different flaws.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Erm, I mean to bold that part, not quote it.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree completely there are plenty of defenders who can make significant upgrades without costing much in return that article linked provides plenty of reasonable solutions.
No it doesn’t. The article linked gives examples of defensemen that can be obtained without giving up anything of significance, but the guys the Flyers would get in return are not going to be significant upgrades. They are essentially guys you add for the sake of making a move. And it’s not going to make them that much better, so what is the point?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I disagree everyone on that list is a major upgrade over Bourdon and Gus. I am fine with one of them in a 5-6 role but not in my top4 role paired with Carle.
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They are upgrades over Bourdon and Gus. Absolutely. But again, those upgrades are not the difference between this team winning a cup and this team not winning a cup. So with that being the case, make those upgrades at the end of the season when all they will cost you is money and not assets. And yes, a 4th round pick is an asset.
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Agreed. If we give up assets for anything less than a bonafide, help-us-win-the-Cup player, we’ve over-spent.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t know you could foreshadow player acquisitions that would definitely make a difference between winning a cup or not. You never know and to hold on the a 4th round pick to not give your team and your players the best chance possible to succeed is a disservice to them, the organization your loyal fan bases. A 4th round pick seriously Marshall and Bourdon two second round picks can barely break in the NHL roster 4 years after they were drafted. I am sure Geoff can quote you the percent chance a 4th rounder has on making a impact on the team that drafted them.
A 4th round pick is an asset only in the sense that it can be used at the trade deadline to rent a player for a playoff run and that is what we are talking about here.
The Flyers haven’t drafted a 4th rounder of significance since the great Radovan Somik in 1995. Who played 2 season in the NHL both for the Flyers 7 years after he was picked. So I guess if you really looking forward to a 3rd / 4th line winger we will need a 2019-2020 season we should definitely hold on to that asset.
Look at the list of picks 3 – 4 rounders tell me which one made significant impact. Bartulis 3rd rounder once again 7 years ago is the best I could come up with post-lockout.
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Referring to 3rd picks:
Definitely not as crucial as 1st or 2nd rounders, but 3rds are certainly not worthless. Notable 3rd rounders in the 90s:
Chris Therien (1990)
Chris Osgood (1991)
Vaclav Prospal (1993)
Sheldon Souray (1994)
Chris Drury (1994)
Zdeno Chara (1996)
Brad Richards (1998)
Brian Gionta (1998)
I’m not implying all 3rd rounders are good (lol, Matt Walker, 1998) or bad, but the pick is certainly worth holding onto.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Therien (1990)
One of these things is not like the others …
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
you named 8 guys over 20 years drafted by 30 teams given 30 picks in the 3rd round per year that is by my calculation 30 × 20 = 600 8/600 = 1.3% chance
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Hahaha.
First of all, he said the 90s, which I don’t believe lasted 20 years.
Second of all, I don’t think “you only thought of eight guys” is the same as “there were only eight guys”.
Why not just use this link, which says that from ’97 to ’05, 7.4% of all guys taken between 51 and 100 (late 2nd to early 4th round) went on to be a 0.5 PPG forward (200 GP) or 18:30 TOI/g defenseman (200 GP, 0.15 PPG).
Those picks also produced a handful of goalies (most notably Emery, Quick, and Howard), so call it about a 9-10% chance of getting a top-5 forward, top-3 defenseman, or starting goalie in round 3.
They didn’t work out the numbers for lesser players, but I’d guess that it’s at least as likely that you get a bottom-7 forward, bottom-3 defenseman, or backup goalie. So overall, it’s probably about 9-10% you get a front-line player and 20% that you get a useful NHLer.
And remember that you get them at a considerable discount, which is a big part of the value. No, third round picks aren’t incredibly valuable by any means, but they’re nowhere near worthless.
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Thank you for the link and the percentages.
And not to nitpick and there is knowing there is no way to determine this but how many of those picks made an impact with the team that drafted them. These “assets” get moved around all time.
3rd picks are not worthless using one to acquire Bryan Allen for 3 months is also not worthless when I could mean the difference between advancing a round in the playoffs.
A 20% chance at landing an NHLer 5-6 years from now is worth a rental player IMO.
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I am just of the opinion to keep our draft picks as often as possible because you might find a diamond in the rough. Or more likely, a serviceable forward or D.
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
Bourdon was a third round pick, and defensemen take longer to mature, not to mention the Flyers never develop their own defensemen due to lack of patience, but there is something of value here: Chris has long believed that the Flyers should operate like the Yankees and Red Sox, trading young assets and draft picks for established veterans. This is one theory, and it has its strengths and weaknesses. I disagree, and my theory has its strengths and weaknesses.
But I think we would be better off discussing the differences in strategy as it applies to the Flyers, as opposed to how it applies in theory. Third round picks aren’t useless, Chris. They may be useless to the Flyers, which is where you should take your argument.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
what is nashville doing with their d prospects that we arnt?
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Good question.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Keeping them. We traded Sbisa away, and now look at him. We traded Eaton away. We traded Parent away. We traded Seidenberg away. Pitkanen. Woywitka. Niinimaa. Anisimov.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
woywitka and parent have never really made an impact elsewhere
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Would you rather have either of them over Gus and Marshall? Or over Walker???
Neither is a top-pairing guy, but 4-5 defenseman? Sure.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, why?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
The guy who played one shift of the SCF, on which he turned the puck over, fell down, turned the puck over again, dropped his stick, and then covered nobody until the Blackhawks scored and he got benched for the rest of the series? And has played 4 NHL games since and cleared waivers twice? You see him as a #4-5 defenseman?
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rofl goafuckery
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SCF series preview said the Flyers top 4 were great and Krajicek and Parent weren’t total goatfucks on ice. I registered to comment “good writeup, but you got one thing wrong: total goatfuck on ice exactly describes Parent.”
Then he played that one shift and was done for the series.
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drop the hyphen
You see him as a #4-5 defenseman?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, maybe? :) Seriously, there was so much talk at the time about how the way the team treated him and ruined him that I kinda agreed with. He wasn’t a superstar talent by any means, but he was a servicable defenseman. If he got broken by ONE PLAY … it’s hard to plan for that.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn’t just that one play at all. That one play was unusually bad, but yet strangely typical.
That year, Parent faced competition that was as weak as anything any Flyers defenseman has seen in the last five years and he finished with a Corsi Rel of -22. Seriously, -22.
Lilja this year is at -15. O’Donnell last year was -11. The great Randy Jones was -7 in ’08-09. Lasse Kukkonen was -15 in ’07-08.
Ryan Parent was -22. The team got outscored by 1.4 goals per 60 minutes that he was on the ice at even strength.
And that’s in the regular season. In the playoffs, he stepped his game up to a Corsi Rel of -26 and getting outscored by 1.5 goals per 60 minutes.
He was…not good. There was some speculation that part of his struggles were because he might be playing through an injury, but since he’s only played four games since then — and cleared waivers twice — I think it’s a pretty big stretch to say he was a #4-5 defenseman.
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For context, here’s a complete list of defensemen to play 40+ games in a season and finish with a Corsi Rel worse than Parent’s that year:
’07-08 Wade Belak
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If I lower the threshold to 20 games, you can add two players:
’09-10 Jeff Finger
’07-08 Jon Klemm
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I dunno – I at least recognize Finger and Belak’s names, but I don’t remember them as players. That means they were getting NHL minutes somewhere. Ergo, while perhaps not top-flight talent, they WERE NHL defensemen, unlike the majority of the losers the team has drafted or had in the system.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Belak had a 15-year career in which he averaged 7:18 of ice time and accumulated 1263 PIMs. You don’t recognize his tame because he was an NHL defenseman; you recognize his name because he was an NHL puncher (and/or because of his tragic death).
Finger was an 8th round pick who didn’t make his NHL debut until he was 27. He played a year and a half in Colorado and a year and a half in Toronto.
Anyway, returning to the original point: you implied that the Flyers had given up too early on Parent. I don’t disagree with your premise that the Flyers have consistently traded away defensive prospects, but Parent made it to the NHL, proved himself to be one of the least capable defenders in the entire league, was traded away, and basically never played again. He’s not a good example, and I certainly don’t agree with you calling him a #4-5 defenseman.
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Point taken. This is what happens when one goes by memory alone in ths forum, eh? :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I just read some link on PD that said a Canadian university created a hockey playing robot named Jennifer.
I’m sure that’s all they designed her to do…
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Just unplug it.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Keep Geoff outta this discussion please.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
For a robot Geoff’s memory sucks. Trust me.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Oh it’s terrible.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
true, but besides jonie i see most of them being a fill in like bartulis
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Sbisa is still improving; he’ll easily be a 4th D-man. Niinimaa was damn near a top-pairing guy. Seidenberg and Eaton are both solid 4th d-men. Woywitka coulda been a contenda …
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Or conversely, if those are the best defensemen the team has drafted, who the heck are their scouts???
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
we need to poach nashvilles scouts
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I know. But I couldn’t in good conscious direct people to a Ryan Lambert article without warning.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Homer....
So according to the CSN article he still thinks the problem with this team is poor goal tending???
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
No, Pinocchio thinks it is. He and Milbury think our goalies should stop goals from shooters two feet in front every time.
Seriously, I think Marcello and Dave are correct in calling out positioning as one of the problems. Along with that goes clearing out the front porch. The goals we made on Sunday were because of positioning. Unfortunately, Detroit’s goals were made the same way. On the other hand, controlling rebounds and not allowing soft goals are areas to be addressed by our goalies. But I think after making the initial stop, they are now victims of the tic tac toe because of poor positioning. This has got to be getting into their heads. Making a great save is hard to do when you have multiple saves from different angles to prepare for in a 3 second time span.
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Yeah, Homer actually pointed to several reasons other than goaltending. He’s been making a lot of sense recently…
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
i just think they should stop wristshots that go under the arm or five hole from the dots and the blue line
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Oh god, I just had a disgusting nightmare scenario where the Flyers move Bobrovsky for Nabokov. Why do I type this stuff out…I don’t want it and it wouldn’t happen in this world, right?
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
With Homer and Snider in charge it’s like a shoot out, a crap shoot. You never know what’s going to happen, and anything is possible.
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by LegionofDoom on Feb 14, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, lots of links.
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Sorry Geoff, I couldn’t resist.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
At least you made it Geoff-approrpriate.
I approve.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Most of those converts have to be in the 12-24 year old range. has to be
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 8:51 AM EST reply actions
Yea converts. The bandwagon fans themselves? It’s Pittsburgh, home of the bandwagon. All over the country are Steelers fans whose parents were bandwagoners in the 70s.
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There were plenty who weren’t mentioned in the article who said the converted after watching Lemieux/Jagr, too. Many of them were Oilers/Gretzky fans before that. /shocking
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Oops – missed this comment and said the same damn thing below. Apologize for repetition.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Seravalli...
Is a bloody idiot. The idea of the Flyers selling instead of buying at the deadline isn’t absurd on it’s face, but the argument that the Flyers were so good in the first half and have been so bad recently is terrible. He’s basically saying that, based on a smaller sample size (10 games) the Flyers overachieved over a longer period of time (the first half of the season). He might be right, but based on the relative sample sizes it would seem more likely that the Flyers are a mid-level contender that is playing below potential now.
I totally agree that we shouldn’t pay absurd prices for a rental player (especially Hal Gill, yuck. Didn’t we learn to avoid big slow defensemen a few years back?), but the ‘omfg we’re so bad sell sell sell’ argument is sad.
But, the fact that he made it isn’t all that surprising, is it?
I don’t agree with it, necessarily, but I like that he came up with an idea that goes against current conventional thinking. It makes for interesting reading.
One way in which it does make sense is connected to what I thought was the most important part of the story. If Holmgren is correct that everyone is a potential buyer, the market can be exploited by sellers. The fact that only three trades have happened compared to 17 at this point last year is evidence that there’s not much supply (though there could be other reasons).
I really like Matt Carle. But why not make him available if everyone wants a top 4 defenseman and I think he’s going to be too expensive to sign and I think I can fleece another GM who overvalues Carle and has the $$ to make him more than a rental? I don’t want to give up on this season but the trades last summer had three parts A.) We need the big name goalie B.) We’re focusing on the future with our forwards C.) our elite defense will prop us up till we get there. C hasn’t happened. If Pronger doesn’t come back point “C” is gone. That’s not giving up on the season; that’s shifting strategy to deal with reality.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
id take a 1st rounder, an A prospect,a B prospect for carle….1st rounder and ellis for carle…i mean if he and suter are so alike why not a 1st ellis and blum?(not like it would happen) or a 1st luke schenn idk what else they have
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Exactly. Frank gets a lot of crap on here and I don’t understand it. He thinks about his stories in ways nobody else currently on the beat does. You may think the headline or the theory is ridiculous, but when you read what he writes, you see that he thought it out and there’s a valid point.
You don’t have to agree with him to acknowledge the value in his reporting.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Today, yes, Frannie gets props. It is an interesting theory, albeit one to which I don’t fully subscribe. However, some of the things he writes are just WAY out there, and seem disjointed from the reality of the team and the league. It’s likely more the overall degradation of ‘reporting’ – in the quest for being first, being right has gotten insignificant (per Hintzy’s post above).
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, speaking of being first vs being right, you remember my rant last week about the guy who tweeted that Maryland’s QB was transferring, only to be shortly followed by the QB tweeting that he was still a Terp? Well it turns out the first tweet was right and the QB was full of crap, he really is leaving. Heh.
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He is a bloody idiot. I’m still mad at him for spreading obviously-false information that JVR would return to the lineup last week, causing ESPN to change his status to DTD, causing me to have to drop him because I had an “ineligible player on IR” and it blocked me from making any moves until I took him off IR. All because he’s an idiot and thinks a guy who still can’t bear to skate every day without suffering concussion symptoms is ready to play.
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Did JVR skate that day?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Nope
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Earlier in the week, but not that day. And not since, I believe.
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Earlier in the week? Leading up to that game? The same day Frank published the story?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
He skated on Tuesday, possibly also Monday. Afterwards, he met with the media and said he had improved some but was not ready to play. (“I’m not feeling great yet, or even good enough to play yet, but I guess if I do look at now versus when I started, I do feel a little bit better, so that’s been a little bit encouraging.”) Looks like he practiced on Wednesday. On Thursday, he did not skate, but Frank said he’d play that night against the Leafs.
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I’ll take your word for it since I’m too lazy to look any of this up.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
Loved the tweet from the Caps fan!
Hahahahah Did @pghpenguins REALLY just ask everyone how/if they converted to being a Pens fan? #1reasonCapsfansarebetter
THAT. IS. CLASSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Caps Fans, what a bunch of douches. “It’s all your fault!”
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Interesting read on the second link. I will take his comments a bit further in terms of untouchables. I think Coots and Schenn should be off-limits. And while I like Read and Simmonds a lot, I would be willing to let them go for a young, upcoming D-man (think L. Schenn or Ellis in Nashville; not saying just one-for-one either..).
Interesting point about the lack of size up the middle. I remember this being an issue when Richards and Carter left, but honestly, I haven’t seen it as much of a problem. That is, until recently. What about going after somebody like Martin Hanzal from Phoenix?
I would also add Bobrovsky to the untouchable list (unless the trade includes a player named Lindback, Schneider, or Rinne)
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, because I said we should do that straight-up!
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
I would actually murder people to see Pekka Rinne wearing a Flyers jersey
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
only if they take bryzgalov as well…i dont want 14 million a year invested in goalies
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Why do you hate Rinne?
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
What’s wrong with Rinne? Other than his contract, of course.
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He’s saying he’d kill to have him in a Flyers jersey. I think the guy likes Pekka.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Oh! Silly me. Carry on!
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Ha, yeah I love Pekka Rinne. I wish there was some sort of trade in the world that existed outside of capgeek in which we could acquire him though…
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
JVR and bryz for rinne
by profoundnotions on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kind of OT...
I was just wondering has there been a BSH Radio since #47? or is GoogleReader screwing things up for me.
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BSH and Eric getting a link n mention on PD:
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Carle shouldn't be the whipping boy
of fans on this board. That role should be reserved for the $4.5 million dollar defenseman that has sucked all year long, Braydon Couborn.
idk about all year long…remember when he got the extension and started fighting scoring and playing out of his gord, he’s been steady until around january when the whole team started to slide
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Neither should be the whipping boy, honestly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
It’s wierd. I like our D-men, just not so much how they’ve played.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Samsies.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I like our top 4, but we need two more like them. Sorry, Gus and MAB, I love you guys, but you’re not quite there yet.
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That’s why they’re a great bottom pairing. Cheap D-men with a future and an upside, as opposed to yet another veteran 1 year rental.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
The trouble is running low on defensive depth towards the end of a deep playoff run. We basically played four guys in 2009-10 and they had nothing left by the time we got to the Finals.
I mean, I hear ya. I’m not advocating a huge move for a top defenseman. Not at all. Maybe a slight upgrade to the 3rd pairing would be nice, so we can use it with a little more confidence and give the top 4 a breather.
But either way, all 6 need to play better right now…
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Hmm?
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Neither. How about the $6.5 million center who has yet to earn that astronomical sum in his entire tenure? Or the #6-highest paid goalie in the league who is #61 in SV%? Or the fact that there’s almost $8.5 million in salary sitting on LTIR at the moment? Or even there’s a $1.7m defenseman and a $1.5m goalie playing for the AHL team?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
The problem recently has been clearing the crease. the opposing teams don’t fear getting in front. We look like the damned canadiens out there.
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We look like the damned canadiens out there.
You mean the team currently employing our Savior, Hal Gill, Clearer of Creases?
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 14, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is true. Also, if we were a little more sound defensively in general, the crease wouldn’t need so much clearing. If the kids don’t track in the mud it doesn’t matter if mom is lazy about sweeping.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Did someone just insult Cobie?
AND spell his name wrong?
I knew there was a reason to read through the board today…
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Need a quick response. Sending something to TD garden today for work. Should I include some anti-bruins sentiment?
/Pretty much unfire-able.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions
Found the lady on facebook, her profile picture is her 4 kids and her posing around the cup. I no longer want to do something mean.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
http://www.facebook.com/mary.pedersen2
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
At least our women don’t have beards
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
send an invitation to the whitehouse
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Hahahahaha
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
what really funny is they are still talking about it on the hockeynews..stalking thomas’s status updates like a champ
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my vote
I don’t care if they swept us last year, they still choked the year before.
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my stance is the stanely cup has been handed out every year for decades(minus lockouts) only 4 teams in all of major league sports have choked like the bruins did
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
that’s exactly the same way I look at it and say to all bruins fan when they act like they’ve been a dynasty the last decade because of one cup
by profoundnotions on Feb 14, 2012 12:40 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
How dare you post this and not this.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
That lost it’s meaning for me last year when they didn’t.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
by Christopher A on Feb 14, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’ve tried hauling out the 2010 choke with my friends who are Bruins fans and it has no bite after last year.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
or this year
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
It’s still a monumental collapse. They can’t take it back no matter how many cups they won. Like reaper said there have been a ton of SC champs but only 3 times has a hockey team screwed the pooch in such fashion.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. In a way it’s disconnected from what came after. But wouldn’t it be better if the Flyers had choked in 2010 and won the Cup last year?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, is it possible to compile a custom list/roster on behindthenet.ca?
I want to put in a roster of players on my fantasy team and compare their PPG and stuff with players from another proposed trade and now that playoffs start in a week, I want to make sure it’s a good move to accept or decline it.
Sorry, I don’t think there is a way.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Sure you can
For instance:
just have to edit the names (you can have as many as you need), and change the categories you want as needed.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously? That’s awesome. I had no idea.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Rick Nash? Welllllllll......
I was just reading that Glen Sather met with Homer, supposedly about Nash. I think we all know we need a D-Man more than anything (which is exactly why I wouldn’t rule out the Flyers FO going after a forward), but I can’t help but get excited about the possibilities of having Nash up front for us. It doesn’t sound like it’s real likely to happen (he’s more likely to end up in a Rangers sweater – gross) but Nash is on a short list of offensive players I’d give up JVR or one of our rookies for. And here’s to praying Homer isn’t trying to get Carter back…
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by Henry al-Sirat on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions
Honestly, I think the Nash situation stinks. I don’t like the idea of him possibly going to the Rangers and I don’t want to entertain what would be necessary to move him into an orange sweater. I want to see Scooter, Read and Schenn in Philly for a long time. I just don’t see a JVR/Betts combo or anything similar being enough value, unless throwing in a 1st rounder is valuable enough to Columbus…I mean it might, considering their #8 pick just earned us Couturier, but I don’t see it happening. We don’t really need more scoring, but we also don’t need Nash going to the Rangers.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
Wouldn’t it be funny though if the Rangers got Nash and the trade inadvertently made the team “collapse” and tank the remainder of the season?
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
Nash isn’t old enough for the Rags.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
i would totally do carter for jvr and a 2nd…then we can say we got voracek cooter and cousins for jvr..and howson would be nailed to the ceiling of the jackets arena
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besides we need a 2 way center, and i think that trip to purgatory may light a fire under carters ass
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I disagree. Reemer wants to do well here. Carter likely wants to see us burn.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
he may want to do well but it doesnt mean he will.besides i would think carter would pick coming back to philly over staying in columbus any day of the week
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not to mention if he does we move him and have cleared up 10 mil in cap space for next year, inn which we go after some major d men this free agency
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
It also means we’re get hit with Carter’s NMC.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
im not so sure, seeing as it became void in columbus, im not so sure we would have to honor since it was already voided
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Carter could make an argument though; and the union could file a grievance if they feel the Flyers should honor it since they initially offered it.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
well if he files a grievance that takes time b$ its ruled on…couldnt they just trade him then?
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Haha, like 30 mins later went back and read this and realized I said Sather. Whoops. Meant Howson…
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by Henry al-Sirat on Feb 14, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Where the fuck do you fit $7,800,000 in cap hit on this team? Just askin’.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
You trade away stars and leaders of your team who are signed to semi cap friendly contracts.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Ding.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Like Homer would ever do that. Hah!
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Wow, listening to the War Room on NHL radio right now….The Flyers were just named the dirtiest team in the NHL? Really? I know we have physical players, but dirtiest in the league? Come on.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
And this was a poll by the way, of NHL players, according to the show
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
apparently boston wasnt one of the picks?
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I really don’t need to say anything else.
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Suck it, Phaneuf
Can you say wagon of the bands?
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by Chemistry66 on Feb 14, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
But isn’t there a regular here who likes players and not teams?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you got a problem with me liking John Carlson and Joe Pavelski?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Did you start their bandwagons at least?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
No. I started Calvert’s though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
So what are you going to title the book?
A Bandwagon of One
Three Wheels Shy
No, That’s Calvados
Circle the Wagon: My Years in Columbus
Matt Cualvert: Underpassing all Expectations
I suspect he’s better than all that.
Did you know that his first game in juniors was with a team called the Flyers, in which he collected 15 penalty minutes?
And that he scored a natural shorthanded hat trick in juniors?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
No and no.
For shame.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
well, the legend grows then
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve had him on my fantasy teams each of the last two years, so probably the 10 playoffs?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 15, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up liking players and not teams. The Flyers are the only team I’ve stuck with after they traded away players I liked. I think its much easier to switch team alliances if you live somewhere without pro sports teams.
Living in Philly is def. what made me a lifer for Flyers Hockey.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I think it’s clear what needs to happen: Sestito to defense
Of Philadelphia:
I always think it's a sign of victory when they move on to the ad hominem.
Sigh. I miss Sami Kapenen.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
One of the fastest evarrr.
I still have the winter olympics poster with Forsberg, pitkanen, kapanen, etc.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I has a sad now
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have a gut feeling that what ever the Flyers do it is not going to help but fuck us.
I wasn't even a year old but I stayed up to be outside the Vet with my Dad and Mom when the Phillies won the World Series 1980.
wow did i read the last part of that sentence wrong
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Yeah, for some reason I woke up this morning and had a distinct feeling that Homer’s gonna do something soon thats gonna piss me off.
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
It may help butt fuck us though.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Going to my first-ever Flyers Wives carnival this weekend. Any pointers?
Also, OT but just got tix to the Sixers-Warriors March 2 game. They are giving away 2×2 pieces of the floor from Chamberlin’s 100pt game in Hershey which was exactly 50 years ago March 2. That shit is worth more than the price of admission. Suh-weet.
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just enjoy the atmosphere. talk to anyone you can, everyone cool and will chat with fans if they can
Yeah, it’s too late for me to get autograph tix at this point. Oh, well. Maybe I can dunk Shelley or something. LOL.
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Meanwhile in Washington, Ovechkin dives without the aid of a pool underneath him.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Certain guys will sign stuff for you if you hang around to get their attention after their autograph sessions are over. Last year Betts and Nodl were at a video game station together, and since only one played at a time the other was signing stuff.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
I haven’t been to one since I was a kid. I remember it was fun, there were players everywhere we could talk to, and we won stuff. They gave away tons of free stuff. Don’t know if it’s still like that, but I hope it is.
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Probably isn’t as much like that anymore due to ways to make more money through “autograph booths” and the like. But still should be cool. I want one of those quilts made out of all the playoff shirts.
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I distinctly remember a big pile of boxes in the center of the floor of the Spectrum with mystery prizes in them. I think everybody got one, or maybe one per family? Either way, it had a Flyers duffel bag in it that I still use for my volleyball stuff.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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I went when I was 6 and I got to score on Hextall. If Bryz is taking shots, go glove side & low.
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
or take a weak wrister from 20 feet out
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Stopped reading at Sixers.
Flyers carnival is fun! Shoot on the goalie! If they still have it. If it’s Leighton, go five hole.
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Sixers are fun, even if the NBA isn’t. Eat it, Pardini.
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So you were the one bringing the Sixers bad luck? ;-)
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Aside from ruining a draft pick, what is the point of this Sixers’ season? Can we get a good basketball player this offseason?
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I like team basketball. They are fun to watch. We’ve never been horrible enough in the recent past to get a really good difference-making draft pick; that’s the issue with the NBA. I can’t root for losses, even if it’s better for the team in the long run. Sorry.
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never stopped the penguins from intentionally sucking
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Through luck of the NBA lottery ball draw (Gagne’s hockey stick!!!). They still didn’t finish that poorly that year.
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I mean, they weren’t good, but they weren’t the bottom feeders, either. They got soooo lucky when they got the Turner pick.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Yeah, I get where you’re coming from — they weren’t one of those truly terrible teams with win totals in the teens. But they were 27-55, and only two teams were worse than 25-57, so it seems like they were right in the mix.
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Yeah, but I don’t think they could be that bad this year if they intentionally tried to tank.
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So … is it just age-discrimination that I think anyone who’s a fan of the Pens AND on Twitter is far more likely to be too young to have seen Lemeiux on the ice in his prime? I mean, before the first retirement (pre-1997). Realistically, that means you’d be at least 25 years old now, and more likely older than that. I don’t know all that many 30+ year-olds on Twitter. So my theory is that the polling is skewed to find the younger fans anyway; ones who may well have become fans just in the Crosby era.
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There were several people who replied to the tweet saying “I was a fan of [other team — often the Oilers] until I saw Lemieux and Jagr and then I was a Pens fan”. I just didn’t include them in my RT’s because I had plenty of more recent converts to make fun of.
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Well in all seriousness – before SuperMario and Jagr got there, no one gave a damn. The team flirted with bankruptcy several times, and had basically no marquee players. And in a town where football was everyone’s favorite sport, and second favorite as well, they didn’t have much way to make inroads.
Once they DID, however, the flocking of fans away from the team is what one can easily question/ridicule.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Are you implying that we can’t question/ridicule a fanbase where nobody gives a damn for 27 years but then flock to the team once they have premier superstars?
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1967 – 1984 is only 17 years. Once SuperMario started playing, the fans shoulda cared. I know I did, although I was torn between the Hextall/Tocchett/Zezel Flyers and the early Lemeiux Pens. It was only towards the very late ’80s that I threw my support fully behind the Pens. And then I was a Pens fan right up until Richie and Carter got promoted to the NHL club (I did watch them with the Phantoms) and I started pulling for the Orange and Black again.
In my defense, I was only 11 in 1984. I am kinda assuming that most people become ‘fans’ around that age. That may or may not really be the case.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Once SuperMario started playing, the fans shoulda cared.
You didn’t directly answer my question, but I’ll take this to mean that your answer is that we can’t question/ridicule a fanbase where nobody gives a damn about the team until/unless they have the best player in the league.
I disagree. It’s possible — and should be expected — for a city to embrace a team even before they are good. Recent examples include Minneapolis, Winnipeg, and even freaking Nashville.
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Using Minneapolis and Winnipeg is cheating – they HAD well-loved and well-established franchises in recent history.
Nashville has had ‘stars’, just not success. It took them a bit to catch on too – their first two seasons weren’t raising the roof, I don’t think. But having Vokoun as your goalie, backed up by Dunham and Mason … not a bad start.
Mind you, I’m not saying that the early Pens teams were TOTALLY devoid of talent, but given a choice between watching Pens or Steelers, the Steelers in the early ’70s were no contest. The Titans in the late ’90s … not so compelling.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
OK, so when looking for other places that embraced their teams, I can’t count…
…Buffalo, because they went to the SCF in their fifth year
…Calgary, because they went to the SCF in their sixth year
…Carolina, because they went to the SCF in their fifth year
…Colorado, because they won the Cup their first year
…Edmonton, because they had Gretzky
…Florida, because they went to the SCF in their third year
…the Wild, because they had a team previously
…Nashville, because they had ‘stars’ and weren’t exactly raising the roof (though they outdrew Pittsburgh in four out of six pre-lockout years, including their first two)
…New Jersey, because they had Brodeur and Cups
…the Islanders, because they won four straight Cups
…Ottawa, because they had 90+ points in years 7-15 (100+ in six of those)
…Philadelphia, because they won Cups in years 7-8
…Quebec, because they had 90+ points in years 5-7
…St Louis, because they went to the SCF in years 1-3
…the Jets2, because they had a team previously
Let’s see then, is anyone left?
How about the North Stars? You already called them a well-loved and well-established franchise, but they went 13 years without having 90 points, a division win, or a SCF appearance.
Or the well-loved and well-established first Jets, who in 17 years had only one 90-point season, no division wins, and no SCF appearances?
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Sorry. The North Stars and Jets played indoors where it was 130 below outdoors. People stayed there between games so they wouldn’t die of exposure.
They weren’t embracing the teams. They were embracing each other.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha. OK. Well, congratulations on having the only fanbase that uniquely combined the following elements:
- A team that didn’t win anything for 17 years
- A team that had no stars like Vokoun (and his .908, .904, .910, .903 save percentages the first four years)
- Weather that is cold enough for people to know what hockey is but not so cold that they are forced to go to games for their very survival
I guess since no other city combined all of those elements in exactly that way, we can’t make any comparisons of the Pittsburgh fanbase and their decision to completely ignore the team until Mario showed up.
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You’re missing my point. You are free to ridicule them for not cheering the team until Mario’s arrival. It is your choice, of course. But the Pittsburgh fans weren’t as hungry for a new team as Philly was, for instance. You may ask why that matters; I refer you to the fact that football is practically a religion in PA outside of Philly. Look at how JoePa’s dismissal and subsequent death was such huge news – the man coached a friggin’ college team. He wasn’t a Nobel Prize winner or a President, but people acted like God now had competition in heaven with Paterno’s arrival there. You want a bad place to start a hockey team? Pick someplace with no knowledge of the sport, with very little middle-income upward movement (ie disposable income), and with a title-winning team in the favored sport for the region.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
You want a bad place to start a hockey team? Pick someplace with no knowledge of the sport, with very little middle-income upward movement (ie disposable income),
Not to pile on, but that sounds like Philly, too. Just sayin’.
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True.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa Eric – where did I say that it was a unique thing? I was refuting two of your three examples, in saying that no matter how bad the previous incarnation was the ‘return’ was much heralded in both Minnesota and Winnipeg. Some markets definitely embrace hockey more quickly – with Philly being a fine example – than others. All I’m saying is that Pittsburgh was not a natural hockey town, had no interest in the team until it was somewhat decent (and yes, that meant having the second best player ever on the squad), and in competing with the multiple-title-winning Steelers, the Pens never had a chance. How many titles were the Eagles winning when the Flyers started playing? How ‘bout the Phillies? No??? Sports fams were LOOKING for someone to root for here when the Flyers came to town; in Pittsburgh they already HAD someone to cheer for all the time. It’s harder to sell a new product to someone who is already satisfied with the one they have, is it not? That was my entire point – so frankly, you wasted your time on most of that list above.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know why I’m continuing, but here’s the situation in October 1967:
The Eagles won a championship six years earlier and are coming off a 9-5 season.
The Steelers have never won a championship and are coming off a 5-8-1 season (2-12 the year before), 4-9-1 that year, 2-11-1 the next year, 1-13 the year after that…)
The Phillies are wrapping up their sixth straight season over .500 and are three years removed from coming within a hair’s breadth of the World Series.
The Pirates had 90-win, third-place seasons the two previous years but are finishing at .500 in sixth place that year. They will outperform the Phillies over the next several years, but at that time the recent histories are similar.
The Sixers have just gone 68-13 and won the championship and are in the middle of three straight years winning the division with the best record in basketball.
Pittsburgh has no team.
I don’t know why you insist on distorting facts to try to fit your viewpoint — well, I think I do, actually — but it’s ridiculous to say that in 1967 Philadelphia was LOOKING for someone to root for and Pittsburgh was already focused on title-winning teams. Since, you know, nobody in Pittsburgh had ever won anything at that point and two Philadelphia teams recently had.
The facts are simple: Pittsburgh fans ignored the hockey team for 17 years and only started to care when they had arguably the two best players in the game. This is what defines a bandwagon fan, and it’s not something that happens in every city.
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I’ll only say this: your ‘facts’ section is absolutely irrefutable. And basketball sucks, so no one cares that Pittsburgh doesn’t have a team.
:)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Basketball doesn’t suck; the NBA does. Get it right!
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Sorry – I grew up a short white kid in the city public schools. Basketball in general sucks.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up a short, white girl in the country. Still love the sport.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Because you weren’t ridiculed for not being able to play well. I was.
And frankly, any game where a ‘foul’ consists more of ‘bad touch’ than actual contact, I just don’t enjoy it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I grew up as a short (mostly) white kid as well. Basketball can be an incredibly dirty sport :D
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Just to be clear – the Steelers could have gone winless, and Three Rivers would have been packed every game. Until the Pens were notable, no one cared. If that’s ‘bandwagon’ then it is.
No one liked Tastykakes until all the little mom-and-pop bakeries died off. Same theory.
By your definition, I am a bandwagon fan. So be it. I don’t cheer for the Phillies, but only because baseball bores me. I don’t cheer for the Sixers because basketball is a waste of time. I don’t cheer for the Eagles because I don’t like their style of play, and never have (the post-Bednarik Eagles, that is). I liked the Flyers when they played hard-nosed hockey (what many CALL Flyers Hockey) but then for quite some time they got away from that in my eyes. (I still watched, but with less fervent interest.) What SuperMario did on the ice amazed me, and when paired with Jagr the plays were simply astounding – far beyond anything even Gretzky was doing, because he didn’t have a ‘Jagr’ on his line. So I became a Pens fan. I still have a Jagr jersey in the old early-‘90s pattern with the dorky looking penguin on it. But then … the Pens slid as well. I actually stopped caring about hockey for a while there in the start of the century. But then the Phantoms started winning with these two dynamic young players at center – and I started paying attention again because their style of play was very ’Flyers’. I like hardnose sports, be that hockey, football, or rugby (and yes, there are differences in rugby teams). The fancypants teams don’t interest me; blood and hard work are the hallmarks of the teams I respect.
So … satisfied?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
This was never really about you, for the record. You were a kid; kids don’t count.
But I do find it interesting that you say you want hardnose sports and not fancy pants teams in the same paragraph where you say you became a fan of the Pens because of Lemieux and Jagr and never liked the style of the Eagles (whose best teams were fueled by the elite, aggressive defenses of Marion Campbell, Buddy Ryan, and Jim Johnson).
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Aggressive defensive schemes, yes. By that, they took a lot of risks with blitzes. They did not really have a blue-collar nose-tackle style defense, and they certainly didn’t have a hardnosed offense (nothing ‘West Coast’ is hard, except East LA). The Eagles D wasn’t the problem for me; the offense was. Reggie White was a great defensive player, but in terms of the style of play I love, Jack Lambert is more to the point. Nasty, not flashy. For the record, Jagr and Lemeiux appealed because (unlike Gretzky) they actually did muck in the corners and hit people. Kinda like Carter, Richie, and Ovie now. I’ll take that kind of player any day over a pretty-boy player like Hossa or Kovalchuk.
And I know it isn’t necessarily about me; but again, I am assuming that a lot of the Sidney Crosby fans were ‘younger’ when he started in the league. If my actions at 10 or so were forgiveable, then we can forgive all the little snotnose bastards rooting for Crybaby now.
I always figured bandwagon fans were drawn to wins, not players. Perhaps a mild distinction, but you can put a superstar on a team and still be irrelevant, no? I mean, by 1995 the Kings attendance dropped to around 13,000 a game – with Gretzky on the squad. I dunno – is the hype more than the facts demonstrate?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
They did not really have a blue-collar nose-tackle style defense
Charlie Johnson and Jerome Brown (both two-time all-pro tackles) would disagree.
Reggie White was a great defensive player, but in terms of the style of play I love, Jack Lambert is more to the point. Nasty, not flashy.
I don’t know anyone who would describe Reggie White as flashy.
For the record, Jagr and Lemeiux appealed because (unlike Gretzky) they actually did muck in the corners and hit people. Kinda like Carter, Richie, and Ovie now. I’ll take that kind of player any day over a pretty-boy player like Hossa or Kovalchuk.
I guess style is subjective, but I don’t think if you took a poll of neutral third party observers that a lot of them would say that Lemieux and Jagr (or Carter, for that matter) were rugged muckers and hitters. They’re certainly a lot more flashy than nasty.
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I point you to the philosophical difference, if not actual positional difference, between ‘nose tackle’ and ‘tackle’.
You don’t think that in the Eagles defensive scheme Reggie got more sacks at the possible expense of ‘holding the line’ against the run? He had 198 sacks in 15 years. Lambert had eight (8) sacks in 10 years. Sure – he was a linebacker, but by comparison Seth Joyner had 37 sacks in 8 years with the Eagles when Reggie was there. That demonstrates pretty clearly that the defensive philosophy was different – in the Eagles case it was all about the upfield rush, in the Steelers case (at that time and arguably to this day) it was about giving ZERO ground.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t think that in the Eagles defensive scheme Reggie got more sacks at the possible expense of ‘holding the line’ against the run?
From ‘88 to ’92, the Eagles ranked 6, 7, 1, 1, and 5 against the run. At 6’5" 291, Reggie was as big as most tackles, and a huge part of why they were so good against the run.
Lambert had eight (8) sacks in 10 years.
No, Lambert had eight sacks in two years, one of which was shortened by strike. For the first eight years of his career, sacks were not recorded. And even at 30-31 years old, he was getting more sacks per game than Seth Joyner did.
All of which is beside the point: you implied that Reggie White was flashy, not nasty, which to me means either you are again twisting things to support your point of view, your memory is terrible, or you never saw Reggie White play. White was a tough, strong, physical player.
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No, actually you’re twisting things just to be argumentative at this point. I am not contesting that the Eagles didn’t rank well against the run – but their defense played with the philosophy that backfield penetration was more important than maintaining the line of scrimmage. You coudl possibly argue that their philosophy was proven CORRECT by those numbers you listed, but not that what I said was wrong.
And you may be right about the stats on Lambert; I just grabbed them. But two years being 8 sacks is nowhere near ‘more sacks per game than Joyner did’ – Joyner had five or more sacks per season in six of his twelve seasons, or over half of his career.
Yes, I implied that White was flashier than Lambert. I stand by that assertion. Lambert perhaps could have been such a player in a different scheme, but he wasn’t. Reggie was. I do acknowledge that White was a fabulous defensive player, but I’d wager that (if such stats were kept then) Lambert averaged more tackles per season than any Eagles linebacker in the modern era. That doesn’t negate that White was a tough, strong, physical player. But I guarantee you that in a poll, NO ONE would say he was a nasty player. And EVERYONE would say Lambert was.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
But two years being 8 sacks is nowhere near ‘more sacks per game than Joyner did’ – Joyner had five or more sacks per season in six of his twelve seasons, or over half of his career.
Perhaps you missed the part where I said “one of which was shortened by strike”. Lambert had 8 sacks in 23 games over those two years. That’s more than one per every three games. Joyner had 37 sacks in 120 games in Philly (less than one every three games) and 52 in 195 for his career (also less than one every three games).
Other than that, I think I’m done with this conversation. It’s just bizarre to me that you could think of Reggie White as a flashy player, but it’s clear that arguing that point is unproductive. I’m guessing you didn’t lose interest in the Steelers in the mid-90’s when they became known as Blitzburgh, so I’m guessing this isn’t coming from a rational place.
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Oh, I missed the last one. Sure – I don’t say that Jagr is a rough-and-tumble type. But as a skill player, he’s more prone to digging in the corners than Hossa, and some of Lemeiux’s hits were pretty damn good. And Carter, you may remember, broke into the NHL as a Jordan Staal type of player, one who played defense exceptionally well at the expense of obvious offensive talent. In those years, he used his body quite extensively; I posit that only since he became a ‘scorer’ has Carter been hitting less.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
On a scale of nasty to flashy, where do you put Lemieux and Jagr?
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I’d put Lemeiux just to the flashy side of 50/50, and Jagr is more like 75% flashy. Seem like an honest assessment? In comparison, I’d put Richie at 75% nasty and Giroux at 65% flashy. Hartnell is 100% nasty; Briere is 90% flashy (excepting his stickwork for the missing 10%).
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
I’d put Lemeiux just to the flashy side of 50/50, and Jagr is more like 75% flashy. Seem like an honest assessment?
I think that’s being generous to them, but even if we take it as given, I return you to my original point:
But I do find it interesting that you say you want hardnose sports and not fancy pants teams in the same paragraph where you say you became a fan of the Pens because of Lemieux and Jagr
You’ve just put them both on the flashy side of the midpoint. I’m not sure why I’m the one being argumentative when it would seem that you agree with my premise that there’s a discrepancy there and yet still turned it into a lengthy debate.
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Favorite NFL player today, by far, is Troy Polamalu. Yes, some of his hits are absolute highlight reel stuff, and the defense creates those highlights by giving him the blitz opportunities – but on EVERY down, every play, he is at the ball making contact. That’s the kind of player I emulated in my ‘career’ as well, and defines the style of play I prefer.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s one chart from multiple sources that would indicate the twitter audience is older than that. Average age of 39, with most users between 25 and 44. I think early adopters were younger but it’s been trending older for the last three years.
Not that this really has much to do with a specific poll of Penguins bandwagoners.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm. I was basing my comment on my friends – none of whom are on Twitter. But that may not be a national (or Pittsburgh) average.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
And out here in SF everyone’s on Twitter.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I rest my case.
(Silly Californians.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
During games, no less. I recall being at a SF-LA game back in early 2000’s and the amount of folks on their laptops and cell phones throughout the game was sickening.
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The early 2000’s don’t count. They were all either day traders or .com CEOs filing for IPO — either way, they had to be on their laptops.
I don’t see that much these days.
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Guess I’m average then
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Flyers Pee Wee team
Is kicking ass and taking names: http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=616909
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Also just voted the dirtiest team by their peers, I believe.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
God damn we own the rangers so hard
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
rookie stat question
what is the difference between systematic and stratified in lamence terms and can i get an example
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
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also what the hell is an ogive and what situation is it used for?!..reading the book just confuses me
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Ogives are a common shape for nosetips on missiles or bullets. That’s my experience with it.
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ahh ok so its like what you would get with an f(x) equation?
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You could write an equation for it, yes. Example. The profile (in 2-D) is a segment of a circle, which is then revolved about the centerline to make a 3-D body.
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lamence terms
Only if you can tell me what the heck that is.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wow I was trying to figure out what that said.
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spelling how i heard people say it
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
this guy
he gets me:)
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lamence – regret for not being an expert
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I see what you did there.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
That’s kinda what I was thinkin’. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
so instead of debating this can some1 tell me the difference
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sorry, can’t help you. not a stats guy. i would have guessed ogive was a salad fixing.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Haircolor?
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Brown just this side of black.
:-)
But I would consider coloring it Ogive: Just for Men.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
At the risk of joke kill, ogilvie was a haircolor brand.
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yeah me too. Mine are in crap condition or they’d be worth a lot. 1973 Willie Mays, etc. It used to be fun dividing them by position and building random teams.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Mine aren’t in particularly good condition either, but the last time I checked (which was many years ago, mind you), the problem with the value was less about condition and more that around 20 years ago people lost interest in baseball cards.
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My husband complains about this all the time, although it hasn’t stopped him from continuing to collect the Topps sets he’s missing.
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interesting. i’m sure i have complete sets and then some from 1970-1977. they’re all in my parents’ attic and they’re getting ready to move and throw everything out….hmm so excuse me while i send them an e-mail.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
If you still have them, I may be willing to work out a deal with you for whichever one he’s missing at this point. He wants one for every year from 1974 on.
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alright i’m going back east in late April or May so I’ll see what I have then. I put the reminder in my calendar.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Now I am sad. I had searched “ogive haircolor” but nothing.
Ah but it turns up with Bing, not Google.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I am impressed. I don’t remember seeing him play.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 15, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
I didn’t answer because I had no idea what the question was about. But when I googled “systematic and stratified” it took me to wiki pages on methods of sampling a population (e.g. when taking a survey).
Systematic sampling seems to be a way of doing things randomly by picking every nth item — e.g. if you want to survey 5% of the population, ask every 20th person to take the survey, instead of randomly picking 1/20th of them.
Stratified sampling means separating the population into smaller, homogeneous groups before doing the random (or systematic) sampling. So if you want to get an estimate of average income, instead of just asking 5% of the people what their income is, you might divide them up by race and ask 5% of each group what their income is. This improves the accuracy of your survey by removing the possibility that your 5% sample happened to include too many people of a certain race and skew the results.
Note that systematic and stratified sampling is not an either/or choice. You can ask every 20th white person what their income is and then ask every 20th black person what their income is to do systematic-and-stratified sampling. Or you could ask every 20th person what their income is to do systematic-but-not-stratified sampling. Or you could ask a random 5% of the white people and a random 5% of the black people to do stratified-but-not-systematic sampling. Or you could ask a random 5% to do not-systematic-or-stratified sampling.
Hope that helps. Let me know if you need me to read you any more wiki pages. ;)
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
it's moo
i love you
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Okay, I know there are a lot of people on this board who are very into jerseys and can spot a fake from a mile away and I would appreciate your help. A member of my family recently gave me a new Winter Classic Giroux jersey. I’m about 95% certain that they didn’t buy the jersey from a sporting goods store- I’m assuming they bought it from a person they work with that sells sports jerseys out of the trunk of their car. I just want to know if anyone here can tell me things to look for (stitching, type of lettering it should have etc.) to see if it’s definitely a fake and, if so, how bad of a fake it is…
First detail I can think of...
Does it have the “Winter Classic” text and date inside the collar?
Also, is should say “Reebok” now, not use the vector logo. I believe that’s a common mistake on the fakes, since it is a recent change.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Fonts on letters and numbers will be incorrect. Also, if it has a fight strap, I’m willing to be it’s a fake.
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No, my authentic WC jersey has the fight strap.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 15, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
I understand, but if they didn’t get it from NHL.com, or a store, and it has a fight strap, it’s likely a fake. I’m considering the circumstances of the purchase when I say that.
And typically these days,. most jerseys I see with the fight straps are fakes; which is a complete departure from years ago.
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It’s also why I said (more so tried to say, except I left off a “t”) that I bet it’s a fake as opposed to it’s definitely a fake.
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I see what you’re saying—wasn’t aware of that with the strap
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 15, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah if you go to games you see all these fake jerseys and they all have fight straps now, it’s kind of odd. So if I see a new reebok jersey with a fight strap I do 3 things to tell the difference without seeing the jersey up close. One, I look at the cut/shape at the bottom; authentic jerseys have a very specific cut to them. Next I’ll take a look at color; a lot of the earlier fakes for the reebok jerseys had an incorrect orange used. Last, I’ll look at the font size and style on the names and numbers; they are never correct.
If they pass those, then the only other way to tell is to get the jersey up close and look for the more “subtle things”. But then again, if they pass those, I don’t think the OP cares because at that point it would be a “good” fake.
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Forgot to mention, for the WC jersey, if the numbers aren’t felt, it’s a fake.
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Felt? Interesting!
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Yeah; it was part of the throw back look. They are some kind of felt like material. You see fakes around with the fight straps and actually half close font for name and numbers, but then glossy numbers (more like the numbers on the Flyers regular kits).
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I think I’m wanting a WC jersey more and more…
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They are very nice and yes, the letters are felt like.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 19, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
OT but Awesome
The US Nationals Curling Finals are this weekend in Aston (where we play open ice)
Who’s going? I might go on Saturday.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions
I actually might be interested. I’m the only person I know who loves to watch Olympic curling.
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I am pissed that this year I won’t be able to watch the matches during the day. The last Olympics I was unemployed and could watch it all day long. I want to try it like learn how to do it but dunno anywhere that does that.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
The National Capital Curling Center (and Potomac Curling Club) aren’t too far from my house. I went to an open house once and got to try curling. It was fun. If they had drop-in nights without being a member, I’d do it more. I just don’t have time to make a membership worthwhile.
This, unfortunately, doesn’t really help you much.
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The Philadelphia Curling Club, which is on the Main Line somewhere, has an open house twice a year, but I’ve never gotten to go. There’s a second one around now, but I’m too tired to look it up.
I’m having deja vu, though, didn’t we have this same conversation with Don like last year?
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
i watch it as well..its fun to play
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I think I’d have to play it to appreciate it. Hard for me appreciate alot of technical sports just from watching. Lilke golf, I’m sure I’d appreciate if I played it.
eh, im only a fan of the driving range, putting is only ok when you make it extreme mini golf
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by Legion of Bullies on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions
ugh
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A Caps fan I know was just lamenting their need for a center, and I lamented our need for D. He offered me Schultz for a decent C prospect. Any thoughts? :-p
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Re: Pens Bandwagon
Someone on the FB page (I know I shouldn’t read those comments) argued that it’s the same thing Phillies fans did after 2008 (which is probably true in that they’ve attracted quite the bandwagon, and thank you, bandwagon fans for buying us Cliff Lee) and Flyers fans have done since 2010.
The Phillies point is valid; the Flyers one is not. Flyers fans think we’re gonna win every year. They sold out almost every game in a season where the team finished dead last in the standings. I’d say the Flyers bandwagon is pretty small.
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Wasn’t the Phillies bandwagon filled in the summer of 2008, right before they won? I mean, the 2007 pennant was a pretty big bandwagon event, but I think the bandwagon picked up before they won.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, there was some bandwagoning, but a lot of folks didn’t think they were going to win. It was really evident after the WS.
I’ve suffered through Steve Jeltz, gd’it. I understand why people weren’t fans. The Vet sucked. I’m just a loyal sucker who keeps coming back to my teams year after year when they stink.
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Fair enough.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
When your bandwagon joke has 1987 on it, it doesn’t really hold. That was 25 years ago. How long does someone need to be watching before they are no longer a bandwagoner? Even if that person only started watching since Crosby joined the league, that has been several years now.
All sports have casual and hardcore fans. I don’t know how having more people interested in the sport is a bad thing. The reason that guys like Crosby get so much attention from the league and the media is that he is the type of player that can draw new fans to the game.
But hey, derp derp teh bandwagonzzzz!!
The 87 doesn’t refer to 1987. LOL.
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by doubleh on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
derp derp!
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It’s not Crosby, it’s Staal being out.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Sophiejo’d. Sorry.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
hahahahahaha nice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
It’s amazing what happens when you intentionally say 87 and not ’87.
People just fly right past it.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
As an aside, aren’t Pittsburgh’s attendance numbers down now that Crosby’s been out? Even though they’re still really competitive? That pains me.
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Pens are drawing 18,558 per home game this year. ESPN says that’s 102.6% of capacity, apparently. Last year they had 18,240; ’09-10 was 17,078; ’08-09 was 16,975 (also 102.6%).
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Hmmm. Interesting. Some of the games have looked much emptier than that. Guess this is where we shouldn’t trust our eyes.
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A lot of Flyers games look empty too. The Pens pretty much sell out all of their season tickets, so it still counts as a sell out.
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They certainly are sell-outs.
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I think this is a systematic issue, because it’s practically impossible to buy tickets from the team when they go on sale, and then there’s way too many sites/people trying to resell them. It’s inevitable that some are going to go unused, and for some games it’s worse than others.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
And they still have the leading scorer in the NHL, so their fans will go.
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He’s still ugly, too.
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He’s so ugly he frightens baby ogres.
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by Pardini36 on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Ooh, new meme!
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
mea culpa, but my point still stands. Though, I don’t see how bandwagon fans are a bad thing. Don’t we who love hockey want more people watching the sport?
See my follow-up point. I don’t have a problem with bandwagons. The Phillies have one. They buy us shiny new toys.
I just like making fun of Pittsburgh. This gets them all kinds of riled up. Gives me warm feelings inside.
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Yes, absolutely. But I’m still going to make fun of the Penguins if that’s the only kind of fan they have.
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“Only” is a bit strong, sir.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
It’s hyperbole, pf. Pgh sites use it to describe Philly fans; we do same here.
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Perhaps, but I must still make my objections. I fully expect to be roundly ignored :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Most of what we say is in jest. Unless it gets personal. Like with my dipshit friends.
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Oh I know. It is more ‘pro forma’ than ‘offense taken’ on my part.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
The joke here isn’t that the Penguins have a bandwagon. That joke is sort of over at this point. It’s that the team’s official Twitter account asked them why/when they joined the bandwagon.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, everyone off the Penguins bandwagon bandwagon
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
But it’s a fun kind of flogging. :-)
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Ooh, HH, I didn’t know you were into that.
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Only if it means I get to drown PGH fans.
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Wow, two bondage and discipline items at once? Thanks, but no thanks.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
lightweight
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pusillanimous
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‘Experienced’.
If you don’t enjoy it, why do it again?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve been drowned? And you’ve lived to tell? DEVIL! /s
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I’m not a witch.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
It’s called ‘basic training’. They drop you in a pool wearing full combat gear (50+ lbs) and you have to get out. I got stuck a bit. That kind of training comes in handy now for scuba diving though – most divers in distress grab the rescuer’s air supply away, which would normally create TWO divers in distress. In my case, it’s not such a big deal :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
If you don’t enjoy it, why do it again?
Arguably, isn’t that the point?
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Huh?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
True though it’s like the Chokey the Bear floggery, a sour grapes kinda flogging which is a bit of a self flog and if you do it enough, you’ll, at the very least, go blind in one eye and/or get a Catholic block lodged in the other.
I don’t think it’s sour grapes with regard to Pens fans. It’s just a way to fire back at them when the ones I know call our team the dirtiest team in the league year in/year out and Flyers fans are all cretinous assholes.
Engaging with NYG fans would be sour grapes, however.
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So what do you call their endless jokes about Philly fans being the worst fans evah then? That’s deader than the horses bones being flogged.
It’s all jokes in good fun and I have no sour grapes myself. It’s not like the Flyers haven’t ever won any cups even if it has been a while.
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it’s a (band)wagon full of (horse)bones
usually if you have to explain the visual joke it’s not really funny.
like now.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Ilya Bryzgalov’s new clothing, available only at Casual As It Gets Male XL stores everywhere.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Don, I found my new suit!
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Kudos for the pics and for rounding back to the clothing discussion.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
"How do I work this?"
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Holy shit – Mark LaForest has a new career designing suits.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
The 87 thing notwithstanding, you’re right in some ways.
Having more people interested in the sport is a good thing. Crosby drawing new fans in is a good thing. Nobody’s saying those fans should go back to basketball (I hope). We’re just saying that our fans are better. /grin
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We’re just saying that our fans are better.
Truth!
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
i think you should expand on the bringing in new fans is a good thing, cause if your a fan who says crosby is the greatest player of all time EVAR!!!!! then yeah i dont want you as a fan. same for people who hope for shootouts at the end of a game because they enjoy them oh so much
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
New fans are good because bandwagoners help pay for things. More fans equal more revenue which equals higher salary caps and you know what that means.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
More long, expensive goalie contracts?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
YES!!!!
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Woohoo!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hintzy, have you seen the credit card with this as a Logo?
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Agreed completely.
I also defend a lot of fanbases from the bandwagoner charge since a lot of those people had good reasons to stop giving ownership their money. When those laying the charge do it in good fun (as Travis, Eric, and doubleh have shown thus far) it’s humourous. But when some here laid the charge at Blackhawks fans during the SCF, I found it irritating.
Philly fans are spoiled nowadays (Vet-era Phillies fans not so much) where they have ownership willing to spend money and not screw the fans. Many, many other teams don’t have that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Phillies used to be one of those teams that cheaped out. Rolen was not wrong and I don’t have the same animosity toward him that a lot of other fans do, even if he doesn’t have the best rapport with fans, teammates or coaches.
I will say, however, that it’s difficult to swallow Pens fans abandoning the team only a few years after they won two cups. I realize they were really, really, really bad for a while there, but two cups!!! Snider would buy and sell a small village for that. Probably already has.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Snider would buy and sell a smallvillagecountry for that. Probably already has.
FTFY
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
True. Blackhawks fans just took it in the butt from the ownership for years and got back on board when the problem was solved.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
two calculators for the front office
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m okay with letting Crosby and shootouts be the gateway drug to get them into the sport. If they really get into it, they’ll become more knowledgeable and get over those silly things. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Courtesy of Sarah Baicker
Laviolette says to Panotch “Hey, remember last year when you totally blew that quote about me and Richards and our relationship out of proportion?”, Panotch basically says “Ha! Yep!”, and then Lavvy calls him odd.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions
looks to me like he’s about 3 seconds from giving panotch a colonoscopy with his microphone…dude seriously looks liek he wants to punch the guy out
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Sigh. We could only hope.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
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