Rick Nash trade rumors everywhere! Should the Flyers go after him?
by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2012 1:15 PM EST
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The Flyers and the Columbus Blue Jackets have quite the trade history. Since Paul Holmgren took over as Flyers general manager a little over five years ago, the two teams have dealt four times:
- June 20, 2008: The Flyers send R.J. Umberger and a 4th round pick (Drew Olsen) to CBJ for a 1st round pick (Luca Sbisa) and a 3rd round pick (Marc-Andre Bourdon).
- October 20, 2009: A minor league deal in which the Flyers acquired Stefan Legein for Michael Ratchuk.
- February 11, 2011 (deadline day): The Flyers acquired Tom Sestito in exchange for "prospects" Michael Chaput and Greg Moore.
- June 23, 2011: And of course, we all remember this one: Jeff Carter heads to Columbus in exchange for Jakub Voracek, a 1st round pick (Sean Couturier) and a 3rd round pick (Nick Cousins).
Then, this past weekend after the game against the New York Rangers, Holmgren and CBJ general manager Scott Howson had what NHL.com described as a lengthy face-to-face meeting at the Wells Fargo Center. Could they have been talking about Rick Nash?
Well, the meeting probably started with Howson asking if there's a return policy on trades, because it's pretty evident how that summer Carter swap is going for the Blue Jackets. Carter's miserable and on the block yet again, and everybody in the world knows Howson won't get as much for Carter as he gave up to get him.
It's different with Nash, though. For starters, he owns a no-trade clause, so he has to accept any trade that comes his way. That's probably not much of an obstacle when it comes to a club like the Flyers, considering they're ... you know, a well-run organization and a good team.
Unlike with Carter, however, Howson doesn't feel any pressure to trade Nash. The guy likes Columbus, he's played his entire career there and he's not disgruntled. The only reason Howson would trade Nash is to get a bunch of good, young pieces in return that can help the club down the road. In short, if you want Rick Nash, the Blue Jackets are going to want just about everything you have in return.
Here's ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun today:
Which brings me to the Flyers, whom I believe also have interest in Nash and certainly have the young pieces to get involved (Braydon [sic] Schenn, James van Riemsdyk or Sean Couturier, etc). Can you imagine Rick Nash on a line with Claude Giroux?
This is what we worry about. Yes, Nash on a line with Claude Giroux would be UNBELIEVABLE. In the real world, though, the Flyers are already the highest scoring team in the league. Giroux is already one of the league's leading scorers, and he's only going to get better. Quite simply, the Flyers don't need Rick Nash.
Would it be nice to have him? Yeah, it'd be unreal to have him in orange and black. But as we talked about over the summer when the Flyers were going after a certain Russian goaltender, you have to weigh what the Flyers are giving up versus what they're getting in return. Not only does he have a $7.8 million cap hit, Howson is probably going to want some mix of Couturier, Schenn or van Riemsdyk and a (early-round) pick in return.
There will be no fleecing Scott Howson on this deal. It just won't happen. He's either going to get blown away by a Rick Nash trade offer or he's not going to deal him at all. And to blow him away with an offer, Paul Holmgren is going to have to give up vital pieces of the Flyers' future, and then somehow find the cap space to make it all work.
It would be stupid. Let's not be stupid. Please.
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howson is not going to get fleeced? pfft name a trade howson hasnt been fleeced on
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by reaper1221 on Feb 14, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
however if howson isnt completely enept he will ask for at least two 1st rounders , a legit nhler and an A level prospect
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Mark Letestu for a 4th round pick.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
39 points in 110 games as a 27 year old? 4th rounder sounds about right
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Thus, not a fleecing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
ok, so he made an equal trade. another gm had a bad day
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Gonna dig in rather than admit to hyperbole?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
do i ever admit to hyperbole?
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Ummmm...
The Umberger trade???? I would have kept Umberger that summer and gotten rid of Carter.
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It wasn’t a fleecing by any stretch in either direction. Think that’s a deal that’s worked out for both teams.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I guess my answer was saying Howson didn’t get fleeced and I think got good value in return.
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Umberger requested arbitration, nobody gets to stay after they do that to the Flyers….
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Does he play defense?
Can be play as a defensemen?
Can he play goalie?
Will he play for the league minimum?
If any of those are a No then there’s your answer to “Should the Flyers go after him.”
Also URL FTW.
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That is all.
by EREX21 on Feb 14, 2012 1:24 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
I really hope this doesn’t become the next STAMKOS!!!
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 14, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions
Ooh! Forget Nash! Let’s get STAMKOS!
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Hartnell, Read, and a 2nd for Nash
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:30 PM EST reply actions
What? No! :-/
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if they took that I couldn’t leave work fast enough to help both of them pack
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that sounds like a lot considering Hartnell is having the best year of his career and Read looks like he could be a fairly cheap solid top-6 guy for years to come and Nash’s contract would handcuff us forever like Danny Briere’s currently is
best year of his career while playing with Jagr and Giroux.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
He’s going to be playing with Giroux for years to come if we don’t trade him, we don’t need offense, we need defense, Nash trade doesn’t help that and makes a trade for a defenseman impossible.
Hartnell’s contract ends next year
next in line, please
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Fine, then just take the rest of his comment, then.
we don’t need offense, we need defense, Nash trade doesn’t help that and makes a trade for a defenseman impossible.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Unless I’ve misinterpreted that, now you’re just trolling. :-p
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I’m very serious about dealing Hartnell or a future defenseman or 1st round pick
I don’t know how to do the down arrow, so I just made the up arrow and inverted it lol
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
for*
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I’m trolling you because I’m asking you what you plan to do with the very real possibility of Hartnell not coming back the year after next?
If you want to preach chemistry and leadership, that’s perfectly acceptable, however in the near future without his services those qualities don’t stay here. that’s why I’m asking you, very seriously, would you trade Hartnell for youth and or picks?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
We have plenty of youth and picks, that’s not what I’m concerned about. I’m concerned about our defense being atrocious.
which could be solved by using that 1st round pick to draft a defenseman
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Which is the best possible use for late firsts!
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you could also trade it. Package it with another defenseman to acquire a better defenseman. you could also use it when signing an RFA that you want to go after.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
fair enough. then the question begs of us:
Should we trade Hartnell during the best year of his career for a defenseman or a pick of the future
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think so, he is definitely a leader and a guy that keeps it fun in the locker room. He’s also on a tear right now, top of the league in PP goals, and has great chemistry with G. If we trade Hartnell we better pray that JVR turns into a beast
Hartnell is gone next year if you want to pay Giroux in the future
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
You made that point already and it’s not relevant to this particular comment.
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i think it’s very relevant. You can speak volumes about the man and the chemistry and leadership he has, but his future is very much in question. I weigh that leadership he provides with potentially a very high end pick
I’d prefer to build for the future and get his salary off the books, regardless of whatever leadership he has. We must pray for JVR to turn into a beast because Hartnell will be gone, anyway
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
If you think the Flyers can’t afford Hartnell’s $4M, where are you getting the $8M for Nash over the next six years?
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I’ve already conceded that Nash option when I reworded the question about a future defenseman or first round pick
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
The Nash deal is a pipe dream without any sort of reality. Trading Hartnell to invest in the future is very much a reality
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
To get the highest value for him, it’d have to be a team in the playoff hunt looking for that extra player to make the push
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
/nod
I’m on board with it if they can find a dance partner and get a reasonable return. I’m also OK with keeping him and crossing their fingers in the playoffs.
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And I completely agree.
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I really just don’t see it happening. And I also don’t think theres any trade out there where we’ll see a return that will have as much value as Hartsy does to this team right now
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
thank you for at least answering my question instead of closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and yelling troll, troll, troll
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think Hartnell’s the type of player to take a pay cut to be happy.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
im more inclined to think jvr is another lupul…we dont have that kind of time
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exactamundo
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we dont have that kind of time
This is what I didn’t get.
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well lupuls like 28 now right, so jvr 6 years from now. he’s already going to be making 4.5 million and has averaged less than 40 points a season,while showing only flashes of brilliance. how many players have shown us these “flashes” of brilliance and been not what we hoped.
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Why don’t we have that kind of time?
And what more did you want out of Lupul exactly? 46 points in 56 games the first season he was here and 50 in 79.
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no but really but he was supposed to be so much more than that. same with jvr.every1 was saying the next john leclair or even lindros because of his size and skill and all ive seen is a kid who throws the body less than our 5 foot nothing giroux
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also because in that time we could use that 4.5 million in places we actually need like a 2 way center to replace briere when he goes or a number 1 d man
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
I’m throwing the hammer down right here, sorry.
We have two very promising young 2-way centers in Schenn and Couturier.
As for JVR, he’s 22, he played in college for all of two seasons and played in 7 AHL games + playoffs before joining the Flyers at age 20. This year he had a great start, then got hurt. Then he started warming up again and got a concussion.
Most of the young guns in the NHL played in Juniors for several seasons, where they play longer seasons (closer to 60 games + playoffs, as opposed to college where you play 35 + playoffs). Plus, the competition in Juniors is much stiffer than that in college. Playing in Juniors for two years, then playing in the AHL for one year prepares you much more for playing in the NHL than does the path that JVR took.
So JVR is supposed to be the next John LeClair, huh? Well, lookie here. That’s not a bad comparison, given that they both played in college instead of juniors, and both were in the AHL for a very short time. Interesting to note that Johnny was putting up JVR-like numbers when he was 23 and 24. At age 25, he broke out. JVR was putting up JVR-like numbers when he was 20 and 21. If we look at last year’s playoffs and how he started this season, who’s to say this wouldn’t have been the year that JVR broke out? Even if next year is the year, he’s still ahead of LeClair.
So yes, we SHOULD allow ourselves that kind of time with JVR.
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by mikefive on Feb 14, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
well we are goin to have to agree to disagree and eventually one of us can say i told you so hopefully
i just see us needing to get what we can for him which could be a luke schenn or maybe a franson or in a package for a already established high talent d man
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Keep in mind there will be highly talented defensemen available this summer via free agency. It all depends on the Pronger situation, the team’s ability to buy out a contract cap-free, etc. But the team does not need to make a JVR-for-Schenn deal now. They need a Bryan Allen. The big-name guy can come in the off-season.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 14, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think so. We need his leadership and physical play in front of the net to anchor that first line. Also, it seems like any team that would have a defensemen we should be looking at would want a younger guy with potential rather than Hartnell. Its tough to see a trade like this making our team better.
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Again, it’s looking unlikely that Hartnell would be back after next year. Time’s a ticking
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, I just don’t see a team giving up the defenseman we’d like (young with upside) for Hartnell.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Now that is an interesting question. I like Hartnell quite a lot and am hesitant to give him up. But that certainly would be selling high. He might be able to fetch a nice return.
I still come back to my previous (for the past couple weeks) question though of if we need that serious of an upgrade, or if a small upgrade (or none) would be fine, as long as we can smack our present personnel out of this damn funk.
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Yep.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 14, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Trade for Nash and then trade Nash for a defenseman!
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fine since we are throwing in ntc players how about breire and read and a second
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Nash is a better Hartnell
Nash is a highly skilled power forward. A power forward in the mold of John LeClair. Surgeon like hands, power and strength like a freight train. He would replace Hartnell and be better. But the question of do we need him….. I don’t think so. As it was mentioned, this team doesn’t have a problem scoring. Nash would be a welcome addition to every team in hockey. But if it means giving up a kings ransom, count me out.
I would be satisfied w/JVR or Read or Hartnell and multiple picks, I guess in some combination. But that is about it. And I also don’t have full knowledge of Nash’ contract.
To sum, for a reasonable hit, I would do it. Nash is a top tier talent that is better than our power forwards right now of Hartnell & Simmonds. Even though I really, REALLY like Simmonds.
He’s twice Hartnell’s cap hit tho, he’s just not worth it when we already have one of the top offenses in the league and what we really need is a d-man.
Thank you for the knowledge! $7.8 MIL Ugh......
Ehh……I just read that Nash is signed to an 8 yr deal. I didn’t realize it was that long of a deal. Ehhh…..
Alright, back on Shea Weber’s Train of Hope!!
(I really, really, really would love to see Pronger & Pronger 2.0 (Weber) lining up together next yr., or just Pronger 2.0 in Orange & Black this year)
Yeah his cap hit is a dream-crusher.
I don’t think we’ll get Weber unless we give up a LOT for him.
I think the 2 most realistic trade scenarios are JVR for Luke Schenn or a bottom-6 forward and a draft pick for Bryan Allen
I really don’t know much about Luke, but I think I like JVR more. Maybe it is the homegrown thing about him, but I always remember hockey people speaking much more highly of Braydon. Never heard a lot about Luke. Have I missed it and he is that good, or …? I like Allen more, probably because I have seen more of him. I really don’t know much if anything about Luke.
Weber, well, I would be more apt to giving up the house for him. I think really highly of him. He has the tools to be the best physical d-men in the league, and is hockey smart. I really just have always thought of him as a younger Pronger. More like Pronger in St. Louis. I wish Nashville could use a Bob. Because I think he could be a big trade chip for that type of player.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
If Homer made that trade, I’d probably go on a coke bender and sh*t in his car.
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
why?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Because I’d think thats way too much to give up, especially considering that Hartnell seems to be one of the bigger leaders in the locker room with Pronger absent, and our salary cap would be sh*t on with several huge contracts when it comes time for G to get an extension
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 14, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
That makes no sense at all for either team.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
ah, I thought we were just playing fantasy hockey
if they accepted that offer, I’d be ecstatic
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Fact is that as awesome as having Nash sounds, we can’t afford to be handcuffed by an $8mil per year contract when we’re already dealing with Briere and Bryz’s huge contracts and will have to re-sign Giroux eventually for huge money.
we can’t afford to be handcuffed by an $8mil per year contract
This is exactly right. It’s more likely than not that Nash will underperform this cap number and the Flyers are already not exactly flush with cap space.
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Can we have a huge article about more realistic trade prospects involving us getting a defenseman? I wanna hear you guys’ ideas about that instead of tickling our fancies with dreams of gumdrops and Rick Nash’s dancing in our heads.
ummmmmmmm
- young
- pending RFA
- strong point presence
- good PP quarterback
- right-handed shot.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
we dont need any more scoring we need a net clearing elbow throwin sonofabitch
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we dont need any more scoring we need a net clearing elbow throwin sonofabitch
#notwhatourpowerplaysays
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
Our horrible power play which is an atrocious 6th in the league?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, the same one which requires a forward on the point in the absence of Pronger.
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
Unless you trade Nash for Bryzgalov, which Howson might be stupid enough to actually do.
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god i would hate to be the house of howsen if he agreed to that
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
ok so then bryz , briere, hatnell for nash straight up..done.deal.
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I’m drinking a lovely cab right now, Van. Yum.
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Nah. It was the only weekend I couldn’t make it, and said as much as soon as Kreider started planning it. Sucks for me, but no hard feelings.
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funny but the first word i saw was tits….wonder what that means?
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
/s
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
since no1 got it
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
No, I got it. I still think you’re on drugs. ;-)
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
lol
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I should have gotten it, but with the way folks have been overreacting on here recently…
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I don’t mean to say that you are overreacting on here, I’m just saying people in general.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
As cool as it would to have Nash on Giroux’s wing no way do I want that contract and losing Couturier and Schenn is not an option. Plus I like Schenn on the wing and maybe he could develop into the long term line mate for Giroux. I wish the Flyers just stand pat and look at the future, because at best I had this team as a 6th seed not a top 3 playoff team.
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by lcd24 on Feb 14, 2012 1:54 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
This is silly.
Jackets don’t need to lose Nash. Flyers dont need to get Nash. It would be nice, but its not the pressing need. I just cannot see this at all.
We can’t move half our roster to sign a forward, and leave the defense in its current state. The only blockbuster trade worth considering is Weber.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
Well, I agree that we don’t need Nash, but CBJ definitely needs to lose him, they need to rebuild entirely, their whole team pretty much sucks. They will most likely get the 1st overall pick, which they will use to draft Nail Yakupov, and attempt to build the team around him. I could see them trading Carter to LA for Bernier as well which would be another good trade for them.
ugh dont make me cry
gags richie williams carts handzeus and coach stevens all together again….:(
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Let’s play a game of predict the future. Here’s how many goals and points he had at each age:
18: 17/39
19: 41/57
21: 31/54 (missed 1/3 of season)
22: 27/57
23: 38/69
24: 40/79
25: 33/67
26: 32/66
27: 26/57 pace (18/39 so far)
What do you expect from him at 28? 29? 30? 31? 32? 33?
If he averages 27/55 over those six years and uses up $7.8M of cap space, does that make the team better or worse?
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I would expect more assists if he landed here, but he would still not be worth his contract. He have to put up Crosby like numbers to be worth that contract
by Anders Jensen on Feb 14, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
He’s playing with Prospal (a pretty consistent 20+ goal scorer) and Carter (a consistent 30+ goal scorer) this year. Would his linemates be substantially better scorers in Philly?
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Playing with Giroux would obviously be a huge upgrade over playing with an aging Prospal and an unhappy/hurt-half-the-season Carter.
I could see Nash putting up 70-80 points on a line with G for a few years to come, still not sure that’s worth $8 million though since Hartnell will have 70-ish points this year.
As much as I agree with you
You have to add in the Giroux effect. Look at Scotty Hartnell this year. Nash has been the only consitent offensive producer in Columbus since he got there.
That being said, I stand firm on the idea that this trade rumor is ridiculous. Why spend all summer trading salary for young high potential guys to just trade them again 6 months later for a 27 year old with a $7 mil+ cap hit? It would be the exact OPPOSITE of what the front office was doing in July.
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 14, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I agree Eric. I like Nash but I don’t think he is worth that kind of cap hit. I think Columbus should stand pat. They are going to get the No. 1 overall. They draft the Russian Center guy who I can’t think of right now, and they got Nash’s center for years to come. Now they use Carter for what he always has been a No. 2 center and now they are looking like a team up the middle.
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well is this due to linemates(columbus has blown every year they have him)
or is it skill level
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This year he’s playing with Prospal and Carter and having arguably his worst year. Linemates are probably a little bit of a factor, but not as big as we’d like to hope.
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so is Carter therefore must be Prospal’s fault
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by chrislanci on Feb 14, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
but not as big as we’d like to hope
so is Carter
not what hartnells wife and woman all over the delaware valley said
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Nice catnip post, Travis. :-)
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:25 PM EST reply actions
A converstaion point
Someone mentioned how the only blockbuster deal we should be discussing is for Weber. So here is my thought.
Flyers Get: Shea Weber – Awesomely awesome Defensmen who grows an even awesomly awesomer playoff beard
Nashville Gets: Daniel Briere – Proven scorer who performs great in the playoffs
LA’s 2nd round pick that Philly got for Richie
Wayne Simmonds – A 2nd liner who would produce on Nashville’s offensively starved roster
Briere has a NMC. Good luck getting him to waive that to go to Nashville.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Damn.
and here i thought i had contributed to the conversation…
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 14, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
It’s OK. You should always assume a highly paid player on this team has a NT or NMC unless otherwise noted. They hand them out like greenies on the 1993 Phils in this FO.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
by doubleh on Feb 14, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it happens often
There should be an autocorrect, or a flag that pops up a dialog box every time someone types “should” and “trade” and either “Briere” “Hartnell” “Bryzgalov” in the same sentence….
“This player has a NMC clause. Are you sure you want to hit the Post key?”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Oooh, someone needs to make that Windows prompt graphic. That would be a funny shirt, too.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
except NMC clause is redundant, I’m realizing.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
ATM machine
PIN number
NMC clause
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Separate from the NMC in Briere’s contract, Nashville would not accept that proposal. If you ranked teams in order of how much they would like to get Briere’s production for Briere’s pay, Nashville would be near the bottom. Simmonds is good, but not enough of a return for a RFA. And a late 2nd rounder isn’t going to change anything about that deal.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
switch simmer for jvr and youve got yourself a deal..simmer is way too much of a net presence for me to throw him a way and the kid is still a string bean
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As if Carter didn't already want to off himself in Columbus...
Via TSN TradeCentre
George Johnson of the Calgary Herald says that, despite rumours of Jeff Carter possibly being dealt to Calgary, he doesn’t believe that Carter would be a good fit with the Flames.
He’d be dead in a week if he got any further away from a warm beach.
That’s not news, TSN. And that’s an incorrect opinion, George Johnson.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Please God no! I really don’t want to see Nash’s 8M/yr contract on our team with Briere’s 6.5 M per year and Breezy’s 5.6 M per year. Would Nash’s NTC come with him to Philly as well?!
Suck it Phaneuf!
I don’t think his NMC would come to Philly because he’d be waiving it to come here. Either way, it’s not happening.
nash to nashville(perfect fit just look at the name) for weber
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
How the hell are the Rangers in on the Nash sweepstakes? How do they have cap space or any reason to go after him?
Teams that are under the cap all year get to save up that cap space and can afford a surprisingly large cap hit at the deadline.
If you’re 1.5M under the cap for 3/4 of the year, you have room to add 6M of cap hit for the last 1/4 of the season (4.5M of banked cap space plus the 1.5M you’re presumably still under the cap).
This is one of the costs of being on LTIR — unused LTIR space isn’t saved up like that. If you’re $3.5M over the cap all year but with a $5M LTIR exception, you can still only add $1.5M at the deadline, not $6M, because you don’t have that $4.5M of banked space.
That doesn’t necessarily mean they can afford him though. They’d have $56M committed for next year already and would still need to add 3 F’s, 3 D’s, and a goalie. They’d have to give back a little salary to fit him in at the deadline, but they’d still have to either shed more salary in the off-season or replace a bunch of guys from this year’s team with minimum-salary types. But if they’re willing to do that, they can add him now by using that banked cap space.
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I had no idea. How cool. The NHL rewards savers.
How about we do a commercial where Holmgren has to get a Payday loan?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Dubinsky would go back in any deal for Nash, that offsets half. It’s not cap crippling for 2012-13, they could make it work with some manuevering. It’s the 2013 offseason that’d be brutal.
Of course, I’ve been wondering how the hell the Flyers can afford him too, so there’s that.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
From the 10 or so Rangers games I’ve seen I would not want a trade that disrupts the current roster, if I were a Rangers fan.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Most don’t. Few are trigger happy and would go for broke. There’s an aura of inevitability with a move being made though. Not Nash, but something like Ryan Smyth or some other gritty PP guy out there that no one is thinking of because Sather’s trades never, ever leak out first.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
While it would never happen in a million years, why do I keep thinking that a trade between the Rangers (who have an excess of young, good defensemen) and the Flyers (who have an excess of young, good forwards) makes total sense?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
On paper, sure does.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
You want JVR? He was always a big Rangers fan...
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, if you want Bickel + Valentenko
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Touche.
But seriously, eventually they won’t be able to afford ALL of Staal/Girardi/McDonagh/Del Zotto/Sauer/Erixon, right?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget McIlrath
And no, eventually they might price themselves out, but no one really knows what the cap will look like in 5 years. Of course, 7 D-men for 6 spots doesn’t work either.
Sauer’s the guy I figure gone long term, he’s most redundant if all of those guys fulfill potential.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t even know who that is and it still annoys me.
But yeah, I assume (hope) (pray) we’ll know more about that around September 15.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
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I liked them more last year.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I liked them more around mid-April 2010.
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That’s interesting, especially in the NY market, and considering there’s a team on the other side that needs to not leak it as well. I don’t know anything about who else in an organization knows about ongoing trade discussions.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
They might leak before the t’s are crossed and i’s are dotted, but the Gomez/McDonagh deal, the Higgins/Jokinen+Prust deal, the Wolski/Rozsival, or even simple things like Mitchell/7th….not one had their negotiations even casually Eklund’d before hand.
So I don’t actually buy the Nash rumors. I’d buy Sather and Howson are talking, but not about Nash.
And yes, it’s quite interesting, but I don’t think it’s uncommon. I mean, I don’t have the pulse of Philly obviously, but the Richards and Carter deals were pretty mum before they happened, no?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I remember being completely stunned by the Carter and Richards trades. It’s probably another form of confirmation bias, remembering the trades that match the rumors.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn’t stunned by Carter so much because I expected it the season prior. Richards, however, was an entirely different story.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
...
You’re right. I guess now I treat that day as if all three moves were somehow one, like King Ghidrah…
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
That’s because that ended up being quite a doozy of a day. I was exhausted; can’t imagine how the players and GM felt.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Well not so much that they traded Carter or Richards, but the return on the trade. Did the name Voracek leak out at all before hand?
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Carter’s exact deal, more or less, was rumored a couple weeks beforehand. I think it was originally Voracek + 8th overall and it ended up becoming Voracek + 8th + 3rd rounder, so yeah.
Richards, though. No one saw that coming even a little bit.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Five people had Voracek on their roster and not Carter in our guess the roster contest. Nobody left Richards off though.
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Hmm, interesting.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oddly enough, I could see a 3-way sending Briere out west for high level prospects and a mid level star to CBJ for Nash.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 2:41 PM EST reply actions
“This player has a contract with a No Move Clause. Are you sure you want to hit the Post key?”
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/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Gagne did too. Glad he’s still on the Flyers, right?
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
SNAP!
NMCs are different though. So are NTCs. I’m not an expert on Gagne’s but the Flyers might have been able to get him to waive it for TB, or TB may have been on the list of teams Gagne would accept, etc.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, it was something like that.
Also, the comment was meant mostly as an excuse to continue a joke from above.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Gagne’s was a no-trade clause, so they could tell him “we don’t have room for your cap hit — it’s your choice whether you want to go on waivers and end up with whoever claims you or name a team you’d let us trade you to”.
They don’t have that weapon with Briere, whose no-movement clause means he can’t be waived.
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Awww, we can’t “gauge interest” in Briere? Shame.
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Suck it, Phaneuf
The next time I fire someone at work, I’m using that line.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
That might hurt more than the firing.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
A three-way deal in which we send very little out and end up getting someone like nash would be fantastic. Completely unnecessary, of course, but fantastic.
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
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Suck it, Phaneuf
Problem is we can’t send very little out and get Nash because his contract is very not-little and we don’t have a ton of cap space. AND we need a defenseman. Did i mention we need a defenseman? WE NEED A DEFENSEMAN RITE NAO
Briere might be seen as “little out,” but his contract would open up some space for Nash’s “very not-little” contract.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Briere has a NMC. Hartnell has a NMC. Bryz has a NMC.
None of them will waive it to go to a hockey purgatory like CBJ
Gagne.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention Briere wouldn’t be going to CBJ.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
He was willing to waive it for TBL, but you can’t guarantee that Briere would be willing to waive it to go “out west” or wherever you’re thinking.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Can’t guarantee anything, really, but St Louis could be a good fit for him.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Danny B
When you said out west i immediately figured LA. The Kings are looking for offense, he would be comfortable with Richie, LA is playing better every week and he seems like a guy who would enjoy LA life. Plus they have surpluss defensemen.
But if that happens, then where would Giroux and Courturier live?
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 14, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lavi’s house.
I hear he’s a good Call of Duty player. He certainly knows about reloading.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
G already has his own place.
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
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Suck it, Phaneuf
i know, i was just making a joke. i was cracking up last year when reading about them living together and driving Danny’s kids to hockey practice. it could’ve been made into a sitcom.
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 14, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
The thing about Danny waiving his NMC. Danny has a wife and young kids. Kids who are settles into schools with friends. Danny has a good thing going in Philly, mentoring young, rising future star players. He also has job security in his NMC. He isnt going to give that up for anything short of a dream trade. As in, a dream trade for him, not for the Flyers.
Hyka'n it up a notch.
The thing about Danny waiving his NMC. Danny has awifeand young kids. Kids who are settles into schools with friends. Danny has a good thing going in Philly, mentoring young, rising future star players. He also has job security in his NMC. He isnt going to give that up for anything short of a dream trade. As in, a dream trade for him, not for the Flyers.
fixed this for you.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Deadline deal.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=6445
Bring Knuble back. Preferably for Shelley.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 2:56 PM EST reply actions
Done and done. I mean Shelley hasn’t scored in a while and his +/- is shit, they could just keep him in the press box.
by mattsotheran on Feb 14, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
hey, the Caps want a tough guy pretty damn bad. they keep trying to shoehorn Joel Rechlicz into the lineup for some insane reason
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I did not know that. That would be a sweet deal.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 14, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
God, I hope he and Sestito end up on the ice at the same time the next time we play the Caps.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
This better not happen
Nash is great and all, but as most have said, that contract is awful. The upside isnt even close to worth it. I think we all agree we need a major improvement at defense, but it just doesnt seem all too plausible, unless you move JVR. With that said, its not like our offense is still top in the league. They have averaged only 2.8 goals/game in the last 10. That drops them pretty far in the offensive rankings.
With that said, its not like our offense is still top in the league. They have averaged only 2.8 goals/game in the last 10. That drops them pretty far in the offensive rankings.
It’s true, the Flyers’ offense isn’t top in the league. They’ve dropped to second.
2.8 goals per game would be 9th in the league, by the way, between San Jose and the Rangers.
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Of course they arent gonna fire on all cyclinders for all 82 games. But when you get shutout to the Isles, cant score more than 2 on the Rangers, and 1 on the Jets…thats a problem. Perhaps if the goaltending were less shaky and the defensive turnovers were limited, the offense would continue on its merry way. I dont know. I just see more problems with this team than defense.
But when you get shutout to the Isles, cant score more than 2 on the Rangers, and 1 on the Jets…thats a problem.
You left out putting 4 on Toronto, 3 on Detroit, 4 on New Jersey, and 4 on Nashville. I’m betting if you looked at the whole picture instead of just the bad, you’d find that it’s not really a problem.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
You’re probably right. I dont know it just seems that the rookies have hit a wall, G isnt playing nearly as well as earlier, Jagr has slowed, and injuries to Briere and JVR among others. All kinda add up to make that offense seem a lot less fierce. A defensive upgrade is certainly a necessity, but maybe an improvement on offense would be beneficial as well. Not even scoring wise, a defensive forward would certainly be nice.
Yeah, but if you ignore the meaningless games where they’ve been good, they’re bad. Duh.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I would love Nash contract and all but it would require us to move Brzy and his bad contract we can only float one horrendous contract at a time and Brz isn’t going to waive his NMC for Columbus so I am not going to think about it.
Jagr is starting to slow down and moving forward Giroux is going to need a winger I would take Carter back in a second as the much more realistic option.
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I just want to say one thing about Howson
I think he made mistakes this summer (cough Steve Mason cough). But he got really unlucky with the Carter trade. Basically everything went wrong:
1) Jeff Carter has had major injury issues
2) While Carter was hurt, the Jackets season fell apart (this is still heavily on Howson for not getting a damn goalie), which leads into…
3) Carter’s ‘attitude’ issues. By the time he came back into the lineup, the season was over. If they were still in it, I imagine things wouldn’t have been so bad. (and it should be pointed out, the injury issues have gotten worse since, and I think these are more of an explanation for poor play than ‘attitude’).
4) Cotourier dropping. It was stupid for him to have fallen as far as he did.
I just don’t think Columbus got all that ‘fleeced’. Jeff Carter was one of the best players in the league at the time.
Anyway, the Flyers don’t need Nash. They’d be better off trying to nab one of Columbus Dmen on the cheap, there are some okay guys there.
really?
Hartnell just can:t make some of you happy can he? This guy has been nothing but fuckin heart and soul since he came to the flyers. When he has a bad year-trade him. When he has a career year-trade him.
He seems to be a coach fav and he does a lot of the ice. Let the man be.
I’m with you. I admit that trading him now he would likely have his greatest value, but I’m really not interested in letting him go.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
This. I’ve been a Hartnell supporter for a while. I have no problem keeping him through his contract and trying to get a cheap, Knuble-esque discount. But he’s unlikely to ever match this production again, so I’m okay with the rumors of moving him while the value is high.
For the exact same reasons, I don’t think we should be talking about trading JVR, for instance.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I AM SICK OFTHIS NONSENSE!!!!
No Rick Nash plz kthx.
Nash might look quite good
Wearing orange and black, but
Cap hit is teh suck
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
by mikefive on Feb 14, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yes!
all we need is a rental d-man. A Marsh like dude )can’t belive I just said that but yeah. Stay at home, clear the front of the net defenseman.
by Gonzotatcics on Feb 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think a stay at home defensemen, a big guy like Hal Gill would be nice to help fill the void that Pronger left. But thats not gonna fix the turnover issue. Another dman who skates well and can get the puck out is just as important if not more.
The only defensemen I saw on Columbus who looked remotely interesting to me were Tyutin, Nikitin, and Wisniewski. Don’t think any of them would really fill the role the Flyers are looking for.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
A lot of old flyer d-men up for grabs… My money is on the organization going for Shane O’Brien-cause we need more grit and jam….and penalties-i belive we fell to 3rd in penalties but I could be wrong.
by Gonzotatcics on Feb 14, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I just wish they would talk to Edmonton about Tom Gilbert. The guy is a very underrated dman. He’s got decent size, skates well and is certainly a veteran presence. Even throw in Ales Hemsky with the deal who comes off the books at the end of the year. Edmonton is the young team working their way up. They are gonna want to get something for Hemsky and Gilbert may not command too high of a return. Hemsky needs a change of scenery badly and if he sucks then so what, he’s gone at the end of the year.
They won’t get rid of Tyutin or Nikitin, I think, and Wiz’s contract sucks a big one.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Right. So I see no need to deal with them at all.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
No.
Please go look at CapGeek and tell me the Flyers need to be saddled with another bloated, long-term contract.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
only if nash agrees to restructure his contract to play for a playoffbound team.
players can agree to restructure right?
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From CBA Article 11, Player contracts:
11.10 No Renegotiation. In no event shall a Club and a Player negotiate a change in any terms of a Player SPC for the then-current season or for any remaining season of an SPC. This provision shall not prohibit a Player and Club from negotiating an extension to an existing SPC in accordance wit h the terms of Section 50.5(f) hereof or from negotiating a new or reformed SPC or Offer Sheet in the limited context and time-frame expressly set forth in Section 11.6(a)(vi) above.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 15, 2012 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
oh..then what sport am i thinking of?..and has it always been this way?
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Renegotiation may have been permitted by the 1995 CBA, but it has to be forbidden under the salary cap structure the NHL implemented in ’05. The cap hit is defined as the total dollar amount divided by the years, or the averaged salary; so any renegotiation that would change that cap hit would immediately be circumvention under Article 26.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 15, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
are you aware your first two sentences are the last 2/3 of another haiku?
oh wait, the K in thx screws it up
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
This rumor is
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"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
Think this guy is for realz?
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
No.
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
He’ll probably be good, just not 20-and-8-every-game good.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
Sixers should trade for S. Nash Flyers should trade for R. Nash!!
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
Might as well just call Philadelphia…
(puts on sunglasses)
…Nashville.
YEEEEEEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[my apologies to whoever made this joke earlier; thought it was doubly fitting now]
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Phillies should go for youth and sign Graham Nash.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think he works on his shooting and gets it right. Let me put it this way: he’ll start over Baron Davis.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Wonder how it will work when Melo gets back?
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Melo will get booed when Lin’s production drops? Regardless, a PG that can move the ball to Amare, work the pick and roll, and penetrate makes the Knicks better.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
It wont. Because Melo is the biggest ball hog in the history of the game.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Mind games.
All these mentions of potential trade baits and contracts — and not a peep about Bob. I keep hearing that Bob’s “going to be a great goalie” when he grows up. And meanwhile, we’re guaranteed to have Bryz for the next decade. So ….let’s dangle Bob for a D-man, and here’s what you get: a Bryz who realized the FO loves him, and he no longer has to worry about the crowd (at BSH at least) screaming for Bob after every miscue.
or we have a goalie who was the product of his system for the next 9 years and trade away a goalie who is still growing as a player and one hell of a goalie already…….
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Don’t get me wrong. I’d be the first to buy Bryz a one-way ticket to any destination of choice, but apparently we’re locked in. But I think the FO made the investment in Bryz in the anticipation that Pronger would ensure a clear field of vision for him. And if we could get someone Pronger-esque, the next decade might not be so bad (if we believe Geoff’’s career data on Bryz.)
by Lesion of Doom on Feb 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah im not heckling you or anything, the front office brought the guy in because they thought he was a game stealer(dont attack me any1) however im on board with the fact that everywhere he has been has had a pretty sound defense yandle rosival jovi etc in pheonix beuchemin prongs etc in anaheim.here we have kimmo and carle with mez and coburn being decent but not shut down guys and a system that even with the best d in the leaue would be hardstrapped to help their goalie get a shut out
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
actually made me smile a little and think about it
per csn.com comment section(i know right?)
Your completely right. Everytime they play bad a few games everyone talks about how horrible they are. I wish i could go back and read all the comments when they were down 3-0 to the bruins in the playoffs. dont ever give up on the flyers
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Send Hartnell, Jagr & leighton to CBJ for Nash.
Play schenn with Nash and G.
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by MJDII on Feb 14, 2012 6:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If you’re Columbus, why do you make that trade?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
because you have howson
/earlier narrative’d
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
And you really don’t think the owner of Columbus is going to have to sign off on trading Rick Nash?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
After 2012-13, expiring, expiring?
That’s the only reason I can possibly think of.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Exactly! It works for the flyers $ wise and G gets a legit winger. It works for CBJ because all those contracts are short term, jagr spurs some pr and they can commence on another rebuild which is inevitable without Nash on the cap.
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by MJDII on Feb 14, 2012 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So Columbus is supposed to take their best player and trade him to start a rebuild… around expiring contracts?
That makes no sense.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not Nash in this case. It’s 8 million off cap hit on a rebuilding effort. When he is alone on a rebuild team having horrible years you’ll never get rid of him. And it gives them cap space to build from the center out like you should not wings
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by MJDII on Feb 14, 2012 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The point is, they can get cap room AND some building blocks. Hartnell and Jagr are two older, not-as-talented-as-Nash guys that would be in the same position as Nash (i.e. mostly alone on CBJ). Saddling them with Leighton’s contract doesn’t improve anything.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Thank you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention that they have $23M of cap space that year already, if the cap doesn’t go up. Maybe more like $30M if it does. It’s not like they need to dump their best player in a deal that provides them nothing but salary cap relief — they’re not in anywhere near as bad a situation as the Flyers, and the Flyers got quality prospects for their stars.
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Yeah, I don’t see Columbus wanting to trade Nash in order to… get UFAs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, wouldn’t they want young emerging talent? They aren’t looking to free up salary in order to acquire FA’s.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Why not? They will have good picks coming and money free to build from the centers out
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by MJDII on Feb 14, 2012 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Voracek + 8th pick + 3rd round pick
Schenn + Simmonds
Jagr + Hartnell + Leighton
Which of these packages sounds most appealing to a team looking to rebuild?
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EXPIRING CONTRACTS!
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by MJDII on Feb 14, 2012 6:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You realize that Voracek and Simmonds’ contracts both expired a week after those deals, and that if contract is a problem, Schenn could be kept in the AHL and paid $67.5k, right?
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EXPIRE ALL OF THE CONTRACTS so then they can offer Sidney Crosby 20 years and a bajillion dollars.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Frees up cap space so they can make a big splurge in the summer of ‘13. Which, coincidentally, happens to be when a certain #87’s contract expires.
/NBA’d
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Cut G, he sucks
WE SHOULD SIGN CROSBY
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
Sidney Crosby for Rick Nash and a 1st round pick.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, if I’m Columbus, why am I trading Nash at all?
It feels like they’re throwing in the towel of ever being a successful team with this one. No matter what the return could be, it doesn’t seem like it should be worth it from their end.
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by DragonGirl0583 on Feb 14, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. You shouldn’t trade your best player.
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
by Philly37 on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
you would do that 2 jagr…..i think he’d retire on the plane ride
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
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If they can do it to forsberg they can do it to jagr.
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by MJDII on Feb 14, 2012 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forsberg went from a team that was going to miss the playoffs to a team that was going to make them.
That is a bad analogy.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 14, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
If you were to make that trade...
Simmer+Bob+Reader
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
Actual realistic trade possibilities anyone?
How do you all think the concussion has hurt JVR’s trade value?
My defenseman wish-list:
Jack Johnson – good young d-man with reasonable cap hit
Luke Schenn – samesies^ (plus Schenn brotha love!)
Bryan Allen – Big physical veteran with net presence and porch-clearing strength
Hal Gill – samesies^
Johnson=American :D
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
American, and is a top 2 defenseman right now for LA, young, talented, cap hit is 4.3 mil, 4.4 mil next year. Problem is he’s only 6’1", not a big porch clearer like we kind of need, but it looks good for the future.
And he stinks at defense.
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
NASH HAS GIVEN CBJ A LIST OF TEAMS HE'D PLAY FOR
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/14/report-nash-has-given-the-jackets-a-list-of-teams-hed-accept-a-trade-to/
If he goes to the Rangers…
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
So sad that they killed him.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Rick Nash is a defenseman, right?
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(that came off as kinda trollish and I apologize; if that was a legitimate question, no, he’s a winger.)
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
Props for eschewing the sarcasm font.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I just came to the realization that we are stuck with Bryz’s contract for the next 9 years. Even a buyout doesn’t take a good chunk off the books. Hahahaha.. Oh well, I’ve gone 35+ years not having a Cup. I can go 9+ more.
LTIR, LTIR, LTIR!
by ThatsGoodKoolAid on Feb 14, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions
It’s less than 8 1/2 now
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
almost over :-<
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 14, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
so i figured the reason there’s over 300 comments on this is because there’s not a game till thursday and we all miss each other??
ecnewman on flyersfaithful.com
by f2yers8 on Feb 14, 2012 7:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i know this is jumping to conclusions and rediculous
but what if holmgren thinks our centers are maturing really fast and thinks he could trade giroux for nash….i wouldnt watch the flyers again
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Well, all right. It was a “Jump to Conclusions” mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor, and it would have different conclusions written on it that you could jump to.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Zero percent chance of happening. G is different from Richards or Carter.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
it ran through my head and scared the piss out of me…i wonder what travis would make that headline
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
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Send em Voracek and called him Zherdev. Or vice versa.
Awaiting the return of the G-stache
"There’s more to life than being really, really, really good at hockey."
-DannyMcG
Suck it, Phaneuf
by Philly37 on Feb 14, 2012 9:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
So all of this chatter is presuming a buyout/amnesty period with the new CBA. With that, do you trade say…JVR, Voracek and a 2nd rd for Weber.
Then, if Pronger is done, we leave him for the amnesty, and resign Weber. If Pronger is going to return, Use amnesty on Bryz, and either make a real effort to sign Weber, or even let him go and get the 4 first rounders back (I think hes an RFA and cant get to capgeek right now to confirm).
Just floating stuff like a fantasy GM
"The dank, Moe, the dank!"
yes he is an rfa, and if we sign get weber pronger comes back and we have timonen that gives us a top six of prongs weber timo carle coburn mez…..just hand us the freaking cup, cause if bryz cant post a atleast .920 with that dfense i want either him or lavy gone
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
but you are not getting weber for as little as jvr voracek and a 2nd….there will most definitly need to be two 1st rounders involved jvr some1 like simmonds and one of cooter, schenn, read
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"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
More fuel! More fire!
Teams that I believe have either been contacted by Columbus regarding Rick Nash or have reached out to the Blue Jackets: the New York Rangers, the Philadelphia Flyers, the Los Angeles Kings, the Vancouver Canucks and the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Of that list, I think the Rangers, Flyers and Kings really stand out in terms of their interest and ability to provide the right assets. The Canucks and Leafs obviously have interest, but I’m not sure they’re willing to part with the kind of package of assets the Jackets are looking for. The Leafs have worked hard over the last few years to build up their base of assets and don’t want to empty the cupboard on one player, even though it’s a player they like. My sense is that Toronto will remain involved on some level just to make sure the price doesn’t go down.
Don’t do it, Homer.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 14, 2012 10:26 PM EST reply actions
Step away from the phone.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 14, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Teams that I believe have either been contacted by Columbus regarding Rick Nash or have reached out to the Blue Jackets
Key words there. This is all just his opinion.
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I don’t think that “I believe” is opinion, certainly not as much as “I think the Flyers stand out in terms of interest etc” is. If he says the Flyers have asked—which is implied here and in the original post—I believe it. The second part sounds like he’s just speculating a bit, though.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 15, 2012 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
You can do it, Homer.
FYP
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by George E. Ays on Feb 14, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t understand what adding Rick Nash brings to this team except a huge contract. We have Jagr, and we can resign him for cheap. ALSO WE NEED DEFENSE WHAT THE HELL
It's in his wheelhouse!!
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Unless the deal is too good to pass up I don’t see CBJ dealing with us over Nash since they got screwed with Carter. (insert evil laugh) No way do we give up Couturier in any trade, I’d like to keep Schenn as well, and our big problem is on DEFENSE. We’re fine offensively. JVR is the only trade bait I’d use to bolster the D because anyone else is either a keeper or not worth that much in return so why bother messing up chemistry for a lateral move? Besides, JVR is milking his injury until after the deadline so even that’s a wash. Homer’s best move is either sell off the garbage or stand pat until summer when he can make changes that matter. As of right now we got too many problems and not enough solutions.
Couturier and Schenn are staying IMO. I would wait on moving JvR still. I think it’s too early to give up on him. Unless it involves a big-name D.
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Morning flyby?
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Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 7:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sleeping at the wheel
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they dont love us anymore:(
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t these people realize we are like lost nomads wondering a bleak desert of desperation.
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Some 1 should make a few links to hockey related stuffs, then we will discuss which mastheads remind us of which office characters!
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Guess somebody had a good valentine’s day, eh? ;-)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Yeah I do work
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Going to need to dump more cap space than that
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 9:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hate it
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I talked myself into the idea of trading for Nash then talked myself out of it when I looked at some things. He is not 7.5 million good. He is not even as good as Jeff Carter IMO.
Can we start the annual Ingilna trade rumors now. That one is more interesting.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
Yeah, I’d rather have Carter than Nash. And I’d rather have Richie than Carter. But I know a lot of people will disagree with me on that. Odd that they’re both having such shitty first seasons away from us.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
GIven the current lineup I prefer Carter over Riche since I think the biggest need is RW. Hartnell-Giroux-Carter for next season looks good, but imagine Hartell-Giroux-Iggy. If the price is really right for Iggy maybe BOB and something. Where do the Flyers stand in terms of CAP space available at the deadline given the pro-rated crap. Even if the acquire Carter as much as I love him these long term contracts are killer especially with the NTCs / NMCs.
Also I have nothing against BOB I just think he is our biggest asset at the deadline and I have faith that Brzy will right the ship eventually making BOB expendable given his high price tag for a backup.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
I wasn’t thinking about needs on the roster, I just always liked Richie over Carter. Either way, it all comes back to not needing more scoring right now, we do plenty of that. It’s stopping the other team that’s more of a problem.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hmm. I’m thinking about this in more depth now. As we all know by now, we’re 2nd in the league in goals/60. We happen to be 24th in goals-against/60. But we still average more goals for than against, which I suppose is obvious since we’re still so high in the standings, we’d be a lot worse if this wasn’t true. But those averages include the whole season. Maybe it’d be more interesting to track it as a rolling average, to see if our goal production has dropped or our goals against have risen significantly over this recent rough patch. I have an odd feeling that if I continue this line of thought I’ll eventually arrive at Corsi or Fenwick. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I think carters ntc voids out if he allows himself to be traded
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I prefer Carter over Riche since I think the biggest need is RW
So why not go after a RW, rather than a center??? Last I checked Carter was a center. (And BTW, I won’t tell Jagr, Simmonds, or Voracek what you’ve been saying behind their backs.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
This. Carter did not look good on the wing last year. Plus, he looked better on LW because of that wicked, off-wing shot. But he prefers center, and it shows.
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Really? Carter was a relative beast last year.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Completely off topic… but Don, I hate you today and your fantasy team.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I hate that I was last on the waiver wire for O’Reily.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I hate that you are already at almost 100 SA for the week and dropped a backup because you know you have a lock after 2 days, and now your trying to take G’s from me too.
Also, Carter was a beast and a half last year.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Well I’ve been carrying 4 goalies for a while. I switched back to 3. Once Ruutu goes on IR, which I’m hoping he does, I may pick back up a different back up, or just pick up another forward.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
FWIW I tried to drop my other back up before our match up started for O’Reily but I was in a bad spot for waiver #.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Having you and Geoff in back to back weeks just before playoff time has worried me all season. I got lucky last week with a pretty monster week. I still don’t feel I drafted a fantastic team, I feel like I’m the underdog every week but somehow pull just good enough stats.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
one a side not isn’t Rick Nash being a little over valued
1) Bad Contract
2) Approaching 30
3) Jeff Carter is a better a player in terms of point production
4) Jeff Carter has a much better contract
- based on those truths trading for Nash should cost less than Carter in a trade and the Flyers should really consider getting Carter back over Nash
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
Bryz for carter….doitnow!!!!!!
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 9:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How is Carter better in terms of point-production? Their stats look fairly even to me.
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
in their respective best seasons Carter was better but yeah I guess there are pretty even but even so given contract and similar point production I think Carter had more value
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
Who’s has the detter defensive aspect and by how much..if they are even nash better play the defensive side 3 million better
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think without looking it up knowing Carter was extremely good (like not many players in the league really compare) at two way I don’t think Nash can compare but Geoff if he is not dead in a ditch somewhere can verify it for sure.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
Some1 must have taken geoffs batterypack out
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I always think dinkdink when I see these guys
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not familiar enough with Nash to say for certain, but Carter is certainly capable in his own end. That said, reaper may be right; if Nash and Carter are even in all other aspects, why spend the extra on Nash if he’s not better defensively? Plus, Carter could be had for much less.
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
WE NEED FLY-BY...WE NEED FLY-BY...WE NEED FLY-BY...WE NEED FLY-BY...
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we need more hockey games 4 day breaks suck had to watch friggin Bachelor on Monday and Biggest Loser last night, god only knows the shit TV I will be saddled with tonight. 3 days in a row is too much.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
Flyers needed the rest
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just watch other games. I greatly prefer watching the Flyers, of course, but with how rarely they are on TV here, I’ll take any hockey I can get.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
My wife gets choice when hockey isn’t on unfortunately I can’t hide from the family in my man cave quite yet.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
This is true, I should have clarified that this is when I’m home alone. If she’s home, we’re usually catching up on DVR’d shows, watching a movie, or she’s putting me to work. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I find my mood has improved since the Flyers haven’t been playing. Been getting some Wii Golf in, reading some Game of Thrones, watching 76ers
it’s been pleasant, I’d dare say
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 15, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I agree. Just bought Deus Ex, no longer stressing about horrible losses, and laughing at my friends who are all Hawks fans.
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
No Fly-By, plus Meltzer was slow this morning too.. :(
by mattsotheran on Feb 15, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
So the Rangers shut out the Bruins last night. That Lundqvist is, um, pretty good.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hopefully slump the magic dragon kicks em in the head soon
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Boot to the head!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I love this video. Though I do find it strange two people are wearing the exact same shirt…
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Reaper, I think it’s just you and I around here today. Did we miss something? Are they having a big, cool party without us? Do you think they have punch and pie? Unlimited juice??
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
We arnt cool gun slinging stat guys like most around here
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was just searching for something worth commenting on – Nash rumors don’t interest me.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 15, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
We were led to believe there would be punch and pie.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 15, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
You know what’s going to be awesome? When the Rangers trade for Nash and then Snider panics and orders Homer to make a stupid move just to show that the Flyers have brass balls.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
He wants them shown in comparison to church bells he does!
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Since this seems to be the Fly By today, and since it’s relevant to the actual article topic:
Elliotte Friedman smells Nash to Flyers.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Journalism:
I think X will go here. Mentions only backup goaltender (not by name) for star player
yeesh
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 15, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
I smell bacon downstairs. I’d better go eat breakfast!
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions
TODAY'S FLY-BY....ish
Just go here! http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2012/2/15/2799969/the-noon-fly-over-under-open-thread
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 15, 2012 12:08 PM EST reply actions
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/44827-Kennedy-Rick-Nash-trade-requires-immense-return.html
The best part of the article – the Flyers aren’t mentioned ONCE. (And it’s a decent resource for knowing what prospects Homer can fish for in other unrelated trades.)
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