Friday Morning Fly By: Just Imagine How Painful Grade School Was for Nicklas
by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers-related news and notes...
- Recaps: [BSH] [CSNPhilly] [Daily News] [Inquirer] [delcotimes.com] [the700level] [Flyers Faithful] [Bill Meltzer]
- Brayden Schenn has been excellent lately: [CSNPhilly]
- Scott Hartnell and Max Talbot teamed up with Josh Elliott to sing the Action News jingle: [the700level]
- The Phantoms are in trouble as they have three injured defensemen and a short-handed forward corps: [Thursday update]
- Jakub Kovar stopped 36 of 39 shots in a 3-1 loss: [euroflyers]
- Jeremy Roenick, Brian Leetch, and Brett Hull talk about the first wave of truly great American players, from watching the Miracle on Ice and Wayne Gretzky to the States to becoming those that inspire a generation themselves: [NHL.com]
- Dominic Moore was traded by Tampa to San Jose for a second round pick, the third time in four years he's been traded for a second round pick: [Deadspin]
- Seattle unveiled a plan to build a new basketball arena, possibly paving the way for an NHL team soon: [Backhand Shelf] [icethetics]
- The group attempting to buy the Philadelphia newspapers are not exactly friends of journalism: [NYTimes.com]
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I had this crazy moment this morning when I thought: “hold up, why did we trade Minnesota and LA’s picks instead of trading our own picks? Wouldn’t that be better for us without being a deal breaker?” Then I thought “why would we want to keep our own picks?” Then I thought “we need our own picks to offer sheet RFAs!”
SO who’s an RFA that we’re going to offer sheet at the end of this season?? Because we’re going for him.
Seriously though, I am intrigued at the fact that we traded Minnesota’s third instead of our own (unless we got rid of our own and I’m just not aware of it).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 17, 2012 6:48 AM EST reply actions
We traded our 2nd round pick to Tampa last year for Meszaros rights. And the 3rd pick to Phoenix for Bryzgalov rights.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
We traded our 2012 second round pick in a trade in the 2010 offseason? I think that says everything about our dislike of all second round picks.
We can still offer a contract someone between 3.1 million and 4.7 million and give up our first and third (no second required).
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 17, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
Well, if we want to pretend that offer sheets do actually happen, just for a bit of fun….
http://capgeek.com/free_agents.php?year_id=2012&team_id=-1&position_id=-1&fa_type_id=1
I think your salary means we can forget about Weber, Green, Duchene, and probably Kane, Price, Neal.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
Erik Johnson? Former #1 pick?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 17, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
Hows he done since he went to Colorado? I know he was something of a disappointment in St Louis (Hence the trade).
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
I think that trade was win win for both clubs but need to be corrected. Erik Johnson is also primed to be traded at the deadline. With only 2.6 million cap hit and a pending RFA he could be added to the Flyers this season. He is also the much needed right handed shoot and young at only 22 years of age. His numbers don’t scream huge contract when he resigns either and could possibly resign to Giroux like contract. Also the Blues didn’t get a whole lot in return for him when they traded him.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
This would be pretty awesome thing. Living in MO, I got to watch him a bit. Even though he hasn’t really lived up to his expectations, I think he’s still got a boatload of potential.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
Since you have the info on him… since its said d men take a bit to fully develope, do you see him reaching those expectations or no?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 9:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A 1st overall pick is pretty high expectations if you don’t reach them by year 3 or 4 I don’t think you ever do.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
I thought d men don’t really hit their potential till 26 or so…at least that’s what I’ve heard around here
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 9:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its not very often a defenceman goes first though, so its hard to know what to expect.
I mean, he must be the only one in maybe….15 years?
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
Not sure – I’m no scout. But I think it’s safe to expect more from him than he has recently shown. Plus, he’s slumping a bit this year in Colorado and last year in StL.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
My girlfriend’s a Blues fan and she says Johnson was a huge disappointment there. Only athlete I’ve ever heard of to tear up his knee in a golf cart accident. But you’re right about him being cheap – he’ll be next year’s Zach Bogosian
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
Alas, he is not quite alone. Not knee, this one, but tibia.
Swansea City defender Alan Tate will be out for up to six months after breaking his leg in what his club have described as a “bizarre golfing accident”.
In a statement the club said Tate was a passenger in a golf buggy that lost control on Sunday.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
No, they should stay away from alcohol while golfing.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Then what’s the point of golf? The only legal way to drink and drive.
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 17, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hi!
Hello everyone. Long time reader, first time poster here. I’ve really enjoyed visiting this site for a while now. Had some problems getting my account going (thanks again to the SB techy crew for the fix). Lots of good stuff and insight from everyone. I hope to chime in from time to time.
The Legion of Doom would still kick butt today!
All aboard the Wayne-train!
"These cows are small, those cows are far away."
Welcome!
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 7:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Welcome :)
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by Mitchell Green on Feb 17, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions
Good to have you! Welcome. LOD reference in the sig gets a thumbs up from me.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ha! Thanks! My dad and I went to the alumni game-cool to see them in action again. Really would have liked Renberg to be there too.
The Legion of Doom would still kick butt today!
All aboard the Wayne-train!
"These cows are small, those cows are far away."
Wasn’t it? Oh man that was one of the best things ever. When they score the 11 year old inside of me just cried with joy. It was amazing!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Welcome. You get major credit for the Fr. Ted reference.
Oh how I miss that show…
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 17, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
It had to be one of the funniest shows I’ve ever seen. I have the dvds and watch them again from time to time. Love those British sitcoms. So sad that ‘Ted’ died right after they finished the 3rd & final season.
The Legion of Doom would still kick butt today!
All aboard the Wayne-train!
"These cows are small, those cows are far away."
Oh absolutely. I was just happy it was done it good humor and not maliciously. I too have all the seasons and every year sit down to watch the Christmas Episode. The writers were geniuses.
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Down with that sort of thing!
It’s a rallying cry that works well in these parts too. Love Father Ted, one of my all-time favorite TV shows.
by adlib19 on Feb 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I said “Howdy,” he said “Hi.”
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
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The sun is beating down on my baseball hat
The air is gettin’ hot, the beer is getting flat
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf. WOOOO!"
He told a little story that sounded well rehearsed
Four days on the run and that he’s dying of thirst
The brew was in my hand and he was on my tip
His voice was hoarse, his throat was dry, he asked me for a sip
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
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by flyerfreek on Feb 18, 2012 1:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
WELCOME
Nothing personel, but it would be nice to hear something other than the same ol Ding Dong. CHIME AWAY!!!
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by flyerfreek on Feb 18, 2012 1:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wayne Simmonds and Max Talbot
Both these guys were viewed as good depth players who weren’t going to add too much to the team offensively (prior to this season). However, I feel they have proven us wrong. Simmer’s on pace for 28 goals and 51 points for the season. He’s still only 23, so there’s absolutely no reason to think he’ll peak here. He may well have a 30+ goal season at some point in the future, which would be absolutely amazing. He’s a vital part of our powerplay, which is making him a lot more valuable to us than he was to LA. Talbot is on pace for 23 goals – which is also well beyond expectations.
On a related note: the Richards trade is now Mike Richards and Darroll Powe for Brayden Schenn, Wayne Simmonds and Nicklas Grossman. The jury’s still out though; given what a player Richards is.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 17, 2012 7:24 AM EST reply actions
If simmonds becomes a perennial 25 goal scorer and ups his assist total I think we win that trade, got knows we won the carter trade. If schenn only becomes a 20 goal scorer that’s still 40plus goals added and prob 75 to 100 points
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 7:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we won it already. But I agree, I think there’ll be more to their production and we’ll win it even more eventually.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Only reason why I didn’t say win is because the defensive aspect of it…richards was a monster devensively. Idk if simmer and schenn have that, yet*
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was just going to post a comment like this. Before the season I read comments from people saying that Simmonds isn’t a 20+20 guy and to not expect much offense from him, he is a just a really good third liner, etc. I’m glad he proved them wrong. Los Angeles Flyer fans must be salty we are getting this great production out of him.
-bob
by Rrainone on Feb 17, 2012 7:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It is not only the expectations on Simmonds there are a lot of comments that were made which are not proving to be true. Simmonds is one of my favorite “surprises” since I really like the way he plays the others:
The Flyers are not going to be anywhere near as good this year as last year (on pace to be within one win and 4 pts of their totals from last year pretty close to as good as they were last year).
You can never replace the scoring from losing Carter/ Richards/ Leino/ Versteeg (not only replaced but on pace to score 12 more goals, and currently the highest scoring team in the league and in the top 3 in goals per game).
I hope the this trend continues specifically with they can’t win the cup being proven false
Don’t forget “now the team will have a gritty defensive focus that will serve them better in the playoffs” and “finally an elite goalie who can carry the team”.
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Yeah, I never got to see much of Simmonds when he was in LA, but I assume they just didn’t use him the way we do? Which is surprising, because he looks right at home playing the tough spots on the ice.
I'm kind of a dick.
in LA Simmonds mainly played on the checking line
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Aww, that’s sweet :)
I won’t say I told you so, but …
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I feel like I got quite a steal picking up Hartnell and Simmonds in my fantasy league. They’ve been fantastic for me.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Simmonds is easily one of my best players right now.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
It’s always nice to be having career years for shooting %.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
PP time helps a lot.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, more so referring to Mad Max. Simmer I could see usage playing a large role.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Ah. Agreed entirely.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
At this point: Hey good game. Let’s see how the game against Pittsburgh goes
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 7:25 AM EST reply actions
Ville Leino
The man’s on pace for 6 goals and 22 points for the year. He’s paying 4.5 million per year. He’s allergic to defense.
Where does he rank amongst the worst contracts in the league?
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
One day Sean Couturier will win the Conn Smythe. You heard it here first.
by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 17, 2012 7:29 AM EST reply actions
DiPietro and Gomez take some beating. That is to say, they cannot be beaten (In terms of overlong and overpaid).
But he’s up there amongst the worst of the rest.
I’m disappointed for him, honestly. I liked Leino. I wonder how much his wallet makes up for how down on himself he must be.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
Would you be down on yourself? If my agent told me I got a contract with a hit of 4.5 MM a year with his career numbers, I’d be laughing too much to score, “suckers!”
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Is that what he’s actually getting paid, or is that just his cap hit? I believe his original contract was in the $7-8m a year range, wasn’t it?
I'm kind of a dick.
Okay, it looks like there was about $28m left when it was bought out, and I believe the buyout’s were for 2/3 of the salary, right? So that makes sense that there was about $17.5m left, and it just got stretched out over 8 years…..is this correct?
Lucky bastard…..and he’s playing over in the KHL. Wonder if his contract over here affects that?
I'm kind of a dick.
It looks like from now to the end of the contract, the two are close to the same amount, per capgeek.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
So my stat test is at 11….really hoping just to pass
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 7:59 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is interesting
Ranger’s Defense stumbles out of the gate
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 8:35 AM EST reply actions
Anyone listen to the game last night?
There was a good 5 minute conversation on how its ok to call little people midgets as long as its in a hockey rink.
It was awkward and went on way too long and was amazing.
I think it sparked during a 2 on 1 with Gerbe and possibly Vanek.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Did anyone go to “Die by the Blade”: http://www.diebytheblade.com their clip from Anchorman in regards to last night’s game was just perfect.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
very funny and not the trash the Die By the Blade but there Daily Links aka Fly-By only got 11 comments yesterday. I believe we hit 11 before 9 am. Kudos to the BSH community for kicking ass.
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
Let it be known that for a moment in time my team was beating Geoff’s in BSH Champions League Fantasy.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
looks like it’s back to the minor leagues for us
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
indeed.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
it’ll be like a bad sequel
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Knucklepuck.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
I believe in you… I always have.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Will you still believe in me after I orchestrate trades with two of your biggest competitors?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
If its Geoff and Don, I already figured you would. I had my shot, afterall. Unless you know, you trade Zetterberg for Legwand straight up… then your dead to me.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Haha. I’m not that stupid / apathetic
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think his trade with Geoff is going to help him make a push, just wish he didn’t get rid of Rinne.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
that artifact is currently chilling on my team that won’t make the top 10
you’re welcome
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
No, I didn’t really want him that bad, just wish Shaun had kept him. I like the trade he is making now a lot.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
“meh”
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Looking back i think I like the trade you offered me better than the one CCB did but….BLUES!
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah, but then you wouldn’t have had the pieces for this trade (Hank Z). It all works out.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
You like what Shaun is doing?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think the answer is obvious, but yes.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Yeah, the way I see it: I grabbed Kostitsyn off waivers a couple weeks ago. If I can use a guy I grabbed off waivers – who, admittedly, I’m proud to say I grabbed him when he was sucking – and add him to Marian Hossa – who I love drafting in the middle rounds, he’s always undervalued – and turn him into Zetterberg, I’m doing it.
I don’t often make moves like this, but after being in first all year, it’s time to turn my moneyball strategy into some elite players.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think it makes you weaker, but that’s just me (what truly scared me about your team was your RW’s; this makes an already strong LW marginally stronger, while significantly weakening your RW). Hossa was another Wideman esc pick where you nabbed him when I had him targeted. I had 3 guys targeted after my 4th pick at RW, none of them made it to me.
Also, 5th round is hardly middle, it’s top 3rd.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Some reason I thought I grabbed him in 7th. Whatever.
I don’t look at it as “it makes this position marginally stronger, that position significantly weaker”. I look at it as “Zetterberg > Hossa, by about one Kostitsyn.”
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Since we have positions to fill out and a limited amount of space for each one, I look at both.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Are you finally seeing why I coveted a RW 1st round Don? I still think its the steepest dropoff from elite to “meh” of any position. I think if they werent so liberal about letting centers slot LW/RW I’d have a more solid lock on top 3.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
I never said it was bad, I just don’t like Perry that much especially over Malkin at 3; plus I also saw everyone I wanted available in rounds 4 and 5. Not to mention Neal was there in the 8th Round.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Neal came out of nowhere far as I’m concerned. Maybe next year I will rescind my “no drafting Penguins” policy. It makes it hard to draft competitively.
My initial response was, "I hate you so much right now" but I changed it.
by DLJr on Oct 19, 2011 1:15 PM EDT
Be that as it may, it doesn’t change the fact that you can get plenty of RW’s outside of the top 3, and a ton of quality in Round 4 or 5. And even though Neal was a surprise this year, it’s not like he is a bad fantasy player in a 20 team league at RW.
Yeah, not drafting Pens is a really bad strategy.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I’m comin’ for you guys next year, if all continues to go well.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
GROSSMAN WILL WEAR #8 FOR THE FLYERS
per Flyers facebook page.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 10:06 AM EST reply actions
Does that mean Walker isn’t ever coming back?
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
Walker’s now living comfortably at a farm in upstate New York. Don’t worry about him coming back.
Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life
Still one of the worst trades the Flyers ever made.
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
No doubt – but you also have to keep in mind it was a salary dump.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Still should have moved Gagne first before acquiring Meszaros. They handcuffed themselves.
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
Still should havemovedkept Gagne first before acquiring Meszaros. They handcuffed themselves.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
So, we’re all gonna call this new guy “Rex” if he has any brutal turnovers, yes?
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You betcha.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Eric Wellwood
Is he in line for a playoff roster spot? Gotta believe we won’t be seeing much of Sestito, Shelley, or Rinaldo. And I think there is still an APB out on Harry Z’s whereabouts so assuming everyone is healthy (JVR, Briere) there is one spot open, is it his?
Rinaldo played in the playoffs last year. He made the team out of camp this year. Nothing has happened to convince me Lavy will take him out of the lineup for someone Rinaldo beat out of a job at least twice.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 10:35 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wouldn’t mind seeing a 4th line of Wellwood – Coots – Z / Rinaldo
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
19 – 28 – 68
21 – 48 – 93
24 – 10 – 17
27 – 14 – 47/29/36/45/32
I think you’re forgetting about someone.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
27 – 14 – 47/29/36/45/32
The Lottery line?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, okay.
If JVR is still out for the playoffs, I’d love if the Flyers were smart enough to have Couturier/Wellwood/Zolnierczyk as the fourth line. I think the odds of that happening – with Rinaldo, Shelley, and Sestito all healthy – are 0.9%.
Rinaldo beat out Shelly, Sestito, Wellwood, Holmstrom, Kalinski, and Testwuide to play in the playoffs last year. Rinaldo beat out Shelly, Sestito, Wellwood, Holmstrom, Kalinski, Zolnierczyk, Nodl, and Testwuide to start the year in the opening day lineup. If he’s healthy, Laviolette will play him.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
And I’m ok with Rinaldo playing. I would just like to see Wellwood get an extended shot – I think he has a chance to impress a lot of people.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
So I guess I’d sooner see Harry Z out rather than Wellwood.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
none scoring, not good with the puck, waste of size. hopefully a better stay-at-home Dman than lilja
by fitzy first on Feb 17, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Grossman is not very physical… supposedly
by fitzy first on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
We don’t need him for scoring or carrying the puck. We need a solid, defensive defenseman. And from what I’ve read, that’s what he is.
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My main concern is the talk of his turnovers. As long as he can get the puck safely to someone else to take it up ice, I think he’ll be fine.
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Or, if he’s paired with Timonen or Carle or Mez, across the ice to someone who can move it up the ice.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
That’s more or less what I had in mind by saying “get the puck safely to someone else to take it up ice.” Except “across the ice” makes me nervous because it implies cross-ice pass in front of our own net. And I ALWAYS hate doing that. So did Fred Shero, if I’m not mistaken.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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My duh. I totally misread your post. Here’s what I thought I saw:
As long as he can get the puck safelyto someone else to take itup ice, I think he’ll be fine.
Sorry.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Plus, he’s a talent upgrade from Lilja. And 9 years younger.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
This an more this.
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You made that clear when you said:
great, another Lilja
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Well, you’re obviously not impressed by his scouting report. I think he’ll be fine for the role we want him to fill. But neither of us have had eyes on him to know, so let’s see how he is tomorrow against Pittsburgh and go from there.
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from everything I’ve read on here people are saying he wont let people stand in front of our goalie, which sounds pretty physical to me
by profoundnotions on Feb 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah. So maybe “not physical” means he doesn’t fight or throw big checks? If he helps clear the crease, I don’t care.
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yeah same. I think we have plenty of other players that throw big checks and fight
by profoundnotions on Feb 17, 2012 1:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
in fact.
we have so many, we were just having a discussion about which ones will make the playoff roster.
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 17, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if that’s a hope more than an expectation though.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
we’re all hoping someone takes care of the crease. has a good stick to ward away more ranger arsholes from scoring
by fitzy first on Feb 17, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
96 hits and 100 blocked shots in 52 games … that sounds moderately physical to me.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
not good with the puck
Care you elaborate what specifically you mean by this?
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 17, 2012 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, i dont care about Grossman’s fighting ability. dallas is just dumping a UFA. I like the fact Gman is good on the PK. but we need a good stick and physicality on the boards and crease
by fitzy first on Feb 17, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
That’s answering everything except the question, which was what specifically do you mean by “not good with the puck”?
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Am I on punk’d right now?
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 17, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
So, wait… Dominic Moore was traded to a team he was scheduled to play against that evening? Did he play in last night’s game for the Sharks?
No he was a scratch for the Sharks that night.
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damn.
that literally would’ve been one of the coolest things ever. just show up at the arena, grab your equipment from the locker room, stroll down the hallway to the other locker room.
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 17, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Figuratively.
It actually happened in MLB’s last preseason. The Royals and Rangers share a ballpark in Arizona. The Royals acquired Matt Treanor (journeyman catcher) before a Royals-Rangers game. Pretty interesting.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
That’s how the Flyers got Moose DuPont from the St Louis Blues.
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Flyers Wives Carnival
My girlfriend asked if I wanted to go. I’ve never been before. How is it? Would I stand out like a toolbag there (more then normally), or is it for adults?
Can you buy stuff there at a decent price? The newest Flyers product I have is a Forsberg 3rd Jersey. If I’m getting stuff signed, It should probably be newer.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions
I went when I was a senior in college and I stood in line to play Guitar Hero with Lasse Kukonen. (I also got on tv while playing) It’d be really hard to look like a toolbag. Everyone is there too meet players and to have fun so everyone, to an extent is a kid while they’re there.
I didn’t buy anything except a mystery bag while I was there (handed to me personally by Donna Ashbee because my girlfriend knows her.)
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
reasonably priced
it’s the NHL
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by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going, too, through work. I think it’s for everyone. Not sure if there are any ways to get autographs outside of purchasing one through their booths (which are all sold out, unfortunately), but perhaps we can run into one and take a photo?
This is the first time I’ve ever gone myself, though I think I’ve watched it on TV for as long as it’s been on PRISM and Comcast.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Good point. Just checked tickets, everything’s sold out except tickets for our concussed kid.
Tickets for pictures with the cup are available, but that seems sacrilegious to me until the Flyers win.
"Because wives and girlfriends aren’t on the road."
by BannedStreetBully on Feb 17, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I went last year with my brother. We had a good time. Seeing and meeting the players up close was cool. Alumni row is VERY popular and the line for that gets insanely long, especially when the general admission folks are let in. If I remember, it’s one set price for all the alumni players but I don’t remember the cost. Wasn’t expensive.
As for the current team, I think it was $15 for two autographs for each player. The more popular Flyers (G, Jagr, Briere, JVR) are always sold out early -they run $25 per autograph.
The Legion of Doom would still kick butt today!
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"These cows are small, those cows are far away."
You can buy autographs, photos and experiences like playing video games with certain players the day of the Carnival. Some players like Giroux, Bryz, Briere, and Jagr are already sold out when it comes to autos/photos but Timmonen, Hartnell, Talbot, Read, Carle, Mez, Coburn, Voracek, JVR, Schenn, Simmonds (a photo could be interesting after last night!), and Bob are available.
And funny story my friend played guitar hero with G a few years and beat him.
by adlib19 on Feb 17, 2012 11:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just watching the replay….on Talbot’s 2nd goal from Wellwood, he is so fired up, he screams at him, “NICE FUCKING PASS!” Awesome…..not exceeding our expectations so quietly…..
I'm kind of a dick.
I need to see the highlights. Had to leave after the first period and the bar I went to didn’t have the game on. Since they were coming back I decided not to ask to get it put on as to not tempt fate. Still haven’t seen any of the goals.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
and me ;)
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by Cillo stache on Feb 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
We are referring to people of age that don’t drink.
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I drink very rarely and stop at one drink. Does that count?
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 18, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
I drink and you still come off as an alcoholic to me.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
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So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 17, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Whither Danny?
Not much mention here of losing Danny after barely three minutes of TOI. If concussion symptoms have returned, put yourself in his position. He’s a multimillionaire, he has a family of young boys, and he has witnessed the haunting specter of the player formerly known as Pronger. Stitching up a lip is one thing, but getting an injured brain back in place is something else. JVR should take note of Danny’s outcome, and return iff all symptoms have disappeared.
by Lesion of Doom on Feb 17, 2012 11:11 AM EST reply actions
Just bombed that stat test….like a baws!
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by reaper1221 on Feb 17, 2012 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I’m confused. Probably because I’m old. To me, bombed means bad. But like a boss is good. I have no idea what’s going on.
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Come on Hintz, like a boss.
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yes. Making one believe that “bombed” is the newer version of the colloquialism, a verb form of “it’s the bomb”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
ok well i failed that test.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Saying “like a boss” is a meme which stems mainly from a song by the Lonely Island.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
I understand “like a boss”, but it seems to contradict “bombed”.
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I think that’s the point. Watch the video. He’s singing about doing things that aren’t “boss” like a “boss.”
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
I took it the same way, seems contradictory.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
it meant i failed that test like a boss
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he does the same thing in the video lol pussied out like a boss now im dead like a boss…it fits
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He dropped Already Platinum and it only sold gold, like a boss.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
So many morons on hockey blogs and sports news sites are saying we vastly overpaid for Grossman, citing that he only has 5 points as an example. Do people realize that defenseman are usually supposed to play uh… defense? DURR WHAT’S A DEFENSIVE DEFENSEMAN HURRRRR
Late 2nd and 3rd round picks are not a lot to give up for a underpaid defensive defenseman who gets a shit ton of blocks and hits, logs almost 20 minutes a game, and has great size and physicality.
It is an overpayment for a guy who is potentially only going to play 30ish games on your team. And they aren’t both late round picks, they are mid to possibly late round picks depending on if LA gets into the playoffs.
It’s not the worst trade ever, not by a long shot but it is an overpayment.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
At any other time of the year, it would be an overpayment for a role player who is UFA bound, and with the upcoming draft being considered pretty deep.
But seeing that it’s the trade deadline, with overpayment being the norm, and almost a necessity, the Flyers probably are getting fair value.
It all changes, of course, if Grossman plays well enough that the Flyers choose to lock him up and he becomes a long-term asset.
But seeing that it’s the trade deadline, with overpayment being the norm, and almost a necessity, the Flyers probably are getting fair value.
I agree with the first part and disagree with the second.
Is overpaying at the deadline the norm? Probably.
But does that mean they are getting value? Not to me it doesn’t. . Just because you most likely have to overpay to get a move done doesn’t mean you have to make a move.
If the Flyers can lock him up to a decent cap hit, which I am not sure they will have the ability to even do, then I would say it’s a decent deal. But I don’t see how they are going to have the money for it without losing some dollars somewhere else.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
But does that mean they are getting value? Not to me it doesn’t. . Just because you most likely have to overpay to get a move done doesn’t mean you have to make a move.
Maybe fair value isn’t the right term to use here… probably expected value is more accurate.
it seems like a seller’s market this year, at least so far and especially for defensemen, so that needs to be factored in a little too.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I’m hearing so many people saying he was a stupid acquisition because we can’t score. That’s not why we wanted him! And the best part, we didn’t have to give up any (current roster) scoring to get him. Two picks, and the specific rounds, may be overpayment to some, but I’m still pretty happy.
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Agree. We didn’t get him for his offensive prowness. I did hold my breath when I saw the headlines that the Flyers made a trade. I was thinking, “Oh God. Who did we give up?”.
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We didn’t get him so he could score, we got him to prevent the other team from scoring
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by Cillo stache on Feb 17, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
Which one?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
The NYTimes piece. His first two paragraphs destroyed all credibility with this reader; at the age of 57 he should know better (I’m guessing he actually does). He goes on to state the obvious, then finishes with a plug for his book. Ironically, he doesn’t create a link out of the title taking one to Amazon to check it out.
I just feel dumber for having read it.
/rant over
haha, fair enough. Eric included that one since I don’t usually link to op-ed pieces in the NYT. :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
BTW:
The best defense…., the public’s only defense, has always been the existence of the city’s two newspapers, The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Philadelphia Daily News.Wrong!
there’s so much in there. pompous. self-serving. selective memory (and short-term, as you note). GloryDays’d.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
i kind of agree, theres no need for another newspaper to turn into the dribble they have at huffington post
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IMO just about every paper that ends in Post stinks. WaPo, NY Post…
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
the Washington Post is a pretty damn good paper at least it was right before I left. With all the issues facing traditional print new outlets I’m not sure if anything has changed in 3 or 4 years.
I hate their sports writers. At least the ones that cover UMD.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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Strange but
As much as I am involved with SABR stuff and sports blogging I rarely read sports pages unless they are in the morning links. I let the poor soul who’s responsible for providing the digital cup o’ joe wade thru the crap for me,
robot sanitation engineers that they are. Other than rags like SI, I think this is a much better venue for sports writing.
Yeah, that’s usually all that I read in any paper and theirs are absolutely fricken terrible. Remember the article before the Flyers-Caps series in 2008? The one that Flyers got a C&D for distributing at a game? Awful.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
There’s definitely reason to be concerned.
I’m responding to the way Bissinger is talking about it (and how he has talked about other things in the lsat 10 years, like bloggers). He paints with the broadest brush, goes over the top emotionally, cherrypicks information, and writes in a world in which he and woefully few other “us” are protecting the world from “them.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoyed his article about NY sports, though. Just because it was funny.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
yes it was.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
The news story in the Times has some decent reporting on it, so that’s worthwhile because you’re not going to get the story in the Inky/News. Hopefully they and others stay on it.
Buzz has been getting on high horses for awhile now, one of the early anti-blog ranters. He used to be a fantastic investigative reporter.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
you hate Seattle?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Wooo, look at the “Fan Confidence Poll.” I could sled down that. Does anyone actually vote in that thing?
It’s amazing what a slump can do.
I heart our rookies.
I vote, but for me the slider has too many options. I either pick the very bottom if I’m majorly pissed at the team, the middle if I’m ‘meh’, or the very top if I feel great about them.
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THN predicts 50-50 chance the Flyers buy-out Bryz if given the option after the season.
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Likeliest buyout: Say it with me: Il-ya Bryz-ga-lov (clap-clap, clap-clap-clap)! I know time flies as you get older, but eight years from now (when the inconsistent goalie’s contract expires) feels like a century away.
Likelihood team buys him out: 3. It sounds preposterous, the idea Flyers owner Ed Snider would cut a check for two-thirds of the $40 million the team owes Bryzgalov over the next eight years. But never underestimate Snider’s competitiveness (or his considerable personal fortune). If Bryzgalov belly-flops in the playoffs, there’s every chance the team could reverse course on its riskiest investment.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/44844-Proteau-Teambyteam-buyout-candidates-Pt-2.html
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I don’t care who owns the team, nobody can afford to pay an athlete $40M to take a hike.
If there is amnesty, the Flyers ought to look long and hard at Briere, IMO.
That’s what I was thinking too. 40 mil for inconsistent-but-occasionally-very-good Bryz is better than 2/3 of 40 mil for absolutely nothing.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 17, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
but is a 6 mill cap hit worth a inconsistent-but-occasionally-very-good Bryz
i say do the buy out let bob take over use the extra money to resign all the guys we want aka carle jagr and maybe grossman if he takes well here
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jagr at less of a hit though since he’ll be turning 41 that year
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I hope they buy him out.
And this has nothing to do with Bryz and how he has done this year. There was virtually no chance he was ever going to play upto his salary, there may be two goalies in the NHL that could, but this has everything to do with the fact that the money could be better spent elsewhere.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Let’s pretend Snider is hell-bent on getting rid of the guy… who steps in as #1? Bob? He hasn’t really shown that he’s consistent enough to be counted on. Have you taken a look at the upcoming UFA goalie class? Yikes. I guess you could try to make a deal for a Luongo or a Miller… but those contracts are pretty bad, too.
Better to ride it out w/ Bryz, IMO. At least until Hovinen shows up and steals the job out from under him! :)
You’re right, Bob hasn’t looked fantastic, at least lately but I would give him the job at half of what Bryz makes and use the rest of that money to help the defense. That to me would be a better allocation of resources IMO.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Or, buying out Briere would create more short-term cap-space, and there are ready-made replacements for him in Schenn, Read, and Couturier.
If they let Jagr go, and if they need to put Pronger on perpetual LTIR, and a bevy of smaller one-way deals coming off the books, they could actually have enough cap space to address all their needs this summer w/o buying anyone out.
I actually wouldn’t be opposed to buying out Briere. But that is mostly because I don’t really like Briere and he too is way overpaid, and as you mentioned, they have other centers to take his spot.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
There are 3 obvious option: Briere, Bryz, and Pronger.
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Yep. And the reality is, one of them is probably never playing again so I guess you pretty much have to use it on him, unless putting him on LTIR every year makes sense which I don’t know that it does(or that it doesn’t.)
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
The league may also not allow the LTIR spot for Pronger. To be granted, he has to be attempting to make a comeback. We’re fortunate with Lappy, but maybe not so much with Pronger.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Though, I remember reading somewhere that 35 and older contracts are under discussion for the CBA, possibly taking away the automatic cap hit after retirement.
While that would be nice for Pronger and the Flyers, that opens a whole can of shady cap-circumvention deals.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Which you could solve by putting a limit to how large of a jump is possible in the actual yearly salary, like the last year of contract must be at least 50% of the highest yearly salary.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
There’s already the rule that no year to year change in salary can be greater than half of either Year 1 or Year 2 salary, whichever is lower.
It hasn’t worked.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I know, but if they expand upon that line of thinking, it would work. If a guy wants to make $7M in one season, then nowhere in the contract should he be making $1M.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Would that make teams hesitant to sign a 31 year old UFA to anything beyond 5 years? Because both player and team know he’s not going to be worth $4 million at age 37, but he could easily be worth $8 million at age 31.
And if teams are signing shorter contracts, will the players want to give up the security of 8, 9, 10, 11 year contracts?
In theory, I like what you’re trying to do. In practice, I don’t see either side liking this solution.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, it will basically force everyone into shorter contracts, even though both sides want longer contracts. I’ll have to keep thinking about a better solution.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
Like a beret??
:)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 18, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
I found it odd that a google search of “Tam-O-Shanter” lead to images of both hats and hockey action, but apparently that’s the name of an ice hockey rink in OH.
It’s also a Robert Burns poem that inspired a pretty amazing overture by Malcom Arnold. Awesome trombone solo. :-)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Malcolm Arnold. We are getting far afield. Very cool.
You a trombone player?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 18, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Aye. :-)
You?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I was, haven’t picked it up in a few years. Always get sad when I here jazz or some good horn.
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Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 18, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
pianist. had a co-worker who was a trombone player. we used to wrestle through the Hindemith Trombone Sonata and other pieces, transcriptions etc. Wonderful instrument, undervalued.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 18, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
There are 3 obvious option: Briere, Bryz, and Pronger.
All 3 FTW! Go for it, Ed! Your kids don't need an inheritance!!! We need a Cup!!!!
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Briere is forgivable, given the landscape at the time.
But it’s unfortunate that the Flyers have not one but two contracts for which the day after they were signed, everyone knew it was a crippling-anchor kind of long-term overpay.
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the leighton-boucher theory? i like…simply because bob is way faster post to post than boosh or leights and hes only 22, way way more time to grow
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Yeah, but won’t a chunk of that still go against the cap? For..like…sixteen years?
I remember seeing a capgeek calculation that said in 2018 and 2019, he’ll cost over 5 mil against the cap each of those two years. Or something. I don’t know, but I remember thinking “yikes!”
I’d rather give Bryz an oppotunity to right whatever’s wrong with his ship.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 17, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
No I think with the new CBA and the one time amnesty or whatever they are calling it, it wouldn’t count against the cap at all. Or I could be totally wrong. I am basing that on the NBA’s Amnesty Clause from their new CBA.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
This, I believe the CBA allows you to always do the 2/3 pay off, 1/2 against cap for twice as long. What we hope for is at least one true “amnesty” provision.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Ooooooooooooooh. Well if that’s the case, that changes everything.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I’d buyout either Pronger, Briere, maybe JVR before Bryz
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I don’t understand why people want to buy Briere out, he costs 833k more than Bryz and only has 3 years left. Bryz has 8 years left and for more than half that time will have the highest cap hit on the team, unless Giroux gets a better deal than both Richie and Carter got. I’d rather take another 3 years of overpaying Briere than another 8 years of overpaying Bryz, especially when the difference between their cap hits is less than $1M.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
This
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 17, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not calling you out specifically M, I’ve just seen that posted around recently and am looking to hear the reasoning.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 17, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t believe this is happening, but I think I’m about to drop Richie from my fantasy team. He’s having an awful year and I don’t know that I can keep waiting for it to turn around. I want to pick up Mike Fisher from NSH, and looking at who to drop to make room, Richie’s numbers don’t look so good. :-/
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Richie can’t handle that kind of betrayal again…he’s fragile.
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
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by Cillo stache on Feb 17, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
I hate to do it to him, because he was perennially one of the best guys on my roster. But right now he’s by far the worst of my forwards over the past month. His numbers are even poor among my defensemen. He just hasn’t recovered since coming off IR in December.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
tell me what you really think
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"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hey, it wasn't me. Lamont said it. So, too much ripple?
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I would like to make an open request to the universe:
Can people please stop driving their cars into the back of my car?
Thanks in advance.
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It was a funny angle!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
And where did you lose him? It’s not as though he’s a set of car keys now, is it?
I'm kind of a dick.
And it’s not as if he’s incon-fucking-spicuous, now, is it?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Whenever somebody is irritating me I say that I’m getting heartburn. Unfortunately, it goes over most peoples heads.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t look like your average horti-fucking-culturalist, Willy. That’s my point.
Switched movies!
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Me too. Now I REALLY want to watch it…
I’ve been toying with the idea of making a sporcle character map quiz for Snatch, the same way my buddy did for Back to the Future, Princess Bride, and Pulp Fiction. (All inspired by xkcd.)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
It must be a Bay Area thing. In six years I’ve gotten nine notes tucked into my windshield.
“I’m sorry. I was stoned and backed my car into yours. I can’t tell if there is any damage haha. Please call me at this e-mail address. Oh, that’s an @ sign there. Sorry.”
I thought at first it was living on a hill but nope. Flat ground too.
Hope it’s ok. And don’t park near the marijuana dispensaries.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Traffic on the freeway. Driver A’s foot slips off the brake, she rear-ends Driver B, who rear-ends Driver Eric T.
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damn causation.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
by the way, your spelling is pretty good. i mean, while driving.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Filling out the claim form on-line is funny.
Were there any passengers in your car? [ ] Yes [ ] No [ ] I don’t know
Is this the insurance company’s version of a field sobriety test? “Aw, shit man, I can’t remember. Johnny, were you in the car with me?”
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hahaha. “Baby might be on board.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
your telling me you dont enjoy free way bumpercars?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
My day just got even weirder.
On New Years’ Eve, I took my kid to see the Sixers play at the Warriors. Someone from the Warriors just called me to ask if I enjoyed the game and was interested in buying tickets to another.
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“The Warriors have placed two tickets under the front bumper and apologize for any damage.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this happens to me every year after I buy tickets to see the Flyers play in DC. The Caps want to sign me up for season tickets.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hm. I’ve gone to a lot of sporting events in my life and it’s the first time I’ve had anyone call me to ask about a follow-up visit.
But I guess I’m glad to hear it’s not unique to the Warriors; I hung up the phone thinking “jeez, how desperate for sales are they?”
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It has been a recent thing though. Companies are paying attention to what people buy and reaching out to them to get them to buy more. Your credit card was new in their system, so they’re trying to get their foot in the door with you.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
They’re doing it in the arts as well, theater and dance and classical music.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I read an article yesterday about Target watching your purchases to determine when your shopping habits change because you’re about to have a baby, then they hit you with marketing to try to get you to buy all of your baby needs there. Getting expectant/new parents to shop somewhere is like the holy grail, apparently.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
if this weren’t a hockey blog i would start a rant.
maybe soon they can more specifically engineer behavior.
“Condoms are very expensive here at Target. It’s a buyer’s market for diaper futures.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
It’s true. I must have spent several thousand dollars preparing for the arrival of our first child. Hell, I bought a damn car (only had a motorcycle before), so you get the idea. Cribs, car seats, clothes, high chairs … the list is shockingly long, trust me.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not to ruin everybodys day...
but FLYERROB is on hold on 97.5 right now. I can’t imagine what this is going to be like.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 17, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions
He’s on there all the time. See if he mentions either his religious beliefs, or his military service.
I'm kind of a dick.
SeeDrink if he mentions either his religious beliefs, or his military service.
FTFY
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I’d drink because at one point in time he represented our country, armed with a rifle, interacting with very impressionable people
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 17, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty tame call. Said that he would like to send JVR and FMAB/BAMF to TOR for Schenn.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 17, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Did he finally get banned from there? I can’t keep track where he is and is no longer welcome.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
As of about 2 weeks ago, yeah. It had to do with a FanPost he had put up. I tried to access it, but it got blocked when he got banned.
I'm kind of a dick.
There was some veiled mention by member(s) in the PPP gamethread when we played on 2/9 that he was banned for, like, agreeing with the Nazis, or something (?). I’ve no idea what they were talking about. His last SBN activity that pops up is dated 1/26/12.
No, no, I think something else happened. I think it must be something of which all traces were removed and he was, perhaps, banned across all of SBN. He doesn’t show up anywhere else since that date at any of the other hockey blogs he’s joined in SBN.
He hasn’t logged into his SBN account since January 23rd.
He was banned by PPP on January 26th.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
OK, yeah, I suppose “SBN” and “PPP” are different accounts. Still, since I discern nothing objectionable in his final comments, and no activity at any affiliated blogs since that time, I concluded that there must be something that we (the “rank and file”) can’t see. Nor should.
I just can’t believe he could keep his mouth shut for so long about any topic.
haha, well we can see when he last logged in, but we can’t see the last time he clicked on a specific site (maybe we can, but I can’t/don’t know). So I can see that he hasn’t logged into SBN (and who knows, maybe he visited PPP but didn’t log in since he can’t comment anyway) since January 23rd and I can see every time content was deleted, warnings were issues, bans were levied, etc. While they’re not different accounts, I can see action dates (PPP banning) and account dates (log in).
But yeah, not like any of that matters.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. I mean, he was building quite an impressive rap sheet for himself. He only had a few more major incidents left before he got booted for good. Maybe this was it. And we missed the fun. Darn?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Oh yeah? Wow, I thought if they hadn’t banned him yet, they never would.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I know him and JaredFomLondon had some epic battles. Well, epic in the way that Jared dismantled him….
I'm kind of a dick.
Not epic for the sheer levels of ignorance and bigotry displayed by FR? Can it be both?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I will never forget his explanation as to why “Iraqi Dooshbag Pork Eaters” wasn’t offensive…..
I'm kind of a dick.
Clearly, it’s just a joke! Laugh! Smile!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
First belly laugh of the day. thank you.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
only reason i laugh at that is because the way he spells doosh reminds me of that movie with the karate panda where he says “SKAdoosh!”
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
Here’s a pretty accurate summary of the injuries. It’s almost comical with the amount of variety….get well soon boys, work’s a bitch sometimes….
The Flyers won without Jaromir Jagr (flu), James van Riemsdyk (concussion), Zac Rinaldo (suspension), and they lost center Danny Briere (upper-body injury) and winger Tom Sestito (lower-body injury) during the game.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
This is funny because I know English isn’t your first language, so I’m hearing it said in halting, serious English.
I'm kind of a dick.
Sort of like, " I am a sex machine. Would you like to touch my penis?"
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 18, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
You need to ease up on the day drinking when you are unsupervised.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Unfortunately, I’m sober at the moment. Not for long, though, I’m heading to MacGrady’s at 3.
I'm kind of a dick.
Ah MacGrady’s. I’m flashing back to trying to set the high score on our breathalyzer and leaving with several mistakes.
The good ol’ days/
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Yep. Trying to go find some Lehigh girls that might be skipping their last class and starting the weekend early. I love girls that day-drink.
I'm kind of a dick.
I definitely depend on you for my vicarious living.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Yeah, just slightly, but that blue pill keeps you much younger.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
Something Bryz might say, minus the “a”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
dangerous beasts, eh?
Following Dan Carcillo where ever he may go
Read, Rinaldo and Sestito Flyercrushes until his return
by Cillo stache on Feb 17, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
did bryz have a good game last night?
i counted one great safe on a night of ho-hum competition… the commentator mentioned bryzy’s bad rebound play. leighton/boosch/bob all had the same issue. is it a curse?
Place your bets!
Today’s question: Where does Jeff Carter end up? Or are there no buyers and he stays put?
Bonus points for guessing the player(s) given in exchange for him.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Jonathan Bernier.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ilya Bryzgalov
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Jersey Shore. For Snooki and Pauly D.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
A friend of mine suggested Carter to the Caps for Neuvirth and 1st/Johannsen. I can’t take credit for it, but wanted to put his idea out there.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
i can see Carter to the Caps… It makes a lot of sense, actually. And that trade may actually be fair. But I wonder if Washington would rather give up Holtby. Add in the 1st and maybe a young defenseman (Orlov?), I wonder if Washington would do that.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
stays put
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
"I got a crosscheck to the face and lost a bunch of teeth. You battle through it. That’s the way hockey players are made." - Claude Giroux
I can see that. It’s not like waiving his NTC would be difficult in the future.
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
His NTC is gone. Note capgeek doesn’t put a lock logo by his name. Once he waived it, that clause is no longer in his contract. Another team could choose to honor it, but technically it is gone.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I thought it was for a different reason to this. He didn’t waive it to go to Columbus because it wasn’t active yet, and then the new team can choose whether to honour it or not. Something like that.
Tracking the Flyers scoring chances at Broad Street Hockey
Right. Carter never waived it, it was never in existence yet.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
As always, it’s possible that the clear language of the CBA has been superseded by secret agreements between the NHL and NHLPA, but here’s what the CBA says:
If the Player is Traded or claimed on Waivers prior to the no-Trade or no-move clause taking effect, the clause does not bind the acquiring Club. An acquiring Club may agree to continue to be bound by the no-Trade or no-move clause, which agreement shall be evidenced in writing to the Player, Central Registry and the NHLPA, in accordance with Exhibit 3 hereof.
The Blue Jackets said they would honor the clause, but we don’t know whether that was a “meh, we’ll let him have the say if he wants” kind of comment or a submitted-in-writing-in-accordance-with-Exhibit-3 kind of formality.
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The guys over at Defending Big D are rooting for the Stars to get Carts. They have like 8 picks this draft, and a bunch of cap room, and not very many forwards signed beyond this year. In return for their sending us Grossman, I vote for Dallas getting Carter in exchange for three draft picks and Vernon Fiddler.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 18, 2012 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hal Gill to Nashville...
…for Boom Boom Geoffrion’s grandson, Robert Slaney and a 2nd.
Wow, guess the Flyers didn’t overpay for Grossman after all…
Next on Hoarders: Buried Alive...
Nashville never thought it would come to this.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
This doesn't make any sense
Geoffrion was slated to be a PR dream for the Preds. Even if he would only be a 4th liner, he grew up in Nashville. I don’t get it.
And for Hal Gill? Say what? Not only do the Preds not need him, he will slow them down. They need offense!
Unless…..this is a prelude to a Suter trade (as a frequent Preds viewer on TV, shudder).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
A Suter AND Weber trade!
To Philly!
For Shelley, and Sestito!
by mattsotheran on Feb 17, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, except I’ve been posting like mad at On the Forecheck and the Preds fans (at least the hard core ones at OTF) are OK with letting Blake go, and somehow think this will bring them closer to a Stanley Cup and convince Suter and Weber to stay. Given that Hal Gill does not play forward, and based on his playoff performance against the Flyers in 2010 seems to barely move at all, it seems unlikely to seriously improve the Preds chances.
But they clearly think Suter won’t be traded now.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Great...
now all the relief i felt yesterday when the Flyers didn’t panic and sell half the team for 2.5 months of Suter/Weber is gone…
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 17, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
This. A 2nd and 3rd seems cheap, relatively.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
funny thing is NSH is the ones set the price so high with their asking prices for Suter and Weber I just don’t see why the hell the need another D-Man
Nodl 12G 127GP, Talbot 10G 44GP
This. OTF is blowing up with mostly positive comments (and my futile attempts at bringing in rational views of Hal Gill).
They need offense. I think at least 2 of their D besides Suter and Weber are at least as good and maybe better than Gill.
Gill would be useful as one of those posts construction crews use on houses when they are tearing down walls.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I was getting it on Twitter too.
Nashville is really exicted about turning a 2nd round pick and a guy who scored 0.82 ppg in the AHL last year at age 24 (who also happened to be a PR benefit) into… Hal Pylon Gill.
I hate the deadline.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 17, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
AAANNNDDD
It turns out the Preds fans agree with me.., kind of.
He’ll replace Hillen and/or Frankie. That’s an upgrade on our 3rd defense pair.
So they are making the trade the Flyers did for Grossman (for the same purpose) . Yet they have far, far more needs on offense than the Flyers. And they paid more for the pylon, including the native Nashvillian (who’s apparently regressed, but still).
WOULD NOT WANT (were I a serious Preds fan).
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Ach du lieber Himmel
I forgot to add the context: this pic is of a pickup team that calls themselves, “The Pylons”. Their names and numbers are on the backs of the orange vests.
If the best thing about the Grossman trade turns out to be that we didn’t get Gill I’m ok with that.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 17, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Question for my fellow females...
who have ordered shirts from the BSH store.
How have the sizes you’ve ordered fit compared to sizes of shirts you regularly buy in person?
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Just ordered the DSOD shirt and the Lappy Face shirt woohoo!
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Well that's (possibly?) good news? Kinda sorta? Maybe?
Good news on #Flyers Briere having shoulder injury instead of another concussion. No word, but i think he’ll miss Saturday’s game
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Better than being re-concussed.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
If it’s not the magical mutating knee virus.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
BTW
The question in the post above might be right up your alley.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I’ve never purchased a shirt from the BSH store, she says sheepishly. I never know how anything is going to fit and I prefer to try it on in a store. I’m also too lazy to ship it back if I don’t like the fit.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Well there goes that...
Via Facebook:
INJURY UPDATE: Flyers GM Paul Holmgren announced that Tom Sestito will have surgery to repair torn groin muscle on Tue., Feb. 21. He will be out for 6-8 weeks.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
SESTITO
Out 6-8 weeks to repair torn groin muscle.
Ouch.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
The knee virus is mestastisizing.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
by Bud in TN on Feb 17, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OT - STATS ARTICLES
OK so I have a 16-hr roadtrip starting sunday and thought I’d use the down time to figure out the “advanced statistics” some of you are fond of. In the last year there have been 2 or 3 articles about that stuff. I have previously avoided them because the charts confuse my eyes and make my head want to explode. But I will have lots of time to read multiple times to try to understand it. I thought there were links somewhere on the home page but can’t find them, and I also tried searching and can’t find them. I think they’re probably all written by Geoff. Can someone tell me where to find these? I am not a stats person but trying to broaden my horizons. Who knows, maybe I’ll learn something! Or give myself a headache.
If you’re a newbie with a lot of time on your hands, I recommend Lighthouse Hockey’s very thorough introduction. Some links:
- What does the field of hockey analytics do?
- Context part 1: the importance of ice time
- Context part 2: who gets the toughest assignments?
- Context part 3: accounting for teammates’ contributions
- Context part 4: replacement-level contributions
- The importance of sample size
- Possession metrics (Corsi/Fenwick)
This last one is probably the most important/unusual/useful part of the non-traditional metrics, so if you get tuckered out, skip ahead to that before you stop. And I’ll give a brief synopsis of it so you know what you’re getting into as you read the earlier parts.
The basic premise of a lot of the non-traditional stats work is that because there are so few goals per game, random fluctuations mean that goal totals (and things derived from goals team wins or individual +/-) don’t give a very accurate reflection of true talent.
And even though goals are obviously the objective (or goal, if you will), counting shots is more useful for projecting future performance, because the much larger number of events means that random fluctuations even out better. So instead of looking at goal differential to decide which teams or players are the best, we look at shot differential.
Then it gets messy because there are a few different flavors of shot differential with names like Corsi and Fenwick that tell you nothing about what they do. But the basic premise is that after 20 games, if you want to look for the teams that will finish the year at the top of the standings, look for the ones that are outshooting their opponents, even if they’re not at the top of the standings right now. And look for players whose teams’ shot differential is better with them on the ice than with them off it.
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Writer at Broad Street Hockey
by Eric T. on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, the LHH series isn’t over yet, so it leaves you with a cliffhanger. I guess from there, take a look at this article on which stats I use to evaluate a forward, and come back from your road trip with questions and we’ll go from there.
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Writer at Broad Street Hockey
He said he had a 16 HOUR roadtrip, Eric. Not days.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I’m curious. What about the name geminiblond made you think “he.”
by geminiblond66 on Feb 17, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Three classes of person on the internet:
Males that are males
Females that are really males
Females that are really spambots
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by Eric T. on Feb 17, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What doesn't
When I see your user name, I picture this:
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
ha ha
You should have found one in drag, could be both at the same time. Although Dee makes a seriously ugly chic.
by geminiblond66 on Feb 17, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
And I started contemplating “blond” vs “blonde”, but am too lazy to look it up, so I still don’t know. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Nothing. Economy of typing says that in doubt eliminate excess letters.
No offense if I was incorrect. But ‘geminiblond’ is gender neutral, you must agree.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
None taken, I was really just curious because I have assumed people at the site were male or female, and then been surprised when I learn otherwise. although just started posting, been reading for a year or so and have noticed lately people seem to throw fits about silly things. Nothing to conceivable take offense over.
And Willy wonka is on and the oompa loompas are singing and its making me think of the comment about the radio broadcast and short people, Amazing how ADD makes the mind wander.
by geminiblond66 on Feb 17, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I was really just curious because I have assumed people at the site were male or female, and then been surprised when I learn otherwise.
It is funny how that works. I know a number of people around here thought I was female for a long time. It’s the anonymous internet, there’s no way to know for sure. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
You and your damn cats and wine … what were we to think??? :)
I doubt that anyone could guess my gender JUST by my screenname. (OK, so it’s a 50/50 proposition, so really HALF of them would guess right – Alright Eric???)
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I still get people’s gender wrong all the time. Chem in particular, for unknown reasons.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 17, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
My pleasure. Stop by with questions, or hit me up on Twitter.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
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and layout the kiddie nap mats
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Hour Of Power with Nurse D, D
as in Diesel, Double D fruit cups
you really hate ayn rand
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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I'm kind of a dick.
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