On booing Ilya Bryzgalov
by Travis Hughes on Feb 22, 2012 1:41 PM EST
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Is it okay to boo Ilya Bryzgalov's poor play? You likely think it's fine. I certainly think it's fine. But not everybody agrees.
There was a pretty interesting Twitter debate on the subject Monday evening between Kyle Scott of Crossing Broad and Randy J. Miller of the Camden County Courier-Post. The whole back-and-forth was pretty interesting, but for our purposes here, we'll focus on the Bryz discussion.
Miller believes that fans should stop booing Ilya Bryzgalov. The goalie is not the kind of person that thrives off of boos and negative feedback, and by booing him we actually might be hurting him. The argument is that, as fans, we should want to do whatever we can to support the guy, and if boos aren't going to help him, we should stop. He's a $51 million investment -- we shouldn't be booing him if it's not beneficial to him.
(Yes, Randy. We can see your Tweets even though you blocked us on Twitter.)
It's a fair argument. Booing him isn't going to do any good, so we shouldn't do it. But anybody who's ever stepped foot in Philadelphia -- or any major sports city in this country, for that matter -- knows that it will never happen. It's an unrealistic proposition. That was the counter-argument.
This gets long, and it devolves into name-calling a bit, but it's an interesting debate. Worth reading all the way through.
We've published a lengthy aside regarding the two participants in this debate and certain media issues, which you can read if interested. We won't clog up this story with that stuff, although it does frame our bias if that concerns you at all. Just read on if you're only interested in the Bryzgalov debate.
The argument there wound up circling around the idea that a) Bryzgalov shouldn't be booed because it won't help him, but that'll never happen in Philadelphia, and b) this wouldn't happen in any other city. He wouldn't be booed in Pittsburgh or DC or NYC or Chicago or Boston or Montreal (haha) or Toronto.
"Not like Philly. Not even close," Randy J. Miller said at one point. Kyle Scott argued that yes, he would be booed in those cities. Miller cited personal experience from traveling around covering games in different cities, Scott cited personal experience attending games as a fan in different cities. They did not come to an agreement.
I figured I'd try to solve the debate. I asked fellow SB Nation writers from around the league this exact question: "If Ilya Bryzgalov played for your team, would your fans boo him?" These people have attended games in their home rinks far more than any writer from Philadelphia ever has. Some of them attend every single game, both in the press box and in the stands. All are familiar with their teams and the fans that follow them.
Here were the responses I received.
From J.P. at Capitals blog Japers' Rink:
Yes, absolutely.
From Ryan Durling at Bruins blog Stanley Cup of Chowder:
Unquestionably, and they'd boo him even harder if the defensive unit that they should be booing was at least equally as much to blame for the team's defensive struggles on the whole.
From Killion at Blackhawks blog Second City Hockey:
Definitely... [Cristobal] Huet got boo'd pretty bad when he was stinking up the joint. This city has a problem with highly paid athletes even remotely under performing. [Brian] Campbell caught a lot of flak too.
From Hooks Orpik at Penguins blog Pensburgh:
Fleury was getting booed last season when he started off slowly. Some of the crowd was turning on him in the arena, lot of angry callers to sports talk radio, angry comments on Pensburgh, etc.
From Joe Fortunato at Rangers blog Blueshirt Banter:
Absolutely. They would especially boo if the team had traded away two fan favorites (say, for instance, Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan) to clear space for his contract. That, and some of his quotes during and after the Winter Classic and HBO 24/7 would earn him some boos. Even Henrik Lundqvist gets a mock cheer every now and again from the fans (albeit very, very rarely). If [Bryzgalov] was in a Rangers uniform the boos would be pretty relentless.
From Dominik at Islanders blog Lighthouse Hockey:
Yes. Even if it's just a segment of Isles fans, the guy would hear boos. [Rick] DiPietro even had some boos during Opening Night pre-game player introductions this season, something even some of his biggest critics thought was poor in a "time and place for everything" kind of way.
Well, I think we've solved that debate once and for all. Every answer, a resounding yes.
Back to J.P., who also made this point:
Worth noting, too, is that when you boo a guy like that, you're not only booing him but tacitly booing the decisionmaker(s) who thought it'd be a good idea to commit to the guy in the way that they did.
That's a whole 'nother layer of this debate that hasn't even been touched. Miller admitted that the boos for Ilya Bryzgalov are fair. He's not saying they aren't, but he is saying that we shouldn't boo him because it's not going to help. I still think that's a fair point, but that it's completely unrealistic for any number of reasons.
Even taking that into consideration, however, here's why I'd still boo Ilya Bryzgalov today: The contract.
The point isn't that we dislike Bryzgalov or anything, or even that all the team's struggles over the last month have been on Bryz. They haven't been. The defense has been bad, the PK has been bad, the team on the whole has been average-at-best, Sergei Bobrovsky has been bad. It's not all on Bryzgalov, but he's a big piece of the puzzle -- and most importantly, the most expensive piece of it.
Of course we want him to play better hockey, but in booing his poor play, it's letting him know that we're unhappy in the only way we know how to let that be known. And it's letting it be known that hey, that contract sucks, Paul and Ed. You shouldn't have signed it.
He was brought in on a huge contract and crowned as the man who would stop all of those Philadelphia goaltender jokes. The expectations were that he would be a top goaltender, and you'd better believe he'll get booed when he misses those expectations this badly, no matter what city he plays in.
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“You aren’t allowed to react negatively to our negative reaction!”
Man-crushin' on Boucher since 1999 and Matt Calvert since May 2010
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 22, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Boo!
"I will not risk answering your question" Why we love Bob
And yes, I am a female redhead.
Yes, by all means, let’s not boo poor play for fear of hurting his delicate sensibilities. By that reasoning, we should stop delivering newspapers to his house and perhaps sensor the threads on BSH for fear that he may get upset by what he reads.
It is fair to debate what we’re really booing about. That he gives up too many soft goals, that we really prefer Bob, or that we’re just sickened to think that we’re forever in cap hell because of the ridiculous contract that he received and would have been a fucking idiot not to sign. But I don’t care. He’s a hockey player. He needs to grow a pair.
....
thought we could use some art.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 1:55 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I know, not exactly, but ...
4 and 20 baked in a pie?
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Bryzgalov’s contract would be:
Sing a Song of Six Billion One Hundred Twenty Million Pence
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
...
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
He will never ever be booed, unless he leaves Philly as a free agent.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 22, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I was playing off the Pence portion of his statement, but I still think the Phils gave up too much for him. C’est la vie.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Lol, I get the joke. And I agree the Phils gave up too much for him. But he’ll still never get booed.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously, mixtery has it nailed. being booed is part of being an athlete….pro or not.
For Bryz and Bob:
I remember seeing a young PSU football player being booed every time he went out on the field to receive a kickoff. It was because he fumbled a lot. But he worked hard and had some success. Oh, and his name was John Cappelletti. Ask the Philly media who he was, they’ll remember.
"I will not risk answering your question" Why we love Bob
And yes, I am a female redhead.
There’s times when Bryz reminds me of McNabb in his press conferences. I really think his post game comments have become catalysts for the current Bryzaster. I would boo Bryzgalov alright but it’s not like I’d enjoy it in the end. Boos serve to express your disappointment but they do tend to create a negative atmosphere and you always want to avoid that. I think Bryz could salvage the situation if he had a better post game conference.
McNabb reference huh? Now we’ve definitely crossed the rubicon.
by Boundforbeach on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Makes me want to kick a dog.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
?
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THat can't be real....
Seriously, that thing is way too cute.
CGI dog
It’s the fur. I mean without the fur he looks the canine version of the Elephant Man.
“I AM NOT……umm. I AM AN ANIMAL!”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not a dog – that’s the number 4 goalie in the Flyers system.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 22, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Snuggle Bear is EVIL! Pure evil, I tell you.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Like that South Park episode
A WoodLand Critter Christmas!!
Hey look, it’s some nice woodland creatures. Ohh, how cute, waitl why are their eyes glowing red? Oh my God! What are they doing?
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 22, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
no this would be bob if bob were a dog
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screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
this is our number 4 goalie
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
oh dear god thank you for the title.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
its malkins dog
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
by reaper1221 on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I always thought he had allergies…
-bob
by Rrainone on Feb 22, 2012 3:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Isn’t that an ewok?
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 22, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I so want an Ewok as a pet. That’d be awesome.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 23, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
I think they may get upset if you refer to them as pets. Well, if you had C3PO to tell them what a pet was, at least.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 25, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
boo
hoo
"Women should have three breasts - two in front and one in the back for dancing." -Al Bundy
It's one thing for him to play poorly.
It’s another for him to allow some of the laughable goals he’s been allowing, all while making $9.1 million. If that’s not a slap in the face of fans who would have liked to see the Flyers go after a power forward or another big name defender with that money, I’m not sure what is.
by OrangeAndBlackk on Feb 22, 2012 2:03 PM EST reply actions
not only has he allowed some laughable goals, but has commented in post game interviews that he’s making stupid mistakes and needs to stop. specifically said it last night. honestly bryz, like the article said you were brought to end the we never have a #1 goalie issue and you aren’t living up to it. we’re going to let you know if you aren’t. if you ever do, you’ll certainly know. but you knew that coming in. if you don’t like it, take you’re ridiculous cap hit somewhere else where you can still feel all warm and comfy when you suck. not to say he hasn’t had good moments but overall, meh
by profoundnotions on Feb 22, 2012 2:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That SH goal he let up this weekend was for sure laughable. I understand a goalie like Bryz is more a of blocking style goalie rather than a mobile/reactionary goalie. But even a blocking goalie like a JS Giguere or Jonas Hiller challenge.
That goal was all about confidence. He stayed practically on the goal line, at least fully in his crease. He gave the shooter a ton of holes and cut off no angle. Again, if you are a reactionary goalie like Lundy, you can stay on your own goal line and make the save. When you are a blocking style goalie like Bryz, you rely on cutting off angles and properly controlling rebounds w/pad control.
But when you have a breakaway, and SH one at that, all goalies, no matter blocking, reactionary or even STAND UP get out and challenge the play. Especially SH. I am not saying race to the puck, but come out, cut off an angle, force a decision from the shooter, and if saved, you will have at least two players coming back to pick up the puck off the rebound. Bryz never even thought about challenging. He waited patiently in his crease, hoping the shooter would throw the puck at him due to little time to adjust and his D would come pick the puck up. That never happened.
It's just my opinion, but...
I REALLY don’t think goaltending was our glaring weakness this off-season.
Then again, I’m a Bobrovsky fanboy.
by OrangeAndBlackk on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM EST reply actions
I really hope we get to amnesty two players and are able to keep bob. if it wasn’t for giroux being orange jesus bob would have been my next jersey
by profoundnotions on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
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Our new favorite charitable organization
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
yeah…no thanks
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so did you not get the joke or choose to ignore it in favor of a political interpretation that was completely unintended?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
little bit of column a, little bit of column b.
what can i say, im a dick
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
I don’t understand what being a Bobrovsky fanboy has to do with it. I didn’t think goaltending was a glaring weakness either. I’d prefer to sign a cheaper goalie and take our chances.
All of that being said, I’m not going to sit on my hands as a bunch of morons watch Bobs and cheer while his play has been as bad as Bryz (who they boo)
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 22, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
If you buy a $1 hotdog at the dive bar, and it tastes like ass, you don’t complain – you knew what you were getting. When you buy the gourmet hot dog at one of Jose Garces restaurants for $15, and it tastes like ass, you complain loudly and frequently.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 22, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s on the idiot customer for falling for the “gourmet hotdog” BS and forking over the $15. Maybe that’s just me.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I’m almost insulted :)
Actually, I went in expecting to be underwhelmed. And I was. But then, I don’t like hot dogs anyway.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Haha this
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 22, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
And it’s also human nature to pretend that something bad is good if you spend more money on it, so as not to feel stupid. It’s a form of cognitive dissonance.
Not that what @pf is saying doesn’t also happen.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Yup, Cristal comes to mind.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Escalade. Lamborghini. Any one-off designer clothes. Etc etc etc.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 22, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Still a good analogy – Ed Snider is the idiot customer, and the concept of “consistently above average goalies” is the “gourmet hotdog.”
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 22, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great read here. It’s funny how the most interesting part of that twitter debate between two gut-reaction-having, pissing-contest-holding turds is Travis’ willingness to verify their claims.
But then again, I guess the point of any argument is tricking your opponent into believing you’re right, even when you are so clearly not.
Since when is crowd reaction pragmatic? Crosby plays his best in Philly and that never changed anything. It’s hard if not impossible to get 20,000 people to look at some sort of flowchart and adjust their behavior accordingly.
Fan flowchart?
Duh. (click to enlarge)
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
I love this so much.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
BECAUSE FUCK YOU
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 22, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
“By suffering, you mean…Buffalo.”
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhh Dude…
…that is so totally, incredibly, stupendously, AWESOME!!!
A Flyers fan for so long I remember when a Flyers Goalie (Bruce Gamble) had a heart attack DURING a game...and continued playing!
"...bouncing puck in the slot...LOOSE IN FRONT...McDuffy...bouncing PUCK...SCOOOOOOOORE!!!!" - Gene Hart
This. It’s in the Philadelphia crowd’s best interest to all wear freaky black contacts, but somehow it hasn’t caught on.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
I don't see a problem with it...
… I mean, we used to boo the goalie last year, even when he was doing well!
/badbooshjoke
Flyers fan since 1983.
"You just got Hextalled!"
51 mil?
for 51 mil let Bryz hire the best sports psychologist just dont let the Doc be from philly cause he prob boos him too
See, when I read the word “Doc,” I automatically think Roy Halladay. Can you imagine Halladay as a sports psychologist? “Well maybe we could take a trip to mamby-pamby land where we could find some self-confidence for you, you jackwagon!”
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 22, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
wheres kreider, and where can i look at his shirts?
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
cause funny thing happened, had all my clothes in a bag at my gfs and her mom was dropping stuff off at good will….yeah she took the wrong bag..i have no shirts ..none,or jeans ,or socks
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Kreider is somewhere off in the Kreider Kave, doing Kreider things. His shirts are right here. But, uh, sounds like you might need some rush delivery. That’s rather unfortunate…
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
do i even wanna know what kreider things are?
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
I wish I had a Kave. Right now my days are spent in my room and I get let out on weekends to go to my girlfriend’s wonderful apartment (technically mine too but I refuse to call it that until I live there more than two days a week.)
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 22, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’m right here. Just been busy at work and blasé about the Flyers lately. Also I’ve been trying to get a new website together. …and find a new job soo yeah…busy.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 22, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
There you have it. Kreider things.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
well once her mom gives me money for my clothes, ill be doing some shopping, you have anything in the works i should wait for?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
C’mon, let her take you shopping in the husky section of Sears.
/70’sD
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf. WOOOO!"
Toughskins, man. You couldn’t kill those with fire.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Ahh, shopping with Mom. Buying horrible pants in weird color plaid patterns. *Goes to corner, shrinks into a ball and shakes.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 22, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Only things in the works at the moment are a Read shirt and something that’s been in the works for awhile now that we have no set release date for.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 22, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
alright..that moves like jagr shirt for sale?
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screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Yeah it is. Travis posted the link in a period thread a couple games ago, it’s just not on this site currently.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 22, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Question
Why does Miller keep pointing out that the Flyers have young guys learning the offensive system? How does that help his argument?
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
because he is an uber douche with a superiority complex?
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
I just fail to see why he thinks that helps his argument? Its not like the Flyers are one of the leading scoring teams in the league.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
it helps his narrative
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
That’s the great thing about narratives, you can work whatever things into it that you like, just use your imagination and you can still spin it into a story. Kind of like paella, ratatouille, or a stew.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
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mmmm i should make some paella, thanks for the idea hintzy!
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
I made some Sunday, its deliciousness is still fresh on my mind. :-)
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
what you put in it, anything out of the ord?
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MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
pretty standard fare: chicken, chorizo, shrimp, red bell pepper, onion, tomato…just stuff I had around.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
wait, im mixing up my food mashups…whats the one with all the seafood like octopus and prawns and crabs and mussels and clams in a red sauce?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
thats it….although the paella sounds friggin delicious right now over some rice with some shredded chedder
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
I think the only requirement for paella is the saffron rice. You could put all that seafood on it. They probably do in regions near the coast.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Saffron is something I could never develop a taste for; it was particularly tough when I was studying in Spain.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I actually skipped it in my paella this weekend because that shit is expensive…
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He’s saying that Bryz is playing in front of a bunch of young forwards in an offensive-minded system and it’s not exactly one that’s easy on the goalies.
Whether you think that’s just an excuse or not is up to you, but Jagr basically said the same thing this past weekend.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
logic and Miller are not friends or even acquaintances. At one point in his Bryz Crusade, he said that if Bryzgalov were playing for the Rangers, his numbers would be much better, but then later said that Bryzgalov’s play has nothing to do with the system deployed by those in front of him.
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Because...
He’s reported from multiple cities on multiple games from multiple arenas multiple times.
Again. He’s reported from multiple cities on multiple games from multiple arenas multiple times.
Third time. He’s reported from multiple cities on multiple games from multiple arenas multiple times.
Wada Wada Wada.
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by Jokes & Burns on Feb 22, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
my answer to that is politicians go to just about every state, doesnt mean they know shit about whats actually goin on in the country.
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Wow, I can’t believe he blocked BSH. Crazy. What happened to do that?
2012 is the year of Philly sports teams.
He’s friends with FLYERROB.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
He didn’t like a story we wrote. He called us “trouble,” then blocked us. It was adorable.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 22, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah what story? my guess is he made something up did some typical shitty journalism and got mad when he was called on it?
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This one:
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2011/10/31/2527148/ilya-bryzgalov-media-philadelphia-flyers
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 22, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
so he’s angry about you giving his quotes some publication, along with others about how they pester the balls off the guy and get upset when they cant speak to him, but writes that our fans shouldnt pester the balls off the guy with the constant booing?….where is this mans credibility? can some1 plz find it. a
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One thing I’ll throw out there, to keep myself from a long-winded rant about all of this: if he’s sucking it up during a game, I don’t have any problem with him getting booed. At all. Now, when I went to a game back in January and there were boos for him when he was introduced with the lineups, before the game even started? That, I have a problem with. Let him earn his cheers or boos.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 2:57 PM EST reply actions
Agreed, hated this with Phillies, too.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Same, although I have attended some games in Pittsburgh and they do the same thing.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
No they don’t! Didn’t you read Randy’s tweets?
by The Gang Wins the Cup on Feb 22, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Few years back, a week after an Eagles road game in which McNabb was horrible, I was there at the game and they announced McNabb’s name in the starting lineups and there were mostly boos. I couldn’t stand it. At least give him a chance.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 22, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
About the aside:
One thing that drove me to look for blogs on my favorite teams back in ’08 was the lack of analysis from beat writers. They tend to just report the story.
Some guy at PSU Hershey Med Center just discovered a virus that eats cancer. Where were the CNN trucks for that? THON will probably break $10 mil this year. Put that on "Outside the Lines".
I’ve been saying “Boo-urns.” Idk about you guys.
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by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 22, 2012 3:19 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I’ve been saying Boosh wishfully. (someone already made this joke higher up)
by hebrew hammer on Feb 22, 2012 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
damn you beat me to it
"Its the letter D"
by Rory B. Bellows on Feb 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
I was saying "boo-urns"
"Its the letter D"
by Rory B. Bellows on Feb 22, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought the part about fluery and Pittsburgh was interesting. Being a Psu student I have a lot of friends who are pens fans and last year when he was struggling almost everyone of them turned on him and wanted him gone. It’s not just Philadelphia. If Bryz can’t get passed the booing then he won’t be successful in a big hockey market.
by FLYERS_ALL_DAY on Feb 22, 2012 3:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
“I know it’s “cool” to boo your own players in Philly when they do poorly, but it should be “cool” to do what’s best to get most out of them"
You know what would probably “cool” and help get the best out of Bryz, to not have 15 beat writers with microphones shoved in his face after every game baiting him for his next silly quote. Wonder what Randy would think of that? Oh wait, he was one of the many that freaked out earlier this year when the Flyers tried to limit his access to reporters.
by PhillyFlyer on Feb 22, 2012 3:26 PM EST reply actions 9 recs
This is the type of thing I’m sad I didn’t think of first.
Good work, here’s a rec.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 22, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Huge rec. The baiting thing is so cheap. Last night’s was “Just like at home?”
And the fact that he’s going to give you the most interesting quotes is no defense. You can ask him an interesting question to get a funny answer, or insightful, or weird. But no, instead “let’s corner him and get him to say the next thing to dig this hole deeper for everyone except us. We love that hole.”
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Don't tell Randy how to do his job, what do you know anyway?!?!??!?!
rec’d
by hebrew hammer on Feb 22, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good to hear that Ilya has such a strong degree of mental toughness, not. Please have amnesty in the CBA so we can rid ourselves of soft goal allowing albatross of a contract.
hahahaha, Not.
Don’t have a cow, man.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 22, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, if I got $5 every time I heard this refrain these days, I could probably buy out the Bryz contract myself! In all seriousness, what happens to all of the totally warranted moaning over Bryz? Does it continue like this for 8 more years?
by adlib19 on Feb 22, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if there is no amnesty in the CBA
by adlib19 on Feb 22, 2012 5:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This deluge of Bryz coverage is like having a best friend who’s going through a bad break-up. You try to hang out with him/her, have a good time, cheer them up, and all they want to do is talk about the crazy ex. A few days go by, and all of a sudden, you feel like you’re the one that broke up with someone… Solution: Flyers fans need to drink more.
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by PyropenguinX on Feb 22, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Solution: Flyers fans need to drink more.
vansteel couldnt have said it better himself
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I for one will continue to Boo as long as he keeps letting in these soft goals while being paid $51 mil. He is being paid top money but under performing immensely. I will boo when he gets lit up and i will boo when the team (any Philly/team i follow) plays half heartedly. When fans like us are so enveloped in the sport, we as a city expect our Athletes to have the same fervor that we do for this team.
That being said. I still dont think we should just give up on the guy. He has earned the right for one shitty season. I for one think that it is a combination of the move across country and finally playing for a team where expectations are high. This year was more of a rebuilding season. People seem to have forgotten that. On the other hand, if these numbers continue next year, can his ass and let Bobs take over.
I’m with the “next year” view. If he turns it around this year or comes up big in the playoffs that’s great gravy.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 22, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
im hoping, nay praying, that he will get his act together and lead us on a run. but im not holding my breath.
He has been significantly better since the ASG, but when he lets in a brutal go-ahead goals in the third period, it’s hard to remember that.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 22, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
i never comment here, but check the site daily. just wanted to say that this blog post was one of the most interesting and entertaining things i’ve read in awhile. nice job.
having said that, as a partial season ticket holder, i feel it’s fine to boo Bryz, which is also a boo for Homer. I pay partial good money on tix/parking/merch and feel that expecting AVERAGE goaltending should not be a bad thing.
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I find no problems with booing Bryzgalov if he plays poorly. I have problems when people take shots on his character and wish for career ending injuries on him. Some fans lately have taken it too far. If he gives up a softie, boo away. When he is announced in the lineups or even after he announced as third star after a loss it is disgusting to boo him.
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Maybe it’s just me but if someone booed me I’d do whatever I could to change that. I’m no professional athlete, but it goes for everything not just sports. Booing is showing disappointment. If you want the boos to stop then change what caused them in the first place. I know Bryz has only played in small fan base cities but let’s me honest here, he knew what he was getting into when he signed. Unless you’re living under a rock you know that Philly fans can be harsh and critical. But that doesn’t excuse some of the things I’ve been reading either. Wishing an injury just so he won’t play is just as pathetic as trash talking him as a person. Boo the behavior, not the person. I hope he can turn it around because we have a lot invested in him, and he seems like a nice person, but he will continue to get booed by me until he can stop letting softies in. Once in a while is ok, every game not ok. For the record though, for as many softies as he’s let it he also has made some spectacular saves so maybe we should cheer those saves louder. It’s like encouraging a child when they do well and voicing disappointment when they do bad.
I applaud you Travis, for checking in with the bloggers from the other cities to get some perspective from the other press boxes.
Personally, I don’t think Randy has a leg to stand on with this claim:
@CrossingBroad When you’ve covered games in damn near every sports city in nation dozens of times, you will get a feel how it is elsewhereIs he really expecting me to believe that having covered Expos games at Olympic Stadium makes him an authority on whether or not a struggling goaltender would be booed at Bell Centre? That’s insulting to me, as the reader, if he expects me to think that baseball fan behavior is directly indicative of how the same city treats struggling members of its hockey team; and I say that as a passionate fan of both sports. Maybe he can make those sort of statements when he’s at least made a full lap around the NHL, but he hasn’t done that yet.
As far as my feelings on actually booing Bryz go, I’m fine with it when he deserves it, but by the same token I also want to see him supported when he earns that. What are we supposed to do when he plays badly, ignore it and not say anything? Just give him the cold shoulder? Giving him the silent treatment doesn’t exactly send a strong message of “Hey, we care about the outcome and we want you to play better”. Boo him when his play earns it, and cheer him when his play earns that.
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I'd boo him.
And if that doesn’t motivate him I’d start writing him very, very supportive emails, letters, and little notes scribbled on paper airplanes that you throw at him when he is in net.
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I reiterate...
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So I have thought about this subject for a while and here is what I have come up with:
If you want to boo Bryz because he has been rather pedestrian this year then be my quest. I wouldn’t boo him but that’s me. Also, make sure if you are going to boo him, you boo Bob as well since he hasn’t been any better.
If you are going to boo Bryz because of how much he get’s paid, don’t. He signed the contract put in front of him. Every single one of us would have done the same thing. If you want to boo someone for that contract, and believe me, I hate it with every ounce of my soul, then boo Ed Snider. Add to the fact that Bryz was never going to play upto what he was getting paid. I’m not sure a goalie in the league could actually earn what he get’s paid, so don’t hold that against him.
Lastly, if you’ve been playing poorly, which Bryz has, you really don’t get the right, (in my opinion) to be sarcastic and troll the fans. It doesn’t take Sheldon Cooper to realize that trolling Flyers fans/Phillies fans/Eagles fans/Sixers fans when you aren’t playing well is only going to make them hate you more.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
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Lastly, if you’ve been playing poorly, which Bryz has, you really don’t get the right, (in my opinion) to be sarcastic and troll the fans.
TT disagrees with you:
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 23, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
What’s with the super-dark beard? Does he think he’s Brian Wilson?
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
In the interest of the team coming first, I think the BSH members who make the most money should identify themselves, so we can disproportionately boo them when they let out soft comments.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 23, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Geoff’s a lawyer. That’s like the real world version of Jody Shelley – everyone else hates you, because you’re just out there to be truculent.
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 23, 2012 2:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
While I’m a lawyer, I’m not working as one.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 23, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
So you really are like Jody Shelley, not doing your job!
/s, as if it needs to be said
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by The Dark on Feb 23, 2012 3:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
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