Tuesday Morning Fly By: Hopefully Today Won't Be As Boring As Yesterday
by Travis Hughes on Feb 28, 2012 6:00 AM EST
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Today's open discussion thread, complete with your daily dose of Philadelphia Flyers news and notes...
- Get the other side of tonight's matchup with the San Jose Sharks from our friends over at Fear The Fin.
- No trades yesterday for the Flyers, but there were 15 others! Details on all of them, plus what didn't go down with Rick Nash. [SBNation.com]
- Not making a trade was the smart decision for Paul Holmgren and the team. [BSH] [SB Nation Philly]
- James van Riemsdyk is happy to still be a Flyer today. [CSN]
- This was written before the deadline, but it's a really great look at the Flyers both heading into the deadline and the remainder of the season. [The 700 Level]
- New episode of BSH Radio going up at some point today. I kid you not.
- Five Questions: Will there be a lockout? [Flyers Faithful]
- Columbus wouldn't let the Rangers be dumb with a Rick Nash trade. [Blueshirt Banter]
- The NHL got 10.75 minutes on SportsCenter last week, with half of that going to the Red Wings. That's less than the NFL or NASCAR got last week: [Deadspin]
- Other dates to look forward to this season: [Down Goes Brown]
- There's no predictive value in empty-net situations. [Arctic Ice Hockey]
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I love how we’ve slipped under the radar in all the post-deadline analyses. We made two moves which were relatively minor, plugged trouble-areas for the team, added a veteran presence for the playoffs and most importantly we didn’t give up any of our young forwards. Look at the recent cup champs; how many of them made a splash for a rental at the deadline that actually worked out? (so Kaberle doesn’t count).
Bravo Homer. Kubina may have been unnecessary, but overall I’m very happy with the way the deadline has played out.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 28, 2012 6:09 AM EST reply actions
Actually a number of reviews, including Yahoo and USA Today’s, have specifically mentioned the Flyers as active or “winners” at the deadline.
I do agree that Kubina was possibiy unnecessary or at least an overpay. But Grossman appears to be a typical, almost Detroit-like, excellent deadline acquisition.
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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
I agree, serious contenders should probably only be making minor adjustments at the deadline, not huge trades. Huge trades are either a desperation move to get into the playoffs, or selling because you know you won’t make it. As you said, we made minor adjustments to fill a known hole, without giving up our young forwards. I’m happy with it. We’ll see how well it works.
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I don’t get the overpayment agrument for Kubina. If Commodore is worth a 7th, John Scott a 5th, and Johnny Oduya a 2nd and 3rd then I tend to think that’s the price for a top 4 defenseman.
I’ve heard the overpayment thing several times now and in my opinion the overpayments are Oduya and Scott much more so than Kubina. Oduya has not improved much at all and was disposable by a team in right in the thick of a playoff run. Scott is quite possibly the worst hockey player ive ever seen in the NHL so I’ll leave that there.
Is it an overpayment because of what you think a defenseman is worth or what the market can realistically get you with so many teams in playoff contention?
by kckrebs on Feb 28, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scott is quite possibly the worst hockey player ive ever seen in the NHL
They’ll love you over at Second City Hockey. They’d been pulling their hair out over Scott for awhile.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
+1 for kckrebs. I don’t get the whole overpayment argument either. Frankly, we needed someone like Kubina and that’s how much Kubina’s cost….This is also a good chance to audition him for next season. If Prongs is gone (and it seems like he may well be) and Kubina performs well, maybe Holmgren will re-up him.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Just curious, why did we need someone like Kubina?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
We needed him because he’s a substantial upgrade on defense to MAB or Gus. It’s a substantial added bonus that he’s a physical, crease clearer who has a right handed shot that will likely help our PP.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
This is going to be very argumentative, but I honestly want to know why people think the acquisition was needed.
What were MAB/Gus/Lilja doing so poorly that the Flyers needed to upgrade on them?
Is the physical crease clearer upgrade worth the downgrade in speed and stick skills when talking about the #6?
How does his being right handed actually help the Flyers? They haven’t had a full-time RH shot on defense since Jason Smith, and they’ve done just fine without one.
Kubina is getting 1:20 PPTOI/G so far this year, which is less than Timonen, Carle, and Meszaros. On a team that utilizes Voracek, Read, and JVR on the points, is he an upgrade on them?
Again, this isn’t meant to attack you, but I genuinely do not understand those who say the Flyers needed to acquire Kubina.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
What I hope was obvious: Anyone else who would like to answer these questions, please do. This isn’t just directed at Alaska.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure it shows up on the stats sheet, but watching grossman push Iginla away from the net last game (due to gamecenter screwing up i saw the same play like 15 times, got to analyze it) was a nice change from that Rangers game with the powerplay goals in close. I’m not sure how you quantify that, which is necessary on this site. Also, if it makes Bryz feel better, and gets him some confidence, it’s worth it.
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I just want to be clear so as to avoid tangents: I’m not asking about Grossman or even the cost to acquire Kubina. I’m strictly trying to get at why some people feel acquiring Kubina was necessary at all.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
‘Necessary’ may be a bit strong, but the opportunity cost was low, so why the heck not?
Leastwise, that’s how I think.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a whole other argument I don’t want to get involved in :)
kckrebs asked Bud about overpayment, I’m asking about the need to acquire at all. Two separate things, and I really don’t want to mix them, since my criticism is with the acquisition at all, regardless of cost.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
the opportunity cost was low, so why the heck not
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a whole other argument I don’t want to get involved in :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
penguinsfan
Geoff Detweiler
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
S’up?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
just had some block quote envy
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
S’Ok.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps we’re forgetting that the Flyers are a business, and the expected return from Kubina might be additional playoff gate receipts, which is more than the expected return of the picks traded, therefore it was not overpayment. Obviously, i don’t know how the Flyers would figure this out (or even if they took it into account) but overpayment is a relative term.
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It’s absolutely relative, but I’m pretty sure their playoff gate receipts didn’t move upon acquiring Kubina.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
you need to subtract the extra food expense though.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
You can critizice Kubina as not being an UPGRADE over MAB and Gus, but then your criticism isn’t with the action of acquiring Kubina, it’s with choosing Kubina as the acquired player. Splitting hairs, but important if you don’t want to address the relative cost paid for a defenseman like Kubina (regardless of his comparative value versus the Phantoms players).
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is a fair point. But you’re leaving out the simple fact that paying any cost for an asset – this being a #6 defenseman – you already posses 3 plus of (Lilja, Bourdon, Gus) is too much.
You don’t need to address the relative cost when your issue is with buying a 4th shitburger.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
penguinsfan,
Shitburger is now in the pre-embryonic stage of being a BSH meme.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I feel vaguely dirty because of that. Not sure why.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
dont’ worry, it has a long way to go. it needs to be used more often and by a lot more people on the site.
and there is usually a rapid acceleration of usage required in order to become a meme, probably because of the so-called viral nature of internet information propagation.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think I am at a disadvantage – even my (to me) wittiest quips don’t achieve perpetuation by others.
Like ‘Floppa’ for Hartnell. I do like that one :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
AH – I see. But Kubina isn’t really playing similar minutes to Gus or MAB is he?
Against Calgary, Kubina got 18:14 of ice, including over 4 minutes of special teams play.
Against Pittsburgh (where penaties were assessed to Cobie, Timonen, and Grossman), Bourdon saw 17:28 of ice, but only under a minute of special teams.
Against Buffalo (a blowout, BTW) Gus got 15:17 of ice, and one minute of special teams.
Not really the same minutes. Kubina is on our ‘third’ pairing which would be a second on most clubs with his inclusion.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been wondering the same, the year of the cup run, the #5/6 D was Krajicek and Parent. Why is Mez playing in the #5 spot this season, consistently, and the #4 spot is going to Bourdon? Is this an effort to limit the D-men’s minutes and can we expect that to change in the playoffs?
by hebrew hammer on Feb 28, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
That was my assumption until the trades were made.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
It seems like now Homer wants to continue that strategy of spreading his top 4 guys over 3 pairings and then bolstering those pairings with “better” partners, which leads us back to your original question.
On a tangent, which strategy seems better? The 09-10 seemed to get burned a lot when the matchups were blown. The strategy this year seems to be spread responsibility throughout the roster, maybe that (and a way younger forward corps) is causing the defensive numbers to slide, team wide.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 28, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Puck moving defenseman are very valuable, and they show up well on the stat sheet, but I feel like sometimes you can have too many because if they don’t keep other forwards out of higher percentage shooting areas their corsi effect is somewhat deceiving. Not sure how you prove that with stats, and I’m not saying Kubina and Grossman are doing that, but watching that Rangers powerplay against us made me pine for a guy who will push people out of the crease.
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Yea, in a way I was thinking the same lines, or at least trying to understand Homer’s thinking. Obviously the team sorely misses Pronger, but since comparable players are way too expensive, he seemed to go after certain aspects of Pronger’s skill set. The two replacement players seem to fit the bill somewhat in that they are touted as big bodies who are good at hitting (clearing the crease). Similarities that MAB and Gus weren’t really showing. I still don’t know if it was a necessary move, but I don’t think I’m ready to answer that.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 28, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think there’s value in diversifying your defense corps. And I think it’s naive to say “get six high Corsi guys” without clarifying to say “get 2 low Corsi against guys, 2 high Corsi for guys, and 2 elite two-way guys.”
You can also specify that your low Corsi against guys be strong with good balance. You can do all of this!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really disagreeing with anything you’re saying, I just felt like our defensive corps sorely lacked an intimidation factor recently.
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The problem is, if MAB or Gus (our replaceable players) were being beaten because of their lack of intimidation skills we should be expecting that to show up in the Corsi numbers or scoring chances. That’s about where I start to get lost though. If I look at Kubina vs Bourdon’s Corsi numbers (which I haven’t), I still feel like its missing something because in both cases there are other players on the ice that affect those numbers. So this is where I have to ask for help.
by hebrew hammer on Feb 28, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
No no!!! WE will tell you what the numbers mean – and invariably, it reinforces our point!! (Odd that, eh?)
/unsubstatiated dig at the ruling class of statheads
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Not trying to start a fight and then walk away but unfortunately, I gotta run. Not being cowardly, but UPS just delivered the replacement smoke detectors I ordered, and it would be nice to get them up before the wife comes home.
I guess in a nutshell, Kubina wasn’t necessary but an upgrade on D was. And I think Kubina filled the bill.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
No worries, I have to leave too. And even if we don’t mean Kubina specifically, I still don’t understand why an upgrade on D was necessary. I wrote a whole story on it. Further, I don’t see what it is that Kubina accomplishes.
If you want fewer goals against, Lilja does that better. If you want more goals for, Gus does that better. There’s nothing Kubina does better than the options in-house.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the team is allowing almost 3 goals a game. Since that CAN’T be the top-flight, $5.67 million-dollar-man backstopping the defense, it must BE the defense. So anything is an improvement.
Right? No???
:)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for giving me a reason to post this:
GA/60 so far this season:
Lilja – 1.80
Bourdon – 2.40
Gus – 2.77
Kubina – 2.97
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Lilja 1.8?
do you know their give away rates?
im just curious because it seems MAB and Lilja sometimes forget which team their on…
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by Jokes & Burns on Feb 28, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t put much faith in giveaway rates at all, not least of which because every arena counts them differently. San Jose has 438 giveaways at home but only 166 on the road. Toronto has 516 giveaways at home but only 219 on the road. LA has 443 giveaways at home but only 174 on the road. With that drastic a difference, what value is there in the numbers?
Secondly, the following players are in the top-20 in giveaways: Carlson, Getzlaf, Thornton, Yandle, Karlsson, Phaneuf, Chara, and Doughty. What are we supposed to believe about giveaways when those guys are the worst at it?
But to answer: Bourdon has 25 in 39 games (0.64/g), Kubina has 21 in 55 games (0.38/g), Lilja has 13 in 33 games (0.39/g), and Gus has 8 in 18 games (0.44/g).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
It would appear that in order to avoid arena bias, you have to use your eyes here Geoff!!!
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At the risk of killing the joke, the problem is that hits, giveaways, and takeaways are pure eye stats. There’s no definition of them, so whatever “looks like” a hit is a hit. They’re completely subjective.
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 29, 2012 9:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not trying to sound snippy at all, but...
Aren’t those numbers just the ‘-’ part of +/-?
(Really just looking for a good way to quantify why Kubina/Grossman aren’t an improvement over MAB/Gus/Lilja)
by hebrew hammer on Feb 28, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sort of, but not quite. That number is purely 5-on-5 play, so it doesn’t factor in short-handed goals and it accounts for ice time, normalizing for the sample sizes across players.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
I really don’t know that your stats are better than my stats:
Bryzgalov – .898 Sv%, 2.82 GAA, 53.7% winning percentage.
$69,146 per roster game.
Bobrovsky – .900 Sv%, 2.99 GAA, 60% winning percentage.
$21,341 per roster game.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know what this has to do with Kubina, but okay.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
In other words, you completely missed the point of my post that spawned your GA/60 post.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, choosing to ignore any and all tangents.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Isn’t comparing GA/60 not fair, since MAB and Gus won’t see nearly the minutes Kubina will? (And heaven forbid Lilja did.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Comparing across teams lacks a sort of fairness, but I’m not sure why normalizing for ice time is unfair. I can see saying competition, teammates, zone starts, or a few others, but how else are we to compare guys who played 911 ES mins, 595, 406, and 272? Counting pure goals isn’t fair to Kubina.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t say I have a better answer for you – merely that (as you note) the other factors all contribute into the GA/60 measurement with no definitive causality. I really don’t know how to compare defensemen adequately, other than simple numbers like ‘blocked shots per minute of ice time’ or ‘hits per minute of ice time’ … maybe rather than normalizing it over a given 60 minutes, it makes more sense (to me) looking at an average sample size and extrapolating over a typical shift for a given player, instead of the opposite.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
There will always be the debate over how to normalize. Some prefer to say “how good is he in his role” and others prefer “how much does he contribute to the team”.
In one, per minute makes sense. In the other, you don’t want to penalize the player who sees more ice time.
But I’d really like it if we can agree to throw out hits and blocked shots and giveaways until the NHL finds 30 people who can come to the definition of what one is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Considering they can’t find 30 who fully agree on the definition of ‘boarding’ I sincerely doubt that’s realistic.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
OH – and doesn’t that GA/60 include Kubby’s time in TAMPA? How’s that possibly compare, considering how bad their goals-against as a team has been? We can only compare Kubby’s small sample in the few games he’s been in Philly – and even those are relative, because he’s still learning the system.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
Of course it includes his time in Tampa. But his GA/60 is still 5th on TB and his on-ice sv% is 0.901, right in line with the rest of the Lightning.
It’s not a straight comparison, but he wasn’t helping Tampa keep pucks out of their own net, which is the point.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 29, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
They haven’t had a full-time RH shot on defense since Jason Smith, and they’ve done just fine without one.
Zero cups.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
This argument works for everything and thus, nothing.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 29, 2012 8:17 AM EST up reply actions
“Spending to the cap and having a lot of really good players hasn’t worked, so maybe it’s time we try something different!”
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You may have something there ….
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 29, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Is anyone else curious as to why the never ending idiocy that is Scott Howson decided to tell the world that Nash requested a trade?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
To be fair, Nash has a no movement clause, so the suspicion would have always been there and Howson would have always lost leverage on the basis of the restrictions that no movement clause places on him.
To be less fair, Howson’s probably the stupidest GM in the league. He goes and makes Nash the villain for two weeks before not trading him and keeping him as captain of the team. Way to make your team even more dysfuntional. And that’s just the beginning of his problems.
Simon Gagne AND Mike Richards may move between towns, wear new jerseys and call different arenas home but, at the end of the day, they will both always be Philadelphia Flyers.
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by PursuitOfLappyness on Feb 28, 2012 7:08 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with your first point but from my understanding, and I could be wrong, Howson didn’t say that Nash asked to be traded until after the deadline passed and he wasn’t moved. To me, that’s deflection at it’s best.
To be less fair, Howson’s probably the stupidest GM in the league. He goes and makes Nash the villain for two weeks before not trading him and keeping him as captain of the team. Way to make your team even more dysfuntional. And that’s just the beginning of his problems.
Pretty sure these are indisputable facts.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I think you’re right. Desperate act of a desperate man.
But who’s more the fool? The fool that throws his captain under the bus, or the fool that pays him to do it?
That is to say, Jackets ownership have to take a lot of responsiblity for the clusterf…I don’t think I should finish that word at this time of day, but you know what I mean…Howson is clearly clueless and should have been removed from his position a good while ago. Blood on their hands, so to speak.
Posting all the way from sunny Manchester, England.
At this point though, you’d have to imagine that even Howson knows how dumb he’s been in making these deals. Good lord, they’re the worst team in the league, and he’s actually made moves that make the team even worse.
This is a rare instance that I feel bad for another team’s fans. It just keeps going from bad to worse, but hey, they have an All-Star game next year, so the League can see the rich hockey tradition(?) in….Columbus, Ohio………………………………………
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Agreed. The Jackets ownership seems pretty clueless. Maybe they are just going to let Howson finish out this lost season and then make a move. For their sake, they better. I wouldn’t trust that asshat to try and rebuild that team. Nor would I leave a potentially franchise crippling move like trading Nash in his hands.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I wrote in the other thread that based on the press conferences and interviews Howson appears to be a standup guy, and seemingly would be somebody non-fans in ownership would respect. He appears totally ignorant about hockey talent, however, which one would think would be an important job skill for GMs!!
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In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
At this rate, would you begin to call it “tanking for draft picks”?
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My phone is incapable of posting under the right comment.
Howson/ Columbus that is.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Feb 28, 2012 8:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
But it’s not like they draft well anyway.
-bob
by Rrainone on Feb 28, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What I don’t get is that Columbus traded away their youth to us, for Carter, knowing full well they were going to suck this year too. and then they go ahead n trade Carter for an average D-man. seriously he can’t be all there.
unrelated sidenote question Do the links in the flyby all open in a new tab? my right button on my mousepad is dying, easier to just left click.
The Jackets thought they were going to compete for a playoff spot this year. And it wasn’t just them, most people thought they did well to acquire Carter, Prospal, and Wisniewski.
The links should open in a new tab, if Travis did it right.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions
You can also hold ctrl + left click to open in a new tab or shift + left click for a new window.
by MrDioji on Feb 28, 2012 8:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Depending upon your browser,
I know that in Chrome and Safari middle click opens links up in a new tab.
If you muck around in your preferences, I’m sure you can find a setting for remapping that function.
Columbus really didn’t have a choice. They’ve been inconsequential for the majority of their existence. They needed to make a splash, so they traded their youth. If they continued with their youth movement, it was likely they were going to be moved.
Now it’s more likely they will be relocated
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:22 AM EST reply actions
Not for some time though, I imagine. I think they’ll be relocating too, but Bettman will fight tooth and nail to make sure it doesn’t happen. Kinda like in Phoenix…I watched the city council meeting they had last year to determine whether or not to fork over the $25mil to keep the team and listening to the people talk, I’m damn near certain they were paid off by the NHL to vote to keep the team there.
The thing is with Columbus, since they get the All-Star game next year, the team will generate enough money to keep it in place for quite a couple more years, no matter how bad they are.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
2012 Columbus Blue Jackets:
Winter Is Coming
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Somebody’s got GOT on the brain…
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
surprisingly i think this reference is apropos:
The Jackets are in for a very long winter over many years
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Wildlings on the Ice and a GM about as effective Cersei Lannister
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
hey hey, shush
Just read the exchange between Cersei and Ned in the godswood
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
My bad… I’m about 3 books ahead then.
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
all good not too much ruined. Rule of thumb: if it happened on the show (or corresponding book), it’s fair game to discuss
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
sigh fine..
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
this is the most enthralled in a book I’ve been since the Tom Clancy (Jack Ryan universe)
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
did you get to the part with the meanbearpig and the handjob?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Nope
but I did get to the part where South Park has sucked for the past 3 years
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
idk i have better things to do than watch that show
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
this was my reaction, too
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I thought maybe you’d toy with him a bit, but yeah.
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
you can only war with someone for so long until you simply become not interested
that’s where I’m at
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
oh come on now you act like im being serious
its all just fun and games, im not attacking you or making fun of you
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Also, based on your consistent posting here, I would posit that in fact you do not have anything better to do..
by mattsotheran on Feb 28, 2012 1:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
lol i do post during class stat and english on my phone, but yes your right tis a sad lonely life
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Favorite episode is still the Walmart one
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
2012 Columbus Blue Jackets: It’s Something to Do!
2012 Columbus Blue Jackets: Rated 130% more fun than anything else in Ohio!
2012 Columbus Blue Jackets: Open Try-Outs Every Saturday!
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
2012 Columbus Blue Jackets: Tickets are cheaper than hookers and blow!
2012 Columbus Blue Jackets: At least it’s not the Black Eyed Peas!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Cheaper than hookers and blow!? Hahaha what kind of hookers and blow are you used to seeing? I would hope jackets tickets are cheaper!
by kckrebs on Feb 28, 2012 2:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
. I think they’ll be relocating too,
Uh, NO. A few months ago Nationwide Insurance, the city and other parties ponied up a couple of hundred million I believe to keep them in Columbus for awhile. I’m too busy to look up the link, but even at the time, I expressed extreme skepticism.
GMAT verbal section question, Philadelphia sports version.
In 2015, which one of the following will prove to be a better investment?
(a) Ilya Bryzgalov's contract (b) Ryan Howard's extension (c) Mike Vick's extension (d) Greek bonds from 2009 (e) Papelbon's bloat deal
Wisniewski getting suspended for the first 8 games and Carter not being able to stay healthy, really hamstrung them. Momentum means a lot and maybe I’m dead wrong, but without the suspension, I don’t see them getting off to the horrible start that they did. Voracek and a 1st for a 26 yr old 35 plus goal scorer is not a bad trade. Things could have been a lot better for them.
by shawman35 on Feb 28, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
It’s not a bad trade, but it was a lot to give up. They gave up a young, cost-controlled second line winger and a young player who might be able to play this year (Couturier was but one option, Dougie Hamilton another), as well as a third for a first line center.
From a strictly asset-level, I like what the Flyers got out of that. But Columbus was surely thinking beyond “Voracek and the 8th overall can help us more in the future”, so it’s tough to criticize too harshly.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Well looking at the Carter situation, Columbus got F’ed in the A. They basically traded Voracek, a 1st and 3rd rounder, and a lost 2012 season for Jack Johnson and a 1st. Suffice it to say that whoever Columbus uses it’s first rounder on, it’s not going to be a prospect as good a Scooter.
Carter is a great example of the problem in Columbus: No one wants to be anywhere near that team. The atmosphere never developed and the team has had 1 winning season. The saddest part is, you could argue that the most infamous moment in the franchise’s history is that they’re the reason we have safety netting.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
IMHO, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
“No one wants to be anywhere near that team.”
That’s the long and short of it. The GM revealing that the Captain wants out isn’t the problem. Oh that’s A problem…but not THE problem. Bottom line is that the franchise needs to move (don’t know where) and start over.
Until then, by all means Homer, keep on pillaging them!
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Until then, by all means Homer, keep on pillaging them!
Definitely.
BTW, they should hire me as GM, I’m great in NHL12. Plus I can do it from my couch instead of moving to Columbus.
by mattsotheran on Feb 28, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Somehow I ended up trading Briere and Hartnell for Nash in my first season as GM. Worked out well for me.
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Mrs Jody Shelley lives in Columbus, so it does have at least one redeeming quality.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL got 10.75 minutes on SportsCenter last week, with half of that going to the Red Wings. That’s less than the NFL or NASCAR got last week:
When they were doing the week’s top plays they showed a goalie making a save(I think it was Pavelec against us) & Steve Levy goes “And they say we don’t show hockey highlights on here”
Ignoring the fact that NASCAR has a deal with ESPN I don’t see how you can give it more air time then the NHL it’s the most boring “sport” out there
The Legend
Nascar?
really depends on the viewer. some of the stuff is very fascinating
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Shit blowing up is definitely fascinating.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
well it’s the other things. my dad’s a car nut so he would talk to me about what the terminology meant.
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
its also crazy to think about driving 200 mph and then having some other car come up on your bumper and just start pushing you…
Wada Wada Wada.
I'm on twitter, fool: @pbless29
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 28, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
for people like me that would be one hell of a rush...
the feeling of going 100+ and taking a turn while useing the throttle to steer the car is just unbelievable
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Not to mention the concentration it requires to drive between 150 and 190 for four hours with other cars right next you, right behind you, and where the slightest mistake in steering (missing your line) can mean the difference between life and death. Potentially for several other people at the same time.
“Driving in circles” is way boring; but knowing what’s really going on during any big-time race, NASCAR, Formula 1, or whatever — is kind of thrilling. But not for everyone. Myself, I can’t imagine why some folks don’t like hockey. But diff’rent strokes, eh?
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 28, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, you can be 2nd, 3rd, 4th or even 5th…..
I'm kind of a dick.
by Vansteel on Feb 28, 2012 2:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
like when this happened?
Wada Wada Wada.
I'm on twitter, fool: @pbless29
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 28, 2012 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Your right but I think some people watch it for the wrong reasons. I like watching shit blow up too but I know people that watch it for that reason only & people can die from the car blowing up
The Legend
F-Zero for me….
I'm kind of a dick.
by Vansteel on Feb 28, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Should we call you Falcon?
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
YES!
I have Mute City’s music as a ringtone option on my phone.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly can’t stand ESPN’s (lack of) hockey coverage. It’s a joke, and I really think Barry Melrose is there for his hair more than he is for hockey.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
I haven’t seen Barry on there in a while but I’ve also avoided it a little bit because it has become LinCenter & that annoys the hell out of me when they devote over half the show to a marginal player. Doesn’t Barry also work for the NHL Network now?
The Legend
I think ESPN in general, over the past couple years, has gravitated towards sensationalistic reporting, purely for ratings. The “headline” stuff they start SportsCenter with turns into >50% of the show and real reporting is almost an afterthought, unless you want to watch Bob Ley on the weekends…Outside the Lines is quite good, if you’re into that sort of thing.
Jagr shoots, Jagr scores!!!!!!
it was also the week leading up to the Daytona 500
Easily the most anticipated race of the season. And Danica Patrick’s debut.
but, regardless, ESPN does hate hockey.
Wada Wada Wada.
I'm on twitter, fool: @pbless29
by Jokes & Burns on Feb 28, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Danica Patrick’s BUTT!
by mattsotheran on Feb 28, 2012 1:37 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN refuses to promote any sport where they do not have a revenue generating interest. They’re not a journalism entity anymore, they’re a marketing firm. The NHL has no such marketing deal with them. They have to give hockey just enough press to keep saying they’re about sports, and to have NHL fans watch. Now that NBCSports is a competitor they’ll likely have to give hockey some more air to keep fans of hockey from leaving them entirely.
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
to keep fans of hockey from leaving them entirely.
That particular ship has sailed for me.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think this is a pretty good summary. I would add that if traditional journalism is not in conflict with their marketing objectives they will pursue it. They have the resources, they would like to maintain some credibility and have an interest in “beating” their competition using traditional means.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
They’re an egregious journalism entity. Remember when they went 2 years without having an ombudsman, and the first one left because they wouldn’t listen to his criticism?
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
yeah, any real journalism is a front. I stopped watching them a long time ago and then when I read about the James – Miami thing I decided to stop using them for anything – getting scores, highlights online, whatever. There’s only so much one boycotter can do. I have a friend in the newsroom there and we get into fights all the time. We talk about politics and religion to be safe.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha. Yea, but i mean, as news organizations go they’re horrific. I understand most people who want to be in journalism have their “I want to tell other people what do,what is right, what is wrong” views, and I know some are better than others, but ESPN no longer has anything to do with sports. Do you think Tebow would have been a big deal if they hadn’t invested so much in him while he was in the SEC, who have a TV deal with ESPN? Would Jeremy Lin be as much of a story if he were in Charlotte NC? ESPN wouldn’t even know he exists.
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
I would happily join your crusade, but I’d need an alternative to ESPN Scorecenter app on my phone.
Anybody have an app with multiple push notifications they recommend?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
The NHL Game Center app…even if you don’t sign up, it pushes everything to you
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
Yeah, I have that. I’m talking about one for multiple sports notifications.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
CBS Sports’ app isn’t horrible.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf. WOOOO!"
Ringing endorsement :)
I’m trying out The Score right now, we’ll see.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Well, its not as good as Scorecenter.
Personally I don’t mind having multiple apps for the sports I most interested since their apps (MLB and NHL) are better than Scorecenter.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf. WOOOO!"
I’m on board with boycotting ESPN though. Probably because I don’t consume any ESPN outside of Scorecenter, it’s easy for me. So why not go all the way?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
So why not go all the way?
TWSS? No, probably TWHS.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Stop right there.
I gotta know right now, before we go any further….
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Chicken wings.
Not that kind of app?
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
If you have an Android phone I recommend ScoreMobile. It’s free and has push notifications. I don’t really use that feature much myself so I can’t swear it’ll do everything ScoreCenter does, but for checking box scores (of pretty much everything but the AHL) it does the trick for me.
Sportacular
Sportacular is great – I think it’s Yahoo! Sportacular now
by MrDioji on Feb 28, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ESPN is owned by The Walt Disney Company. Doesn’t that one piece of information make it a slam dunk (no pun intended) case? They are an entertainment company that covers sports. ESPN is most definitely not journalism.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well, that really doesn’t mean anything. Disney also owns ABC News, which is surely a news and not entertainment entity. ESPN Star Sports is owned 50% by Newscorp, 50% Disney
Broad Street Hockey's Reigning Trivia Champion
Well, that really doesn’t mean anything. Disney also owns ABC News, which is surely a news and not entertainment entity
Have you seen Good Morning America lately?
Actually all the morning “news” shows are like that but I couldn’t resist. My wife watches that crap every morning.
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 28, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
So it’s half Mouse House and half Faux Noise. That explains a lot.
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 28, 2012 4:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Glad this trade didn't happen that Craig Custance suggested
3. Flyers forward James van Riemsdyk to the Stars for Steve Ott and a first-round pick — Ott is the kind of player who is made to play in Philadelphia and would instantly win over Flyers fans, plus the first-round pick would give GM Paul Holmgren some ammunition for a summer deal to add a defenseman to replace Chris Pronger. The Stars would be getting a big winger who would help fill the hole created by James Neal’s departure. Jamie Benn and van Riemsdyk would be a dynamic combo in Dallas.
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I’d be tempted to make this deal
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
I’d hate that trade.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
fine then. you can’t borrow my Saved By the Bell VHS tapes
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Noooooo! How am I going to get my Lisa Turtle fix now??
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
The College Years
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The flyers would have to trade lavvy as well to avoid a fist fight in the locker room.
by TommykUD on Feb 28, 2012 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Peter Laviolette >>>> Steve Ott
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ott and a first for JVR? I wouldn’t hate it. Wouldn’t be a huge fan, but wouldn’t hate it. Peter Laviolette, on the other hand…
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 28, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t sound bad to me at all, Ott is a douchebag but he’s the kind of douchebag that you’d love to have on your team. Great on faceoffs, very physical, contributes offensively, veteran guy, and the first round pick isn’t bad either. JVR has a lot of potential but if he doesn’t end up being at least a 30 goal scorer eventually I think we might look back on this deadline and wonder why we didn’t trade him.
That being said, I really do believe that next season when JVR is healthy (hopefully his apparent hip problem will be fixed and he won’t get a bad concussion), he’ll score 30-35 goals, so I’m pretty happy we didn’t make the trade.
Seems like every year people say next season will be the year JVR finally turns into the guy people think he is capable of being.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
this
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
1. He’s a baby. He’s a 22-year-old power forward.
2. It’s his third year. There can only have been at most two such years, and I don’t remember anyone saying after his rookie season that 2010-2011 would be the year he “finally turns into” that guy.
I’m not arguing whether or not he’s going to live up to #2 pick expectations or even be a top 6 player. I think he’s victim more than anyone else on this roster of the NOW NOW NOW expectations of the Flyers fanbase. It’s still early.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure if that’s been said, but last year’s playoffs gave us a glimmer, and if he hadn’t been hurt I think it would have happened this season. I would say give it one more year, see what you have.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 28, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Planning to, but don’t have a ticket yet. What happened to the one you had before you upgraded to the suite? :)
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Well I still have those just gotta hope I can scalp them
by The Fish on Feb 28, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you want to sell a single ticket to an esteemed member of the BSH community, let me know where the seat is and what you want for it. (Email is at the bottom of the page.)
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I was wondering why he didn’t put that together. Maybe he needs it in pie graph form.
Have fun, the Tank is great place to see a game.
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf. WOOOO!"
Yeah, I’ve been to a bunch of games there. But mostly against the Wild or the Oilers or the Coyotes — just random chances to take the kidster to a hockey game on a Saturday night. This will be different.
@BSH_EricT
Writer at Broad Street Hockey
Is it too obvious to say..
That specialty teams are probably going to determine the outcome of the game tonight? Sharks 4th ranked PP against the Flyers 22nd ranked PK vs the Flyer 6th ranked PP against the Sharks 28th ranked PK (yes, even worse than us). It would seem our PK has to right the ship sooner or later and tonight would be a good time.
Today is definitely not as boring as yesterday...
But a whole lot more frustrating.
Went to go put my coffee down in the dining hall and it spilled all over my jacket.
At least there’s hockey tonight.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
At 10:30. I’m trying to think if I am either going to bed early and seeing highlights tomorrow, or making a late gym trip to watch it there.
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 28, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Luckily I don’t have anything tomorrow until 1 PM, so I can sleep in.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Feb 28, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
The servers here at work crashed this morning. Ennui abounded.
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 28, 2012 11:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ennui abounded.
Very poetic, sir. I approve.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Breaking news from Rotowire yesterday...
van Riemsdyk will require offseason hip surgery, according to the Newark Star-Ledger.
Spin: van Riemsdyk has missed time with a concussion this season, though the hip injury appears to be new news. Whatever the ailment, it’s not keeping van Riemsdyk off the ice.
Emphasis mine. I’m constantly amused that I know things about our players WELL before it shows up in ESPN/Rotowire’s news feed, thanks to you guys. :-p
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I don’t feel like doing shit today. Seriously like anything. I have 4 things I want to do and none of them can be done at work (video games, creating art, watching the west wing and trying to get into Alcatraz). I’m just horribly horribly unmotivated to do anything today.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions
I’m just horribly horribly unmotivated to do anything this entire semester, so I know how you feel.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
by Chemistry66 on Feb 28, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
I’ve enjoyed Alcatraz but it’s been slow to develop. Which is typical of an Abrams show.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’ve been toying more and more with the idea of rewatching all of LOST again.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
FTFM
I’ve been toying more and more with the idea of watching Lost.
Ecstatic to be joing the Florida Panthers Organization!! Awesome day... Truly a dream come true.
- @ScottieUpshall (July 1, 2011 2:15pm EST)
Same here. I want to play video games or work on getting my blog going again. I can easily do either of those at my desk, and probably nobody would notice, but I still feel slightly guilty for it. The work I have to do is all held up waiting for other people who are busy on other projects.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Howson's asking price...just....wow
"Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?"
by PraiseMartyMoose on Feb 28, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions
Holy shit! Oh, how I wish Sather had done it.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I wish they would have just so the only guy with my last name isn’t a fuggin’ Ranger.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Sweet Mother of God! I don’t blame Howson for asking for everything under the Sun. He had nothing to lose but damn. I think the reality is, and obviously I have the benefit of the deadline having passed but I really don’t think Nash was ever going to get moved because Howson had to ask for a Kings ransom and apparently he was asking for too much. Enough that it was prohibitive to most of the teams in the NHL. At least once the season ends there will be a lot more teams able and maybe willing to try and trade for Nash. A lot more time to work the roster so you can fit him both strategically and monetarily.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
So the headline would have read: “Rangers trade Brandon Dubinsky, Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan, Chris Krieder and a first-round pick for Rick Nash.” Wow.
I’m not sure I can put into words how happy this would’ve made me.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 28, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
By the way
If you haven’t read the DGB article yet, do. Even the caption made me laugh.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
Explanation of why the Caps didn’t do anything yesterday
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
by hintzy64 on Feb 28, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I want a goalie that doesn’t allow ANY goals.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 28, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of the Caps, anybody going to the Flyers/Caps game in DC on Sunday? I just bought my tickets yesterday. The box office prices apparently go down when the game gets really close, I got seats for ~$65 each yesterday (including fees) that would have been over $100 a couple weeks ago.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
game is gonna be an epic turnover per second game
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
I’ll be in Baltimore Thursday to Saturday, but that’s the closest I’m getting to a Caps game.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
I’m going to the Wings game this Saturday. Anyone else?
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions
Yes and yes. They’re retiring Dallas Eliuk’s number that night, which I didn’t know but am excited for.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
Broad Street Hockey: 582 comments on the waiving of Andreas Nodl. We aren't for the faint of heart.
by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The Wings are a good time. Used to go to a fair number of games years ago when my company had a suite. No one ever wanted to go to the Wings games, so tix were always available, and the games are a lot of fun.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Never been. And I have never really been a fan of lacrosse. I don’t hate it, just have no feelings towards it. That said, I remember seeing commercials for them back in a day but haven’t in a while so I just figured they weren’t around any longer. Good for them though.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Professional lacrosse is a tad different. Fights, loud music, constant action. Good times.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I went once and the final was 22-11 and there were about 5 fights. That’s a pretty good way to get me hooked. This’ll be my third.
Flyers Fans: We've survived Lock-outs, Lindros and Cooperalls. If you want to get rid of us, you'll have to split an atom or two.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
They used to have a crazy rivalry with Buffalo. I hvaen’t been to see the Wings in years but it was always a good time.
Thanks a lot Select-A-Seat! Now I'm in 122!
"Some might give head coach Dave Tippett and general manager Don Maloney plenty of credit for guiding the Coyotes to two straight playoff berths amid franchise foibles – and they deserve much of it – but Bryzgalov was far and away the team’s most valuable player." - NBC Sports
by Flyers_Section_121 on Feb 28, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Some interesting nuggets in Friedman’s 30 thoughts this week.
13. Toronto and Philadelphia sniffed around Wild goaltender Josh Harding. Don’t think either team got overly serious and one GM thought Harding was a poor match for the run-and-gun Maple Leafs. “He needs structure to be successful,” the GM said.
Not overly surprising to hear what we all thought might’ve been true. Interesting to hear the thought that “he needs structure” and wouldn’t work in a run-n-gun system. Certainly no one’s said that about any Flyers goalie this year…
18. A lot of this surrounds the Kings captaincy, which appears headed for Mike Richards. This is a difficult play to make. Removing the “C” is a tricky, tricky proposition (see Trevor Linden, Mike Modano). One place where it’s worked? San Jose with Patrick Marleau. The Sharks did everything possible to make it as easy as possible on him. Sharks GM Doug Wilson and head coach Todd McLellan had a long-time relationships with Marleau, too. In the short term, Brown wasn’t happy no one told him what was going on.
Didn’t they learn that Ri_hards couldn’t handle the captaincy?!?!?!?!?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 28, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions
Wow, I’m slow. I’ve seen people write Ri_hards before, but never got the joke until now. Had to see it in the context of discussing captaincy for it to get through my thick skull.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Don’t worry, I just had the exact same revelation.
This is troublesome.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
There’s probably a socially awkward penguin that covers this.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
yeah im not getting it
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
have something to do with “hards”?
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
Hint? The missing letter.
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
M Ri_hards?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
aaaahhhhhhhhhh
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
Political Correctness - the belief that one can pick up a turd by the clean end.
screw the subjective notion of 'fair'
Embrace true equality in treatment in all aspects, not just ones that benefit you or your cause
.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
And just to finish it off for reaper...
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
You called?
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHAHAHA, well played, sir
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
I admit – I still don’t get the whole ‘meme’ thing … but this was too easy to pass on.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I’m amused by some of them, but don’t get most of the rest.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Still don’t get it.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/socially-awkward-penguin
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Before the internet it meant something that spreads through a culture, usually by imitation. But nobody but academics used the term. People would use “trend” or “—-mania” or something like that. Fashion items are good examples of pre-internet memes.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
So … social ‘in-crowd’ tidbits?
No wonder I don’t care (or get them).
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
It’s not necessarily hipster-only. Often it starts with an insider crowd but not always.
Some from the 70s and early 80s.
“Dyn-O-Mite” in Good Times was a meme.
“AAAAYYYY” by the Fonz was a meme.
Farah Fawcett hair.
“Are you talkin’ to me?”
How many things have been shared, imitated and re-shaped from the Godfather films.
Or all those skits from Saturday Night Live that made their way into the language of the country.
Sometimes memes become larger representative symbols, rather than just items of shared social currency. Whatever that means.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
May the Force Be With You
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Also, I’m dying to use #angelinajoliesleg as a retort for something.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
That just wasn’t attractive at all. I still don’t understand everyone’s seeming obsession with her.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not obsessed with her at all; I just thought it was hilarious that it was an attempt at looking sexy that failed spectucularly. I liked her better when she was a punk who carried 20 or so extra pounds.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I daresay you’re in the minority – everyone else seems to be drooling about ‘THE LEG!!!!’ like they’d never seen one before. As I mentioned elsewhere today, I’d much rather see Christina Hendricks bare her legs (as she did at some awards show in recent memory).
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Everyone I see on the internet is making fun of her. The guys on the Oscars were making fun of her onstage while they accepted their award.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Yeah that was terrible and completely unsexy. It seemed forced. The best part about it was Jim Rash taking her down a peg with his mockery.
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by KreiderDesigns on Feb 28, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I must use a different internet.
:)
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
The kind you have to use a hand-crank (TWSS) for?
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
and without the memes.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I have mimes operate the hand-crank. Only good use for the bastards.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I never said ‘dyn-o-mite’ or ‘Aaaaye’. I can sympathize with the Godfather references, but I don’t often see their applicability when used. I don’t watch SNL now, nor have I ever.
I guess the ‘shared currency’ doesn’t quite reach the anti-pop-culture crowd. (True Bohemians don’t care what anyone else is doing – they do what they do because it is ‘right’ to them.)
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Translation: I’m an engineer. I watch PBS primarily (or the new cable channels like it since I got cable last year). I wear flannel, and have done so for the past 40 years straight, give or take. I don’t even own a ‘smart’ phone, because I don’t see the need.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Daddy-o, why you gotta be such a square?
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
I wers bern that ways, Marybelle.
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
Good for the Kings if they make that move. I liked Richie as a Captain, even if his dealings with the media frustrated the ever living hell out of me. I honestly think this team may regret trading Richie before it’s all said and done.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I watched the NHL 36 thing with him and he seemed pretty decent at dealing the people at the radio station etc. What was his deal in Philly? (I’m out of market so I get nothing)
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
To me he comes off as somewhat socially awkward and someone who doesn’t love camera’s up in his face. I think there were some writers who didn’t like the way Richie spoke to them, and while he was short and dismissive in his tone I don’t think he meant anything by it, I just think it’s how he dealt with it. Those writers then took that tone and decided to have an agenda against the guy. Some of which went so far as to call for his Captaincy.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
yeah seems like a quiet and earnest guy, in background by nature but pushed to the spotlight because of the way he plays and leads on the ice.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
I also think some people mistook him being a socialite for someone who is comfortable in front of the media and made the incorrect assumption that if he is comfortable going out and getting blasted with his friends at the bars and clubs then there is no reason he can’t be social with the media. Personally, I could give a flip what he does off the ice so long as it doesn’t effect what he does on the ice. And I would think most fans are in the same thought process there.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Mike Richards and socially awkward? I respectfully disagree. I’ve seen far too many pictures of him involving drink and girls that indicate otherwise.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
You can be socially awkward and still hit on females while severely intoxicated.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Personal Experience?
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know whatever you could possibly mean.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 28, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
Gonna disagree with you on this team regretting Richie when all is said and done
Simmonds is already blossoming. Schenn is using his body to make checks. They have no reason to regret trading Richie, whether he wins a Cup in LA or not
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Easy to say today, I am talking long term, and until that really plays out we have no way of knowing. Schenn may turn into a bust and Simmonds may be gone after next year.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
and Richie may not ever do anything with the Kings
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
mexican standoff
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 28, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Is that like an Alabama three-way?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Cousins with Benefits?
"Call me dumb, call me stupid, whatever. I block shots."
"Suck it, Phaneuf. WOOOO!"
“Why go down the street when you can across the hall?”
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
by PyropenguinX on Feb 28, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
santorum-comes-from-behind-in-alabama-three-way
That, my friend, is comedy gold.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
And doesn’t Santorum have it’s own sexual definition now?
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
Yes and it’s the first hit on a Google search of his last name.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
I love it.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
yes and in the interest of political neutrality let me say I would think it’s hilarious no matter which politician was being SEO’d in such a manner.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 28, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
It’s like he’s a good leader or something.
A tie may be like kissing your sister, but it's better than getting screwed by a skills competition.
by doubleh on Feb 28, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Philadelphia sniffed around Wild goaltender Josh Harding.
I don’t understand why Minnesota would spend $5.67m a year on a backup though … they already have a REAL #1 goalie in Backstrom.
:)
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 28, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently the Sharks plane got grounded somewhere (last comment on FTF)
OMB!
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It broke in Minnesota, I believe. They didn’t leave as scheduled after the game, instead retiring to the hotel for another night. So supposedly they will be “tired” for tonights game.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 28, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Tomorrow is:
Simon Gagne’s 8th birthday.
Cam Ward’s 7th birthday.
Bobby Sanguinetti’s (Yeah, he-who-was-almost-picked-instead-of-Claude-Giroux) 6th birthday.
Madly in love with Jaromir Jagr's brilliant smile and epic goal salute.
Sean Couturier and Matt Read for joint Calder Trophy winners!
Ian Laperriere (EE-an luh-PAIR-ee-YAIR), proper noun. Definition: Bad-assery on skates
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/Carles-deadline-impact.html
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