James van Riemsdyk trade rumors: Leafs reportedly lose interest
by Travis Hughes on Feb 7, 2012 9:01 AM EST
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It's not a secret that the Toronto Maple Leafs are in love with James van Riemsdyk. Brian Burke loves his big bodied American-born players, and JvR has a ton of potential that the Leafs general manager would just love to add to his squad. But when a potential trade piece has a concussion that's keeping him out of action just 20 days before the trade deadline, his value quickly plummets like a rock to the bottom of a lake.
That's apparently what's happening with Reemer, who has been out with a concussion since January 12. Via the omniscient Bob McKenzie of TSN:
Three weeks to the deadline, and Toronto Maple Leaf fans will hate to hear this but there is a very real chance the team doesn't make a significant move between now and the trade deadline.
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James van Riemsdyk has a concussion, he's not a factor for the Leafs at this point.
If Burke and the Leafs aren't interested, it's hard to imagine anybody that's interested. We all hope Reemer gets well as soon as humanly possible, especially considering the unpredictability of head injuries, but for anybody who wants him in town -- including himself -- being out of the lineup for the next 20 days might just help the cause.
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No trade is a good trade
I still don’t understand the idea of trading a young player with huge potential for a player with either less potential or one who is not as good. Unless the Flyers get better goalie play this year (mainly from Bryz), they won’t be going to far into the playoffs most likely, regardless of who they get in a trade.
Luke Schenn got an huge upside just like JVR and consider blueliners develop slower then forwards, it could make sense, but I cant wait to see what a healthy JVR can do next year either along side Schenn or Giroux
by Anders Jensen on Feb 7, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Noticed that. Took the douche about 10 minutes to figger it out. God, between the game and those awful announcers, it was just a bad day. I was almost wishing for Stiegerwald and Errey.
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 7, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
This.
Is it difficult to study the opposing team’s roster before the game starts? What an embarrassment.
by mattsotheran on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
This is actually a good thing IMO. JVRs concussion saved the flyers from potentially making a trade in which I really think they wouldnt have improved the team too much, and given up a prospect who I really think is still capable of being a star in this league
by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 7, 2012 9:42 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Or… they could end up right back where they were with Joffrey Lupul, flashes of immense talent, woeful inconsistency, isn’t able to piece it together for years, meanwhile getting paid like a star.
If not for that extension kicking in, nobody would entertain thoughts of trading the kid. While Homer tends to shine with trades, he really counteracts a lot of that with his piss-poor handling of free-agents and potential free-agents — the man loves to buy high.
Here’s the thing though: the Flyers entertained the idea of trading the kid last year, long before they even signed him to the extension. So no, his name isn’t coming up in trade rumors simply because of his extension. His name has been rumored to be traded since he was still in college. This is a recurring theme.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
The real recurring theme is that he’s never quite shown the kind of obsessive competitiveness that separates good players from great ones — if he can’t channel into that regularly, he’s going to be a permanent resident on the trade block. It seems the Flyers have always been concerned about whether or not JvR would come close to meeting his potential — it seems like those questions went away for a summer but have returned in force.
he’s never quite shown the kind of obsessive competitiveness that separates good players from great ones
Again with comments about a player’s attitude. How can you demonstrate this? I really want to know. This type of argument is used so frequently, I want to know how you can possibly have this sort of insight?
He had a cold start last year, and was correspondingly the subject of many trade rumors. But then he turned it around and put up 40 points. Not too bad, IMO. This year he was on pace to exceed that, despite playing through injuries. I’m not even talking advanced stats at all here, just plain and simple point totals. To me it looks like he’s doing fine. Good enough to keep around on my fantasy team. And I don’t get to watch many games, so I can’t look for things like “competitiveness”, it doesn’t show up in fantasy scoring. But I’m biased and a bit of a homer, so I like him. You obviously don’t. I want to understand why, without speculation of what’s going on inside his head.
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All I will add to that is:
His shot totals are way up this year, something else that is incredibly rare (and that I argued it wasn’t going to happen based on precedent).
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Didn’t know it was rare. But shots are also fantasy points, so I like when players take a lot of them.
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A modest increase isn’t rare, but a huge jump (he went from 2.31 to 2.89 per game) is quite rare.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Again with comments about a player’s attitude. How can you demonstrate this?
Of course, we don’t know what’s going on inside JvR’s head, just like we didn’t know what was going on in Jeff Carter’s, or Joffrey Lupul’s, or Joni Pitkanen’s… but what we do know is that none of those guys were ever characterized as guys who “hate to lose”, or known as guys who put in too much extra time off the ice, or known as guys who delved too deeply into the details of the game. What all those guys have in common is that they were dominating on size, speed and skill for so long that they never had to test and possibly exceed their limits, which usually is what separates the wheat from the chaff at the highest levels.
I like JvR — I wouldn’t trade him for anything less than a king’s ransom because I think that’s what he’s still worth right now. But I’m just not sure he’s got that necessary inner drive that would ever allow him to meet the lofty expectations that come with being a 2nd-overall pick. Tack on the $$ extension, recent battles with health, and, to me, if you’re ever going to consider trading him, now is the time.
Its impossible to know that as a fan though. Unless, of course, you go to the majority of practices and keep track of who stays for extra work each practice.
by TommykUD on Feb 7, 2012 12:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Also, find me an athlete who enjoys losing. :-p
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve never gone to a bar after a bad day of work to blow off steam?
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haha, I’m aware. I wasn’t being serious.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Jagr doing the solo nighttime skates w/ weights, Danny B being a notorious gym-rat and having bulked up too much in the past, Rod the Bod, Recchi’s obsessive fitness leading to longetivity, Giroux’s much ballyhooed summer workouts, Hartnell’s recent commitment to getting into peak shape… when guys go the extra mile, people tend to notice.
What if you go that extra mile in behind a pickup truck? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okA2dTVdYS0 :-p
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if he learned to push people out of the way like he pushed that truck hed be the next lindros
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Earlier today, I read his prospect profile from way back when he was drafted, looking for any “characterizations”. They mentioned his size and that he could easily hold a spot for himself in the crease.
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Just like Richards used to get...
Until last year.
by TommykUD on Feb 7, 2012 4:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn’t give him to much credit for his trades. The upshall trade was lol. And the Pronger trade if we won the cup in 2010 well worth it. But we didn’t. And now we don’t even know if he will step foot on the ice ever again. I’m not gonna go over every trade but he hasn’t been Ken holland or anything.
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by Rrainone on Feb 7, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha you forgot the sarcasm font! I knew that was coming.
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by Rrainone on Feb 7, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Homer won with Leino twice!! Getting him for OKT, getting the best of Leino while here, then not paying him more than he’s worth. I’m sure those in Pegulaville are delighted with Leino now….
Granted we got nuthin for Leino, but that’s about what he’s been worth in Buffalo.
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
This.
I was happy to see Leino get paid by somebody not the Flyers. And I was happier seeing him stop overachieving.
by mattsotheran on Feb 7, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
The downside
of course, is the rumors for years that he faked his symptoms long after they left in order to not get traded.
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by BannedStreetBully on Feb 7, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions
The only way I want JVR gone is if we get Weber or maybe even Suter for him. Otherwise its really not worth it.
I LOVE that
But it’s a pipe dream. Straight up, at least.
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Silver lining to the injury rash.
Pronger goes down, and our D kids get to play big minutes — yes, making mistakes, but learning along the way. Up front, concussions have knocked down some of our best — and again, the kids get to play big minutes. Would we really have any idea about Scooter, Reader and now Schenn if the minutes had not “become” available? Come playoffs, we can throw battle-tested, energetic rooks onto the ice, and it’s an advantage that few teams can match. All we need is somebody to get hot between the pipes.
Trading JVR would be silly anyway when there are defensemen UFAs this offseason. Also the price for a signed, decent d-man will drop significantly at the draft when the stakes aren’t as high. This is his first year getting legitimate first/second line minutes and he’s been fighting injuries almost the entire year. Stupid comparisons to Patrick Kane aside, he’s still developing his game and has the ability to be dominant. And JVR and giroux are the only young guys remaining with cup-run experience. IMO Schenn, G, Scooter, and JVR are untouchable for the next couple of years.
we have no space to sign a legitimate top 4 d man this summer if we resign carle jagr and voracek..we need to dump big salary and if we could get a stud like luke schenn im happy. i mean honestly hes putting up the points of a good 3rd liner and we really are not hurting offensively like we are and will be when kimmo goes..with schenn an 8.5B that beans hes right in between being a number 1 and number 2 d man. even if he drops its still theoretically a number 2 number 3 d man..which is what we need. i knwo we all like jvr but its our d that doesnt have top tier talent in the pool and not our fowards
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I’d be more comfortable trading Danny B if thats the case. Makes far too much money and isn’t getting any younger. His production isn’t stellar and his size/defensive game leaves him at a huge disadvantage in his own zone. Of course, I would have been more comfortable trading Danny B last year instead of Richie/Carter…but I don’t think we’ll be seeing either of them back in flyers uniform.
Honest question: If you were the Flyers GM, what would you offer up for a player who makes far too much money and isn’t getting any younger. His production isn’t stellar and his size/defensive game leaves him at a huge disadvantage in his own zone?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions
To Phoenix for Boedker and Schlemko. Done and done.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
There are teams looking for veterans with experience who can finish around the net in the playoffs like Nashville, Detroit, LA, Phoenix. I’m not saying we should trade Danny, just that if we’re gonna unload talent it might as well be the old guys so we can just go full rebuild already. You will not get a top-4 defenseman for Danny B. But why even make a trade for a defensemen this year anyway? It will cost more than JVR to pull off a Suter or Schenn deal. You probably talking at least a 2 player deal, or a couple of picks. You don’t blow up a roster, or blow up your prospect pool before your even a season into rebuilding both. Particularly when that rebuild was focused on filling out the wings with size and talent.
Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but I’ve noticed there are a lot of comments and sometimes lengthy threads that talk about trading guys who have NMCs. Is there some escape clause for teams that I don’t know about, or are we assuming the player will agree, or is this just for giggles?
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 1:48 AM EST up reply actions
There is no escape clause.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
The player can choose to waive it, otherwise you’re kinda stuck.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
That’s what I thought. When I think about trades I just set the NMC guys to the side. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on their part.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
You didn’t answer my question. You say all these horrible things about Briere and why you would be comfortable trading him, but if he’s so bad, what could you possibly get for him?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
Alittle late, but give him away for some crap AHL player just to save 6.5 mill on the cap? (I got nothing against Briere, just think his contract is way to big)
by Anders Jensen on Feb 8, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think that would be wasting a still-productive player, but at least you understand that if you have a good reason to get rid of Briere, the team you’re trading him to has the exact same good reason to not acquire him.
That often gets lost in “trade [Player X]” discussions.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes – but admitting that he does have current value to the team is value that another team can then realize in trade (flip side of what you’ve said, really). The value to the Flyers is cap space; the value to the other team is a good-to-decent scoring centerman at a stable albeit high cap hit for another 3 seasons.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. I just don’t understand saying “this guy is so shitty. We should trade him.”
If the guy is so shitty, who would trade for him? Nobody, so start being more fair.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Geoff, criticizing Danny’s game doesn’t mean he’s a shitty, worthless player. He’s a great playoff performer and a geniune scorer. His a veteran, leader, and asset to the team. But in the context of a rebuilding Flyers team its doesn’t make sense keeping him for much longer. Brayden Schenn is presumably being groomed for the second line center role behind G. You also have to make room for Scooter whose currently stuck in a 4th line dungeon. It makes sense this year because he’s so young but it can’t be long term. So why not move Briere while he’s still got some value to other teams?
The way I see it you have 3 options with Briere as the team moves into the future.
1) Trade him now/next year for a decent draft pick or a defensive prospect.
2) Extend him at a discount and bounce him back to the wing to make room for Schenn/Scooter
3) Let him go as UFA in three years and get nothing
Criticizing his game is fine, but you said trade him because he makes far too much money, is old, doesn’t really produce, is too small, and can’t play defense. If you go that far to criticize him, what can you possibly expect to get for him in a trade?
You then say he’s a great playoff performer, but what team do you know that has enough cap space can use his playoff performances? St Louis? Would Briere even waive his NMC to go to St Louis?
It’s easy to say “trade Briere”, but it’s a lot harder to come up with a team would who trade for him and give up something of value.
Lastly, you want to trade him now because he’s UFA in three years? Why not trade Timonen too? He’s old, overpaid, small, isn’t scoring goals, and he’s UFA in one year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
Quoting from my previous posts
“I’m not saying we should trade Danny, just that if we’re gonna unload talent it might as well be the old guys so we can just go full rebuild already.”
I not running down the streets yelling “Trade Briere!!!” or saying that it would be easy.Its rife with complications. Sure, trading JVR would be easier and is more attractive to other teams. But on balance, JVR has more value here than what he would bring in this trade market. My original point when this whole thread began was that I would rather not trade anyone. I think its much smarter for the Flyers to not make a move at this point with the inflated deadline cost.
And the Timonen thing is an entirely different context because our defensive prospect pool isn’t nearly as deep as our depth at center. If we had schenn/couturier caliber talent sitting on our 3 d-pair or in the phantoms, then entertaining Timonen trade might be something to consider. But like JVR, Timonen has more value for the Flyers on the roster than off it at this point.
Quoting from the post before that:
I’d be more comfortable trading Danny B if thats the case [where we lack cap space to sign a d man]. Makes far too much money and isn’t getting any younger. His production isn’t stellar and his size/defensive game leaves him at a huge disadvantage in his own zone. Of course, I would have been more comfortable trading Danny B last year instead of Richie/CarterYes, that’s not “running down the streets yelling ‘Trade Briere!!!’”, but Geoff never claimed you were saying that, that’s putting words in his mouth and exaggerating to make that side of the argument sound ridiculous.
His original question (which you still haven’t answered) is that if you have all these criticisms of Briere (which you clearly do) and are comfortable trading him (which you clearly are, last year even), what do you expect to get in return? Who would want him and what would they give up?
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I think he’s answered this, actually.
His view seems to be that the Flyers’ forward youth makes them more of a contender down the line than right now and so if they’re going to move a forward for a defenseman, he would move an older forward for a younger defenseman who can be part of that.
He specifically doesn’t like Briere because of the contract and one-way play, but recognizes that Briere is a scorer and a playoff performer who has value to a team that sees themselves as a contender now, and hopes to get a decent pick or defensive prospect in return. Geoff’s right to question what contenders could take on $6M of cap hit in such a deal, and there might not be a trade partner out there, but that doesn’t make RedWire’s stance irrational, just unlikely.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Conservatively…
1. Briere to LA for Voynov and a 2nd round pick
Voynov is young, promising, cheap and LA wants goal scoring. Briere is versatile, wing or center for them.
2. To Anaheim for Sbisa
Probably tougher to get than Voynov but Briere could fit here as a character/leader guy after their early season implosion.
Pie in the Sky….
1. To Winnepeg for Big Buff,
Imposing presence, can go to the front of the net, versatile and relatively cheap. Briere becomes a leader on a young team on the playoff bubble, probably pushes them over the edge. Fan base would probably go rabid for it. Never gonna happen though because Buff is too central to their D line. Maybe if we throw in Timonen? Only half kidding :)
2. To Detroit for Ian White OR Brad Stuart.
Both a little old but will be around longer than Prongs or Kimmo. Probably the one team Briere might waive his no trade to play on. He’d have to go back to wing.
The Kings have $2.5 million in cap space.
The Ducks were talking about trading Bobby Ryan just last month, why would they acquire a playoff performer when they’re selling young stud forwards?
Winnipeg even you admit won’t happen, so why include it as a possibility?
Detroit is the most realistic one you’ve named and I still don’t think that helps the Flyers.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
a) I never specified trading at this dead-line. I’d prefer we wait until the draft.
b) I doubt the kings will resign Dustin Penner for another 4 or 5 million, which leaves them plenty of space for Danny next year. Danny would be a huge upgrade for them instead of Penner/Stoll on the second line. Stoll is also a UFA next season.
b) The ducks never did trade Bobby Ryan and they’ve been playing much much better.
c) Winnepeg was listed under the title “Pie in the Sky” for a reason.
d) White or Stuart would be upgrades over Mez, Bourdon if Pronger is done.
e) How about to Nashville for Suter at the deadline? No guarantee we can resign Suter but we’d be able to afford his raise clearing Danny’s salary.
Hahaha, good point, I’m surprised this doesn’t come up more often.
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Geoff likes to point this out once in a while. My personal favorite counter is that trading Player X for a bad of used condoms would make sense to the team, just for gaining the cap space and roster spot. (Actually, that’s the premise of the fanpost I put up yesterday – moderately absurd, but an interesting intellectual exercise. IF we simply traded all the bad contracts away for little-to-nothing, could you make a competitive team simply through free agency? Turns out you can.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
haha, once in awhile? That’s awfully flattering of you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
I love these “serious hallway” pictures. You seem to have a whole collection of them. Or maybe we just talk about JVR a lot.
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I love them too. Wish we could use them more often.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Except for the pink shirt and tie. That’s gotta go. Maybe that’s what inspires the questions above about his ‘committment’.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it’s lavender.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
So??? Puce? Chartruse? Salmon? Lavender? Pink? Doesn’t matter. Friut flavors belong in children’s cereal, not men’s clothing.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
The color itself is perfectly acceptable for men’s clothing; however, the shirt/tie combination is horrendous.
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I disagree, but then my fashion palette tends to the very Republican end of the spectrum – grey and blue, with black accents. So what do I know?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Closer to “Conservative Business Dress” if you will. That’s totally fine, I enjoy it for certain meetings with certain customers for my work; there is something nice about the understated. However, going to the rink to play in an NHL game isn’t really the same as a law office, so there isn’t a problem with the color.
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Eh. I see your point, and since it’s less ‘formal’ having a 22-year old express himself a bit in fashion is acceptable I suppose.
You’re still correct – the shirt AND tie together are atrocious; separately they’d be better (although still not to my personal liking).
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I’m totally down for a very conservative look though. I think it’s a fun challenge to try to be conservative while still being able to add something to the outfit that’s a bit of an FU but not crossing the line. I think certain things have their place. Dress used to be a lot stricter in the past, but has gotten far less so. It’s a growing hobby of mine so I take interest in it. I am hardly an authority, but am quickly developing strong opinions haha.
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Being an engineer, and one that works a LOT with landscape architects and planners (who wear a LOT of bright colors), I wear my conservative style as a badge of honor. Frankly, if one can pull off wearing conservative styles and still look good (not just blend in), that is the penultimate style statement to me.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
Funny thing is I rarely, if ever, have to be dressed in a suit, or even jacket for work. Heck I wear jeans most days because I get a better interaction with the people I need to get data from when I dress casually (to match them). I wish we had higher standards here so I can justify replacing some suits that desperately need replacing.
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I live my work life in khakis and a polo or button-down shirt. That’s engineering for you. I’d prefer jeans, but having been to meetings with other organizations where people show up to the meeting in jeans, I know it doesn’t look professional. For meetings, I at least add a tie, if not a jacket or suit, depending on how important the attendees are.
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Precisely.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I try to vary my dress – suits for important meetings, business ‘casual’ for office days, jeans and dress shirt for meetings at construction sites. Wearing a suit to a filthy construction site just makes you look like a dick – and I don’t need any help there. Conversely, wearing jeans to meetings tells people you aren’t professional or serious about the subject (in my opinion). Many of my coworkers wear jeans all the time … but then they don’t get the instant respect that I do either.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Tie needs to be darker, I think. Maybe another side effect of concussions is the inability to match shirts and ties?
The picture is from the playoffs last year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I love a nice purple shirt/grey suit combination, but that’s me.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
But what color are you doing for the tie? And what about pocket square (Y/N)?
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JVR needs more contrast IMO Tie and Shirt are too close darker tie or lighter shirt or both.
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however, the shirt/tie combination is horrendous.
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Tone on tone is very popular but is a style that I don’t favor. I don’t think it’s horrendous, but I’d prefer something darker there, like a black/silver combo tie.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
It can be popular, but popular doesn’t make it correct or a good look. And even though he is going for that, he fails at it anyway.
Black/silver is too wedding IMO.
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I don’t think so; I think it’s fine for the look. Some people do white, but I don’t generally like a white tie with anything. Others do blue. I’m meh on the blue.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Just because people do it doesn’t make it right. Silver isn’t appropriate for work, it just isn’t. Black as a base color I can at least live with.
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Live with meaning, I don’t mind it, I just see it as a cop out.
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You’re too particular, Don. I’m more concerned that the suit fits, than the shirt/tie combo. I hate, hate, hate it when guys where suits that aren’t tailored properly.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
As someone that goes MTM or bespoke now, I agree. I just think if people are going to do it, do it right for the situation.
These guys have the money to get the perfect fit on every suit they own. They can afford a closet full of bespoke suits, shirts and shoes if they want. I won’t comment on fit because some people prefer classic, some fashion forward, and depending on body type there’s a lot that can go in to it. But that said, with the money they have to get everything else right, get the details right too. Good color combinations are fairly easy to do.
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They just don’t give a shit, Don. They get the chicks either way.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Clearly, or else he wouldn’t have worn that. The point of this conversation was never if they give a shit or if they can get girls. Holy hell, sorry if you disagree I’m just explaining why I feel the way I do about it and why I am being particular.
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haha, you know Don is upset when he keeps going after doubleh bows out.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m just being a contrarian; I honestly don’t care that much. I didn’t think I had to use sarcasm tags around you, Don.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I know it’s sarcasm, but it’s also dismissive. I actually enjoy the topic and almost never get a chance to talk about it. So I’m happy to have a debate over the topic, but when it gets to the point this did I’m going to react; whether you are giving me shit in a good hearted way or not is irrelevant to me.
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After all, it’s not like I’m mad at you; if I was then I’d care about your intentions.
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I didn’t think you were mad at me; this isn’t HS. I had nothing else to say on the topic.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I didn’t think you were mad at her either.
But I pictured you with that annoyed smirk while looking skyward in disbelief face you always do when I bug the shit out of you.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely agree. The further advantage of purchasing suits from a proper place (Brooks, Banks, etc) is that they last much longer as well as looking better for those several years.
That said, I don’t think either purveyor even carries suits in colors that aren’t blue, grey, or tweed – so I’m good there :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Blues and grays are the essentials, really no need to go beyond. An earth tone is a decent option if you so choose. But you should probably clarify non-summer suits; I’m almost certain BB carries seer sucker suits.
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Dear god, what IS this world coming to??? :)
Actually I just looked at their summer collection – they have ONE seersucker suit in a very light off-white/grey color, and that’s it. The rest are in various shades of grey, blue, and tan. (One of the blue suits is a baby-blue that I do not approve of, but it’s tasteful enough to not offend.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah sorry, I read blue as Navy haha, whoopsies.
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Fair assumption, really.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I only have one suit, which is a nice JAB herringbone. It rarely gets worn. My usual dress is black pants and a polo, with a full button-down if some VIP is coming in.
Bob.
by The Dark on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
No pocket square, tie will be purple & grey :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Kind of matchy matchy for me (though I’ll do that too for stuff that has some louder colors in it), but if the tie is mostly gray I’m on board.
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I admit – I tried (at the suggestion of a woman) a grey suit with a mildly purple shirt and a grey tie with purple accents. She said it looked great – I though I looked like a snake-oil salesman. But hey, to each their own.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Personally I don’t like dark shades of purple. A lavender or pastel, something softer I think looks very nice.
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Yeah, I have a dark purple shirt, but I only wear it with a black suit and not often. Just not a huge fan.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
See, dark purple and black just doesn’t work for me – it’s too ‘South Philly’. I can actually agree more with the mild contrast Don is suggesting with a lavender or soft color. The shirt I agreed to was NOT a soft purple; it was kinda like an electric Barney color, and I didn’t like it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t really like the combination myself.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t really like the combination myself.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have other color suits?
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Now that I am all grown up where do you recommend getting a suit? Unlike my opinion on the salary cap I am not Ed Snider or Comcast and would like to maximize my cap hit versus performance. I am looking for the Eric Belanger of suits.
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Actually, if you get it tailored and you don’t wear it very often a Men’s Wearhouse buy is good value if you choose a name brand from their racks. I bought a very nice Bill Blass suit from there years ago, and it served me rather well.
But I am of the ‘buy a Mercedes because you’ll never need another car’ house, so … choke down the cost of getting a suit at Banks. They actually just had a deal recently where you got the full outfit (minus shoes and belt) for $400.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry – correction. It was a Ralph Lauren, not a Bill Blass. Either way you get the idea.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
They often have Buy one, get two free at Jos A Bank. My husband has to have several at any given time because of his work, so that’s where we go.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
They do have some damn good deals, and the quality (while not Brooks Bros) isn’t bad at all. Their fitted shirts are among the few that actually fit me without being tailored (I have a 52" chest, a 17" neck, … and a 30" arm seam).
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks Bros
Massively OT, but you’ve just explained a lyric in Guys & Dolls to me that I’d never bothered to look up what the reference meant.
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LOL. Brooks Brothers type!
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Now I know what he means!
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I LOATHE Brooks Brothers. I go into that store and it gives me hives. It’s the way my husband feels about shoe shopping. The women’s clothing is awful.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Brooks Brothers carries women’s clothing? :) I thought only the Queen wore that kind of stuff.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
They do and it is, for the most part, dowdy.
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Interesting. My wife (bless her white-trash heart) despises it as well. And Ann Taylor. And most things that aren’t, in my modest estimation, tasteless.
And yes, she knows how I feel about her clothes, and frankly doesn’t give a shit. That’s why I love her.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
See, now I love Ann Taylor. You don’t have to buy the suit; you can buy the pieces. Her stuff wears well and wears long. I like her semi-formal pieces best and jewelry/belts. And I love animal print when it’s well done. It goes with everything in limited amounts.
Also, in my line of work, I can wear denim. I prefer tailored denim. AT has great tailored denim pants.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I don’t disagree with you … if anything I am jealous of your husband, because shopping with you HAS to be easier than shopping with my wife. There really isn’t anything to be found in Old Navy when you’re talking about formal wear … yet she tries. You can take the girl outta Kensington, but you can’t get the Kenso outta the girl.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
My husband hates shopping for anything for me. He’s really not into clothes and, though he’s better than when we met (shorts and a cartoon character tee with a GD satin Orioles jacket), he goes a fairly lazy route with most of his clothes.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
The funny part is that my wifde loves to shop … except with or for me. I’m of the type that I know exactly what I have in mind, and until I find it I will continue searching. I spent four years looking for a new winter coat, before I found it in Maine. The flip side is that I have kept that coat for 6 years and counting, and that’s how I treat all my purchases – they gotta be right because they gotta last. She’s more of the ‘DSW’ type of shopper; she’d rather buy something cheaper so she can get a new one next year.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Shoe shopping...
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Oh, I know, and I totally understand. Just don’t make me go into a stuffy store like BB. Or a trendy store like A&F. Can not breathe…
I’d rather go to Lowe’s or Sears.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I dunno … I guess it’s all about what you’re used to being around. I grew up in Mt. Airy and Chestnut Hill – so the Brooks Brothers crowd was pretty much everyone. Trendy, however, was more Center City, and was looked down upon by our neighborhood. And Sears was a place to get hand tools, and maybe jeans.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I meant I’d rather go into a store like Lowe’s or Sears. BB for women to me just screams “I’ve stopped trying and now I’m wearing the old, rich person outfit.”
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
As in, I don’t buy clothes at Sears, dear God.
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their headwear's nice
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 7, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea what you’re talking about (having avoided that show like it had leprosy), but you’re welcome.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
What’s your budget?
As suggested below Jos A Bank provides a nice bang for your buck. Also, I’d recommend going to a real tailor to get it altered (this would fit in with penguinsfan’s suggestion for MW). If you need a suggestion, I have a wonderful tailor in Newtown Square.
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Oh, one more thing, if you want to step up your game in the suit world, but not spend a lot. Go to Nordstrom’s end of July/beginning of August for their Anniversary sale. You get ridiculous deals then.
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August is THE month to shop for deals at any clothing store, FWIW. Women, too. ;-)
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Haha most definitely. I just know Nordstrom carries a very nice line of suits and they can all be 40-60% off, maybe more. You can get an $800 suit for a Jos A Bank price. So if you want a go to nice suit or something, it’s worth a look. Note: They do have less expensive, and for that matter more expensive, suits as well.
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I actually really like high-end department stores for formal wear rather than any outlet store. Go at the right time and you can find “firsts” for much less than the outlet will get next year. (I say this as a woman—women tend to try to buy formal wear cheap at outlets or TJ Maxx type places; men should never buy suits this way)
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
try to buy formal wear cheap at outlets or TJ Maxx type places; men should never buy suits this way
Hear, hear!
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed I do.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Good. Black is for funerals. Unfortunately it’s the only properly fitting suit I have right now as the others have been altered to match my transformation from fat Don to skinny Don,a nd aren’t quite up to my standards. Luckily I’ve found someone to remedy that and will be slowly rebuilding the collection.
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I only have one suit: charcoal pin-striped. I should probably get another. Any recommendations?
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Navy.
Tan.
Light grey.
Another charcoal one. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
How many buttons on your current suit (I’ll take lapel type, pocket type, and vent type as well), what will be the 3 main purposes for the suit in descending order.
Color, navy, then light gray.
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I ask to give you more suggestions haha.
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By the way, this thread is totally making my day.
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What does that say about you, eh? :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I get to talk hockey a lot during the week, this place is a nice addition to have more educated discussions about it. I never get to talk suits and as easily as I’m angered, I;m equally easily pleased.
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LOL
I’ll buy that. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
Also – and don’t take this the wrong way – what’s your build? I mean, I’m stocky so I cannot wear double-breasted suits EVER. Conversely, tall skinny people look silly in the wide-lapel jackets I can wear.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
You can probably tell from my profile picture; I’m fairly slim now. In grad school I ballooned to 201-22 at 5’11". now I’m around 160-165 in the summer, and 170 in December/January.
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Oops – my comment was actually a response to hintzy. But hey – still relevant to the discussion!
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I think that one advantage to being thinner is that you can ‘get away’ with lighter-color palettes. If I was to wear a light-blue suit at this point in my life, I’d look like a moron. The shadows create additional texture in lighter color fabrics – and when they’re stretched out, the shadows are in all the wrong places.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I think that’s mostly perception. Just depends, if you get it the fit right it can really fix a lot; the problem is, off the rack fits skinny a lot better than not skinny.
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I suppose. Frankly I get most of my clothes tailored – as I pointed out above, my measurements are a bit tough to match off the rack. But even tailored, lighter-colors on a suit jacket tend to look balloonish on me.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, that’s the problem. With off the rack stuff there is a certain limit as to what even a great tailor can do (when it’s no longer cost effective, most tailors will just tell you to buy something else). So I definitely agree with you in general.
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Light colors make everyone look bigger. The skinniest woman in white pants will photograph 20lbs heavier.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Yeah – and at 5’7" and 210+ lbs, I don’t need any help looking wider.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Double breasted can definitely be done with stocky people, quite well, but it’s harder off the rack. But if your stocky I would make sure you always have a lower button stance to elongate your torso.
I think wide lapels only look silly because people are used to seeing the new trend that skinny people love, narrow lapels.
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Hmm. I disagree. I’ve tried double-breasted suits, in all sorts of configurations (at the behest of that same woman that pressed the purple shirt on me). I didn’t like the way I looked in any of them. The ones that didn’t look like I was bursting out of them (regardless of actual fit) made me look like I was wearing some form of mid-’40s German uniform, if you know what I mean.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, you;d have to go with a tailor that knows what he is doing, and find the right proportioned DB on the rack to take to him. It’s more trouble than it’s worth, or money if you go bespoke.
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I’m 6’0", ~160. Pretty skinny.
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First of all, fuck you.
Secondly, you can absolutely wear double-breasted suits and make them look good.
Third, the suit needs to match the occassion. Dark grey is a very multi-purpose color; it’s alright at funerals and weddings alike. Lighter grey tends to a less formal atmosphere, while still being classy. Navy is also a pretty general purpose suit, but you’d want to reserve the dark grey one in the closet for funerals.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
I admit I had to google double-breasted and then take another look at facebook pics to figure out what I have. :-p Mine is single. I like the idea of double, that would be very stylish.
Multi-purpose is why I have dark grey. :-)
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I’ll send you a couple good examples of DB suits I think you’d like.
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Ok sent. Let me know if that worked through FB.
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Current suit is 3-button. As for the rest of your questions, see any picture of me at a wedding on facebook (there are plenty), you’ll know better than I. Main purposes would likely be: meetings, weddings, concerts. Weddings are starting to slow down though, so concerts may pass it.
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I am fascinated by this discussion.
1. This is the guys’ version of the thread about hair a few weeks back.
2. I definitely believe the generalization that American men dress like slobs (I’m one of them sometimes). So this attention to fashion makes me want to – I don’t know, something about having your back if there’s a sale at Barney’s. Clothing bonding.
3. Clearly we have another clique.
4. JvR puts no effort or heart into how he matches colors. Disgraceful for a #2 pick. He’ll probably never live up to his potential.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 7, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
1) Hair? Missed that one.
2) I’m a slob on weekends – not professionally.
3) Woohoo! I’m a member!
4) Blame the captain. Obviously you can’t trust a bunch of Canadians for fashion advice (well, DUH!).
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, a hair color thread—was in a game thread.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Well, I do believe I have made my opinion on that subject sufficiently clear in the past.
Redheads, but it must be natural, are my faves. Beyond that, any color paired with freckles is acceptable.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Why does it have to be natural?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Well-executed haircolor is good whether it’s “fake” or organic. Most real redheads augment their haircolor anyway.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Most real redheads augment their haircolor anyway.
Must resist urge to demand statistical proof…
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Sorry, Eric—most redheads “I know”. LOL. Henna.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I trust your statistical analysis slightly less now.
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Rather be dead than red in the head is what my Dad always says to me.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
LOL. And I have red hair.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I have many close friends with red hair! My college roommate had red hair! I am married to a woman from India!
Sorry, got my threads crossed on that last one.
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You got me! I’m FLYERROB.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Gotta make it safe for 4th graders around here.
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I think I should apologize for excessive flagging. I’m working on my third doughnut of the afternoon and it got away from me.
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Do StatNerds Dream of Redheaded Spreadsheets?
Speaking of sheep, I had a girlfriend who had the same sheep pattern on her sheets and underwear. She was a redhead too.
I never should have waived her.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 7, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
It musta been dyed – I’ve never heard of naturally red sheep.
Or did I misunderstand? :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
took me a minute.
you can take the boy out of the farm but you can’t take the boy out of the…..
/tad vulgar
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 7, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
At the risk of being a tad vulgar, do they dye it all? That’s important – like false advertising if it’s not matching (or at least reasonable; I understand that natural doesn’t always match either). And if it is that well-executed, who’s to say it’s dyed? (“… Maybe it’s Maybelline?”)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
A natural blonde doesn’t match. Natural auburns rarely match. Shit, are you one of those guys where the bra and underwear always has to match, too? /s
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Incorrect. I have actually seen natural blondes that match. And redheads … part of the charm is that soft red fuzz … but I digress.
Bra and panties don’t HAVE to match, although it sure is nice. :) My ex-wife spent a whole lot of money at Victoria’s getting matching sets.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I’m a natural blonde and I never did. Now I’m a redhead by choice and it looks better on me than the blonde.
To each his own. Matching bras and underwear are too much work, lol.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Admittedly – most natural blondes (myself included) don’t ‘match’, although you can tell the difference between ‘black’ and ‘really really dark blonde’ if you take the pubes out in the sunlight … that was an interesting experiment, and a story for a different time.
I match my underwear to my outfit, and ensure that my socks match as well, even though no one aside from my wife sees them anymore. It is to me just completing the outfit. But I do understand that ‘separates’ are harder to do – my ex-wife fit the Vicki’s bras, but the panties were too slim in cut generally. So she was more comfortable in good ’ole Maidenform panties or whatever, with a fancy-dancy bra. But for dressy – always full-on matching.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, pf, I’m seeing an entirely different side to you. LOL. Sunlight?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Hey – I was young once too, ya know? :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
And you’re welcome for me not making the obvious joke about you ‘seeing’ …
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Freckles (and the blue eyes) are what made me go all weak kneed the first time I saw my fiancee. I’m a total sucker for freckles.
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I am a sucker for the brown puppy dog eyes on guys. I guess we always like what we don’t have.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I’m led to believe that my blue eyes are what caught my wife’s attention. And I was drawn to the unique shape and variable color of her hazel eyes. So there you go.
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Curious. I almost exclusively date blue eyed women – and I also have blue eyes. The blue eyes and the freckles are pretty much the only consistent aspects between the various and sundry relations I’ve had over the decades.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
Well, there are shades of blue eyes, too. Mine are ice blue, aqua in the light. My mom’s were same. My Dad’s are dark blue. I’ve seen some guys with blue eyes with orange flecks in them. He was pretty hot.
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Yep. The women I have dated … they’ve ranged from very deep dark blue to shiny baby-blue eyes, and have had accent rings and specks of various colors. My eyes are blue-grey; ‘stormy-sky blue’ was the best description I’ve heard, although they do get brighter in sunlight.
But I don’t remember anyone (in some 20+ serious relationships) that had anything outside the blue spectrum. No green, no brown, no anything else but blue.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
There doesn’t seem to be a pattern among girls I’ve dated, but then there weren’t that many of them. I know I very much like dark blue eyes, especially with dark brown hair. But I was unsuccessful in having the stones to ask those girls out in HS. :-p
Maybe it’s dark eyes in general for me. Hmm. My wife’s eyes vary from dark green to dark brown.
Oh, and she does like my freckles, I forgot about that.
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Navy, great suit for weddings and business. If it’s not black tie, a navy suit is the next best thing. But I’d also highly recommend a lighter gray suit as well.
You have notch lapels, and I won’t be able to see the vents. You have normal flap pockets, totally fine. If you want to be a little fashion-y you could go for hacking pockets (slanted). They were traditionally made for riding jackets which is why they are “improper” for city dress. But it be fun to play with as your current suit is pretty conservative apart from being 3 button.
Color: Navy, if you want to add texture go for a pick and pick or shark skin fabric
Pockets: For fun, you could go with hacking or add a ticket pocket (would be a fun reference if you go to concerts, ticket pockets made for tickets); if you go DB, keep them formal as they are on your current jacket
Button: 2 Button! You have to get it, also, never button the bottom button on a suit, ever. Again this is SB only
Vents: Side vents, center vents are for less formal suits and riding jackets
Lapel: Notch is totally fine for single breasted, if you want to make it more formal/fashion forward, go peak. If you go DB, peak is a must.
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I do like the slanted pockets – and I admit, ‘hacking pockets’ is a new term for my vocabulary, so thanks.
Deep navy in a herringbone, with ‘standard’ lapels and flat pockets – the jacket I just bought most recently and LOVE.
http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop/Product_11001_10050_279063
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
I LOVE micro/mini herringbone on shirts and herringbone on jackets.
As far as hacking pockets go, i really think they would look good on Hintzy. If he keeps his jacket buttoned and gets a jacket with some waist suppression, the hacking pockets will narrow his waist and make his shoulders appear wider (assuming the buttoning point is correct).
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Yep – and those points are precisely why I couldn’t wear that style :) My shoulders are wide enough – the tailors usually take out any padding from the jackets I buy so it fits better. And slanted pockets wouldn’t save my waistline either :0)
But for Hintzy – sure. (Damn him.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
I’m working on widening my shoulders at the climbing gym. :-p
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Haha, this will help it, or accentuate what you will have.
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yeah – that is DEFINTELY what a double-breasted suit will do. That’s why it makes me look a bit silly as well – I look like I’m six feet wide and three feet tall in them.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking about a SB here. I wouldn’t put hacking pockets on a DB ever, but outside of that I would take the same approach with Hintzy for a DB. Lower button stance, decent amount of waist suppression, etc.
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While I have a forum for discussion, my wife busts my stones about the break in my pant legs CONSTANTLY. She says my pants are too short; I say just barely breaking over the shoe is correct for someone with shorter legs like myself. (She wears her sweatpants to the point of stepping on them, so she is no expert.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on what you prefer, I like the slightest amount of break so I would side with you on this one, but those that prefer more break aren’t incorrect either, as long as the pant still drapes nicely and doesn’t bunch.
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She literally insists that when standing, my pants should cover the shoe down to the sole, and on sitting no sock should show at all. I don’t think that looks good anyway, and with the stocky-ness of my legs any break is gonna raise above the shoe when I sit. But it’s nice to get confirmation nonetheless.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah that’s too long IMO. She would hate some of my pants, especially my no break specials.
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Thanks.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
No, that’s absolutely too long, even on a woman. A lot of women wear their dress pants this way, FWIW. It’s maddening.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Danke – particularly nice to have a woman agree with me.
Not that I expect her to change her mind – but she’s used to me ignoring her fashion suggestions.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
If it’s not black tie, a navy suit is the next best thing.
If it is black tie, I have a tux. ;-)
never button the bottom button on a suitI’ve heard this before, but if I don’t button it, the bottom of my tie sticks out. So I generally don’t button at all.
Vents: Side vents, center vents are for less formal suits and riding jacketsI googled the difference and I believe I have side vents, but not sure. When I bought the suit I have, I was told it was a European style which worked well with being so thin. Claiborne, perhaps? I forget.
This is all excellent advice, thanks!
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Properly speaking, you should always button the top button upon standing, and unbutton it when sitting (except in a conveyance, when it is proper to leave the jacket closed).
And yes, I have taken etiquette classes. Urg.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve heard this before, but if I don’t button it, the bottom of my tie sticks out. So I generally don’t button at all.
Only leave a jacket unbuttoned if it’s a single buttoned and/or if you have a vest. Tie your tie a little shorter haha.
As far as vents go, if the vent is in the middle it’s a center vent, if it’s on the sides on the jacket, it’s side. Basically side is more formal.
If you have any questions just shoot them my way.
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Only leave a jacket unbuttoned if it’s a single buttoned and/or if you have a vest. Tie your tie a little shorter haha.
Hmm, I do have a couple vests to go with my tux, never tried wearing them with the suit.
If I tie the tie shorter, then the skinny end is longer than the wide end! I’m pretty good at getting the two ends almost the same length. And the wide end comes to my belt. Maybe a different knot would take more length out? I use a Windsor knot.
Hmm…now I’m doubting whether it is side or center vent. Meh, doesn’t matter.
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Well a suit and vest should be matching (same fabric etc.). And a tux is probably best not to bring up as there are a ton of rules about tuxedos and I don’t want to be a dick hahaha. Then again, if you’ve nailed them, then I’ll be extremely impressed.
Try using a 4 in hand for a tie.
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Oh quick note.
Try to make sure your collar points meet your lapels on your jacket and don’t fall short. You are skinny, you should wear collars with a bit more spread in them anyway.
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Ah, so then the vests stay with the tux. I didn’t think they’d look right with my suit anyway. If I follow any of the rules for tuxes, it would be be sheer accident. It’s a hand-me-down from my dad since he’s also a musician and I’m the same size he was in college.
I used to use a 4-in-hand knot, but thought it looked too skinny and asymmetrical. I personally like the wider look of the Windsor.
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If it’s a hand-me-down, it may be correct then haha.
And fair enough on the windsor.
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Now I’m curious about tuxes… Another time.
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Haha most definitely as I’m on my way to the game now.
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by DLJr on Feb 7, 2012 5:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah, I’m outta here too. Dinner and then salsa/merengue class with the wife.
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I am the only one who always wonders how salsa and meringue would taste together when I hear that.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Or a double windsor if that’s what you’re comfortable with – the larger knots are in fashion now (again). But always ensure that the wide end is at the belt or a shade over.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
But always ensure that the wide end is at the belt or a shade over.
Okay, so I have that right. But then the end is visible if I do the top (or top two) buttons of my suit jacket. I guess that’s okay?
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You probably wear your pants too low is my guess.
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Or more so not at your true waist.
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What if a man can’t find his true waist? My husband has to wear his pants too low because of the bowl full of jelly.
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The unfortunate truth – and I don’t admit this to myself either – is that just means he needs bigger pants. I hate the fact that its true, but it really is. The damn tailor always tries to measure my waist around a line parallel to the ground from just above my hips (you know, where it actually should be) and I push the tape down under my baby-bump so it comes up less than 36 and I don’t feel so bad.
In another two years I’ll stop caring – that’s my over-the-hill rule.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, my suit pants I wear higher than any other pair of pants I own because they are tailored to fit my true waist. They cannot sag.
Look again at the pic on fb of me with the girl in the purple dress. (4th pic at top of my profile page) The tie was tied a little too long that day, admittedly, but the bottom button of my jacket is roughly even with my belt. If I do the two top buttons, the tie is visible at the bottom. Maybe the jacket is the problem? From what you’re telling me, those buttons suddenly seem very high.
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Hmm I’ll have to check tomorrow.
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by DLJr on Feb 7, 2012 5:27 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Thanks for the pointers I come from a blue collar family my dad owns 1 suit in my 30 year existence and wears once or twice a year at best. I have no clue at what to do. But I do realize I need to get my shirts tailored my chest is much bigger than my waist all shirts that fit me are ballon like around my midsection.
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Consider some of the stores “Made to Measure” services. They are a bit more expensive, but if you have trouble with fit on shirts it might be worth the extra money. Or they have them available online for much less if you take or know your own measurements; I think that is roughly $50-60 on some sites which is a really good deal.
You could also try slim fit; just because they are slim doesn’t mean that are only for real skinny guys. And then the final option is to spend ~$15-20 having them made kind of slim fit in the areas you need them to be at a tailor.
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I have the same problem – what Don suggests is true, or you can try the ‘athletic’ fit of some manufacturers.
http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop/SubCategory_11001_10050_1002500
That’s what I wear, and even without tailoring (which I usually add) it’s a pretty good fit for my 52" chest and 34" waist.
OK, OK, 36" waist!
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Oh also, on your next suit, ask for something where the quarters are less open or more closed. Quarters are basically the bottom of the suit below the buttons. If you have open quarters, the suit spreads more, if they are closed, they don’t spread at all and you won’t see belt, tie, etc but it creates an awkward visual aesthetic. I typically prefer the quarters to be a little smaller than the opening above the buttons, but close (visual aesthetic to create an X if you will).
Your tie is definitely a bit long in those pictures, and I can’t tell how your current suit buttons, and what the quarters are like. I honestly think switching to a lower buttoning stance 2 button jacket will help a great deal with the problem. And if you prefer keeping your jacket open, purchase a 3 piece suit.
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Lower buttoning stance definitely sounds like the way to go for me.
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Somehow I just picture you crouching to button your jacket … :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that we know what JVR is capable of when healthy (see last year’s playoffs) should be reason enough to absolutely not trade him. People forget he has a hip injury that’s been hampering his explosiveness this season. In the offseason we can pick up a defenseman and JVR can get surgery/rehab his hip and get back to the form we saw in the Buffalo/Boston series’.
In the offseason we can pick up a defenseman
Not really – at least not without shedding some salary, and JVR projects to be a decent amount of that salary cap with the new $4.25m contract coming up.
That said, I do not believe that trading JVR is the optimum solution to that problem. There are other, less-desirable salary-cap hits on the roster that would be more easily replaced than a young scoring winger. (They can’t hope to find a Matt Read every year, although the track record of doing so isn’t that bad for the team.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Jody Shelley comes to mind, also we will either lose Jagr or have to sign him cheaper next year.
by Anders Jensen on Feb 7, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely agree about both points – but losing Jagr creates a gap there that we only hope Voracek can fill, and then you’ll need a replacement for him on the ‘third’ line.
Realistically, the simplest way to look at it is by cap hit. So in order, Briere, Timonen, Bryzgalov, Pronger, Coburn, (Carle is likely in this range), JVR, Hartnell, Meszaros. Everyone else is under $4 million a season. Of that list, the one person with the greatest unrealized potential is easily JVR. The hardest to replace is probably Timonen, with Carle/Cobie/Mez coming in second. Pronger is untradeable if he’s not healthy (of course, neither is JVR). That leaves Briere, Hartnell, Bryzgalov, or one of the defensive triplets C/C/M. By trading Briere, you shave the most salary, you remove the player most easily replaced (we already have G, Schenn, Scooter, and Talbot signed as centers), and you cut ties with the one who is slumping the worst. For Briere’s salary, you can sign Jagr AND resign Carle AND promote one of the Phantoms to the NHL club’s 4th line.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Clarification – Jagr’s salary, Carle’s expected new salary, plus a fourth-liner, does exceed Briere’s current salary. But the combination of Carle’s current salary plus Briere’s then adds up to more than the three I listed – that’s the real equivalency. Just to be clear.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I actually replied to you in the scoring chance post, that if the new CBA gives team that buy out card, that they should consider using it on Briere (or trade him, but thats abit hard with a NMC)
by Anders Jensen on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Jinx. :)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
I’d say Voracek is the guy to leave next year, he’s good but easily replaceable, talented but doesn’t really bring anything THAT special to the team IMO. I don’t see his ceiling being all that high compared to a lot of our other young players.
Do you say this before or after seeing his scoring chance data?
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I kinda figured that if the team let Jagr walk they HAD to keep Voracek. And since Voracek’s an RFA, not UFA, at a reasonable $2.25 m contract … not who I’d suggest at all for the team to release.
Shelley, sure. Sestito, perhaps. Rinaldo even, maybe. But you’re only making tiny cap impacts with those three players – their replacements will cost about the same and not be substantial upgrades (except maybe in the case of Shelley, you could argue for a Nodl or Carcillo instead being a big upgrade). To retain the defensive depth the team currently enjoys, they’ll have to move some BIG salary numbers somehow – and 4th liners ain’t gonna do it.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
holy shit a 100 comment string about colors…….
Beets,Bears,Battlestar Galactica.
MICHAEL!
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Thanks everyone for playing along on the tangent today.
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by DLJr on Feb 7, 2012 5:30 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
De nada.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
And it is somewhat amusing that we can have more comments in one thread about something completely off-topic, than Pensburgh has in a whole week of threads. Not sure what that says about us here …
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 7, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I might recruit you for some tips sometime. Even browsing through the thread, I learned quite a bit.
Keeping alive the old Vaudeville joke, "I'd rather be dead than play Philadelphia."
Glad it was somewhat useful to someone.
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I’ve learned that good shoes can make a casual outfit look much dressier (almost said “classier”) and can make a mediocre suit sparkle. A few years back I told a friend of mine that I wanted to upgrade my wardrobe so she took me to a Cole Haan outlet store and made me spend all my money on shoes. I thought she was crazy but she was right. Everything looked better and I noticed a subtle difference in how I was perceived by people I didn’t already know. So my fashion strategy is from the ground up.
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Good shoes make a difference as well as the right shoes for the right occasion. May I suggest Allen Edmond. They are by far your best bang for your buck; they aren’t inexpensive if you are just looking at shoes in a store, but considering their process and quality, they are ridiculously inexpensive. Plus, for $99, at any point during the life of the shoe, you can get it completely resoled and restored, so basically it’s a shoe for life.
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I like the last part. I get attached to shoes. Thanks!
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by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Check out their site or some of their process videos on youtube, it’s impressive. They also make affordable, well made, single monks which I love and are typically very hard to find.
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single monks which I love and are typically very hard
I thought monks took a vow of celibacy …
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Good thing I don’t link double monks.
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Frankly they fall in with the ‘black suit, purple shirt, silver cufflinks’ genre for me – too slick and slimy. I’m somewhere between ‘monks’ and loafers, so pretty much lace-up old-school dress shoes. Loafers are too damn prep-school for me, and most pointy-toe shoes are too psuedo-Italian for me. Bostonians, Rockports, … you get the idea.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I like single monks for more casual dress looks, but they can still be used for “CBD” if the rest of the outfit is conservative enough. I tend to like cap toe oxfords and bluchers with different lasts. I don’t mind a point as long as it isn’t over the top.
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I think part of it is stereotype – I imagine the people wearing black suits with pointy shoes to be skinny Italian and French guys, while the conservatively dressed grey suits and oxford-style shoes are found on the more portly German and English gentlemen.
Being a pretty stocky Austrian guy myself, I wear the more traditional stuff.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
What’s a skinny German to do?
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There is such a thing?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh right – Hochdeutsche. Damn Prussians.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. Of my 3 favorite dress shoes, 2 are conservative as far as last, one is a bit more fashion forward with a longer and pointier last. It sounds like the break you prefer in your pants, or lack there of might be rooted in a different style than your foot wear though ;)
And so we are clear, oxfords can have long, pointed lasts just as much as any other shoe. For instance, my pointy, longer last shoe is a black, blucher cap toe, but they had the identical last in an oxford without the cap toe; which is considered a more formal/conservative shoe. The shoes are also my one FU in my tux ensemble, which otherwise sticks very stictly to the golden age of tuxes guidelines (in theory I should be wearing pumps, velvet slippers, or at the least patent/high shine plain toe oxfords or bluchers).
being obnoxious and self righteous while ignoring the point since 9/29/11
I should be wearing pumps
Easy there, sailor. :)
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
I could definitely stand to improve my shoe situation some as well.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
usually one sits to change shoes … bazinga
Maxime Talbot - in the Orange and Black ... better than chocolate and peanut butter!
by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
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