Wait, Evgeni Nabokov? Flyers dominate, but Isles' goalie just a bit better in 1-0 SO loss
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Once we reached about five minutes into a scoreless third period at Wells Fargo Center tonight, you just knew it was going to be one of those games that'd end up either wonderfully satisfying or brutally heartbreaking. One where the Flyers would either be rewarded for a relentless effort, or forced to slug back to the locker room with a dejected feeling they wouldn't really deserve.
Sometimes you just don't get the result you deserve in this game, and tonight was Exhibit A. The Flyers peppered the New York Islanders net with 45 shots -- compared to just 18 on goal for the Islanders -- but Evgeni Nabokov had an answer for each and every chance the Flyers could muster and New York left the building with a 1-0 shootout victory.
Make no doubt about it: Nabokov got exactly the result he deserved tonight, but he's probably the only guy on either team who can say that after this one.
The Flyers top line really poured it on tonight. Scott Hartnell, Claude Giroux and Jaromir Jagr combined for 16 shots on their own, and at even strength, they each had an on-ice shot differential of at least 20. Dominating stuff, really, and the only reason several pucks didn't find the back of the net was Nabokov.
Special teams were even more impressive. The power play was (obviously) held off the board for the first time in seven games, but it was still a potent unit that generated quite a few chances. The penalty kill was even better, at times getting more chances while shorthanded than the Isles were getting with the extra man.
But none of it matters, thanks to Evgeni Nabokov and the shootout. It sucks, but there's really no sense in getting upset about it. Some times, you just have to tip your cap to a guy and move on. Hey, look on the bright side: Second shutout of the year for Ilya Bryzgalov!
One quick note on Bryz: He made 18 stops tonight and got a shutout, but a lot of people in both the comments and on Twitter are giving him a hard time. He wasn't bad tonight at all, and yeah, the shootout wasn't pretty. But you can think of it two ways -- a) he's just not all that great in the shootout, totally plausible, or b) that he didn't see the puck all that much tonight and wasn't nearly as sharp as Nabokov by the time the shootout arrived.
It's unfair to blame the Flyers' lack of shootout success on one guy. Remember, this team has been shitty in shootouts since long before Ilya Bryzgalov arrived. They've been shitty in shootouts since long before Peter Laviolette arrived, too. Something needs to change, because they are losing valuable points in these games, but placing the blame on just one or two people isn't fair and it's kind of silly.
Questions with Answers
- Steve Staios is playing. He didn't play last time the teams met, and the Flyers couldn't give him any pay back for his hit on Max Talbot. How long are our memories tonight? Whatever.
- How's Danny Briere look in his return to the lineup? Briere was solid. Strong on faceoffs, two SOG, almost 20 minutes in ice time.
- Can the defense tighten up? They were much better, yes.
- Can Ilya Bryzgalov tighten up? Zero goals good enough for you? (Apparently not, for some.)
- The power play has been really potent of late. More? No goals, but still looking dangerous.
Comment of the Night
A lot of comments in this thread don't reflect the game I just watched.
>> doubleh, on the notion of perspective
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Oooh, horrible grammar on my part there. I blame the wine.
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by Travis Hughes on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Nice URL…
Just to be clear, this does count as a shutout for both goalies, yes?
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Yup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Proof: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8468524
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
is this shutout worthy of shaving a shutout beard?
by profoundnotions on Feb 7, 2012 11:12 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Trade Paul Holmgren and Peter Laviolette for a GM and Coach to be blamed later.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
I guess no one remembers the time I wanted to trade John Stevens to Detroit for Mike Babcock. A week later, Stevens was fired.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
After that comment. when I see this I picture the Jeopardy theme playing.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 7, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think Edmonton is already dialing Ed Snider’s phone.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 7, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Also change the site slogan.
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Look on the bright side, the blue jackets would still be worse than us.
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by Rrainone on Feb 7, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
At least CBJ won last night. Carter with the game-icer (not decider).
/appropos of nothing
by Georgia_Flyer on Feb 8, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
not sure if serious
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No. JackCampbell reference.
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by mikefive on Feb 8, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought it was quite an outstanding game for the orange n black. the top line was on fire. watching G and Jags move the puck in the O Zone is a thing of beauty. sad it had to be ruined by a coin flip.
eh..ill feel better if they could do this against the rags or boston or detroit
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ill be happy with a similar effort against whoever we play next. it seems like the team has been very up and down lately.
by profoundnotions on Feb 7, 2012 11:29 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
faketpanotch Kimmo smashing a beanbag chair with a hammer, over & over, whisper-screaming “The Game Was Ours” in Finnish. Someone help this man.
faketpanotch “[Muffled sobbing]” – Coburn, post-loss.
faketpanotch Say what you want. This was Bryzgalov’s fault.
That’s gold Jerry!
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
for the record.....i didnt even bash bryz for the loss tonight
i wanted to but i didnt…this was on the shooters…choices
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Yes, cause with 40 shots you figure they could have scored one.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
I think he meant the shooters in the shootout.
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I’m aware. Was making a joke/point.
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Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 7, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, sorry for joke kill.
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All good. Just trying to point out it had a lot more to do with the loss.
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by JerseyDriver on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Having only watched the 2nd period and eyeballed the 3rd period thread/Twitter, three quick thoughts
1. I guarantee the same people mad about Laviolette sending Simmonds out for the SO were the same people who were calling him useless back in November, and as we can see that was quite the prognosis.
2. If people are seriously suggesting that Bob take over for Bryz in shootouts, it’s worth noting that the guy who was in net tonight has stopped 64% of the career shootout attempts he’s faced and the guy opening the door tonight has stopped 52% of them, so unless you think that Dave Tippett’s system (that is, by the way, apparently the reason Bryz was good but now isn’t good any more) also includes shootout wisdom that he magically lost on his way to Philly, I’m totally OK with leaving him out there.
3. Maybe it’s just me, but given that no team in the history of hockey has ever won a game in which they put zero pucks in the other team’s net, I don’t get the wisdom of blaming the one guy whose job description does not include “put the puck in the other team’s net” for the loss.
Oh well. A point’s a point. Let’s go get two more against Canada on Thursday.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 7, 2012 11:24 PM EST reply actions
maybe a little off topic but bryzgalov’s overall numbers his first full season in phoenix are very similar to his numbers this year. could just be coincidence and I’m sure it is but its a little interesting
by profoundnotions on Feb 7, 2012 11:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
1. I guarantee the same people mad about Laviolette sending Simmonds out for the SO were the same people who were calling him useless back in November, and as we can see that was quite the prognosis.
I’m sorry, but why do these to things have to be lumped together? Are you just trying to show us that you’re really smart or something by implying that you knew all along how good Wayne Simmonds was and that Simmonds is actually, in fact, good in the shootout? Hate to break it to you, but the facts do not agree with you. Going into the game, Simmonds was 2-8 in his career in shootouts, including 0-3 this year with the Flyers. Is that what you would call good? Are those the types of percentages you want to play when you need a point? It doesn’t make sense to keep throwing someone out there that is not a good shootout guy percentage-wise, especially when there are other skilled guys like Couturier (1 chance) and Schenn (0 chances) that haven’t really had the opportunity to even try the shootout. People who didn’t want Simmonds shooting are saying they would rather have gone with an unknown than have Laviolette trot out a player who up till then in his career was scoring 25% in the shootout. That’s all.
Saying that I don’t want Wayne Simmonds in a shootout, at least for me, has absolutely nothing to do with my evaluation of him as a player. The shootout is a garbage skills competition. Wayne Simmonds is one of my favorite NHL players. I was so pumped when the Flyers got him, and I knew he would be a fan favorite here in Philly. If instead of a shootout, the game were decided by a fight or an offensive player controlling the puck going 1 against 2, I would send Simmonds out there every time. But to make your “guarantees,” about people’s opinions about Wayne Simmonds is a generalization and, quite frankly, insulting to people who actually pay attention to the game. Because people who do pay attention knew that Wayne Simmonds was 2-8 in the shootouts before he took his shot yesterday. Those aren’t very good numbers. And to imply that those people also never valued Wayne Simmonds as a player is ridiculous and insulting, because anyone who pays attention to the game of hockey knows that the shootout has no bearing whatsoever on a player’s actual value to the team.
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
KABOOM!
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mighty putty. shamwow.
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 8:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
While I’m terribly sorry if I insulted you with a generalization, using a career percentage based on a whopping sample size of eight shots to conclude that a guy is bad at shootouts is only slightly less misguided than using a poor month of play to conclude that he’s not good at hockey.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
Which, for the record, isn’t to say that I’m opposed to a guy like Couturier or Schenn (who’s 0/1, btw) getting some chances, nor am I saying that Laviolette should be sending Simmonds out every time or anything like that. It’s more to say that he doesn’t deserve to be criticized for going to a guy that has shown he can play some good hockey, and that has, y’know…skills. And even if you’re hellbent on going to a guy who DOES have a lot of “skills”, that doesn’t really guarantee you anything as far as the shootout goes. There are a bunch of “skilled guys” that “aren’t good” in the shootout, when in reality they probably just are the victim of small sample sizes. Likewise, plenty of guys who don’t really strike you as “skilled” are “really good” in the shootout.
Jarret Stoll went 9 for 10 in the shootout last year. Jussi Jokinen is known as a guy who’s really good at shootouts. Are either of them “more skilled” than guys like Marian Gaborik or Thomas Vanek, two of the league’s better goal scorers, who if I recall correctly have pretty mediocre numbers in the shootout?
If you want to try something different on the shootout, fine. But getting mad at the coach and saying he blew the game because he’s sending out the guy who’s third on his team in goals is dumb. My apologies if my initial tone was uncalled for, but the point remains.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but the fact that Wojtek Wolski can show up on both the list for “best shootout seasons ever” one year and then on “worst shootout seasons ever” the very next year, while both years getting double-digit chances (as in, more than Simmonds has in his entire career) kind of proves my point, unless you think he went from being super-skilled one year to completely losing his skill the next.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 1:34 AM EST up reply actions
All I said was that saying “I want someone other than Simmonds in a shootout” does not mean “Wayne Simmonds is a useless hockey player.”
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Whoops reply to wrong post fail
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 1:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
“But getting mad at the coach and saying he blew the game because he’s sending out the guy who’s third on his team in goals is dumb.”
I must’ve missed the part were I said Laviolette lost us this game…
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 1:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Check the 3rd period thread. People were getting mad at Laviolette and basically saying he threw the game because he sent Simmonds out on the shootout.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions
Okay I’m sure a few people said stuff at the end of the game, but I certainly wasn’t one of those people. I think we can agree that anyone who says a coach lost a game because of a shootout choice is going overboard. I was one who said I would’ve liked to have seen Schenn or Couturier instead of Simmonds in the shootout just as a changeup. That’s all. I think I was just very oft-put by the way you wrote guarantee like you were some sort of hockey genius prognosticator judging all the ignorant idiots and that you implied evaluating a player’s shootout ability is at all akin to evaluating his play in the actual game. I think most people know 8 shots is a small sample size, but when playing a shootout which is basically a crapshoot, some people will take any sample size they can get. And I wasn’t implying Simmonds never take a shootout shot again. I was just saying that “hey the shootout hasn’t been working for us lately, so let’s try something new. Simmonds is 0-3 and hasn’t looked that great in his 3 attempts (again just my opinion), so let’s see what Schenn can do instead.” I didn’t like the fact that that viewpoint was extrapolated to the opinion that Wayne Simmonds was a useless player in November.
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 3:07 AM EST up reply actions
All I said was that saying "I want someone other than Simmonds in a shootout" does not mean "Wayne Simmonds is a useless hockey player."
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 1:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Again, that was a bit of a generalization on my part. When Wayne had his two long stretches earlier this year where he was pointless, every time he did something wrong there were people bitching about how he was useless out there and how dumb it was to trade Mike Richards for him. Basically, overreacting to small sample sizes. Which is what some people were doing here. My point remains, but it was poor judgment on my part to assume they were the same people. Apologies.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 2:13 AM EST up reply actions
Well certainly 8 shots isn’t a great sample size, but again the shootout is a totally different animal than the actual game so it’s not fair to equate a 2-8 shootout record with a bad month of hockey. I’m not claiming that Wayne Simmonds would only make 2 of every 8 shots for the rest of his career, but shootouts don’t occur often enough for coaches to keep putting players out there until they get a satistically significant sample size that tells how they are in shootouts. The point is that the Flyers were struggling in shootouts, and Simmonds was 0-3 this season. Not only was he 0-3 but his attempts weren’t even of a high quality, at least in my opinion. Something on the shootout had to change and Simmonds being the worst shootout regular as of late should have been benched in favor of a different player. Since shootouts don’t occur as frequently players need to have a much shorter leash. Of course 8 attempts isn’t a very good sample size, but with how small most players shootout data is, sometimes quicker judgements need to be made… Anyways the whole point is the shootout is a skills competition, and I mostly took issue with your implication that asking for a change-up in the shootout lineup is at all an indictment on Wayne Simmonds’ play in the actual game.
by FooFighter1124 on Feb 8, 2012 1:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In other news, Rangers may or may not have been boned out of a point tonight. Thinking that they were.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 7, 2012 11:54 PM EST reply actions
Is Tortorella whining yet?
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He no comment’d it, probably because he likes having money.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he has been yapping a lot lately…
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Yeah, I think he learned from that first one.
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
it was a close call, i could see it going either way, call or no call. It didn’t look like a clear push, but he did kind of ride him into the goalkeeper. I can understand why it was called, but i can see why someone would complain about it. Im not upset with them losing a point though.
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What kind of idiot could have suggested the Flyers go after a guy like Nabokov?
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by Chase W on Feb 8, 2012 12:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh, what a great thread that is.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not a Nabokov fan by any means. But at $570k and as an alternative to a $5 mil Bryzgalov, I’ll defend Nabokov as a great alternative.
Finding a replacement for Leino will not be hard at all. How hard is it to find a guy that can only play on offense? He’s basically Rob Schremp.
Nice, that’s nice.
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Yeah, but you’re missing another chance to call out JIBTA. It’s amazing that anyone could be that consistently wrong, much less someone who takes every opportunity to declare himself an expert and everyone else an idiot.
your nuts
leino >>> steeg .. steeg is a joke .. hes an average third liner making too much money
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha I did have a nice lul at that.
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your nuts .. versteeg blows .. hes worse than hartnel .. worse trade he has ever made .. i can defend the pronger deal,, the upshall deal .. this trade was as bad if not worse thant the steve emiger deal .. hes absoulte garbage and makes over 3 mil
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Thanks, those were my two favorite comments in that thread!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
I see you, penguinsfan
I know I am one of the most virulent Hartnell-haters, but I still say that Sestito can damn near play Hartnell’s role, and for a quarter of the cost. Hartnell just doesn’t have any marketable skills beyond his size.
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Just back from the game
Out of the 45 shots, 30 hit Nabokov in the chest. I don’t like the shootout, but if they played a 10 minute OT, I still don’t think the Flyers would score.
The Flyers better step it up for the next three games!
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by Clutterbuck4MVP on Feb 8, 2012 12:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I wonder if the Flyers have ever lost to each of the New York teams in consecutive games.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 12:57 AM EST reply actions
Do they play Buffalo next?
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 8, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah.
It never struck me before that the city was named after an animal that lived a thousand miles west, but according to Wikipedia buffalo lived in the eastern part of the U.S. as well, all the way to the coast.
To answer your question.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah. but they’re so far west of the Hudson, like on the Pacific ocean.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I’m going to treat tonight like it was an old-fashioned tie, because the Islanders extra point doesn’t matter. Some nights you don’t beat the goalie, and in the days of the tie you could count on a few of those every year.
We got a point against a goalie who wasn’t going to let one in all night.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 1:41 AM EST reply actions
Wow. Both goaltenders played great, and anyone that has been paying attention to hockey should already know that Nabokov has been hot for most of the year.
I’m not surprised this ended in a skills competition tonight. (I’m also glad it did, because I played Bryzgalov AND Nabokov in my Pro Fantasy League tonight. Two shutouts baby!)
To those folks who are still down on Bryz… honestly, the Islanders had fewer shots, but they had as many good looks, probably more, at the net than the Flyers did. Our defense was the exact same…. giveaway central. Islanders definitely had more breakaways, two-v-ones and partials than the Flyers did.
Bryz played fine. STFU. Thank you.
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Oh, crap. Just forgot. Geoff got his trifecta. Boo. Not boo Geoff, but boo to the result.
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Damn it!
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Hoo boy, not this again.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 8, 2012 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
yes, one must just sigh and move on.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
That’s just how his face is.
I heart our rookies.
by LeepinLizardz on Feb 8, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions

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