Harry Zolnierczyk sent to Adirondack Phantoms
by Travis Hughes on Feb 8, 2012 3:47 PM EST
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The Flyers announced this afternoon that Harry Zolnierczyk has been sent back to the Adirondack Phantoms. He's been a strong player on the fourth line for the Flyers for most of the season thus far, but apparently he's lost his spot on the roster to Tom Sestito, who has played in Harry Z's place in a few games since the All-Star break.
Zolnierczyk was a healthy scratch last night against the Islanders, on Saturday against the Devils and last Tuesday against Winnipeg. It's evident that Zolnierczyk has been marginalized by the play of Sestito, and I'm not going to pretend to understand that considering they play completely different roles.
I don't absolutely hate the move from a sending-down-Harry-Z perspective, but the impact it has on Sean Couturier is what worries me. He's now all but forced to play with some combination of Sestito, Zac Rinaldo and Jody Shelley on that fourth line... and well, that sucks. Maybe the alternative is to put Max Talbot on the fourth line, but I'm not sure how I like that either.
Essentially, losing Harry Z forces the Flyers to lose some versatility in the lineup, and that's the part that's more bothersome than anything else.
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Remember way back to a few hours ago, when we were talking about how Rinaldo was like Zolnierczyk with no offense and Shelley was like Zolnierczyk with no defense?
Yeah, those were good times.
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by Eric T. on Feb 8, 2012 3:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Well now you can use the offensive part when you need that, and the defensive part when you need that. They’re separated for convenience. Why use one player to do what you can do with two?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Or a knife wrench!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Where did Sestito come in that handy-dandy little scattergraph, eh?
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Todd’s data was through game 41 — Sestito only had three games played in that span. He was breakeven in that time, but it’s just 4 chances for and against.
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I was being somewhat facetious – he’s only got 10 games total. Talk about your small sample size…
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
So another bonehead decision by the Coaches and the Front Office. I guess we should not be surprised by this.
Make me wonder what’s next for this team.
My teams are the Flyers, Phillies and the Steelers. Deal with it.
I wonder...
Does Lavi have a say in who comes up and goes down?
And all I've done for want of wit, To mem'ry now I can't recall.
So fill to me the parting glass, Good night and joy be with you all.
Would you care to rephrase that?
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Why?
Having Couturier playing with Rinaldo and Sestito cannot be good for his development.
Keep putting Simmonds in shootouts perhaps?
It really irks me when he puts him in when you have players like Giroux, Jagr, Briere, Read, Voracek, Schenn, and Cooter there that can take the shot and have more skill/finesse. Simmonds mostly gets garbage/dirty goals, and he can’t just stand in front of the net during a shootout.
Sorry, that’s my misplaced shootout rant.
Completely agree. I don’t mind giving him a shot every once in a while to see what he’s got(when he’s had a really good game, perhaps), but three shots? And as the second shooter?
by mattsotheran on Feb 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Career shootout scoring percentage:
Simmonds: 25% (8 shots)
Voracek: 23.1% (13 shots)
Jagr: 21.7% (23 shots)
Read: 0 for 2
Schenn: 0 for 1
Couturier: 0 for 1
Is there really anything to suggest that Wayne Simmonds is demonstrably worse at shootouts than Voracek, Jagr, Read, Schenn, Couturier?
No. So why are you both so upset at picking the guy with the highest scoring percentage and who the coach says scores in practice all the time?
I don’t understand why people can have such strong opinions on something that clearly doesn’t have a right answer.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
The others have more discernable shootout skill, so while Simmonds may be running luck on his shootout %, it’s not neccessarily fair to say Read, Schenn, or Cooter are worse just because they’ve only had 4 chances between them due to the even smaller sample size. We know Simmonds mostly stands in front of the net cleaning up pucks, while the others have a mojority of their shots on actual skill shots or more “shootout” of a way than just standing in front of the net.
Simmonds has had 3 shots this year, not converted on any of them either, and hasn’t even looked impressive or like he had a slight chance on them, whereas the others have at least seemed to be good shots but just got beaten by the goalie.
The others have more discernable shootout skill
This is hardly fact, but rather your opinion. Afterall, discernable shootout skill is best judged by shootout success, no?
so while Simmonds may be running luck on his shootout %, it’s not neccessarily fair to say Read, Schenn, or Cooter are worse just because they’ve only had 4 chances between them due to the even smaller sample size.
I didn’t say Read, Schenn, or Couturier are worse, I’m simply baffled that anyone can sit here and say as fact that they are better. They have never scored a shootout goal, and if they were as good as Simmonds, wouldn’t they have at least 1 goal between them?
or more "shootout" of a way than just standing in front of the net.
I disagree with this logic. Shootouts aren’t about sniping a corner from the slot or firing a puck off the wall. When Simmonds stands in front of the net, he has to have quick hands, an ability to lift the puck, and awareness of where he is in relation to the puck and in relation to the goalie. 1) Quick hands; 2) lift the puck; and 3) positional awareness. Seems like excellent shootout skills to me.
Simmonds has had 3 shots this year, not converted on any of them either
Just above, you said four shots is too small of a sample. Now you’re using three?
I’m not saying Simmonds is better than those guys, what I’m saying is: How can anybody be so angry over the fact that the coach thinks he’s better? His career numbers show that he is. His record in practices say that he is.
But based on 3 shots, there are those who think it’s an abomination to use Simmonds? It’s ridiculous.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2012 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Once JVR gets healthy the 4th is Sestito-Scoots-(Schenn/read/max) and I love that. Sestito is far from a goon and we all can agree on that. His #s speak for themselves and he hasnt proven to be a liability yet. Harry z wasn’t dazzling. Keep him goin regularly in ADK and lets see what the big guy’s got.
by OrangeNblacK on Feb 8, 2012 3:57 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Sestito is far from a goon and we all can agree on that. His #s speak for themselves
I’m not sure I agree on that. Which numbers exactly are you referring to?
His traditional offensive numbers (NHL 82-game pace of 7 goals, 18 points; 15 goals, 37 points per 82 AHL games) are pretty similar to those of Andreas Nodl (7 goals, 17 points per 82 NHL games, 16 goals, 42 points per 82 AHL games), and he certainly doesn’t supply the same defense.
He scarcely has any numbers in the non-traditional stats, since those are only available at the NHL level, but he’s started in the offensive zone 70% of the time and achieved a -5.8 Corsi Rel this year; last year he started in the offensive zone 61% of the time and achieved a -18.6 Corsi Rel.
I’m not prepared to say that “far from a goon” should be a consensus opinion at this point.
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Seems like Sestito and Shelley are just redundant.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I like big Tom more than Shelley, just because he’s younger more athletic. But you’re right, they play the same game.
They’re a dying breed. And frankly, I could do what Shelley does. And I’d do it for league minimum!
by mattsotheran on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t know you but I’ll bet my house against a nickel that you can’t take a punch and stay on your skates like any NHL fighter….let alone Jody Shelley.
by alaskalovestheflyers on Feb 21, 2012 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
he hasnt proven to be a liability yet
He hasn’t proven anything yet. In ten games, he has 3 shots, no giveaways, no takeaways, one assist, an OZone start of 70% and an OZone finish of 45%. His Penalties-drawn exactly equals his Penalties-taken; his CorsiRelQoC is -0.5; he has 54 minutes in penalties and 75 minutes TOI total (with a whopping 33 seconds of that special teams play).
That’s filling a bench spot, but not much else.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m kind of indifferent to this move in the context of when JVR returns he would be the likely one out anyways. I like Harry Z but he has his flaws just like Rinaldo and Sestito. I believe a miss play of his led directly to the only goal against in the Nashville game a few days ago. Still with all of the Flyers recent injury woes I’m sure he’ll be back sooner rather than later.
Well, since he was scratched on Sunday due to Briere’s return, I absolutely agree that he’s worth more in Adirondack than in the press box. It’s better for Z, too. But as for whether it was Z, Rinaldo, or Sestito who should have been sent down, that is open for debate. I’m not completely sold that Z is the right choice, but maybe you’re right, if JVR is getting close, maybe it doesn’t matter.
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
he has his flaws just like Rinaldo and Sestito
I would argue that while they all have flaws, Z’s are completely different from the ones displayed by the other two.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
His flaws are better than the other two’s flaws.
by mattsotheran on Feb 9, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I have liked how the 4th line has played the last few games. Not that I think Harry doesn’t belong and Totstito does but I understand wanting a little more size on the 4th line. Z has literally no size, although he is a human cannonball. It could be an intimadation type deal but I guess I’m not really sure. As for scooter being affected by this I really don’t see it. He plays his game no matter if he subbing on the top 6 or playing with shelley and tostito. The minutes are there for him and if he keeps playing well like he has been he will get the occasional jump up the lineup when lavvy wants to mix things up, like last night. For a 19yr old kid I feel he’s getting a good amount of icetime for his first season as a pro.
by kckrebs on Feb 8, 2012 4:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If only we could keep Harry Z up and send Jody Shelley down.
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Along with Sestito? That would make me so damned happy.
The Flyers are 2011 Atlantic Division Champs, the Phillies just keep winning pennant after pennant. Great time to be a fan of those two teams on Broad Street.
If we have to keep one of them up as a 13th forward, I’d say Sestito over Shelley.
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It is officially time to waive Jody Shelley. Chips, aka Sestitio, has officially taken the role of enforcer for this team and he is younger, faster and more able to keep up with the game plan. Not to mention his cap hit.
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The first thing to come to mind is that the Phantoms are short on forwards. Matt Ford, whom we just acquired, is out for the next few games for a personal matter, so it makes sense to send a forward down if we aren’t going to use him this weekend. Z would not have been my first choice, though.
Or Homer and/ or Lavy don’t like the kid and wanted him out. To me, that’s ridiculous.
Or Homer has something else on the front burner and needs some cap space (short-term or not) to pull it off.
At least Homer didn’t need to gauge interest before sending him down.
the Flyers couldn’t score in the last game, so the solution is clearly MORE GOONS.
OPERATION TANK IS A GO. It’s the only explanation for Mike Weber. He’s on a secret mission.
...
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Goons an more goons!
Lightning strikes once, Hextall strikes twice!
"I think there is virtue in pissing off idiots." - Fehr and Balanced
Hey Ubi, a couple goons and maybe the Sabres wouldn’t be bottom dwelling since the “incident”. Just putting it out there.
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I still say Leopold would be a good Flyer. Been saying that for years – in fact, he was at the top of my list several years ago, but the team went and signed Captain BadKnees instead. (JK, Prongs.)
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 8, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
M truly is a master troll :)
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
Actually I think troll is a bit off the mark. I like to to merely stir the pot and poke at people. Trolling is usually someone being moronic and has no clue. That is not me. And although I really like Ubi, he came to a Flyers site, my Flyers site, and used the goon stereotype. So I poked backed. Besides the first time I ever suggested the incident may have screwed the sabres mojo Ubi threw their great record at the time at me. :)
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by MJDII on Feb 8, 2012 6:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ah, we have different definitions of troll then. I was simply referring to a comment intentionally designed to illicit an angered response.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Okay I can agree with that. To many people get called out for being trolls and they come here and make asses of themselves with no idea what they are saying.
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Replacing Scrabble with Rock-Em Sock-Em Robots.
Not a happy Christmas morning.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions
Bad news, negative outlooks.
This is my Philly sports year thus far. sigh.
Okay off topic but this is why we need a random evening post to talk junk. Watching the sabres/bruins. Now jonesy just made reference to the idea that because buffalo came out throwing some hands their skill players have some extra room on the ice to be creative. Maybe it’s a Canadian thing because whenever I listen to HNIC they make reference to fighting adding a dimension to the game.
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by MJDII on Feb 8, 2012 8:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Ville Leino Hat Trick: an awesome assist, a bad turnover, and a snowshower?
He’s 2/3 of the way there…?
by everybodyhitswoohoo on Feb 8, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wow rask got pulled and didn’t break anything.
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by MJDII on Feb 8, 2012 8:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not sure if you’ve seen this one. It was when he was in Providence. The milk crate is my favorite part.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Off the reservation.
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by MJDII on Feb 8, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not a fan of Scrabble being sent back to ADK.
Also, way OT but my friend and I are driving out to the Columbus/Dallas game tomorrow and we can’t decide who to cheer for, any opinions? :)
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Question for Homer
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by goldomatic on Feb 8, 2012 9:04 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
They have a reason for doing this I’m sure. I don’t agree with whatever reason that may be, but they have a reason for doing it.
I’m assuming it has something to do with Z having more scoring punch than Sestito at the AHL level, and the Phantoms only being 5 points out of a playoff spot.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
rec’d for creativity.
triple word score is rinaldo’s number. no way that’s a coincidence.
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
I still keep wishing to see intelligent eyes and a smirk under that #36 helmet … and continue to be disappointed when I see gritted teeth and a bloodthirsty look. Darroll Powe, we miss you!
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
What a 4th line…Poor Couturier…
Why did we ever get rid of Carbomb? Miss that guy.Rather him than Shelley or Sestitio. Do like Rinoldo’s hitting though.
Rinaldo = cheaper Carcillo, more upside (especially the way he has played this season). I don’t miss him really, but given the choice between him and Shelley I’d go with Chico Carbombs.
The truth is that I’d rather have Arron Asham than Shelley. Shelley was signed to replace Asham. That move made zero sense.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
By “I don’t miss him,” him = Carcillo, obviously.
Needz moar clarification of antecedents
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
Lappy, of course, trumps them all.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
And hopefully Thornton just got a 2, 5, and a game for that shit.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
As he’s getting on the ice, still hanging over the bench, grabbed a guy, then gets on ice, some other Sabre bumped a guy, he jumped him and started beating him before the guy got his gloves off. Guess it sucks when your team is losing.
G, the second coming of Foppa.
Embrace the Jagr.*
by JerseyDriver on Feb 8, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
avery double murder suicide?
I do not endorse any real violence against any nhl player and am only jesting with my statement.
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 11:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
OK, I’ll play devil’s advocate here.
We like watching Zolnierczyk play, he passes the eye test as an energetic fourth line contributor. And he’s just slightly losing the shot battle, with a Corsi Rel of -2.6.
But Laviolette isn’t familiar with the statistical powers of Corsi; he prefers scoring chances — and Zolnierczyk is one of the worst on the team in scoring chances; the Flyers get outchanced 58-42 when he’s on the ice. And if a guy is nearly equal in shots but getting badly outchanced, that suggests a shot quality issue - maybe it’s not entirely luck that the team is shooting 5.47% with him on the ice or that the opponents are shooting 15.8% with him on the ice, resulting in by far the worst +/ on the team.
I’m not sure I believe this at all, but it’s something I can easily imagine the Flyers thinking — and he also doesn’t bring the physicality that we know the team wants from its marginal players. If you aren’t bought into the argument that players are largely unresponsible for shot quality differentials (and lots of people aren’t), I could see how you decide that Zolnierczyk needs a little break.
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At some point, you should start using the preview.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Jeffy with the burn.
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Frankly, given that Eric’s posts are always equitable, justifiable, and educational – I feel the autoformatter should be tailored to HIS needs, not the other way around.
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by MaximumTalbot on Feb 9, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Fair point.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 9, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Remember when everyone was in love with Eric Wellwood and Mike Testwuide?
I don’t care about Zolnierczyk, and I think Sestito is redundant, but I am mostly curious about how Laviolette went from “no fighting” in Carolina to having Shelley, Sestito, and Rinaldo all in the lineup.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Organizational mandate?
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
Only explanation.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Feb 8, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yup.
“I want size, and I want toughness.” – Ed Snider after losing to the Blues in the first round of the 1969 playoffs.
“I want a ridiculously expensive goaltender, and I want toughness.” – Ed Snider after losing to the Bruins in the second round of the 2011 playoffs.
Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?
“I want one ridiculously expensive defenseman” ed snider after 2009, 2012
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 11:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
“I want a new owner.” — doubleh, 2012
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
It really isn’t. While I admire his desire to win, the win at all costs mentality isn’t always the smartest route.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
It’s not “win at all costs”, it’s “win at all costs while I’m still alive to enjoy it”. Agreed, it’s not the smart thing to do, but it’s his money and he’ll do as he damn pleases. What’s to stop him, the fear of dying?
serious question. snider is getting up there in age. what is the ownership situation looking like post snider? any knowledge of that? I haven’t gotten that in depth of my knowledge of the team yet. maybe better asked in tomorrows fly by?
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 11:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Jay Snider? OMFG. I have no idea.
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alright I’ll bring it up in the fly by tomorrow morning. I’ll be up early. should make for some interesting speculation. or should I do like a fan shot. i dont think i have anything for a fanpost. you tell me I’m still relatively new to really proposing talking points
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 11:47 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hm. well I have terrible social anxiety again so I’ll be leaving school early tomorrow at 2:35 and coming home. it’ll give me something to do and research. although I kind of want to do it now but id want to see feedback. I have no idea where id start. the flyers are technically owned by comcast spectator and since snider is the chairman of the company he is owner of the team by default. I honestly don’t know where I would find who would replace him as chairman. I saw jay snider was president of the team but I think that’s separate than being chairman of comcast spectator and owning the flyers by proxy
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 11:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wonder what would happen if they did like a green bay packer thing and let it be owned by the fans. however I don’t believe for a second comcast would give up the flyers seeing as I believe I’ve seen they are usually around the tops in revenue each year
by profoundnotions on Feb 8, 2012 11:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
he has his flaws, but we could do much worse...
/s, more often than not
by flyersfaninchicago on Feb 8, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
I know, but I do tire of the buy hideously expensive FA and deal with the repercussions later mindset.
Daddy, I want an oompa lumpa!
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
I’m still a relatively new in depth fan(fan since 2000 but really started getting into them after the lockout) but from what I read from longer term fans it seems like a perpetual thing of what you.mentioned. is that a snider thing, holmgren thing, or snider and GM’s conspiring together
by profoundnotions on Feb 9, 2012 12:05 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Snider thing I’m guessing. GM’s hired are always “Flyers family” or system guys, so I don’t totally blame them, although I’m certain some of the blame falls to them.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
but with a new owner that philosophy might change?
by profoundnotions on Feb 9, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Who knows? Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. Depends on the new ownership.
"I wouldn’t run if there was a fire. I wouldn’t run anywhere. I hate running." - O. Munn
well it appears the new ownership would be whoever is next in line to become chairman of comcast spectacor. which right now is Fred Shabel. i havent yet found if that is how it will be or if its a board of directors vote for chairman. im assuming it would be but the pdf of the organizational chart for comcast spectacor wont load
by profoundnotions on Feb 9, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
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