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Barry Ashbee Trophy 2015: Picking the best Flyers defenseman, aka 'the King of Turd Ball'

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The Daily News published their ballot for the 2015 Barry Ashbee Trophy, awarded to the Flyers' best defenseman, on Friday morning. We at BSH don't have a vote, but we discussed it anyway. See our chat below.

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Kevin Christmann: I think it goes without saying I do not vote for Schultz. I was originally leaning towards Streit but reading Frank's article and seeing the difference at 5v5, I think it


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it's swayed me to MDZ.

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Ryan Gilbert Del Zotto should win with Colaiacovo getting consideration but he won't because he hasn't played enough. Nick Schultz should be no where in the discussion.

BAAWNS will ultimately get it though


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I hope Luke Schenn wins so its BAAWLS


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Kurt R.: ryan delete your account


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actually jk that was funny


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Travis Hughes: colaiacovo totally has a case but yeah, i kind of agree that he shouldn't be in the running since he's barely played. that's not his fault of course but it still matters -- no idea what he'd be if he played all year

Nick Schultz is healthy scratch material and shouldn't touch the award with a 10 foot pole


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Kurt R.: grossmann, imo

suck it, stat nerds


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Charlie O'Connor: I'm still giving it to Streit. I don't think he's a passive observer on that 1st PP unit - he's one of the best guys at gaining the zone with possession and helping them get set up.


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Kurt R.: (also lol schultz is at the bottom of that list)


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Al K: I agree with charlie


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Charlie O'Connor: And Streit's a 54% possession guy at 5v5 away from Grossmann.


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Travis Hughes

: Streit getting saddled with Grossmann all year makes me want to hug him


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Al K: I think a case could be made for MDZ, but if we're going with a safe pick, Streit has to be it.


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Charlie O'Connor: there's some turnovers, sure, but I do think alot of those come about because he has to do ALL the puck moving when he's with Grossmann


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Kurt R.: and he knows that


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Charlie O'Connor: i'd be relatively ok with MDZ


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Ryan Gilbert: Streit has been not good recently, and recency bias and all.

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Charlie O'Connor: certainly a better option than Schultz


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Kurt R.: I think that's true, ryan


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Charlie O'Connor: yeah, I'd agree with that Ryan


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Travis Hughes: i can get on board with MDZ. i think it's Streit for all the reasons Charlie mentioned, but I won't be mad if MDZ gets it


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Kurt R.: even with schultz as his partner instead of grossmann, he's struggled lately

[he = streit]


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Travis Hughes: body of work though


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Kurt R.: true

also, uh


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"He was outscored at even-strength by Michael Del Zotto by a 21-10 margin."

hockeyanalysis says MDZ had 20 5v5 points and streit had 18


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Al K: Realistically, do we think anyone other than MDZ, Streit, or Schultz has a chance in hell? I know Grossmann is untouchable for scratches, but I don't think he gets too much praise from media.


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Charlie O'Connor: nah


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Kurt R.: None of those other guys have a shot


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Travis Hughes: Grossmann, MacDonald and Luke Schenn ... not a chance at all


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Al K: And I honestly dont think MDZ has a shot


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Charlie O'Connor: Coburn never would have won, but he would have had a case had he not been traded


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Travis Hughes: agree charlie


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Al K: Well, yeah.


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Travis Hughes: "but turnovers!"


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Al K: God we have to rank 1-8


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Kurt R.: LOL


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Al K: Thats damn near impossible


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Kurt R.: well lets do 1-7 because coburn died

(RIP)


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Ryan Gilbert: I cant name 8 Flyera defensemen


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Kurt R.: 7 grossmann 6 macdonald

i assume we are all in agreement on those


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Al K: On board with that for sure

Lol 7 is a guy who shouldnt be in the league but is never scratched and 6 is a guy who is getting paid a bajillion dollars but is scratched


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I want to die


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Travis Hughes: 7. Grossmann, 6. MacDonald, 5. Schultz, 4. Schenn, 3. Colaiacovo, 2. MDZ, 1. Streit


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Ryan Gilbert: MDZ, Streit, CC, Schenn, Schultz, MacDonald, Grossmann.


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Al K: Well i agree with both of you so no need for me to rewrite that.

Wait. I agree with travis


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So 7. Grossmann, 6. MacDonald, 5. Schultz, 4. Schenn, 3. Colaiacovo, 2. MDZ, 1. Streit


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Charlie O'Connor: 1. Streit 2. MDZ 3. Schenn 4. CC 5. Schultz 6. MacDonald 7. Grossmann


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Kurt R.: 1. Streit
2. MDZ
3. Schenn
4. Schultz
5. Colaiacovo
6. AMac
7. Grossmann

linebreaks, bitch


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also while i think colaiacovo is better than schultz, i do think the fact that he only played 1/3 of the year matters


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Charlie O'Connor: haha yep

obviously not colaiacovo's fault but yeah


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Al K: Yeah, I get that.


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Ryan Gilbert: No love for MDZ.... At least hes used to that


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Charlie O'Connor: I could be persuaded to put Grossmann over MacDonald just because even though his possession stats were terrible, he did score some goals and the floor never really fell out from under him in terms of goals against


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Kurt R.: if colaiacovo plays 2/3 of the games and continues to play like he did he may be in the conversation to win it


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Al K: Honestly, I just don't want Berube to affect my ballot in any way.


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Kurt R.: grossmann had twice as many 5v5 points as macdonald hahahahahahahahaha i want to die


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Travis Hughes: that's probably a good place to wrap ... the flyers suck and all their defensemen are terrible and nicklas grossmann makes me want to jump off the ben franklin


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Al K: Well this whole exercize made me feel like I was picking the king of the Turd Ball