There’s a growing sentiment among Flyers fans that the team should trade Claude Giroux. Yeah, that’s a sentence that I just wrote. I can’t believe it either.
It’s to the point where fake rumors going around (oh my god, if one more person cites NHLTradeRumors.me I am going to blow a gasket) and people are actively talking about a possible deal on Twitter and Facebook and with their friends. I’ve had three friends message me about the possibility just in the last 36 hours.
This type of stuff is everywhere:
One more day for the Flyers to trade Giroux. Thank you for your time in Philly, but you gotta go before your trade value diminishes. #Peace— Dylan Ushler (@DylanUshler) February 28, 2017
For those saying the #Flyers shouldn't trade Giroux , look how quick Richards declined. Gotta get value while you still can— Matt Gaffney (@mgaffney542) February 28, 2017
@NHLFlyers @NHL trade giroux, voracek, simmonds and mason. Make neuvirth starter, bring up rookie/phantoms. Start over!— frank cornstalk jr (@frankcornstalkj) February 27, 2017
Surprised by poll results on https://t.co/N89Paeh5hK (4,331 voters): player #Flyers fans want traded the most is Giroux st 28.7 percent.— Sam Carchidi (@BroadStBull) February 28, 2017
Are we doing this? Are we really doing this? No, please stop.
Giroux is very productive!
Look -- it’s true that Giroux has been a disappointment this season. 12 goals and 31 assists in 61 games is not what we expect of the top player on the team. He’s been quiet. Way too dang quiet. But it’s not a reason to trade him.
Dating back to 2008, Giroux’s second year in the league, he ranks 15th among all NHL players in points per game. He’s ahead of Jonathan Toews, Zach Parise, Jeff Carter, Joe Pavelski and a bunch of other All-Star caliber players. He is very pretty.
NHL players ranked by points per game, 2008-today
|Rk||Player||Pts / Game||Team||Games||Goals||Assists||Points|
|Rk||Player||Pts / Game||Team||Games||Goals||Assists||Points|
|6||Martin St. Louis||1||TBL/NYR||526||183||345||528|
Please note that if you run this same report for 2013-14 until today, Giroux also ranks 15th. He’s productive! He was productive as recently as last season, too, when he scored 67 points in 78 games. That’s top line stuff in the NHL, and it does not grow on trees.
How do you replace the production?
You think the team has offensive struggles now? Imagine what they’d be without Giroux, who is a key driver of the power play and the first line center, even while he’s having a down year.
If you’re trading him, can you replace 70ish points of production a year? You obviously cannot come close to doing so with players on the current roster, even in a best case scenario where every single forward improves.
You’re largely depending on whatever the return would be in a trade to help mitigate the loss of a top line center and key power play guy. If you want to trade Giroux, you are not being honest with yourself about how rare these types of players are.
No-trade clause will impact any possible return
Giroux’s no-movement clause means that he needs to approve any trade. That’s going to severely limit the Flyers options, even if they are able to get a team to agree to an unbelievable return for him.
The kind of return Ron Hextall would need to pull off is something like the Flyers did with Jeff Carter and Mike Richards back in 2011. Given the position of the organization today, the Flyers would need to get some mix of draft picks, young NHL players with upside and top-end prospects. (You know, like Jake Voracek, the 8th overall pick and the 68th overall pick. Something like that.)
Unless you want to sit through five more years of mediocre-or-worse hockey, the Flyers would need to use a Giroux trade to re-tool on the fly, not outright rebuild. Just like 2011.
Getting that type of return is hard when you have all options open to you. If he doesn’t want to spend the next six years in Denver, Giroux’s not going to care that the Avalanche offered up Matt Duchene, eight years of first round picks, the deed to the Pepsi Center and a cache of unused 2001 Stanley Cup rings. The NMC makes any deal more difficult, and it will have a cooling effect on what the Flyers are able to get in return. It also impacts what another team is willing to give you because the risk of acquiring a player on a no-movement clause is obviously higher.
Even if you assume that the Flyers could get some sort of unreal return in a deal, you’re also assuming that it works out as well as the Carter and Richards trades worked out for the Flyers. Let’s not overlook the fact that those trades took an extreme amount of luck. We didn’t know Sean Couturier would be there with the pick that came over from Columbus, or that Wayne Simmonds would someday be All-Star MVP.
It’s more likely than not that a trade of Giroux fails to yield you a player of Giroux’s caliber. There’s just so much risk involved, and the downside of that risk is
This doesn’t mean we’re unconcerned about Giroux
We’ve called this season a “valley” and a “down year” for Giroux, but there is always the lingering possibility that at age 29, he’s on the downswing of his career. Part of the “Trade Giroux!” coalition seems to think that this team needs to get something for him before that downswing becomes really obvious.
His contract is rather large as we all know, and there are five more seasons on it after this one. If he’s in the midst of a precipitous decline, that’d be pretty terrible for the Flyers long term.
But while there has been a clear dip in his play — particularly this year — we’re unsure of the causes of that, or what it means for his future. It could be effects of Dave Hakstol’s coaching. It could just be a brief dip. It could turn out to be the first signs of decline, but one that doesn’t preclude him from remaining an effective player for five more seasons.
There are so many variables. The Flyers certainly should be monitoring the signs of Giroux’s decline, and they should be adjusting plans accordingly. But a trade right now, when the risk is so high and the return is uncertain? It’s not a good idea.
Claude Giroux is a very skilled, very good hockey player, and replacing him is more of a dice roll than any kind of certainty. You need to weigh legitimate risks about his decline with the improbability of replacing his talent in a trade. Unless of course you’re willing to watch five more years of terrible hockey.
I’m certainly not. The Flyers need to find other ways to improve their roster around Claude Giroux, not without him.